"Voter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:01:25 -0800, Dana wrote:

"styron" wrote in message
news
Pookie:

Northern Command oversees all active-duty military operations inside
the
United States - it's also responsible for organizing the military
relief
operations on the Gulf Coast

The soon to be silenced NorthCom Lt. Commander Sean Kelly's take:

"Northcom started planning before the storm even hit. We were
ready
when it hit Florida, because, as you remember, it hit the bottom part
of
Florida, and then we were planning once it was pointed towards the Gulf
Coast.

"So, what we did, we activated what we call 'defense coordinating
officers' to work with the states to say, 'OK, what do you think you
will need?' And we set up staging bases that could be started.

"We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once
the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be
available almost immediately So, we had things ready.

"The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president
authorizes
us to do so.

And the president has to wait for the governor. She rejected his offer
to
federalize the relief effort, hence he could do nothing.

Wrong. Bush has to wait for no one. Besides, Blanco did ask on Aug 26th:

The President
The White House
Washington, D. C.

Through:
Regional Director
FEMA Region VI
800 North Loop 288
Denton, Texas 76209

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster
Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. ?? 5121-5206 (Stafford
Act),
and implemented by 44 CFR ? 206.35, I request that you declare an
emergency
for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period
beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing...

...I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives
and protect property.

..Pursuant to 44 CFR ? 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of
such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the
capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that
supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect
property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a
disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures,
direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP)
assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal...



Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act

UNITED STATES CODE
Title 42. THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
CHAPTER 68. DISASTER RELIEF

? 5121. CONGRESSIONAL FINDINGS AND DECLARATIONS {Sec. 101}

1. The Congress hereby finds and declares that--

1. because disasters often cause loss of life, human suffering,
loss of income, and property loss and damage; and
2. because disasters often disrupt the normal functioning of
governments and communities, and adversely affect individuals and families
with great severity;

special measures, designed to assist the efforts of the affected
States in expediting the rendering of aid, assistance, and emergency
services, and the reconstruction and rehabilitation of devastated areas,
are necessary.

2. It is the intent of the Congress, by this Act, to provide an orderly
and continuing means of assistance by the Federal Government to State and
local governments in carrying out their responsibilities to alleviate the
suffering and damage which result from such disasters by--..."

?5122. DEFINITIONS {Sec. 102}

As used in this chapter--

1. EMERGENCY. "Emergency" means any occasion or instance for which, in
the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to
supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to
protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the
threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.

2. MAJOR DISASTER. "Major disaster" means any natural catastrophe
(including any hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, winddriven water,
tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide,
snowstorm, or drought), or, regardless of cause, any fire, flood, or
explosion, in any part of the United States, which in the determination of
the President causes damage of sufficient severity and magnitude to
warrant
major disaster assistance under this Act to supplement the efforts and
available resources of States, local governments, and disaster relief
organizations in alleviating the damage, loss, hardship, or suffering
caused thereby...

? 5143. COORDINATING OFFICERS {Sec. 302}

1. Appointment of Federal coordinating officer

Immediately upon his declaration of a major disaster or emergency,
the President shall appoint a Federal coordinating officer to operate in
the affected area.

2. Functions of Federal coordinating officer

In order to effectuate the purposes of this Act, the Federal
coordinating officer, within the affected area, shall--

1. make an initial appraisal of the types of relief most urgently
needed;
2. establish such field offices as he deems necessary and as are
authorized by the President;
3. coordinate the administration of relief, including activities
of the State and local governments, the American National Red Cross, the
Salvation Army, the Mennonite Disaster Service, and other relief or
disaster assistance organizations, which agree to operate under his advice
or direction, except that nothing contained in this Act shall limit or in
any way affect the responsibilities of the American National Red Cross
under the Act of January 5, 1905, as amended (33 Stat. 599) [36 U.S.C. ??
1
et seq.]; and;
4. take such other action, consistent with authority delegated to
him by the President, and consistent with the provisions of this Act, as
he
may deem necessary to assist local citizens and public officials in
promptly obtaining assistance to which they are entitled.;
5. State coordinating officer When the President determines
assistance under this Act is necessary, he shall request that the Governor
of the affected State designate a State coordinating officer for the
purpose of coordinating State and local disaster assistance efforts with
those of the Federal Government...

Don't Blame Bush for Katrina
Christopher Ruddy
Monday, Sept. 5, 2005
George Bush and the federal government are not to blame for the disaster we
have witnessed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, the primary responsibility for the disaster response lies with New
Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco and other local
officials.


Yet leading Democrats and their allies in the major media are clearly using
this disaster for political purposes and ignoring one obvious fact.



This fact - which needs to be repeated and remembered - is that in our
country, state and local governments have primary responsibility in dealing
with local disasters.


The founding fathers devised a federal system of government - one that has
served us remarkably well through great disasters that have befallen America
over more than two centuries.


But if we believe the major TV networks, George Bush, FEMA and the
Republicans in Congress are all to blame for the current nightmare.


Let's remember that FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was
created only in 1979. It was formed to coordinate and focus federal response
to major disasters - to "assist" local and state governments.


Common sense suggests that local and state governments are best able to
prepare and plan for local disasters.


Is a Washington bureaucrat better suited to prepare for an earthquake in San
Francisco, a hurricane in Florida, or a terrorist act in New York?


After the Sept. 11 attacks against the World Trade Center, no one suggested
that the Bush administration should have been responsible for New York's
disaster response or that federal agents should have been involved in the
rescue of those trapped in the buildings.


Last year, four major hurricanes slammed into Florida. Governor Jeb Bush led
the disaster response and did a remarkable job, with nothing happening like
what we have seen in New Orleans.


The primary response in disasters has always come from local communities and
state governments.


First responders and the manpower to deal with emergencies come from local
communities: police, fire and medical. Under our federal system, these local
departments answer to local authorities, not those in Washington. These
first responders are not even under federal control, nor do they have to
follow federal orders.


In addition to local responders, every state in the Union has a National
Guard.


State National Guards answer first to the governor of each state, not to the
president. The National Guard exists not to defend one state from an
invasion by another state, but primarily for emergencies like the one we
have witnessed in New Orleans and in other areas impacted by Katrina. (See:
http://www.arng.army.mil/about_us/or..._structure.asp)



Tim Russert and the Blame Game


The media would have you believe that this disaster was worsened by a slow
response from President Bush and his administration, though the primary
responsibility for disaster response has always been with local and state
governments.


It is true that federal response was not as fast as it could have been. The
president himself has acknowledged that fact.


But the press has focused on the first 48 hours of federal response, not
uttering a word about the fact that New Orleans had 48 hours of warning that
a major Category 4 or 5 would make landfall near the city, yet local
officials apparently did little to prepare.

Obviously, Gov. Blanco did not effectively deploy her state's National
Guard.

And New Orleans' city leaders did almost nothing to evacuate the portion of
the population with no transportation. In failing to follow their own
evacuation plan, these officials did little to pre-position food, water and
personnel to deal with the aftermath.


I was surprised Sunday to watch Tim Russert, on his show "Meet the Press,"
tear into Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff. During his encounter
with Chertoff, Russert did not suggest once that local government had any
role in dealing with the disaster. Russert also asked for Chertoff's
resignation.


It wasn't until after the first 29 minutes of his show - 29 minutes - that
Russert raised the question of local responsibility. And when he did so with
Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard, he did so in a passing way.
Broussard brushed off his question with a non-answer.


Broussard began his interview claiming that the nation had "abandoned" New
Orleans.


That is nonsense and a lie.


Broussard, who was never identified by "Meet the Press" as a Democrat, spent
much of his time attacking the Bush administration, as has Democratic New
Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.


Broussard then ended his performance as he collapsed in tears with a demand:
"For God's sake, just shut up and send us somebody!"


His tears didn't wash with me. My sympathies lie with the tens of thousands
of people who have suffered or died because local officials like Broussard,
Mayor Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco, also a Democrat, failed
monumentally at their jobs.


As former New Orleans Mayor Marc Morial told Russert, the disaster in New
Orleans was "foreseeable."


In fact, New Orleans has long known that such a disaster could take place if
a major hurricane hit the city.


The municipality even prepared its own "City of New Orleans Comprehensive
Emergency Management Plan."


The plan makes it evident that New Orleans knew that evacuation of the
civilian population was the primary responsibility of the city - not the
federal government.


The city plan acknowledges its responsibility in the document:


As established by the City of New Orleans Charter, the government has
jurisdiction and responsibility in disaster response. City government shall
coordinate its efforts through the Office of Emergency Preparedness.


The city document also makes clear that decisions involving a proper and
orderly evacuation lie with the governor, mayor and local authorities.
Nowhere is the president or federal government even mentioned:



The authority to order the evacuation of residents threatened by an
approaching hurricane is conferred to the Governor by Louisiana Statute. The
Governor is granted the power to direct and compel the evacuation of all or
part of the population from a stricken or threatened area within the State,
if he deems this action necessary for the preservation of life or other
disaster mitigation, response or recovery. The same power to order an
evacuation conferred upon the Governor is also delegated to each political
subdivision of the State by Executive Order. This authority empowers the
chief elected official of New Orleans, the Mayor of New Orleans, to order
the evacuation of the parish residents threatened by an approaching
hurricane.



It is clear the city also recognized that it would need to move large
portions of its population, and it would need to prepare for such an
eventuality:


The City of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and
safely evacuate threatened areas. Those evacuated will be directed to
temporary sheltering and feeding facilities as needed. When specific routes
of progress are required, evacuees will be directed to those routes. Special
arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves
or who require specific life saving assistance. Additional personnel will be
recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed. ...

Evacuation procedures for small scale and localized evacuations are
conducted per the SOPs of the New Orleans Fire Department and the New
Orleans Police Department. However, due to the sheer size and number of
persons to be evacuated, should a major tropical weather system or other
catastrophic event threaten or impact the area, specifically directed long
range planning and coordination of resources and responsibilities efforts
must be undertaken. [You can read New Orleans' Emergency Plan for hurricanes
at its Web site: http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26]


The city's plan also specifically called for the use of city-owned buses and
school buses to evacuate the population. These were apparently never
deployed, though the Parish of Plaquemines just south of the city evacuated
its population using school buses.


The plan, written well before Katrina was even a teardrop in God's eye, was
obviously never heeded or implemented by local leaders.


But why should the New Orleans mayor and Governor Blanco take responsibility
when they can blame George Bush and the Republicans in Washington?


With congressional elections fast approaching, Democrats who are out of
power in every branch of the federal government know they need to change the
tide quickly.


They have apparently seized on the Katrina disaster to harm the president
politically.


Criticism of the federal government's response is fair and warranted. But
putting full responsibility for this disaster on the Bush administration is
way over the top.

Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


http://newsmax.com/archives/articles...4/151327.shtml

"Pookie" wrote in message
...


Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


http://newsmax.com/archives/articles...4/151327.shtml


Well, Newsmax will tip you off to the kind of spin here.


Hey Pookie, why do we even have a FEMA? If it's a local problem, then let's
disband FEMA and save money. Let's disband the Dept. of Homeland Security
too. They offered no security. Another thing we can save money on.

It is blatantly obvious to me that NOBODY had a PLAN.

When you have a community that is below sea level, 'protected' by
levies and in an area that history demonstrates is likely to have to
deal with hurricanes and severe storms, WHY WAS THERE NO PLAN.

How could the city, the state OR the federal government, react quickly
when they DID NOT HAVE A PLAN?

Lewis.

*****************

What makes you think Katrina was a local disaster?
Local governments are fine for local disasters. Think fire, river flood,
explosion.
The federal government set itself up for the biggies. Like walls of water
and hundreds of thousands of displaced evacuees and thousands trapped
because they were too poor or too old or sick to get out of the way.

From the FEMA web pages:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that
became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is
tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating
against disasters.

Pookie is just singing the "it's not my fault song" so popular in
Washington.

Face up to it. The federal government with all its resources stood around
playing with themselves while people died, but it wasn't their fault. The
governor of Louisiana should have had more National Guard troops to take
control. Where were they? In Iraq. who sent them there. The idiots that
Pookie thinks so highly of.
More than enough said.

(end of rant)

Charlie

"Pookie" wrote in message
...

diatribe snipped

"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
What makes you think Katrina was a local disaster?
Local governments are fine for local disasters. Think fire, river flood,
explosion.
The federal government set itself up for the biggies.

Relying on FEMA or any part of the federal government for a disaster such as
this is foolish. How is some guy 1085.6 miles away going to better handle a
situation than those at ground zero?

It's typical liberal thinking that believes the federal government is the
answer to all our problems.

People need to get off their lazy asses and take care of themselves.

Pagan

"Raid" wrote in message
...
GOD is to blame for the Hurricane!!

How can that be? This country has pretty much done away with Him.

Pagan

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:50:27 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:


"Pookie" wrote in message
...


Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


http://newsmax.com/archives/articles...4/151327.shtml


Well, Newsmax will tip you off to the kind of spin here.


Hey Pookie, why do we even have a FEMA? If it's a local problem, then
let's
disband FEMA and save money. Let's disband the Dept. of Homeland
Security
too. They offered no security. Another thing we can save money on.

"Pagan" wrote in message
...
"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
What makes you think Katrina was a local disaster?
Local governments are fine for local disasters. Think fire, river flood,
explosion.
The federal government set itself up for the biggies.

Relying on FEMA or any part of the federal government for a disaster such
as
this is foolish. How is some guy 1085.6 miles away going to better handle
a
situation than those at ground zero?

It's typical liberal thinking that believes the federal government is the
answer to all our problems.

People need to get off their lazy asses and take care of themselves.

Pagan

No ****! Those lazy asses sat around at the NO convention center waiting
for someone to save them. Why didn't they get off their asses and try to
help themselves? They could have at least picked up the trash and tried to
help each other.

"Pagan" wrote in message
...
"Raid" wrote in message
...
GOD is to blame for the Hurricane!!

How can that be? This country has pretty much done away with Him.

On the contrary, we will be learning all about him in our public schools
soon.


Pagan

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:50:27 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:


"Pookie" wrote in message
...


Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


http://newsmax.com/archives/articles...4/151327.shtml


Well, Newsmax will tip you off to the kind of spin here.


Hey Pookie, why do we even have a FEMA? If it's a local problem, then
let's
disband FEMA and save money. Let's disband the Dept. of Homeland
Security
too. They offered no security. Another thing we can save money on.

"Pagan" wrote in message
...
"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
What makes you think Katrina was a local disaster?
Local governments are fine for local disasters. Think fire, river flood,
explosion.
The federal government set itself up for the biggies.

Relying on FEMA or any part of the federal government for a disaster such
as
this is foolish. How is some guy 1085.6 miles away going to better handle
a
situation than those at ground zero?

Because the guy at ground zero doesn't have the same resources available as
that guy 1085.6 miles away.


It's typical liberal thinking that believes the federal government is the
answer to all our problems.

People need to get off their lazy asses and take care of themselves.

Pagan

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

In article .com, "Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats? You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news
In article .com,
"Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats? You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

"Pagan" wrote in message
...
"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
What makes you think Katrina was a local disaster?
Local governments are fine for local disasters. Think fire, river flood,
explosion.
The federal government set itself up for the biggies.

Relying on FEMA or any part of the federal government for a disaster such
as
this is foolish. How is some guy 1085.6 miles away going to better handle
a
situation than those at ground zero?

It's typical liberal thinking that believes the federal government is the
answer to all our problems.

People need to get off their lazy asses and take care of themselves.

Pagan

I hope you have your garden hose ready when your fire department can't
respond in time.

In article , "FDR" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news
In article .com,
"Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats? You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:23:19 -0400, Its da jackeeettt wrote:

Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

You're a complete and utter ****ing moron. - Absolute truth.

--
My newsreader auto-deletes all posts that originate from Google Groups.
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

Its da jackeeettt wrote:
Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

He's responsible for the hurricanes and the tsunami too.
He's GOD!
But now he's getting bored with mundane pastimes, so he's been examining
newsgroups.

Guess what!
He's discovered YOU!
The fun will begin shortly.



--
If you find a posting or message from myself offensive,
inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know
how to ignore a posting,complain to me and I will demonstrate.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.. .
In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news
In article .com,
"Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats?
You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

They did do something about it. They got a plan started to upgrade the
levees.




--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , "FDR" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news In article .com,
"Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats?
You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

They did do something about it. They got a plan started to upgrade the
levees.

But that plan has been there since the _Johnson_ administration. How is it now
_Bush's_ fault that the plan was not implemented?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:17 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

Yea, just couldn't figure out how Bush could be responsible for
something cause by God. The people in Louisiana voted for
Democrats Governor, Senators and Mayor.They should either
pray or next time around vote for Republicans and none of these
would have happened. The people in Florida are smart, they voted
for another Bush and see how they were blessed last year when
they were hits by 3 or 4 hurricanes?

Florida's response to hurricanes seems to have been much better coordinated
than Louisiana's. Could it be that Florida's governor is more competent than
Louisiana's?

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Can't imagine what you think the President had to do with it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news In article .com,
"Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local
officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats?
You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

They did do something about it. They got a plan started to upgrade the
levees.

But that plan has been there since the _Johnson_ administration. How is it
now
_Bush's_ fault that the plan was not implemented?

It's not. What he can be faulted for is hiring a director for FEMA that had
no experience in emergency administration and whose job smacked of
favoritism. Bush can also be faulted for looking asleep on the job, and
making stupid remarks about rebuilding Trent Lotts house. He can slo be
faulted for not taking the situation seriously until his handlers shook some
sense into him.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Dave Jefford" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:17 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

Yea, just couldn't figure out how Bush could be responsible for
something cause by God. The people in Louisiana voted for
Democrats Governor, Senators and Mayor.They should either
pray or next time around vote for Republicans and none of these
would have happened. The people in Florida are smart, they voted
for another Bush and see how they were blessed last year when
they were hits by 3 or 4 hurricanes?

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Awww, poor baby. Had to tahe two days off his 5 week vacation. **** him.

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "FDR" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news In article .com,
"Dumbo" wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local officials
like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana Democrats?
You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

They did do something about it. They got a plan started to upgrade the
levees.

But that plan has been there since the _Johnson_ administration. How is it now
_Bush's_ fault that the plan was not implemented?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.


Greetings,

In fact, I am outraged that my federal tax dollars are going to pay for
any of this. How about I build a house at low tide and when high tide
comes I collect money and aid from the federal government?

Call me crazy, but I don't see how it is my responsibility to pay for
people who chose to live below sea level surrounded by bodies of water
the smallest of which is the Mississippi River. They chose to live
below sea level and now I have to pay money to them? No, I don't think
they should be prevented from living below sea level-- but when
something happens I shouldn't get the bill either. If they weren't
100% sure they would be bailed out if anything ever did happen perhaps
they would have done something about the levees earlier.

I have a vacant 5 bedroom house, a vacant 4 bedroom house, and 4 cars.
If this was a free market economy I would be willing to drive down
there and pick up people and let them stay with me for $50/room/night.
I would be willing to rent the cars for something like $30/day for in
town use. That would come to just less than $20,000 if everyone made a
minimum one month commitment. Win/win situation for everyone, right?
The problem is that this isn't a free market economy and the government
gives everyone such a security blanket that they have none of their
own. Since people aren't allowed to purchase the services that they
desperately need they suffer.

Hope this helps,
William

"FDR" wrote in message
...

"Dave Jefford" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:17 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

Yea, just couldn't figure out how Bush could be responsible for
something cause by God. The people in Louisiana voted for
Democrats Governor, Senators and Mayor.They should either
pray or next time around vote for Republicans and none of these
would have happened. The people in Florida are smart, they voted
for another Bush and see how they were blessed last year when
they were hits by 3 or 4 hurricanes?

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Awww, poor baby. Had to tahe two days off his 5 week vacation. **** him.


And when you are on vacation, do you anything work related? He did, I can
guarantee it.

"Charlie Bress" wrote in
:

What makes you think Katrina was a local disaster?
Local governments are fine for local disasters. Think fire, river
flood, explosion.
The federal government set itself up for the biggies. Like walls of
water and hundreds of thousands of displaced evacuees and thousands
trapped because they were too poor or too old or sick to get out of
the way.

From the FEMA web pages:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent
agency that
became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 -
is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and
mitigating against disasters.

Pookie is just singing the "it's not my fault song" so popular in
Washington.

Face up to it. The federal government with all its resources stood
around playing with themselves while people died, but it wasn't their
fault. The governor of Louisiana should have had more National Guard
troops to take control. Where were they? In Iraq. who sent them there.
The idiots that Pookie thinks so highly of.
More than enough said.

(end of rant)

Charlie

"Pookie" wrote in message
...

diatribe snipped




State and Local governments are supposed to act until the National
government can muster it's efforts.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:17 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he would have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and the State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

Yea, just couldn't figure out how Bush could be responsible for
something cause by God. The people in Louisiana voted for
Democrats Governor, Senators and Mayor.They should either
pray or next time around vote for Republicans and none of these
would have happened. The people in Florida are smart, they voted
for another Bush and see how they were blessed last year when
they were hits by 3 or 4 hurricanes?

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

(Doug Miller) wrote in
:

In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "FDR"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news In article
.com, "Dumbo"
wrote:

Pookie wrote:

cut long nonsensical blabbering...
Primary responsibility for this disaster remains with local
officials like
Nagin and Blanco, not President Bush.


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE PEOPLE EVER TAKE RESPONSIBIITY FOR
ANYTHING? My 3 years old has more sense of duty than these
clowns...

What, you're expecting responsible behavior from Louisiana
Democrats? You
probably believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, too...

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he
would have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and
the State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in
a Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

They did do something about it. They got a plan started to upgrade
the levees.

But that plan has been there since the _Johnson_ administration. How
is it now _Bush's_ fault that the plan was not implemented?


Assume that Bush and Congress awarded ALL the funds needed for upgrades;how
LONG would it take to actually complete them? It would take far longer than
Bush has been in office.

Assume that Bush signed Kyoto,how LONG would it take for the changes to
affect global climate in order to lessen hurricanes forcefullness?(if ever)
Not in time to affect anything in our era.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:38:09 -0500, Dan C wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:23:19 -0400, Its da jackeeettt wrote:

Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

You're a complete and utter ****ing moron. - Absolute truth.

Yea agrees. MORON! Bush speak to GOD every night.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 05:10:36 -0700, Gort wrote:

Its da jackeeettt wrote:
Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

He's responsible for the hurricanes and the tsunami too.
He's GOD!
But now he's getting bored with mundane pastimes, so he's been examining
newsgroups.

Guess what!
He's discovered YOU!
The fun will begin shortly.

Maybe we should blame John Kerry too?

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:45:20 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

It's not. What he can be faulted for is hiring a director for FEMA that had
no experience in emergency administration and whose job smacked of
favoritism. Bush can also be faulted for looking asleep on the job, and
making stupid remarks about rebuilding Trent Lotts house.

I don't think too many people will fault Bush for natural disasters.
But your next statement is what is disturbing although not many
people had put it this way either.

He can slo be faulted for not taking the situation seriously until his handlers shook some
sense into him.

You have a leader who is clueless and quite incapable of real thought
or passion in anything except to appear macho on "terrorism." He
needs underlings to tell him what to to be they the neocons or his PR
people. In the Katrina crisis notice how his appearances and meetings
with the victims have been so carefully orchestrated that there is no
spontaneity and everything he had said so far is just empty pablum.
Okay cite me one memorable quote, scene or decision if you disagree.

The fearless leader won't even go to New Orleans where the real crisis
is and needs his leadership. I am not American so its not for me to
criticise further. But Bush is still the leader of the most powerful
and richest nation on this planet. It does worry us to see you having
such a person in your highest office.

PaPaPeng wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:45:20 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

It's not. What he can be faulted for is hiring a director for FEMA that had
no experience in emergency administration and whose job smacked of
favoritism. Bush can also be faulted for looking asleep on the job, and
making stupid remarks about rebuilding Trent Lotts house.

I don't think too many people will fault Bush for natural disasters.
But your next statement is what is disturbing although not many
people had put it this way either.

He can slo be faulted for not taking the situation seriously until his handlers shook some
sense into him.

You have a leader who is clueless and quite incapable of real thought
or passion in anything except to appear macho on "terrorism." ...

I don't believe there's basis for the above other than partisanship and
Monday-morning quarterbacking...

Dave Jefford wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 05:10:36 -0700, Gort wrote:


Its da jackeeettt wrote:

Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

He's responsible for the hurricanes and the tsunami too.
He's GOD!
But now he's getting bored with mundane pastimes, so he's been examining
newsgroups.

Guess what!
He's discovered YOU!
The fun will begin shortly.


Maybe we should blame John Kerry too?


Do you think things would have been any different? They are all the
same. Worthless.

Well keep arguing over Republical or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative,
Black or White. it still Rich and wannabee rich vs. the rest of us as
it has alrways been.

My only question is WTF is the 30% of my income I been paying in taxes
goign if we cant save my fellow Americans?

I am guessing a 'dirty bomb' would have produced the same situation.
Are we prepared? Have we paid taxes to be prepared?


--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"HeatMan" wrote in message
...

"FDR" wrote in message
...

"Dave Jefford" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:35:17 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

Bush continually ****s up and he keeps his job. Anywhere else he
would
have
been fired. How many more have to die because of him?.

Excuse me... how is it Bush's fault that the city of New Orleans and
the
State
of Louisiana have known for _forty_years_ that this would happen in a
Cat-4
hurrincane, and did nothing about it?

Yea, just couldn't figure out how Bush could be responsible for
something cause by God. The people in Louisiana voted for
Democrats Governor, Senators and Mayor.They should either
pray or next time around vote for Republicans and none of these
would have happened. The people in Florida are smart, they voted
for another Bush and see how they were blessed last year when
they were hits by 3 or 4 hurricanes?

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Awww, poor baby. Had to tahe two days off his 5 week vacation. ****
him.


And when you are on vacation, do you anything work related? He did, I can
guarantee it.

Hey, I got an idea. He should stay at Crawford 365 days a year since he
certainly can do his work from there. Terrorist attack? Phone it in. Iraq
war, fax it in. Budget, snd an e-mail. Yup, it's hard work.

Dan C wrote in
news
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:23:19 -0400, Its da jackeeettt wrote:

Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

You're a complete and utter ****ing moron. - Absolute truth.


You were seen on TV coverage waiting outside GW's home. You said that
you were waiting to suck GW's dick and then have him stick it to you.

FDR wrote:

...What he can be faulted for is hiring a director for FEMA that had
no experience in emergency administration and whose job smacked of
favoritism. Bush can also be faulted for looking asleep on the job, and
making stupid remarks about rebuilding Trent Lotts house. He can slo be
faulted for not taking the situation seriously until his handlers shook some
sense into him.

Don't forget the stupid smirk.

Nick

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:32:27 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

Florida's response to hurricanes seems to have been much better coordinated
than Louisiana's. Could it be that Florida's governor is more competent than
Louisiana's?

That's what I mean vote Republicans they are more
competent that all the whining liberals! The Bush's families,
the oil tycoons, and the rich are more competent.

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Can't imagine what you think the President had to do with it.

No, I am not saying the President had anything to do with the
disaster. I still remember during the Presidential's election Bush
say, being a President is hard work. Like everyone else he need
the vacation and if people and other elected officials cannot do
their jobs properly, it's their fault and don't blame it on the President.



--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:05 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Awww, poor baby. Had to tahe two days off his 5 week vacation. **** him.

Tsk, tsk mind your words. He's our President and the is the best President
we ever have.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:05 +0000, FDR wrote:

After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.

Awww, poor baby. Had to tahe two days off his 5 week vacation. **** him.

Nothing like a stupid liberal to show himself to be a clueless ass in
public. You do your Party proud, doofus.

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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:42:51 -0400, Its da jackeeettt wrote:

Bush is at fault for it all. - Not a myth.

You're a complete and utter ****ing moron. - Absolute truth.

You were seen on TV coverage waiting outside GW's home. You said that
you were waiting to suck GW's dick and then have him stick it to you.

Great comeback. Another ignorant Liberal shows himself to be a dumbass in
public. Crawl back under your rock with the rest of the idiots, doofus.

--
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If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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FDR wrote:
"Dave Jefford" wrote in message


After all Bush was on vacation in Texas, he need the vacation with all
problems in the home front and overseas. He DID return 2 days earlier
and even fly over to take a look.


Awww, poor baby. Had to tahe two days off his 5 week vacation. **** him.



And of course you'd tell him that right to his face if you had the
chance. pfft...