Hi all,

Today I found something weird inside the vice of my power hacksaw. I've
noticed a rubber boot inside the vice before, which I thought protected
the screw thread from chips. But today a bit of the rubber cracked off,
and it didn't look much like rubber. It looked more like that peelable
plastic that is used to cover cutting tools, so I became curious and
pulled this item out from the vice:

http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~cdt22/weird_object.jpg

It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it
didn't affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it? To
me it looks like a fluteless thread forming tap, but it's double ended
and the threaded sections aren't tapered, so I'm puzzled. It's 5 1/2"
long, 1 1/8" diameter at the small end and 1 1/2" diameter at the large
end. Both screw threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on the
large end.

Any idea what it is?

Chris

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy wrote:

http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~cdt22/weird_object.jpg

It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it
didn't affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it?

Looks important, but I don't see any wear through the gunk to indicate
that it has recently been a part of something moving. ?

Both screw threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on the
large end.

Any idea what it is?

Well, it's a bidirectional T22 HF (RH), obviously. Now, you just have
to find out what it's _for_.

Dave Hinz

Christopher Tidy wrote:

Today I found something weird inside the vice of my power hacksaw.

For me, it looks like the screws you can put into the narrow end of MTs.
They are used to pull the MT in. You call it pull bar? So it's the pull
bar that goes onto one end of the thread, the other end is in the MT.

DIH?
Nick
--
Motor Modelle // Engine Models
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de

"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
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so I became curious and pulled this item out from the vice:

http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~cdt22/weird_object.jpg

Any idea what it is?

Clearly, it's a metal parasitic worm that had infected your machine.

I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod spent
looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it went....
lg
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"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
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Hi all,

Today I found something weird inside the vice of my power hacksaw. I've
noticed a rubber boot inside the vice before, which I thought protected
the screw thread from chips. But today a bit of the rubber cracked off,
and it didn't look much like rubber. It looked more like that peelable
plastic that is used to cover cutting tools, so I became curious and
pulled this item out from the vice:

http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~cdt22/weird_object.jpg

It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it didn't
affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it? To me it
looks like a fluteless thread forming tap, but it's double ended and the
threaded sections aren't tapered, so I'm puzzled. It's 5 1/2" long, 1 1/8"
diameter at the small end and 1 1/2" diameter at the large end. Both screw
threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on the large end.

Any idea what it is?

Chris

Christopher Tidy wrote in
:


It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it
didn't affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it?
To me it looks like a fluteless thread forming tap, but it's double
ended and the threaded sections aren't tapered, so I'm puzzled. It's 5
1/2" long, 1 1/8" diameter at the small end and 1 1/2" diameter at the
large end. Both screw threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on
the large end.

Any idea what it is?

Chris,
Is your vice the type with a swivel head? Is there a tapped hole in a
swivel on the back of it, and maybe one in a swivel on the fixed portion
directly behind the one in the moveable piece (or a place for one)?
Reason I asked, I have seen bandsaw/powerhack vices with one of these
type of deals to adjust/set the angle of the vice plate. (Most use a
bolt instead.)



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Anthony wrote:
Christopher Tidy wrote in
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It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it
didn't affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it?
To me it looks like a fluteless thread forming tap, but it's double
ended and the threaded sections aren't tapered, so I'm puzzled. It's 5
1/2" long, 1 1/8" diameter at the small end and 1 1/2" diameter at the
large end. Both screw threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on
the large end.

Any idea what it is?


Chris,
Is your vice the type with a swivel head? Is there a tapped hole in a
swivel on the back of it, and maybe one in a swivel on the fixed portion
directly behind the one in the moveable piece (or a place for one)?
Reason I asked, I have seen bandsaw/powerhack vices with one of these
type of deals to adjust/set the angle of the vice plate. (Most use a
bolt instead.)

Mine is a swivel vice, but it is the more common kind which uses a bolt
as you suggest. I'm doubtful that this is a component of the saw at all.

Best wishes,

Chris

Nick Müller wrote:
Christopher Tidy wrote:


Today I found something weird inside the vice of my power hacksaw.


For me, it looks like the screws you can put into the narrow end of MTs.
They are used to pull the MT in. You call it pull bar? So it's the pull
bar that goes onto one end of the thread, the other end is in the MT.

It could conceivably be part of a drawbar, but if so it belongs to a
huge machine. Something on the scale of the larger Cincinnati mills,
perhaps? Anyone recognise it?

Chris

Christopher Tidy wrote:

It could conceivably be part of a drawbar,

Drawbar, yes, that's what I meant. Sorry.

Nick
--
Motor Modelle // Engine Models
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de

larry g wrote:
I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod spent
looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it went....
lg

Probably not. The saw used to belong to GEC, so they probably just
bought another on company money. I'm not sure which division of GEC
owned the machine (I acquired it indirectly) but by location I'd guess
it was the steam turbines division. I guess it's possible that this is a
steam turbine part.

Chris

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy
wrote:

larry g wrote:
I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod spent
looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it went....
lg

Probably not. The saw used to belong to GEC, so they probably just
bought another on company money. I'm not sure which division of GEC
owned the machine (I acquired it indirectly) but by location I'd guess
it was the steam turbines division. I guess it's possible that this is a
steam turbine part.

Chris


Trafford Park, Rugby Willans Works or another site??

Mark Rand
RTFM

Mark Rand wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy
wrote:


larry g wrote:

I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod spent
looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it went....
lg

Probably not. The saw used to belong to GEC, so they probably just
bought another on company money. I'm not sure which division of GEC
owned the machine (I acquired it indirectly) but by location I'd guess
it was the steam turbines division. I guess it's possible that this is a
steam turbine part.

Chris



Trafford Park, Rugby Willans Works or another site??

Not certain, but I think it was Rugby. The machine has "GEC" stencilled
on the side, and I acquired it from a machinery dealer in Coventry, so
my assumption is that it came from the Rugby site. The dealer said
something about it being used by a GEC maintenance team, but I don't
remember anything more.

Chris

Just looks to me like a stud. Sometimes called a "bull" stud. Large end
could be for repairing stripped out stud hole or just for increased thread
strength in aluminum or other soft material.
Don Young

"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

Today I found something weird inside the vice of my power hacksaw. I've
noticed a rubber boot inside the vice before, which I thought protected
the screw thread from chips. But today a bit of the rubber cracked off,
and it didn't look much like rubber. It looked more like that peelable
plastic that is used to cover cutting tools, so I became curious and
pulled this item out from the vice:

http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~cdt22/weird_object.jpg

It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it didn't
affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it? To me it
looks like a fluteless thread forming tap, but it's double ended and the
threaded sections aren't tapered, so I'm puzzled. It's 5 1/2" long, 1 1/8"
diameter at the small end and 1 1/2" diameter at the large end. Both screw
threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on the large end.

Any idea what it is?

Chris

it actually looks like it came off some sort of heavy machinery ,simply
put just a bolt ,I used to work in a factory ad have seen studs ,smaller
but looked the same ,what I was told by the maintenance guys they are
used where high pressure is present the big end is where you would put
into the hole of the anchor point and the small one is where the plate
or whatever the piece that goes over it and the nut goes over the smal
end ,if you ever seen a stud when it pulls out ,it never pulls thru the
nut but the lowr mounting point ,thats the reason for it being bigger
gives more surface area to hold unto .
Probably what happened was someone was working on something had it out
to check tolerances on something left it on the bandsaw or set it down
"for just a second" and came back for it and someone else had or they
had knocked it off and probably landed in the machine instead of looking
for it they just got another ,and if you ever been in a bsy maintenance
shop ,they never would've heard it drop ,happens all the time ,but least
you got a nice little conversation piece and messing with people by
making up a humorous or unbelieveable story
have fun with your new trophy

It looks like a double ended stud to me, similiar to one like a car would
use to hold on the tire. VW entusiast often use ones with different sizes to
accomodate new rims on old hubs. Are there any hex sockets in the end muck?


"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
...
larry g wrote:
I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod
spent looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it
went....
lg

Probably not. The saw used to belong to GEC, so they probably just bought
another on company money. I'm not sure which division of GEC owned the
machine (I acquired it indirectly) but by location I'd guess it was the
steam turbines division. I guess it's possible that this is a steam
turbine part.

Chris

Smuggling in parts now are they ? Hiding stuff behind fake covers.... :-)


Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Christopher Tidy wrote:
Hi all,

Today I found something weird inside the vice of my power hacksaw. I've
noticed a rubber boot inside the vice before, which I thought protected
the screw thread from chips. But today a bit of the rubber cracked off,
and it didn't look much like rubber. It looked more like that peelable
plastic that is used to cover cutting tools, so I became curious and
pulled this item out from the vice:

http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~cdt22/weird_object.jpg

It was resting on top of the vice screw behind the fixed jaw, so it
didn't affect the operation of the vice. The question is, what is it? To
me it looks like a fluteless thread forming tap, but it's double ended
and the threaded sections aren't tapered, so I'm puzzled. It's 5 1/2"
long, 1 1/8" diameter at the small end and 1 1/2" diameter at the large
end. Both screw threads are right handed and it says "T22 HF" on the
large end.

Any idea what it is?

Chris


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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:11:43 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy
wrote:

Mark Rand wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy
wrote:


larry g wrote:

I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod spent
looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it went....
lg

Probably not. The saw used to belong to GEC, so they probably just
bought another on company money. I'm not sure which division of GEC
owned the machine (I acquired it indirectly) but by location I'd guess
it was the steam turbines division. I guess it's possible that this is a
steam turbine part.

Chris



Trafford Park, Rugby Willans Works or another site??

Not certain, but I think it was Rugby. The machine has "GEC" stencilled
on the side, and I acquired it from a machinery dealer in Coventry, so
my assumption is that it came from the Rugby site. The dealer said
something about it being used by a GEC maintenance team, but I don't
remember anything more.

Chris


I forgot to get back on this one :-(


We think that it was most likely to be a stud for holding a bearing pedestal
to a motor frame from the Medium Electrical Machines works at Rugby.


Mark Rand
RTFM

Mark Rand wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:11:43 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy
wrote:


Mark Rand wrote:

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy
wrote:



larry g wrote:


I have no idea what it is but can you imagine the hours some poor sod spent
looking for that item and to this day still doesn't know where it went....
lg

Probably not. The saw used to belong to GEC, so they probably just
bought another on company money. I'm not sure which division of GEC
owned the machine (I acquired it indirectly) but by location I'd guess
it was the steam turbines division. I guess it's possible that this is a
steam turbine part.

Chris



Trafford Park, Rugby Willans Works or another site??

Not certain, but I think it was Rugby. The machine has "GEC" stencilled
on the side, and I acquired it from a machinery dealer in Coventry, so
my assumption is that it came from the Rugby site. The dealer said
something about it being used by a GEC maintenance team, but I don't
remember anything more.

Chris



I forgot to get back on this one :-(


We think that it was most likely to be a stud for holding a bearing pedestal
to a motor frame from the Medium Electrical Machines works at Rugby.

Thanks for the reply. That's fascinating. Do you (or did you) used to
work at the Rugby site? Perhaps you even used this machine? It carries
the marking "GEC MS 1 WEIGHT 430 KG" if that means anything. I can dig
out a picture if you like. It's a small world...

Chris