do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

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For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your 2 feet is
coming from?

On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your 2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing industry.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message ...
On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose?Â*Â* Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below.Â*Â* Maybe that's where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.

On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose?Â*Â* Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below.Â*Â* Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:46:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing industry.

Cindy Hamilton
The only way metal roofs are not significantly more expensive is if
you use "barn roofing" - AKA sheet steel - which is a common roof in
rural Australia

On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose?** Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below.** Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
I installes Certainteed Northgate for the same reason. I could
rationalize spending more for premium shingles, but not as much more
as a GOOD metal roof would have coar and I wasn't about to waste money
on a crappy metal roof that would look like crap within 10 years or
one that looked terrible the day it was installed (barn roof)

On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose?** Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below.** Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.

If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more. Why should I
pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 21 May 2021 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more. Why should I
pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?

Yeah, that was kinda my point. I would like to think that I have 20
years but I know I don't have 50. I highly doubt that I'll have even
20 living in this house.

On 5/21/2021 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose?Â*Â* Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below.Â*Â* Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.

If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I put on a 30 year roof and moved after 20. When I made that decision I
had no idea that I'd be moving so cheap worked.

On 5/21/2021 9:56 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:46:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing industry.

Cindy Hamilton
The only way metal roofs are not significantly more expensive is if
you use "barn roofing" - AKA sheet steel - which is a common roof in
rural Australia


Would you be referring to corrugated galvanized roofing ? We used5 rib
27ga steel , with a 40 year warranty . Cost with me installing was a
little more than having someone else apply shingles - which would have a
shorter warranty period and no protection from hot embers (very rare but
....) coming from the wood stove . Green is a very popular color out here
in the woods ...
--
Snag
Race only matters to racists ...

On 5/21/2021 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more. Why should I
pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?

Yeah, that was kinda my point. I would like to think that I have 20
years but I know I don't have 50. I highly doubt that I'll have even
20 living in this house.


I fully expect the roofing here - house and all outbuildings have the
same green 5 rib steel - to outlast me . But dammit , I'm gonna give it
a run for the money ! I figger the longer I stay active the longer I'll
last . Cutting 4 to 6 cords of firewood every year is a good start on
that .
--
Snag
Race only matters to racists ...

On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:23:49 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 5/21/2021 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more. Why should I
pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?

Yeah, that was kinda my point. I would like to think that I have 20
years but I know I don't have 50. I highly doubt that I'll have even
20 living in this house.


I fully expect the roofing here - house and all outbuildings have the
same green 5 rib steel - to outlast me . But dammit , I'm gonna give it
a run for the money ! I figger the longer I stay active the longer I'll
last . Cutting 4 to 6 cords of firewood every year is a good start on
that .

Exercise only matters to a point (and after can be a negative).
Choosing the right parents is far more important to longevity.

" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing
industry.

Trivial to check prices online, ****wit. Even you should be able to manage
that.

"Larry" wrote in message
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On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost of
the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.

More fool you. The metal roofs last FAR longer.

Mine is 50 years old now and is as good as when new.

On 5/21/2021 7:30 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message news
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose?Â*Â* Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.

More fool you. The metal roofs last FAR longer.

Mine is 50 years old now and is as good as when new.

BULL****

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost of
the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:46:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have
a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing
industry.

The only way metal roofs are not significantly more
expensive is if you use "barn roofing" - AKA sheet
steel - which is a common roof in rural Australia

Nope and it isnt just rural Oz anymore,
almost all new houses now.

No one is stupid enough to use stupid shingles anymore.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have
a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
I installes Certainteed Northgate for the same reason. I could
rationalize spending more for premium shingles, but not as much more
as a GOOD metal roof would have coar and I wasn't about to waste money
on a crappy metal roof that would look like crap within 10 years

None of ours do.

or one that looked terrible the day it was installed (barn roof)

No one has those and we don't have barns either.

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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still
have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more.
Why should I pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?

Wasnt true when the house was built, stupid.

"Maskless Sociopath" wrote in message
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On 5/21/2021 7:30 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
news
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have
a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.

More fool you. The metal roofs last FAR longer.

Mine is 50 years old now and is as good as when new.

BULL****

Fact actually. Like that or lump it.

On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:17:52 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 5/21/2021 9:56 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:46:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing industry.

Cindy Hamilton
The only way metal roofs are not significantly more expensive is if
you use "barn roofing" - AKA sheet steel - which is a common roof in
rural Australia


Would you be referring to corrugated galvanized roofing ? We used5 rib
27ga steel , with a 40 year warranty . Cost with me installing was a
little more than having someone else apply shingles - which would have a
shorter warranty period and no protection from hot embers (very rare but
...) coming from the wood stove . Green is a very popular color out here
in the woods ...
Yup - Barn Roof .Can be galvanized or galvalume - or aluminum.
Several different profiles but generally installed as single sheets
vertically the length of the roof - 4 feet wide, more or less.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:17:52 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 5/21/2021 9:56 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 02:46:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:38:14 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower
edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where
your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have
a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.
BULL****.

Do tell us about your extensive experience in the American roofing
industry.

Cindy Hamilton
The only way metal roofs are not significantly more expensive is if
you use "barn roofing" - AKA sheet steel - which is a common roof in
rural Australia


Would you be referring to corrugated galvanized roofing ? We used5 rib
27ga steel , with a 40 year warranty . Cost with me installing was a
little more than having someone else apply shingles - which would have a
shorter warranty period and no protection from hot embers (very rare but
...) coming from the wood stove . Green is a very popular color out here
in the woods ...

Yup - Barn Roof .Can be galvanized or galvalume - or aluminum.
Several different profiles but generally installed as single sheets
vertically the length of the roof - 4 feet wide, more or less.

Nobody does it like that on house roofs here anymore.

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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still
have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more.
Why should I pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?
Wasnt true when the house was built, stupid.

My house was built in 1947. Everyone before me installed asphalt
shingles. When I had it re-roofed, I would have been foolish to change to steel.
I'd never recover the additional cost.

Are you pricing the materials or the total cost of an installed roof
system?

Cindy Hamilton

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On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 12:23:42 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 09:05:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:
On 5/21/2021 7:08 AM, Larry wrote:
On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Fri, 21 May 2021 11:13:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water
shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm


For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to
protect
against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still
have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.
If I were told that my lifetime and the roofs were the same, I'd go
for the metal roof.

I have about 20 years to go before I die, maybe a bit more.
Why should I pay for a roof that will outlive me by 50 years?
Wasnt true when the house was built, stupid.

My house was built in 1947. Everyone before me installed asphalt
shingles.
When I had it re-roofed, I would have been foolish to change to steel.

Bull****.

I'd never recover the additional cost.

Thats not what its about.

Are you pricing the materials or the
total cost of an installed roof system?

The latter, because the installation costs
are much lower with metal, stupid.

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:

My house was built in 1947. Everyone before me installed asphalt
shingles.
When I had it re-roofed, I would have been foolish to change to steel.
Bull****.
I'd never recover the additional cost.
Thats not what its about.

It's always about cost, stupid. If I spend $20,000 rather than
$5,000 on a roof, then I have $15,000 less to spend on other
things that my house needs.

Every single decision involves that sort of tradeoff. That's why
we do most of our own home maintenance and improvements,
except for things that require specialized knowledge or equipment,
or things that we are physically incapable of doing.

Cindy Hamilton

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"Larry" wrote in message news On 5/21/21 12:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


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On Thu, 20 May 2021 04:34:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

--
For full context, visit
https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-3119876-.htm

For what purpose?Â*Â* Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.

More fool you. The metal roofs last FAR longer.

Mine is 50 years old now and is as good as when new.

BULL****

Fact actually. Like that or lump it.


I've never seen paint exposed to direct sunlight look "like new" after 50 years.

On 5/21/2021 11:25 PM, Joey wrote:





I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago.Â* Made no sense to spend that much more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country. If you
look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a lot of
brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them. Not readily
available in other places so they use what they could get, Just as
adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

wrote
Rod Speed wrote

My house was built in 1947. Everyone
before me installed asphalt shingles.

When I had it re-roofed, I would have
been foolish to change to steel.

Bull****.

I'd never recover the additional cost.

Thats not what its about.

It's always about cost, stupid.

Bull**** it is. If it was you'd be 'living' in a ****ing tent, stupid.

If I spend $20,000 rather than $5,000 on a roof, then I have
$15,000 less to spend on other things that my house needs.

More mindless bull****. Why is the wealthiest country
in the entire ****ing world 'living' in stupid stick
houses with stupid shingles and tiny little windows ?

Are you personally that poorly paid ? Figures.

Every single decision involves that sort of tradeoff.

Must be why you 'live' in a ****ing
tent, much cheaper than a real house.

That's why we do most of our own
home maintenance and improvements,

Sorry, didn't realise you are such a desperate pov on the minimum wage.

except for things that require specialized knowledge or equipment,
or things that we are physically incapable of doing.

Sorry, didn't realise you are such a desperate pov on the minimum wage.

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 12:41:23 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote

My house was built in 1947. Everyone
before me installed asphalt shingles.

When I had it re-roofed, I would have
been foolish to change to steel.

Bull****.

I'd never recover the additional cost.

Thats not what its about.

It's always about cost, stupid.
Bull**** it is. If it was you'd be 'living' in a ****ing tent, stupid.
If I spend $20,000 rather than $5,000 on a roof, then I have
$15,000 less to spend on other things that my house needs.
More mindless bull****. Why is the wealthiest country
in the entire ****ing world 'living' in stupid stick
houses with stupid shingles and tiny little windows ?

I live in a masonry house.

Are you personally that poorly paid ? Figures.

I'm an engineer. Before my husband retired, he was an engineer.
We have plenty of money, but no desire to waste it.

Every single decision involves that sort of tradeoff.

It's about optimization. Everybody, everywhere, building anything
trades off features or convenience for cost.

Cindy Hamilton