Subject: another point of view For the people of New
Orleans... First we would like to say, Sorry for your
loss.

With that said, Lets go through a few hurricane
rules: (Unlike an earthquake, we know it's coming)

#1. A mandatory evacuation means just that... Get the
hell out. Don't blame the Government after they tell
you to go. If they hadn't said anything, I can see the
argument. They said get out... if you didn't, it's
your fault, not theirs. (We don't want to hear it,
even if you don't have a car, you can get out.)

#2. If there is an emergency, stock up on water and
non-perishables. If you didn't do this, it's not the
governments fault you're starving.

#2a. If you run out of food and water, find a store that
has some. (Remember, shoes, TV's, DVD's and CD's are
not edible. Leave them alone.)

#2b. If the local store is too looted of food or water,
leave your neighbor's TV and stereo alone. (See # 2a)
They worked hard to get their stuff. Just because they
were smart enough to leave during a mandatory
evacuation, doesn't give you the right to take their
stuff... it's theirs, not yours.

#3. If someone comes in to help you, don't shoot at them
and then complain no one is helping you. I'm not
getting shot to help save some dumb-ass who didn't
leave when told to do so.

#4. If you are in your house that is completely under
water, your belongings are probably too far gone for
anyone to want them. If someone does want them, Let
them have them and hopefully they'll die in the filth.
Just leave! (For Christ's sakes, it's New Orleans,
find a voodoo warrior and put a curse on them)

#5. My tax money should not pay to rebuild a 2 million
dollar house, a sports stadium or a floating casino.
Also, my tax money shouldn't go to rebuild a city that
is under sea level. You wouldn't build your house on
quicksand would you? You want to live below sea-level,
do your country some good and join the Navy.

#6. Regardless what the Poverty Pimps Jessie Jackson and
Al Sharpton want you to believe, The US Government
didn't create the Hurricane as a way to eradicate the
black people of New Orleans; (Neither did Russia as a
way to destroy America). The US Government didn't
cause global warming that caused the hurricane (We've
been coming out of an ice age for over a million
years).

#7. The government isn't responsible for giving you
anything. This is the land of the free and the home of
the brave, but you gotta work for what you want.
McDonalds and Walmart are always hiring, get a damn
job and stop spooning off the people who are actually
working for a living.

President Kennedy said it best... "Ask not what your
country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
country."


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

WAKE UP!!! This is a litigious, omni-victim society. There is no turning
back from that; most people will NOT take your type of advice. Actions have
no negative consequences anymore.



"Gunner" wrote in message
...
Subject: another point of view For the people of New
Orleans... First we would like to say, Sorry for your
loss.

With that said, Lets go through a few hurricane
rules: (Unlike an earthquake, we know it's coming)

#1. A mandatory evacuation means just that... Get the
hell out. Don't blame the Government after they tell
you to go. If they hadn't said anything, I can see the
argument. They said get out... if you didn't, it's
your fault, not theirs. (We don't want to hear it,
even if you don't have a car, you can get out.)

#2. If there is an emergency, stock up on water and
non-perishables. If you didn't do this, it's not the
governments fault you're starving.

#2a. If you run out of food and water, find a store that
has some. (Remember, shoes, TV's, DVD's and CD's are
not edible. Leave them alone.)

#2b. If the local store is too looted of food or water,
leave your neighbor's TV and stereo alone. (See # 2a)
They worked hard to get their stuff. Just because they
were smart enough to leave during a mandatory
evacuation, doesn't give you the right to take their
stuff... it's theirs, not yours.

#3. If someone comes in to help you, don't shoot at them
and then complain no one is helping you. I'm not
getting shot to help save some dumb-ass who didn't
leave when told to do so.

#4. If you are in your house that is completely under
water, your belongings are probably too far gone for
anyone to want them. If someone does want them, Let
them have them and hopefully they'll die in the filth.
Just leave! (For Christ's sakes, it's New Orleans,
find a voodoo warrior and put a curse on them)

#5. My tax money should not pay to rebuild a 2 million
dollar house, a sports stadium or a floating casino.
Also, my tax money shouldn't go to rebuild a city that
is under sea level. You wouldn't build your house on
quicksand would you? You want to live below sea-level,
do your country some good and join the Navy.

#6. Regardless what the Poverty Pimps Jessie Jackson and
Al Sharpton want you to believe, The US Government
didn't create the Hurricane as a way to eradicate the
black people of New Orleans; (Neither did Russia as a
way to destroy America). The US Government didn't
cause global warming that caused the hurricane (We've
been coming out of an ice age for over a million
years).

#7. The government isn't responsible for giving you
anything. This is the land of the free and the home of
the brave, but you gotta work for what you want.
McDonalds and Walmart are always hiring, get a damn
job and stop spooning off the people who are actually
working for a living.

President Kennedy said it best... "Ask not what your
country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
country."


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article , Gunner says...

#5. My tax money should not pay to rebuild a 2 million
dollar house, a sports stadium or a floating casino.
Also, my tax money shouldn't go to rebuild a city that
is under sea level.

5a) My tax money shouldn't go to bail out airlines that
can't seem to make any profit, but are constantly going
bankrupt and then blubbering and whining for the goobermint
to give them billions of dollars. New rule: you mismanage
your company, you go out of business and you don't get
your executive parachute. Your shareholder's stock becomes
worthless too.

#7. The government isn't responsible for giving you
anything.

See 5a) above. My tax dollars should not have to go to bail
out companies that just 'don't want to' pay their legal
obligations like pensions - see also the US PBGC fiasco.


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Gunner wrote:


#5. My tax money should not pay to rebuild a 2 million
dollar house, a sports stadium or a floating casino.
Also, my tax money shouldn't go to rebuild a city that
is under sea level. You wouldn't build your house on
quicksand would you? You want to live below sea-level,
do your country some good and join the Navy.

_Your_ tax money won't. It'll be your children (or nieces and nephews)
and mine who'll pay off the debt that our spend & borrow "Republican"
party is running up.

Democrats make me gag, but at least I don't have to put the party name
in quotes.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Well, we now know what it was about & why bush cut the
flood prevention programs off.

He'd heard that it would aid Dykes & Levys.

Rumsfeld told Bush that "Three Brazillian soldiers were killed in
Iraq" and Bush replied, "Oh my god, how many is a brazillion?"
--
Cliff

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:33:50 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

My tax money should not pay to rebuild a 2 million
dollar house, a sports stadium or a floating casino.

Tell that one to Lott, Bush & DeLay.

“On the heap of ruins will emerge a beautiful new home for Trent
Lott. And I am looking forward to sitting on his new veranda.”
- GW Bush
--
Cliff

Gunner wrote:
snip
(We've
been coming out of an ice age for over a million
years).
snip
Gunner

I thought it was in the range of 30K to 50K yrs. ago.
...lew...

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:47:12 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
snip
(We've
been coming out of an ice age for over a million
years).
snip
Gunner

I thought it was in the range of 30K to 50K yrs. ago.
...lew...

Normal counting numbers probably confuse Gunner
after just one hand g.
--
Cliff

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..
WAKE UP!!! This is a litigious, omni-victim society. There is no turning
back from that; most people will NOT take your type of advice. Actions
have
no negative consequences anymore.


Right! and as evidence to back up your statement just look at how the people
of New Orleans who stayed behind have benefited. Staying behind really paid
off for them didn't it? Staying behind was one big mistake, and look, it
didn't cost them a thing, huh. Man, who are you kidding?

Hawke

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:33:50 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth:

Subject: another point of view For the people of New
Orleans... First we would like to say, Sorry for your
loss.

With that said, Lets go through a few hurricane
rules: (Unlike an earthquake, we know it's coming)
--snip--

Bravo! I wish there was an attribution on that one.


--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..
WAKE UP!!! This is a litigious, omni-victim society. There is no
turning
back from that; most people will NOT take your type of advice. Actions
have
no negative consequences anymore.


Right! and as evidence to back up your statement just look at how the
people
of New Orleans who stayed behind have benefited. Staying behind really
paid
off for them didn't it? Staying behind was one big mistake, and look, it
didn't cost them a thing, huh. Man, who are you kidding?

Hawke

You are arguing from the general to the specific which is against the laws
of logic. Eg. "I saw a green car today, it was a Ford...therefore all green
cars are Fords."

As far as the people of NO; one analogy I could use is: I go on fly-in
fishing trips. I pack enough extra supplies knowing that the plane could be
days late (they have been) coming to pick me up. If I didn't, I could
suffer great discomfort and hunger and thirst. If I lived below sea-level
in a hurricane zone, I would prepare accordingly. I don't live in a
disaster prone area yet I have stored water, food, batteries and other
emergency supplies and multiple egress plans. I pity the people of NO but
face it...they are stupid victims. (We gave $500 to SA...how about you?
Can you prove it? Usually the whiners do nothing but whine.)

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:47:12 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Lew
Hartswick quickly quoth:

Gunner wrote:
snip
(We've
been coming out of an ice age for over a million
years).
snip
Gunner

I thought it was in the range of 30K to 50K yrs. ago.
...lew...

If everyone would read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear", they'd all
learn more about the fallacies and hype around things like Global
Warming(TM environmentalists) and other such things.

Besides being an excellent book of fiction (which is rife with facts)
it's a timely wake-up call to the 90% of us (who are not mindless
environmentalist drones) whose lives and bank accounts are being
twisted around by them.


--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown

Gunner wrote:

#1. A mandatory evacuation means just that... Get the
hell out. Don't blame the Government after they tell
you to go. If they hadn't said anything, I can see the
argument. They said get out... if you didn't, it's
your fault, not theirs. (We don't want to hear it,
even if you don't have a car, you can get out.)


I'm a little surprised, Gunner, that you didn't add to #1 "Or stay.
It's your choice. If you do, though, accept that you're on your own
and don't expect anyone to bail you oiut."

I rather expect that that's what you'd have done, no? You don't stay
if you're downwind of a dam that's about to go. But a hurricane is
something that, unless you're in a really bad spot, you should be able
to get through.

Written by someone who hasn't been through a hurricane in years...

John Martin

"John Martin" wrote in message
ups.com...

Gunner wrote:

#1. A mandatory evacuation means just that... Get the
hell out. Don't blame the Government after they tell
you to go. If they hadn't said anything, I can see the
argument. They said get out... if you didn't, it's
your fault, not theirs. (We don't want to hear it,
even if you don't have a car, you can get out.)


I'm a little surprised, Gunner, that you didn't add to #1 "Or stay.
It's your choice. If you do, though, accept that you're on your own
and don't expect anyone to bail you oiut."

I rather expect that that's what you'd have done, no? You don't stay
if you're downwind of a dam that's about to go. But a hurricane is
something that, unless you're in a really bad spot, you should be able
to get through.

Written by someone who hasn't been through a hurricane in years...

John Martin


When Rita was still in the Gulf, the Authorities here ordered a Mandatory
Evacuation.

After watching, and evaluating for myself, the path of the storm, I elected
to stay put even though we'd already prepared to evacuate. [The 37'
Fifth-wheel was already loaded with food, water, clothing, and gas for the
generator, and hitched to my fully-fuelled truck that, itself, already
loaded with additional fuel for itself (and the generator) and most of my
portable tools.]

As it was, the closest that the outer rain squalls came to us was 10 miles
away.

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:24:30 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

If I lived below sea-level
in a hurricane zone, I would prepare accordingly.

Not everyone can afford deep bunkers.
--
Cliff

On 7 Oct 2005 07:23:33 -0700, "John Martin"
wrote:

I'm a little surprised, Gunner, that you didn't add to #1 "Or stay.
It's your choice. If you do, though, accept that you're on your own
and don't expect anyone to bail you oiut."

His guns would have protected him in his bunker.
--
Cliff

Right! and as evidence to back up your statement just look at how the
people
of New Orleans who stayed behind have benefited. Staying behind really
paid
off for them didn't it? Staying behind was one big mistake, and look, it
didn't cost them a thing, huh. Man, who are you kidding?

Hawke

You are arguing from the general to the specific which is against the laws
of logic. Eg. "I saw a green car today, it was a Ford...therefore all
green
cars are Fords."

Actually, I am refuting your assertion that there are no consequences to bad
behavior. I simply observed that the people of N.O. who did the wrong thing
had to pay the consequences for their actions, and the price was a high one.
I think that was a pretty fair refuting of your claim.

As far as the people of NO; one analogy I could use is: I go on fly-in
fishing trips. I pack enough extra supplies knowing that the plane could
be
days late (they have been) coming to pick me up. If I didn't, I could
suffer great discomfort and hunger and thirst. If I lived below sea-level
in a hurricane zone, I would prepare accordingly. I don't live in a
disaster prone area yet I have stored water, food, batteries and other
emergency supplies and multiple egress plans. I pity the people of NO but
face it...they are stupid victims. (We gave $500 to SA...how about you?
Can you prove it? Usually the whiners do nothing but whine.)


That's nice that you contributed to help the unfortunate. But again your
analogy to your fly fishing trip is not a good one. You choose to take the
trip and have the resources to prepare for any eventuality. That's hardly
the situation the poor in N.O. faced is it? They knew only that a storm was
coming and they were told to leave. If they had your resources and brains
they would have acted differently, but they didn't. Accordingly, they acted
as you would expect them too. Many cattle and other livestock were killed
too. Expecting them to have taken steps to avoid their demise is not much
different than what you expected from the lowest class in L.A. You can't
blame people for being stupid any more than you can blame them for being
short. You need to develop more understanding of the less fortunate.

Hawke

That's nice that you contributed to help the unfortunate. But again your
analogy to your fly fishing trip is not a good one. You choose to take the
trip and have the resources to prepare for any eventuality. That's hardly
the situation the poor in N.O. faced is it? They knew only that a storm was
coming and they were told to leave. If they had your resources and brains
they would have acted differently, but they didn't.

You can bet all those people had televisions.
Everyone in the country watched that monster moving toward the
coastline for a week. It's size was breathtaking, the weathercasters
were in Red Alert Rhetoric mode. Even Helen Keller would have been aware
of it.

Accordingly, they acted
as you would expect them too. Many cattle and other livestock were killed
too. Expecting them to have taken steps to avoid their demise is not much
different than what you expected from the lowest class in L.A.


The poor are equivalent to cattle?

You can't
blame people for being stupid any more than you can blame them for being
short. You need to develop more understanding of the less fortunate.

I understand that people who embrace Darwin's Theory of Evolution can't
seem to grasp his "survival of the fittest" corrolary.

I didn't see a line at the highway wanting out.
Naturally they got bad vibes from the various local governments - not school buses - only first class.
There went a day or two. It would not matter to me one way or the other.
In fact, most of our kids at one time or another went on a band trip or football trip .....track...
the same distance or more by school bus.

In fact, one young man stole a school bus and drove it to pick up and take out
some people.

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



John Martin wrote:
Gunner wrote:

#1. A mandatory evacuation means just that... Get the
hell out. Don't blame the Government after they tell
you to go. If they hadn't said anything, I can see the
argument. They said get out... if you didn't, it's
your fault, not theirs. (We don't want to hear it,
even if you don't have a car, you can get out.)



I'm a little surprised, Gunner, that you didn't add to #1 "Or stay.
It's your choice. If you do, though, accept that you're on your own
and don't expect anyone to bail you oiut."

I rather expect that that's what you'd have done, no? You don't stay
if you're downwind of a dam that's about to go. But a hurricane is
something that, unless you're in a really bad spot, you should be able
to get through.

Written by someone who hasn't been through a hurricane in years...

John Martin


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In article , Martin H. Eastburn
says...

I didn't see a line at the highway wanting out.
.....

Unless you were in texas! LOL. They're darned if they
do and darned if they don't.

In fact, one young man stole a school bus and drove it to pick up and take out
some people.

That's right, that was the first bus full of evacuees that showed up
in texas. I thought that was a great story. Those busses were just
gonna float away anyhow, might as try learning how to drive one.

Jim


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That's nice that you contributed to help the unfortunate. But again your
analogy to your fly fishing trip is not a good one. You choose to take the
trip and have the resources to prepare for any eventuality. That's hardly
the situation the poor in N.O. faced is it? They knew only that a storm
was
coming and they were told to leave. If they had your resources and brains
they would have acted differently, but they didn't. Accordingly, they
acted
as you would expect them too. Many cattle and other livestock were killed
too. Expecting them to have taken steps to avoid their demise is not much
different than what you expected from the lowest class in L.A. You can't
blame people for being stupid any more than you can blame them for being
short. You need to develop more understanding of the less fortunate.

Hawke


Good point!

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:23:30 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

In fact, one young man stole a school bus and drove it to pick up and take out
some people.

They probably had better odds sitting it out in a shelter or
at home (if only flooding was the consideration).
Consider that he people there knew the area ... would
you ask 100,000 of them to trust their lives on
stloen busses driven by panicked teenagers that steal
things (like cars & busses .... it had to be hotwired)
for fun & profit?

BTW, Did you see what the storm did to I-10 Eastbound?
Imagine that teenager with a busload at 100 MPH ..... multiplied
by many hundreds of buses full ....

Probably they need more & better shelters with suppiles ....
FEMA had lots of time to bring in supplies in advance .... too bad it
was not someplace near Waco ....
--
Cliff

"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:23:30 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

In fact, one young man stole a school bus and drove it to pick up and
take out
some people.

They probably had better odds sitting it out in a shelter or
at home (if only flooding was the consideration).
Consider that he people there knew the area ... would
you ask 100,000 of them to trust their lives on
stloen busses driven by panicked teenagers that steal
things (like cars & busses .... it had to be hotwired)
for fun & profit?

Not only that, did you see the condition of the people left behind? They all
seemed to be old, sick, 100 lbs. overweight, and generally in such bad
physical condition there was no way for many of them to move at all, let
along travel to parts unknown. This was a case of the most "unfit" having to
perform. They couldn't. Why am I not surprised?

Hawke

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:14:24 -0400, Cliff wrote:


BTW, Did you see what the storm did to I-10 Eastbound?

Or was that US 90? Or both?
--
Cliff

Gunner wrote in article
...
#7. The government isn't responsible for giving you
anything. This is the land of the free and the home of
the brave, but you gotta work for what you want.
McDonalds and Walmart are always hiring, get a damn
job and stop spooning off the people who are actually
working for a living.


#7A. Speaking of Mickey D and Wally World, my father's generation of WW 2
vets had trouble making a living and being able to buy a house working for
40 hours at what most blue-collar jobs paid in the post-war era.

Did they demand that the government force employees to pay more money than
their jobs were actually worth?

No!

They simply worked 60, 70, and 80-plus hour weeks, often seven days per
week at two and three jobs.

Why not get a full-time job at Mickey D, and a part-time position at Wally
World?????

60 hours per week at $7.50 per hour is $23,400 per year.....raising you
above the poverty level, and giving you some jingle in your pocket....

When I was a kid - in the early '60s - I worked 60 hours per week in a gas
station for $75.00 take home....

I now own my own home with seven more monthly payments to full ownership,
several cars, and a shop full of tools and equipment - the most expensive
hobby shop in the neighborhood..

But, Jesse and Al will try to convince you that it is, somehow, un-American
to work long-and-hard towards a goal....

In article , Rex B
wrote:

The poor are equivalent to cattle?

No, they taste terrible when grilled

--
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In article ,
Nick Hull wrote:

In article , Rex B
wrote:

The poor are equivalent to cattle?

No, they taste terrible when grilled

Not even as good as poorly cooked mutton. It's all that aspartame,
saccharin, Canadian cyclamates, and Mexican spices they eat. Getting
difficult to find one with enough fat for flavor, at least among the
"health-conscious" ones.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:03:16 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Nick
Hull quickly quoth:

In article , Rex B
wrote:

The poor are equivalent to cattle?

No, they taste terrible when grilled

Hey, you forgot to skin 'em first. (Or so I hear.)

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:54:04 -0500, "*" wrote:

When I was a kid - in the early '60s - I worked 60 hours per week in a gas
station for $75.00 take home....

Moral: Buy a gas station.
--
Cliff

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 16:54:04 -0500, "*" wrote:

60 hours per week at $7.50 per hour is $23,400 per year.....

And they even used to pay overtime ...

raising you above the poverty level,

Really? With how large a family living where?

and giving you some jingle in your pocket....

At home with your parents, right?
--
Cliff

In article
,
John Husvar wrote:

In article ,
Nick Hull wrote:

In article , Rex B
wrote:

The poor are equivalent to cattle?

No, they taste terrible when grilled

Not even as good as poorly cooked mutton. It's all that aspartame,
saccharin, Canadian cyclamates, and Mexican spices they eat. Getting
difficult to find one with enough fat for flavor, at least among the
"health-conscious" ones.

I find lots of obese ones but I'm on a low fat diet

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