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OT : Kerosene space heaters
I have a "Master" Kerosene space heater and the other day I filled it with
diesel thinking it would be a lot cheaper. It worked for a while and then quite. The blowers still runs and it smells like a mist of diesel is being made but it does not ignite. First of all can these heaters burn diesel or strictly kerosene. (the smell is not an issue) Also what has gone wrong with the ignition system, I assume it is similar to a burner in a furnace or boiler. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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FWIW
I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time. Your breakdown was just a coincidence. Mine just needs a cleaning when this happens. Diesel has more heavy wax in it than kerosene, not as refined a grade. I use kerosene as an improved #1 diesel for extreme cold weather starting in the John Deere. Karl |
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So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot?
"Karl Townsend" wrote in message hlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time. Your breakdown was just a coincidence. Mine just needs a cleaning when this happens. Diesel has more heavy wax in it than kerosene, not as refined a grade. I use kerosene as an improved #1 diesel for extreme cold weather starting in the John Deere. Karl --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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I just removed the eye and "spark plug" and both look clean. There must be a
loose wire or something because when i bang it it works and then if a bang it again it stops, almost like the Fonze. Could it be anything other than a loose wire? "habbi" wrote in message ... So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot? "Karl Townsend" wrote in message hlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time. Your breakdown was just a coincidence. Mine just needs a cleaning when this happens. Diesel has more heavy wax in it than kerosene, not as refined a grade. I use kerosene as an improved #1 diesel for extreme cold weather starting in the John Deere. Karl --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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"habbi" wrote:
I just removed the eye and "spark plug" and both look clean. There must be a loose wire or something because when i bang it it works and then if a bang it again it stops, almost like the Fonze. Could it be anything other than a loose wire? "habbi" wrote in message ... So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot? "Karl Townsend" wrote in message hlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time (snip) I did not read the original post, but I just fixed my sputtering Lawnboy by replacing the O-ring in the jet. Runs GREAT now! |
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I have come to the conclusion that it must be a bad coil. The coil has 2
wires coming out of it and the lead for the spark plug. If I hook the 2 wires up to the black and white wires of 3 prong plug and the the green of the plug to the threaded portion of the spark plug and then the lead of the coil to the plug should the plug continously fire when pluged into a 110 volt outlet. "Ms. Manners" wrote in message ... "habbi" wrote: I just removed the eye and "spark plug" and both look clean. There must be a loose wire or something because when i bang it it works and then if a bang it again it stops, almost like the Fonze. Could it be anything other than a loose wire? "habbi" wrote in message ... So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot? "Karl Townsend" wrote in message hlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time (snip) I did not read the original post, but I just fixed my sputtering Lawnboy by replacing the O-ring in the jet. Runs GREAT now! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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OT : Kerosene space heaters
It should run just fine on #2 diesel. Use it in mine
exclusively. Clean the plug and blow out the nozzle. Also make sure the ignition TR works. JR Dweller in the cellar habbi wrote: I have a "Master" Kerosene space heater and the other day I filled it with diesel thinking it would be a lot cheaper. It worked for a while and then quite. The blowers still runs and it smells like a mist of diesel is being made but it does not ignite. First of all can these heaters burn diesel or strictly kerosene. (the smell is not an issue) Also what has gone wrong with the ignition system, I assume it is similar to a burner in a furnace or boiler. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 -- Remove X to reply -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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You need to ground the threaded part of the plug to the CASE of
the transformer. habbi wrote: I have come to the conclusion that it must be a bad coil. The coil has 2 wires coming out of it and the lead for the spark plug. If I hook the 2 wires up to the black and white wires of 3 prong plug and the the green of the plug to the threaded portion of the spark plug and then the lead of the coil to the plug should the plug continously fire when pluged into a 110 volt outlet. "Ms. Manners" wrote in message ... "habbi" wrote: I just removed the eye and "spark plug" and both look clean. There must be a loose wire or something because when i bang it it works and then if a bang it again it stops, almost like the Fonze. Could it be anything other than a loose wire? "habbi" wrote in message ... So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot? "Karl Townsend" wrote in message . earthlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time (snip) I did not read the original post, but I just fixed my sputtering Lawnboy by replacing the O-ring in the jet. Runs GREAT now! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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OT : Kerosene space heaters
I have a "Master" Kerosene space heater and the other day I filled it with
diesel thinking it would be a lot cheaper. It worked for a while and then quite. The blowers still runs and it smells like a mist of diesel is being made but it does not ignite. First of all can these heaters burn diesel or strictly kerosene. (the smell is not an issue) Also what has gone wrong with the ignition system, I assume it is similar to a burner in a furnace or boiler. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 Check the intake filter(screen) at the bottom of the tube, or actually inside the pickup tube - it could be covered with crud - also check the gap on the plug. It should fire and run fine. Ken. |
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The transformer is dead. A new one is over $100.00 and the 20 year old
heater is only around 300 new. So could I hook up and old AC 110 to DC 12 volt transformer from an old video game or something and connect it to an automotive ignition coil. Would the small plug in type transformer supply enough current for the automotive coil to opperate. Or what about using an old tranformer from a oil fired home heating boiler. I was told they have 2 leads of 5000 volts each and maybe I could just use 1 and get the needed 5000 volts? Thanks for any ideas. "Roy J" wrote in message ... You need to ground the threaded part of the plug to the CASE of the transformer. habbi wrote: I have come to the conclusion that it must be a bad coil. The coil has 2 wires coming out of it and the lead for the spark plug. If I hook the 2 wires up to the black and white wires of 3 prong plug and the the green of the plug to the threaded portion of the spark plug and then the lead of the coil to the plug should the plug continously fire when pluged into a 110 volt outlet. "Ms. Manners" wrote in message ... "habbi" wrote: I just removed the eye and "spark plug" and both look clean. There must be a loose wire or something because when i bang it it works and then if a bang it again it stops, almost like the Fonze. Could it be anything other than a loose wire? "habbi" wrote in message ... So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot? "Karl Townsend" wrote in message . earthlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time (snip) I did not read the original post, but I just fixed my sputtering Lawnboy by replacing the O-ring in the jet. Runs GREAT now! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:26:58 GMT, "habbi" wrote:
The transformer is dead. A new one is over $100.00 and the 20 year old heater is only around 300 new. So could I hook up and old AC 110 to DC 12 volt transformer from an old video game or something and connect it to an automotive ignition coil. Would the small plug in type transformer supply enough current for the automotive coil to opperate. Or what about using an old tranformer from a oil fired home heating boiler. I was told they have 2 leads of 5000 volts each and maybe I could just use 1 and get the needed 5000 volts? Thanks for any ideas. Feeding sinewave AC to an automotive coil will burn it out. It isn't designed for that. The output voltage would be disappointingly low in any case. The output voltage of the coil is proportional to di/dt, the rate of change of current, and a sinewave has a *much* smaller rate of change than a make and break switching waveform. A home heating oil transformer, or neon sign transformer, would produce the sort of voltage you need from mains AC. Gary |
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The transformer is dead. A new one is over $100.00 and the 20 year old
heater is only around 300 new. So could I hook up and old AC 110 to DC 12 volt transformer from an old video game or something and connect it to an automotive ignition coil. Would the small plug in type transformer supply enough current for the automotive coil to opperate. Or what about using an old tranformer from a oil fired home heating boiler. I was told they have 2 leads of 5000 volts each and maybe I could just use 1 and get the needed 5000 volts? Thanks for any ideas. "Roy J" wrote in message ... You need to ground the threaded part of the plug to the CASE of the transformer. habbi wrote: I have come to the conclusion that it must be a bad coil. The coil has 2 wires coming out of it and the lead for the spark plug. If I hook the 2 wires up to the black and white wires of 3 prong plug and the the green of the plug to the threaded portion of the spark plug and then the lead of the coil to the plug should the plug continously fire when pluged into a 110 volt outlet. "Ms. Manners" wrote in message ... "habbi" wrote: I just removed the eye and "spark plug" and both look clean. There must be a loose wire or something because when i bang it it works and then if a bang it again it stops, almost like the Fonze. Could it be anything other than a loose wire? "habbi" wrote in message ... So is it likely the eye or the electrodes are covered in soot? "Karl Townsend" wrote in message . earthlink.net... FWIW I use diesel in my torpedo heater all the time (snip) I did not read the original post, but I just fixed my sputtering Lawnboy by replacing the O-ring in the jet. Runs GREAT now! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 The old oil furnace transformer may work BUT I have a concern about the spark eating away the tips on the sparkplug - typically the oil furnace has a little more robust electrodes to handle the spark. Is there an electric eye that shuts off the transformer after ignition? If so, then you may be okay. Ken. |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:26:58 GMT, "habbi" wrote:
The transformer is dead. A new one is over $100.00 and the 20 year old heater is only around 300 new. So could I hook up and old AC 110 to DC 12 volt transformer from an old video game or something and connect it to an automotive ignition coil. Would the small plug in type transformer supply enough current for the automotive coil to opperate. Or what about using an old tranformer from a oil fired home heating boiler. I was told they have 2 leads of 5000 volts each and maybe I could just use 1 and get the needed 5000 volts? Thanks for any ideas. Feeding sinewave AC to an automotive coil will burn it out. It isn't designed for that. The output voltage would be disappointingly low in any case. The output voltage of the coil is proportional to di/dt, the rate of change of current, and a sinewave has a *much* smaller rate of change than a make and break switching waveform. A home heating oil transformer, or neon sign transformer, would produce the sort of voltage you need from mains AC. Gary Gary, he typed AC110 to DC12, but regardless, your point about the spark being weak may be valid. Ken. |
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Well I hooked up a 10,000 volt transformer from an oil fired boiler. I put a
big glob of silicone on one contact and ran my spark plug lead from the other one. I grounded the transformer to the body of the heater and everything is now working perfect. Ken Sterling wrote in message s.com... On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:26:58 GMT, "habbi" wrote: The transformer is dead. A new one is over $100.00 and the 20 year old heater is only around 300 new. So could I hook up and old AC 110 to DC 12 volt transformer from an old video game or something and connect it to an automotive ignition coil. Would the small plug in type transformer supply enough current for the automotive coil to opperate. Or what about using an old tranformer from a oil fired home heating boiler. I was told they have 2 leads of 5000 volts each and maybe I could just use 1 and get the needed 5000 volts? Thanks for any ideas. Feeding sinewave AC to an automotive coil will burn it out. It isn't designed for that. The output voltage would be disappointingly low in any case. The output voltage of the coil is proportional to di/dt, the rate of change of current, and a sinewave has a *much* smaller rate of change than a make and break switching waveform. A home heating oil transformer, or neon sign transformer, would produce the sort of voltage you need from mains AC. Gary Gary, he typed AC110 to DC12, but regardless, your point about the spark being weak may be valid. Ken. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/2003 |
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