Ive got a mint Airco PhaseArc 350 mig welder, which is a 3phase
machine so havent been able to run it here at the homestead. When I
had the warehouse, I was able to use it down there because there was
3ph. Hating to have machines taking up space that I cant use, I
decided to see if it would run off my current 5hp RPC. To make a long
story short..It wouldnt. (PRC is Rotary Phase Converter btw), which is
basicly nothing more than a 3ph motor spun up to speed in some
fashion, and then it will run on single phase 220, and it generates
the 3rd leg all by itself, allowing you to hook up 3 phase industrial
type equipment to it.

I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

Anyways...plugging the Airco mig into the impromptu RPC. I found the
motor itself was idaling at about 18 amps on each input leg, and the
output legs generate 240, 2399, and 233 volts across the output legs,
with the manufactured leg provideing 233 volts.
With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current. Chuckle..burning
that hot was like using a spray gun, the weld looked like it was
composed of nothing but tiny ball bearings, and had absolutly no
simularity to a weld at all. It was a sponge.

So, I showed that I can run a decent sized 3 phase industrial type
machine on single phase power, which in this case was the spare
electric dryer outlet, fused at 40 amps, run into a 50' 6/3 extension
cord out to the welding area (which is on its own 60 amp circuit), by
making up a simply rpc.


I think however..Ill start looking for a 1725 rpm 10hp motor , as the
noise and the air from the fan itself is like a hurricane, at 3450 rpm

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

(snip)

So, I showed that I can run a decent sized 3 phase industrial type
machine on single phase power, which in this case was the spare
electric dryer outlet, fused at 40 amps, run into a 50' 6/3 extension
cord out to the welding area (which is on its own 60 amp circuit), by
making up a simply rpc.

Cool!

Does it seem to run any smoother than a comparably-sized single-phase
machine -- as perhaps your Dan MIG?

Gunner Asch wrote:


I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

I bet if you worked on it you could get that idler to run a lot quieter. Make
the feet *right* so nothing is twisted, nothing is loose, everything's just
solid and no teeny warps. Then rubber-mount the whole bidness. I bet that would
knock off at least 15 dB right there. A little enclosure would help a lot too.

GWE

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:35 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

I bet if you worked on it you could get that idler to run a lot quieter. Make
the feet *right* so nothing is twisted, nothing is loose, everything's just
solid and no teeny warps. Then rubber-mount the whole bidness. I bet that would
knock off at least 15 dB right there. A little enclosure would help a lot too.

GWE
I think you could isolate vibration OK, but a 3450 RPM fan makes a
hell of a racket that would be more of a challenge. It could be done
with an acoustic enclosure, but I bet it'd be a lot easier
(especially for Gunner) to scrounge up a 1725 RPM motor.

In article , Gunner Asch says...

... so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.

That's a terrible idea, it'll never work. :^)

Anyways...plugging the Airco mig into the impromptu RPC. I found the
motor itself was idaling at about 18 amps on each input leg, and the
output legs generate 240, 2399, and 233 volts across the output legs,
with the manufactured leg provideing 233 volts.

Hmm. Not sure about the 2.3 kV leg there....

With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current.

One thing you have to realize is that the amperage you are measuring
on the legs (probably via an amp-clamp meter, right?) is mostly
reactive power when you are not loading the idler. When you load it
by welding, the power factor is coming closer to one, which means
it's spinning your meter more. The idea is that the amp clamp does
a poor job of showing the real power draw, because the unloaded
condition has such a low power factor.

The good news is, the 18 amps you measure with it unloaded is mostly
reactive current. You are probably drawing something like 500 watts
total when it's not loaded, if my stone age converter is a guide.

Jim


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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
Ive got a mint Airco PhaseArc 350 mig welder, which is a 3phase
machine so havent been able to run it here at the homestead. When I
had the warehouse, I was able to use it down there because there was
3ph. Hating to have machines taking up space that I cant use, I
decided to see if it would run off my current 5hp RPC. To make a long
story short..It wouldnt. (PRC is Rotary Phase Converter btw), which is
basicly nothing more than a 3ph motor spun up to speed in some
fashion, and then it will run on single phase 220, and it generates
the 3rd leg all by itself, allowing you to hook up 3 phase industrial
type equipment to it.

I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

Anyways...plugging the Airco mig into the impromptu RPC. I found the
motor itself was idaling at about 18 amps on each input leg, and the
output legs generate 240, 2399, and 233 volts across the output legs,
with the manufactured leg provideing 233 volts.
With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current. Chuckle..burning
that hot was like using a spray gun, the weld looked like it was
composed of nothing but tiny ball bearings, and had absolutly no
simularity to a weld at all. It was a sponge.

So, I showed that I can run a decent sized 3 phase industrial type
machine on single phase power, which in this case was the spare
electric dryer outlet, fused at 40 amps, run into a 50' 6/3 extension
cord out to the welding area (which is on its own 60 amp circuit), by
making up a simply rpc.


I think however..Ill start looking for a 1725 rpm 10hp motor , as the
noise and the air from the fan itself is like a hurricane, at 3450 rpm

Gunner

I passed up a real nice older airco tig welder because I wasn't sure if I
could run it with my rotary phase converter. I have a miller double roller
wire feed unit that would have fit on it perfect. Next time I won't let it
get away.

Richard W.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current. Chuckle..burning
that hot was like using a spray gun, the weld looked like it was
composed of nothing but tiny ball bearings, and had absolutly no
simularity to a weld at all. It was a sponge.

I'm not sure what you're describing here. A sponge sounds like porosity. In
regular spray transfer without Dual Shield, the weld looks like nice, shiny,
molten metal- kind of like the stuff the cop was made out of in Terminator.
You can put a lot of metal on fast which can lead to gorilla welds if you're
not careful.

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


I passed up a real nice older airco tig welder because I wasn't sure if I
could run it with my rotary phase converter. I have a miller double roller
wire feed unit that would have fit on it perfect. Next time I won't let it
get away.

Old copper-iron (not inverter type) TIG machines draw significantly
more current (at given amperage rating) than MIG machines do.
I think you'd need at least 20 HP worth of idler to run a TIG at 250
amps.

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:



I think however..Ill start looking for a 1725 rpm 10hp motor , as the
noise and the air from the fan itself is like a hurricane, at 3450 rpm

Check in with Jerry.

Gunner Asch wrote:
Ive got a mint Airco PhaseArc 350 mig welder, which is a 3phase
machine so havent been able to run it here at the homestead. When I
had the warehouse, I was able to use it down there because there was
3ph. Hating to have machines taking up space that I cant use, I
decided to see if it would run off my current 5hp RPC. To make a long
story short..It wouldnt. (PRC is Rotary Phase Converter btw), which is
basicly nothing more than a 3ph motor spun up to speed in some
fashion, and then it will run on single phase 220, and it generates
the 3rd leg all by itself, allowing you to hook up 3 phase industrial
type equipment to it.

I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

Anyways...plugging the Airco mig into the impromptu RPC. I found the
motor itself was idaling at about 18 amps on each input leg, and the
output legs generate 240, 2399, and 233 volts across the output legs,
with the manufactured leg provideing 233 volts.
With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current. Chuckle..burning
that hot was like using a spray gun, the weld looked like it was
composed of nothing but tiny ball bearings, and had absolutly no
simularity to a weld at all. It was a sponge.

So, I showed that I can run a decent sized 3 phase industrial type
machine on single phase power, which in this case was the spare
electric dryer outlet, fused at 40 amps, run into a 50' 6/3 extension
cord out to the welding area (which is on its own 60 amp circuit), by
making up a simply rpc.


I think however..Ill start looking for a 1725 rpm 10hp motor , as the
noise and the air from the fan itself is like a hurricane, at 3450 rpm

Gunner


Cool. I'm a bit envious of that welder but I'll get over it someday,
probably..

John



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:43:11 GMT, Ignoramus26409
wrote:


You can spin up that 10 HP idler from your 5 HP idler. Start the 5 HP
idler first, get it up to speed, and then plug in the 10 HP idler by
means of a contactor or appropriate mechanical disconnect. Then apply
load. You would have a 15 HP idler capacity RPC.

i

I tried that. Let out the Magic Smoke. I just finished repairing the
burned out wires a few minutes ago..and thankfully it still works.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:35:00 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

(snip)

So, I showed that I can run a decent sized 3 phase industrial type
machine on single phase power, which in this case was the spare
electric dryer outlet, fused at 40 amps, run into a 50' 6/3 extension
cord out to the welding area (which is on its own 60 amp circuit), by
making up a simply rpc.

Cool!

Does it seem to run any smoother than a comparably-sized single-phase
machine -- as perhaps your Dan MIG?

Lord yes. Down at the 18-22 volt range..its like welding with light.
Hardly any sound other than a faint hiss/crackle. I was wondering if
I was getting any penetration at all, and sectioned a couple welds.
Nice and deep with 75/25 gas. Ill have to try this with Co2 next.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:35 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

I bet if you worked on it you could get that idler to run a lot quieter. Make
the feet *right* so nothing is twisted, nothing is loose, everything's just
solid and no teeny warps. Then rubber-mount the whole bidness. I bet that would
knock off at least 15 dB right there. A little enclosure would help a lot too.

GWE


Im planning on building this into a "unit", Electrical subpanel, etc.
Ive got a Clausing 1501 15x48 lathe I havent been able to do much
with, as it has a 7.5hp motor on it, which the 5hp will start..but it
doesnt like it very much, least of all starting it in high gear.

I simply stuck this together in the most expedious fashion, just to
see if it would run the welder well enough to bother going any
further. LOL...since I let out the magic smoke on the commercial
RPC..my shop has been running on a 5hp motor sitting in the dirt in
the middle of the shop with a dryer cord feeding it and a chunk of
12/4 running to the distro panal. Rope start and plug it in quick
before the motor slows down. But it worked for an expedient.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:30:23 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:35 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

I bet if you worked on it you could get that idler to run a lot quieter. Make
the feet *right* so nothing is twisted, nothing is loose, everything's just
solid and no teeny warps. Then rubber-mount the whole bidness. I bet that would
knock off at least 15 dB right there. A little enclosure would help a lot too.

GWE
I think you could isolate vibration OK, but a 3450 RPM fan makes a
hell of a racket that would be more of a challenge. It could be done
with an acoustic enclosure, but I bet it'd be a lot easier
(especially for Gunner) to scrounge up a 1725 RPM motor.


Ayup..it really heavy on fan noise. The wind coming off the fan can be
felt at over 20 feet. It was so strong, I had to put up a wind shield
so it wouldnt keep blowing my sheilding gas away...10 feet away.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On 12 Sep 2005 16:36:58 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner Asch says...

... so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.

That's a terrible idea, it'll never work. :^)

Anyways...plugging the Airco mig into the impromptu RPC. I found the
motor itself was idaling at about 18 amps on each input leg, and the
output legs generate 240, 2399, and 233 volts across the output legs,
with the manufactured leg provideing 233 volts.

Hmm. Not sure about the 2.3 kV leg there....

Cold fusion I think. Or sunspots. Or even a typo. Blush.

With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current.

One thing you have to realize is that the amperage you are measuring
on the legs (probably via an amp-clamp meter, right?) is mostly
reactive power when you are not loading the idler. When you load it
by welding, the power factor is coming closer to one, which means
it's spinning your meter more. The idea is that the amp clamp does
a poor job of showing the real power draw, because the unloaded
condition has such a low power factor.

The good news is, the 18 amps you measure with it unloaded is mostly
reactive current. You are probably drawing something like 500 watts
total when it's not loaded, if my stone age converter is a guide.

Jim


Cool!! I try to follow the various RPC threads...but when it starts
geting into the reactive/inductive techno stuff...my eyes glaze. Im a
screw driver type. Shrug

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
Ive got a mint Airco PhaseArc 350 mig welder, which is a 3phase
machine so havent been able to run it here at the homestead. When I
had the warehouse, I was able to use it down there because there was
3ph. Hating to have machines taking up space that I cant use, I
decided to see if it would run off my current 5hp RPC. To make a long
story short..It wouldnt. (PRC is Rotary Phase Converter btw), which is
basicly nothing more than a 3ph motor spun up to speed in some
fashion, and then it will run on single phase 220, and it generates
the 3rd leg all by itself, allowing you to hook up 3 phase industrial
type equipment to it.

I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

Anyways...plugging the Airco mig into the impromptu RPC. I found the
motor itself was idaling at about 18 amps on each input leg, and the
output legs generate 240, 2399, and 233 volts across the output legs,
with the manufactured leg provideing 233 volts.
With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current. Chuckle..burning
that hot was like using a spray gun, the weld looked like it was
composed of nothing but tiny ball bearings, and had absolutly no
simularity to a weld at all. It was a sponge.

So, I showed that I can run a decent sized 3 phase industrial type
machine on single phase power, which in this case was the spare
electric dryer outlet, fused at 40 amps, run into a 50' 6/3 extension
cord out to the welding area (which is on its own 60 amp circuit), by
making up a simply rpc.


I think however..Ill start looking for a 1725 rpm 10hp motor , as the
noise and the air from the fan itself is like a hurricane, at 3450 rpm

Gunner

I passed up a real nice older airco tig welder because I wasn't sure if I
could run it with my rotary phase converter. I have a miller double roller
wire feed unit that would have fit on it perfect. Next time I won't let it
get away.

Richard W.

Thats why I posted it to both rcm and the welding one. The subject
has been a pretty regular one on RCM..but I figure some of the welding
folks may have been new to the idea. 10hp should be big enough to run
a fair sized TIG or stick welder.

Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:31 -0400, "ATP*" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
With the Airco turned on, simply ideling, current went up to about 22
amps per leg, and here is the funny part...at 25 volts, burning .45
DualSheild, with 150 amps indicated on the welder, total current draw
only went up to 28 amps, raising the voltage to its top 35 volts...far
far into the OH **** spray transfer mode, only raised the total amps
to 35 with an indicated 250 amps of weld current. Chuckle..burning
that hot was like using a spray gun, the weld looked like it was
composed of nothing but tiny ball bearings, and had absolutly no
simularity to a weld at all. It was a sponge.

I'm not sure what you're describing here. A sponge sounds like porosity. In
regular spray transfer without Dual Shield, the weld looks like nice, shiny,
molten metal- kind of like the stuff the cop was made out of in Terminator.
You can put a lot of metal on fast which can lead to gorilla welds if you're
not careful.

It layed out a bead of metal that looks nothing more than tiny ball
bearings all piled up. I had the wire screaming through the nozzel at
35 volts. About 10' a second..chuckle..anything slower with that size
wire and it would burn back in a heart beat.

When I had enough fun with that, I turned it back down to normal and
made some of the nicest beads with good penetration Ive ever done
(which aint saying all that much..sigh)

I burned up all the .035 copper coated that I had in that mad minute,
and I had to stick on a roll of .035 dual shield...70s-3 IRRC.
Now I got to brush off the flux..sigh.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:35 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


I had a brand new Marathon Elect 10hp 3450rpm motor kicking around so
I decided to breadboard it up into a bigger RPC and see if it would
run the Airco. Getting it up to speed was the problem, as I couldnt
spin it fast enough with a rope wrapped around the shaft, so micky
moused up a 1/2hp 110vt 3450 moter, pulley and flat belt to spin the
big motors shaft directly, before applying single phase power to it.
Which worked just fine.

God that big 10hp motor is loud when it runs....I could hear it 200
yrs away, Of course..bolting it to a pair of I beams, then sitting
loose on the top of my welding bench turned the bench into a sounding
board....aaaaack!!

I bet if you worked on it you could get that idler to run a lot quieter. Make
the feet *right* so nothing is twisted, nothing is loose, everything's just
solid and no teeny warps. Then rubber-mount the whole bidness. I bet that would
knock off at least 15 dB right there. A little enclosure would help a lot too.

GWE

Is there any advantage of one rpm motor or the other? Does the slip
stream angle of the dangle hodendragon perform better than the
lowslide undertow of the invictus bordergary?

G

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:58:54 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:35:00 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Does it seem to run any smoother than a comparably-sized single-phase
machine -- as perhaps your Dan MIG?

Lord yes. Down at the 18-22 volt range..its like welding with light.
Hardly any sound other than a faint hiss/crackle. I was wondering if
I was getting any penetration at all, and sectioned a couple welds.
Nice and deep with 75/25 gas. Ill have to try this with Co2 next.

Gunner

Sweet! Good thing I'm yonder distant. If I tried it I'd surely
want one like it.

I'll stoicly mush on with what I have, shrug, sigh...oh poor me...

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:26:19 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Is there any advantage of one rpm motor or the other? Does the slip
stream angle of the dangle hodendragon perform better than the
lowslide undertow of the invictus bordergary?


Don't patronize us experts, asshole! G

From what I've read, it makes little difference. There is some
opinion that lower speed motors work better as idlers though I've no
idea why that might be so. They're sure as hell less noisy.

I still don't fully understand how an RPC really works. Fitch
admits that he doesn't either though I've no doubt that he could if
he wanted to bad enough. We found some academic papers that
purported to analyze them but the math swamp was way thicker than
we've had the ambition to journey thru so far.

Jerry did some very interesting research with good instrumentation and
a shop-made eddy-current brake that worked really well, had some
findings contrary to "informed opinion". Oh well! His apparati
are now dismantled and up for grabs for the quick, dumpster-destined
otherwise.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:51:22 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:26:19 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Is there any advantage of one rpm motor or the other? Does the slip
stream angle of the dangle hodendragon perform better than the
lowslide undertow of the invictus bordergary?


Don't patronize us experts, asshole! G

From what I've read, it makes little difference. There is some
opinion that lower speed motors work better as idlers though I've no
idea why that might be so. They're sure as hell less noisy.

I still don't fully understand how an RPC really works. Fitch
admits that he doesn't either though I've no doubt that he could if
he wanted to bad enough. We found some academic papers that
purported to analyze them but the math swamp was way thicker than
we've had the ambition to journey thru so far.

Jerry did some very interesting research with good instrumentation and
a shop-made eddy-current brake that worked really well, had some
findings contrary to "informed opinion". Oh well! His apparati
are now dismantled and up for grabs for the quick, dumpster-destined
otherwise.


Ill have to hunt around for a 17xx motor I think. It will be easier to
set up and while welding really isnt a Zen thing exactly...it would be
far more pleasent when not doing it next to a running GE Turbofan.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


I passed up a real nice older airco tig welder because I wasn't sure if I
could run it with my rotary phase converter. I have a miller double roller
wire feed unit that would have fit on it perfect. Next time I won't let it
get away.

Richard W.

Thats why I posted it to both rcm and the welding one. The subject
has been a pretty regular one on RCM..but I figure some of the welding
folks may have been new to the idea. 10hp should be big enough to run
a fair sized TIG or stick welder.

Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

According to Gunner Asch :
On 12 Sep 2005 16:36:58 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

[ ... ]

The good news is, the 18 amps you measure with it unloaded is mostly
reactive current. You are probably drawing something like 500 watts
total when it's not loaded, if my stone age converter is a guide.

Jim


Cool!! I try to follow the various RPC threads...but when it starts
geting into the reactive/inductive techno stuff...my eyes glaze. Im a
screw driver type. Shrug

You can reduce that unloaded current (as seen on your clamp-on
meter) by hooking a power factor compensation capacitor across the line
terminals at the input to your RPC.

They need to be AC run caps, not motor starting caps (just as tuning
caps need to be).

Just start the idler up, measure the current in one of the legs
(both should be the same, unless you've got a leakage path to ground
somewhere), hook in a capacitor, re-measure, add more and repeat until
your current starts going back up. At that point, remove the last
capacitor. I would guess that you should prepare to go up in perhaps
20-50 uF steps for the size of RPC which you are talking about.

Remember -- the clamp-on meter needs to be between the breaker
and the caps, not between the caps and the motor.

This will reduce the current seen by your wires and your circuit
breakers. It won't have much effect on your power meter -- unless you
are on a demand-metered service, in which case you would not be needing
a RPC, as you would already have three phase.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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In article , Ignoramus10314 says...

That's interesting to me, since I also have a 10 hp RPC. Would having
these caps, in any way, improve the quality of the 3 phase supply, or
is is just for the purposes of reducing out of phase unloaded current
in the supply?

Read up on tuning converters. One set of capacitors goes from
L1 to the generated leg, and from L2 to the generated leg.
First thing is to get those right to produce the best quality
3~ power.

Then additional power factor correction capacitors are added
directly across the incoming line, L1 to L2.

It's important to to the 'tuning' first because that will
substatially reduce the reactive currents all by itself.

Jim


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was a real pain simply to fix a head to think a way and fix a problem.. then
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The other want - was a hit man - but that was easier but never happened either!

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Wayne Cook wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:



I passed up a real nice older airco tig welder because I wasn't sure if I
could run it with my rotary phase converter. I have a miller double roller
wire feed unit that would have fit on it perfect. Next time I won't let it
get away.

Richard W.


Thats why I posted it to both rcm and the welding one. The subject
has been a pretty regular one on RCM..but I figure some of the welding
folks may have been new to the idea. 10hp should be big enough to run
a fair sized TIG or stick welder.

Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.


Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:26:08 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:58:54 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:35:00 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Does it seem to run any smoother than a comparably-sized single-phase
machine -- as perhaps your Dan MIG?

Lord yes. Down at the 18-22 volt range..its like welding with light.
Hardly any sound other than a faint hiss/crackle. I was wondering if
I was getting any penetration at all, and sectioned a couple welds.
Nice and deep with 75/25 gas. Ill have to try this with Co2 next.

Gunner

Sweet! Good thing I'm yonder distant. If I tried it I'd surely
want one like it.

I'll stoicly mush on with what I have, shrug, sigh...oh poor me...


ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!!! For you and Wayne Cook both.

Gunner, from the middle of his stacks of Stuff.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:18:36 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


I passed up a real nice older airco tig welder because I wasn't sure if I
could run it with my rotary phase converter. I have a miller double roller
wire feed unit that would have fit on it perfect. Next time I won't let it
get away.

Richard W.

Thats why I posted it to both rcm and the welding one. The subject
has been a pretty regular one on RCM..but I figure some of the welding
folks may have been new to the idea. 10hp should be big enough to run
a fair sized TIG or stick welder.

Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


ROAD TRIP!!!!!!! Its not all that far to Bakersfield from Texas.
You could use a little down time. Let the missus drive while you play
the harmonica and watch the world passing your windsheild.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:05:16 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:18:36 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


ROAD TRIP!!!!!!! Its not all that far to Bakersfield from Texas.
You could use a little down time. Let the missus drive while you play
the harmonica and watch the world passing your windsheild.

There's the rub. She can't drive. Thus I'm forced to do all the
driving and I can't stand to drive. It just about kills me to make the
drive to Albuquerque every year to see my mother for Christmas or
Thanksgiving.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

Roadtrip for Gunner - driving a big semi - filled with racks of goodies... :-)
IF only the lottery would deliver...

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:26:08 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:58:54 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:35:00 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Does it seem to run any smoother than a comparably-sized single-phase
machine -- as perhaps your Dan MIG?

Lord yes. Down at the 18-22 volt range..its like welding with light.
Hardly any sound other than a faint hiss/crackle. I was wondering if
I was getting any penetration at all, and sectioned a couple welds.
Nice and deep with 75/25 gas. Ill have to try this with Co2 next.

Gunner

Sweet! Good thing I'm yonder distant. If I tried it I'd surely
want one like it.

I'll stoicly mush on with what I have, shrug, sigh...oh poor me...



ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!!! For you and Wayne Cook both.

Gunner, from the middle of his stacks of Stuff.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:26:58 GMT, Ignoramus10314
wrote:

If AAA Cooper goes to Arizona, you may get a great deal on shipping.

A guy from Texas bought a forklift from me (electric hand truck,
electric lift but manual push). 700 lbs. With liftgate pickup from my
home in IL, it cost him, drumroll, $250, at AAA cooper.

i

Interesting but probably still to much considering what I'd want
from Gunner. :-)

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:44:34 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

Roadtrip for Gunner - driving a big semi - filled with racks of goodies... :-)
IF only the lottery would deliver...

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder


Martins been to my place G And he didnt go away empty handed.

And he is a very nice and very smart man.

Gunner



Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:26:08 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:58:54 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:35:00 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:31:24 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Does it seem to run any smoother than a comparably-sized single-phase
machine -- as perhaps your Dan MIG?

Lord yes. Down at the 18-22 volt range..its like welding with light.
Hardly any sound other than a faint hiss/crackle. I was wondering if
I was getting any penetration at all, and sectioned a couple welds.
Nice and deep with 75/25 gas. Ill have to try this with Co2 next.

Gunner

Sweet! Good thing I'm yonder distant. If I tried it I'd surely
want one like it.

I'll stoicly mush on with what I have, shrug, sigh...oh poor me...



ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!!! For you and Wayne Cook both.

Gunner, from the middle of his stacks of Stuff.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:09:06 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:05:16 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:18:36 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


ROAD TRIP!!!!!!! Its not all that far to Bakersfield from Texas.
You could use a little down time. Let the missus drive while you play
the harmonica and watch the world passing your windsheild.

There's the rub. She can't drive. Thus I'm forced to do all the
driving and I can't stand to drive. It just about kills me to make the
drive to Albuquerque every year to see my mother for Christmas or
Thanksgiving.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


Who owes you money that has a drivers license?

G

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:44:46 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:09:06 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:05:16 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:18:36 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


ROAD TRIP!!!!!!! Its not all that far to Bakersfield from Texas.
You could use a little down time. Let the missus drive while you play
the harmonica and watch the world passing your windsheild.

There's the rub. She can't drive. Thus I'm forced to do all the
driving and I can't stand to drive. It just about kills me to make the
drive to Albuquerque every year to see my mother for Christmas or
Thanksgiving.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


Who owes you money that has a drivers license?


Unfortunately not many people. My main buddy for jobs like this
definitely couldn't get away for long enough to get there and back.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:36:51 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:44:46 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:09:06 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 03:05:16 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:18:36 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:52 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.

Best offer. Central California, on a cart with flat tires. G But it
does run and well.

Cheap..really cheap.

Damn. Gunner when are you going to get that matter transporter
working. If I had a way of getting it here I would take that Cybertig.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


ROAD TRIP!!!!!!! Its not all that far to Bakersfield from Texas.
You could use a little down time. Let the missus drive while you play
the harmonica and watch the world passing your windsheild.

There's the rub. She can't drive. Thus I'm forced to do all the
driving and I can't stand to drive. It just about kills me to make the
drive to Albuquerque every year to see my mother for Christmas or
Thanksgiving.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm


Who owes you money that has a drivers license?


Unfortunately not many people. My main buddy for jobs like this
definitely couldn't get away for long enough to get there and back.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

Welllll hell. If you can think of a trucker or someone making a round
about, Ill figure out how to get it to him/her and Ill send it off to
you. Since I lost the warehouse, Ive got the thing, along with a bunch
of lathes, grinders, gun drill, all stored out at a buddies place,
outside in the open. Winter fog and rain is not all that far in the
future..and while tarping the stuff is a temporary option...lots of
stuff is gonna get ruined if folks dont take Stuff off my hands pretty
soon. The one lady I know who was doing runs into Texas fell off her
hazmat trailer in the rain and broke her back..so she is gonna be laid
up for quite some time. I figure this thing has to go about 500lbs or
so, at least. It will ride in the back of a pickup just fine..shrug.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Good job Gunner.

There has been alot of discussion as to whether or not one can use a
RPC to do a 3 phase welder.

Seems like it is welder specific with some setups working and others
not.

You've got the magic touch. ;)

TMT

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:37:01 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:13:07 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Hummmmm maybe someone will come take the Hobart Cybertig 2 off my
hands now. Good machine, 700 amps top end of programable DC Stuff.
Includes a plasma torch and gas console. Needs a pedal though. 10pin
hobart.



Welllll hell. If you can think of a trucker or someone making a round
about, Ill figure out how to get it to him/her and Ill send it off to
you. Since I lost the warehouse, Ive got the thing, along with a bunch
of lathes, grinders, gun drill, all stored out at a buddies place,
outside in the open. Winter fog and rain is not all that far in the
future..and while tarping the stuff is a temporary option...lots of
stuff is gonna get ruined if folks dont take Stuff off my hands pretty
soon. The one lady I know who was doing runs into Texas fell off her
hazmat trailer in the rain and broke her back..so she is gonna be laid
up for quite some time. I figure this thing has to go about 500lbs or
so, at least. It will ride in the back of a pickup just fine..shrug.


Unfortunately I don't know any of those. At one time I thought I
might have a hot shot driver who would trade for a tool box. But I've
not seen her in over a year.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm