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For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to
protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the
lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's
where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still
have a
roof.

Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid
shingles.

About $20 thousand more.

BULL****.


I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.

More fool you. The metal roofs last FAR longer.

Mine is 50 years old now and is as good as when new.

BULL****


Fact actually. Like that or lump it.


I've never seen paint exposed to direct sunlight look "like new" after 50
years.


Mine isnt painted, its a flat roof. Not even visible from the ground.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.


Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.


Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.


Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings dont actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.


Everyone has some clay not too far away.

Not readily available in other places


BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,


Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.


You dont have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.

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My house was built in 1947. Everyone
before me installed asphalt shingles.


When I had it re-roofed, I would have
been foolish to change to steel.


Bull****.


I'd never recover the additional cost.


Thats not what its about.


It's always about cost, stupid.


Bull**** it is. If it was you'd be 'living' in a ****ing tent, stupid.


If I spend $20,000 rather than $5,000 on a roof, then I have
$15,000 less to spend on other things that my house needs.


More mindless bull****. Why is the wealthiest country
in the entire ****ing world 'living' in stupid stick
houses with stupid shingles and tiny little windows ?


I live in a masonry house.


So you were mindlessly bull****ting when you
stupidly claimed that its always about cost.

Are you personally that poorly paid ? Figures.


I'm an engineer. Before my husband retired, he was an engineer.
We have plenty of money, but no desire to waste it.


But you clearly did on that masonry house you
pathetic excuse for a mindless bull**** artist.

Every single decision involves that sort of tradeoff.


It's about optimization. Everybody, everywhere, building
anything trades off features or convenience for cost.


And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.

Some engineer you two are.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago.Â* Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.


Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.


Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings dont actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are
a lot of brick homes.Â* You need clay and kilns to make them.


Everyone has some clay not too far away.

Not readily available in other places


BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.


Such a shame you were not available to show them how to do this
economically all over the country. The housing industry would be far
different today. With a nuke powered kiln they could knock out millions
of bricks.
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On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 12:15:08 AM UTC-4, Jannes wrote:
do you need to cut up 2' of siding to install ice and water shield?

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For what purpose? Around here it's installed on roofs to protect against
ice damming.
And per code it has to be installed up the roof plane from the lower edge
until
it's 2 feet past the inside heated space below. Maybe that's where your
2 feet is
coming from?

Here they want the membrane to cover the entire roof.
This is what I needed on my addition.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addition/dry%20in.jpg

It is so, when the hurricane blows the shingles off, you still have a
roof.


Makes a lot more sense to have metal decking instead of stupid shingles.


About $20 thousand more.


The Amish will do it cheaper... I don't know how much cheaper. Do you have
Amish people down there? Probably not many.

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My house was built in 1947. Everyone
before me installed asphalt shingles.


When I had it re-roofed, I would have
been foolish to change to steel.


Bull****.


I'd never recover the additional cost.


That?s not what its about.


It's always about cost, stupid.

Bull**** it is. If it was you'd be 'living' in a ****ing tent, stupid.
If I spend $20,000 rather than $5,000 on a roof, then I have
$15,000 less to spend on other things that my house needs.

More mindless bull****. Why is the wealthiest country
in the entire ****ing world 'living' in stupid stick
houses with stupid shingles and tiny little windows ?


I live in a masonry house.

Are you personally that poorly paid ? Figures.


I'm an engineer. Before my husband retired, he was an engineer.
We have plenty of money, but no desire to waste it.

Every single decision involves that sort of tradeoff.


It's about optimization. Everybody, everywhere, building anything
trades off features or convenience for cost.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.


Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings dont actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.


Everyone has some clay not too far away.

Not readily available in other places


BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.


Such a shame you were not available to show them how to do this
economically all over the country.


They dont because so many of you fools go for cheap
and nasty timber and siding houses and trailer parks.

The housing industry would be far different today.


It would indeed, and do much better in tornados too.

With a nuke powered kiln they could knock out millions of bricks.


They could indeed, but you lot are too stupid to build new nukes
anymore and build stupid EVs and use stupid shingles instead.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago.Â* Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings dont actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there
are a lot of brick homes.Â* You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.


Such a shame you were not available to show them how to do this
economically all over the country.


They dont because so many of you fools go for cheap
and nasty timber and siding houses and trailer parks.

The housing industry would be far different today.


It would indeed, and do much better in tornados too.

With a nuke powered kiln they could knock out millions of bricks.


They could indeed, but you lot are too stupid to build new nukes
anymore and build stupid EVs and use stupid shingles instead.


Nothing wrong with brick houses but it is not as simple as you seem to
think it is. We have people living in tents because they cannot afford
a lace to live. Brick hoses cost more to build and would be out of
reach for many.

Other considerations are labor, skills, material availability.

The last two houses I built were Insulated Concrete Forms, ICFs.
Strong, fast, well insulated and economical. There are a dozen
suppliers, each with different methods and advantages, all good.
Polysteel, Standard ICF, Build Block Phil-Insul for starters.
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On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 12:41:23 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
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My house was built in 1947. Everyone
before me installed asphalt shingles.


When I had it re-roofed, I would have
been foolish to change to steel.


Bull****.


I'd never recover the additional cost.


That’s not what its about.


It's always about cost, stupid.

Bull**** it is. If it was you'd be 'living' in a ****ing tent, stupid.
If I spend $20,000 rather than $5,000 on a roof, then I have
$15,000 less to spend on other things that my house needs.

More mindless bull****. Why is the wealthiest country
in the entire ****ing world 'living' in stupid stick
houses with stupid shingles and tiny little windows ?


I live in a masonry house.

Are you personally that poorly paid ? Figures.


I'm an engineer. Before my husband retired, he was an engineer.
We have plenty of money, but no desire to waste it.

Every single decision involves that sort of tradeoff.


It's about optimization. Everybody, everywhere, building anything
trades off features or convenience for cost.

Cindy Hamilton

Masonty with it's thermal mass works well in some climates - not so
well in others. Stick frame allows for easy insulation - brick veneer
makes a durable outer finish that also blocks wind well. Aluminum
siding also works good where there are no impact issues - Vinyl is not
as durable but withstands minor impacts. Neither require regular
applications of paint to protect.

My house is stick framed with brick veneer on the first storey and
aluminum siding on the upper floor.

ICF construction has the advantages of high insulation and thermal
mass but requires protective coating inside and out - siding and
stucco are commonly used on the exterior - also Brick veneer.
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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.


Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.


Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don’t actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.


Everyone has some clay not too far away.



No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance - and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine, commercially grown
and cut, shipped in from across the country. Still cheaper than
shipping bricks - and less loss from shipping damage.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete - where clay is
not common various aggregates (including recycled concrete) can be
used

Not readily available in other places


BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,


Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.


You don’t have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.


The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft yellow
clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the houses were
built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar. (double brick -
lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber framed interior
partitions, floors, and roof structure) My uncles home out on the
sakatchewan prairie on the other hand was built of lumber shipped in
by rail from out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate are
and were extremely scarce out there.
These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years the brick veneer is
autoclaved concrete brick manufacturde one city away - less than 30
miles. The original shingles were manufactured less than 100 miles
away. The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also produced
(from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.

These distances would all be considered pretty much "local" by
Australian standards, no????


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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.


Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.


Everyone has some clay not too far away.



No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to **** but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.

Not readily available in other places


BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,


Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.


You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.


The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.

These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.

The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.



No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to **** but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,

Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.


The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.

These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.

The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.


Concrete block is the go to material for houses these days here. It is
easier to get to the 150+ MPH wind code with CBS. Brick would come
from 600 miles away and is far more labor intensive than block. You
also have trouble with the wind code. You probably just use the brick
for a decorative coating on the block walls.
Tile roofs sound great but the reality is they don't seem to hold up
much better than top grade shingles and they are far more expensive to
fix when a coconut hits it at 100 MPH.
They are still real popular with the northerners who come down and
think that is the "Florida Style".
Zorro ain't from Florida.
The only problem with metal is the price. It is at least twice as much
as the best shingles and 40-50% more than tile the last time I priced
it out.
These days you need the same membrane under all of them (like "Ice and
Water")
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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.



No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.


Really? 400+ tons of brick is "trivial" to move?

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.


Good thing. That would be a waste of good wood.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to **** but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.


Go for it.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.


Breakage is fairly common but not a high percentage.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.


Ugly!

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.
so they use what they could get,

Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.


The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.


Good thing. A friend has horse hair plaster. What a mess.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.


Who cares? I won't be around in 50 years.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.


Aluminum is dumb. Even smallish hail will completely destroy it, not
to mention a little wind. One of the purposes of rocks on shingles
(or membrane, for that matter) is weight.
These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.


The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.


Again, who cares?
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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago.Â* Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.


Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings dont actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there
are a lot of brick homes.Â* You need clay and kilns to make them.


Everyone has some clay not too far away.

Not readily available in other places


BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.


Such a shame you were not available to show them how to do this
economically all over the country.Â* The housing industry would be far
different today.Â* With a nuke powered kiln they could knock out millions
of bricks.


And they can make the bricks stay warm forever.

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On Sun, 23 May 2021 03:17:43 +1000, "Joey" wrote:



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On 5/21/2021 11:25 PM, Joey wrote:





I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago.Â* Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there
are a
lot of brick homes.Â* You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.



No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep.Â* Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to **** but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.

Many bricks today areÂ* "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,

Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.


The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

Â*These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.

These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.

The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.



And earthquakes are so much fun in brick houses.



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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are
a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.


No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to **** but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,

Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.

The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.

These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.

The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.


Concrete block is the go to material for houses these days here.


Not here, tho it should be. Brick veneer is still by far the majority here.

It is easier to get to the 150+ MPH wind code with
CBS. Brick would come from 600 miles away


We used to have a local brickworks but don't anymore.

and is far more labor intensive than block.


Yeah massive great 8x8x16" blocks go up much more quickly.

Bit of a bugger lifting them up to eye level at the end of the
day in the top course tho. The bricklayers don't like them.

You also have trouble with the wind code.


Not here. Brick veneer and double brick works fine.

You probably just use the brick for a
decorative coating on the block walls.


Never seen that done here.

Tile roofs sound great but the reality is they don't
seem to hold up much better than top grade shingles


That's bull****. Never seen one need to be replaced here.

and they are far more expensive to
fix when a coconut hits it at 100 MPH.


That's bull**** too. You just have some extras and
replace what gets lost. No flying coconuts here.

They are still real popular with the northerners who
come down and think that is the "Florida Style".
Zorro ain't from Florida.


The only problem with metal is the price.


Just as true of shingles compared with a tent.

It is at least twice as much as the best shingles


Bull**** when you include the cost of what is under
the shingles and the labour. And metal lasts lots
more than twice as long as the best shingles.

and 40-50% more than tile the last time I priced it out.


Nope, and ditto with whats under them and the labour cost.

These days you need the same membrane
under all of them (like "Ice and Water")


Not under metal decking you don't.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are
a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.


No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.


Really? 400+ tons of brick is "trivial" to move?


It isnt anything like 400+ tons for a house,
just one semi load, not even a B double.

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.


Good thing. That would be a waste of good wood.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to shift but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.


Go for it.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.


Breakage is fairly common


Bull**** it is.

but not a high percentage.


Its zero actually.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.


Ugly!


Bull****.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.
so they use what they could get,

Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.

The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.


Good thing. A friend has horse hair plaster. What a mess.


And horse hair is a bit thin on the ground now too.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.


Who cares?


Those who inherit or buy the house, that's who.

I won't be around in 50 years.


Just as true of a tent.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.


Aluminum is dumb. Even smallish hail will completely destroy it,


Oh bull****.

not to mention a little wind.


More pig ignorant bull****.

One of the purposes of rocks on shingles
(or membrane, for that matter) is weight.


Still cheap and nasty. Like a tent is too.

These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.


The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.


Again, who cares?


Anyone with even half a clue, that's who.

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On 5/21/2021 11:25 PM, Joey wrote:





I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost
of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago. Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don't actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there are
a
lot of brick homes. You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.


No, many areas have NO clay within a reasonable distance


Trivial to move the finished bricks from
where they do to where the house is.

- and when
forested land was cut to provide farm land there was lots of timber
litterally at the doorstep. Many houses were built from chestnut,
walnut, maple, birch, ironwood etc where those were the predominant
species. In other areas they were built of sprice and pine and hemlock
and fir.


And that isnt how stick houses are done anymore in the entire USA.

Today that is less common - with spruce and pine,
commercially grown and cut, shipped in from across
the country. Still cheaper than shipping bricks


Tents are even cheaper to **** but for some odd reason
few do actually choose to have one instead of a house.

- and less loss from shipping damage.


No bricks are lost to shipping damage when shipped properly.

Many bricks today are "fired" or autoclaved concrete
- where clay is not common various aggregates
(including recycled concrete) can be used


Yep, my house is much bigger concrete blocks,
shipped from 250 away because they were much
better from there than the locally made ones.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.

so they use what they could get,

Bull**** they do with timber, sidings, stupid shingles etc etc etc.

Just as adobe and igloos, you build with what you have.

You don't have timber, metal, shingles etc, stupid. You move
them from where they happen to be to where you need them.

Tad radical I realise.

The homes I grew up in were built with locally produced soft
yellow clay brick - produced less than 10 miles from where the
houses were built - and locally harvested yellow pine and cedar.
(double brick - lath and plaster finish on the inside - timber
framed interior partitions, floors, and roof structure)


That last isnt common at all in the USA anymore.

Neither is lath and plaster either. The world has moved on.

My uncles home out on the sakatchewan prairie on the
other hand was built of lumber shipped in by rail from
out of province as timber, clay, and gravel aggregate
are and were extremely scarce out there.


But easy to ship bricks and that's a small part
of the cost of the bricks even a semi is used.

These were houses built between 1870 and 1942.


And the world has moved on just a tad since then.

The home I have lived in for the last 40 years
the brick veneer is autoclaved concrete brick
manufacturde one city away - less than 30 miles.
The original shingles were manufactured less
than 100 miles away.


And a metal roof would have lasted a lot longer.

The lumber was shipped by rail or truck across the province -
about 300 miles or less away. The aluminum siding was also
produced (from sheet) less than 150 miles away. It was built in 1974.


But the aluminium would have come far further.

These distances would all be considered pretty
much "local" by Australian standards, no????


Nope, not with the state capitals. But with those
the lumber does move much further than the
bricks do. The aluminium vastly further when
you count the bauxite. The steel for what is
now almost universally used for the roofs too.
Most used to be clay or concrete tiles for
decades but they arent common at all anymore.

The roofs are colorbond which even Trump
recognised. Last much longer than stupid
shingles.



And earthquakes are so much fun in brick houses.


Tents do better than stick houses too. They do have a few downsides tho.


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And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.

Some engineer you two are.


I didn't know it was masonry until after we signed the papers.
It never occurred to me to ask; I assumed it was stick-built.

In retrospect, I would have preferred a stick-built house. For one
thing, I'd be able to insulate the exterior walls so I wouldn't have
R1 walls. For another, we wouldn't have to rent a diamond-bit
core drill every time we want to make some kind hole in the
house.

Why should I pay a premium for a steel roof when shingles will
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And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.


Some engineer you two are.


I didn't know it was masonry until after we signed the papers.
It never occurred to me to ask; I assumed it was stick-built.


Some engineer you are.

In retrospect, I would have preferred a stick-built house.


More fool you.

For one thing, I'd be able to insulate the
exterior walls so I wouldn't have R1 walls.


You can with masonry walls.

For another, we wouldn't have to rent
a diamond-bit core drill every time we
want to make some kind hole in the house.


You dont.

Why should I pay a premium for a steel roof
when shingles will outlive me anyway?


Because it isnt just about you, stupid. Some engineer you are.



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And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.


Some engineer you two are.


I didn't know it was masonry until after we signed the papers.
It never occurred to me to ask; I assumed it was stick-built.

Some engineer you are.
In retrospect, I would have preferred a stick-built house.

More fool you.
For one thing, I'd be able to insulate the
exterior walls so I wouldn't have R1 walls.

You can with masonry walls.


I would have to pull down the ancient drywall, fur out the
walls, and replace the drywall. Not a job I'm interested
in undertaking.

For another, we wouldn't have to rent
a diamond-bit core drill every time we
want to make some kind hole in the house.

You dont.


How should I make those penetrations, then? First I
have to go through the split fieldstone veneer, then
through the concrete block.

Why should I pay a premium for a steel roof
when shingles will outlive me anyway?

Because it isnt just about you, stupid. Some engineer you are.


It is just about me. What happens to this house after I die is
of no concern to me.

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wrote
Rod Speed wrote


And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.


Some engineer you two are.


I didn't know it was masonry until after we signed the papers.
It never occurred to me to ask; I assumed it was stick-built.


Some engineer you are.


In retrospect, I would have preferred a stick-built house.


More fool you.


For one thing, I'd be able to insulate the
exterior walls so I wouldn't have R1 walls.


You can with masonry walls.


I would have to pull down the ancient drywall,


Nope.

fur out the walls, and replace the drywall.


Nope.

Not a job I'm interested in undertaking.


Some engineer you are.

For another, we wouldn't have to rent
a diamond-bit core drill every time we
want to make some kind hole in the house.


You dont.


How should I make those penetrations, then?


Use an SDS.

Or buy a cheap diamond bit.

First I have to go through the split fieldstone
veneer, then through the concrete block.


And SDS will do that fine.

Why should I pay a premium for a steel roof
when shingles will outlive me anyway?


Because it isnt just about you, stupid. Some engineer you are.


It is just about me.


Nope.

What happens to this house after
I die is of no concern to me.


Some engineer you are.

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Rod Speed wrote


And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.


Some engineer you two are.


I didn't know it was masonry until after we signed the papers.
It never occurred to me to ask; I assumed it was stick-built.


Some engineer you are.


In retrospect, I would have preferred a stick-built house.


More fool you.


For one thing, I'd be able to insulate the
exterior walls so I wouldn't have R1 walls.


You can with masonry walls.


I would have to pull down the ancient drywall,

Nope.
fur out the walls, and replace the drywall.

Nope.
Not a job I'm interested in undertaking.

Some engineer you are.
For another, we wouldn't have to rent
a diamond-bit core drill every time we
want to make some kind hole in the house.


You dont.


How should I make those penetrations, then?

Use an SDS.

Or buy a cheap diamond bit.
First I have to go through the split fieldstone
veneer, then through the concrete block.

And SDS will do that fine.
Why should I pay a premium for a steel roof
when shingles will outlive me anyway?


Because it isnt just about you, stupid. Some engineer you are.


It is just about me.

Nope.
What happens to this house after
I die is of no concern to me.

Some engineer you are.


Although I dearly love debating on Usenet, you aren't presenting
any arguments for doing what you advocate. You're just mindlessly
repeating that I'm not much of an engineer.

Fail.

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Rod Speed wrote


And you sensibly went for a masonry house, but were
stupid enough to use stupid shingles for the roof.


Some engineer you two are.


I didn't know it was masonry until after we signed the papers.
It never occurred to me to ask; I assumed it was stick-built.


Some engineer you are.


In retrospect, I would have preferred a stick-built house.


More fool you.


For one thing, I'd be able to insulate the
exterior walls so I wouldn't have R1 walls.


You can with masonry walls.


I would have to pull down the ancient drywall,

Nope.
fur out the walls, and replace the drywall.

Nope.
Not a job I'm interested in undertaking.

Some engineer you are.
For another, we wouldn't have to rent
a diamond-bit core drill every time we
want to make some kind hole in the house.


You dont.


How should I make those penetrations, then?

Use an SDS.

Or buy a cheap diamond bit.
First I have to go through the split fieldstone
veneer, then through the concrete block.

And SDS will do that fine.
Why should I pay a premium for a steel roof
when shingles will outlive me anyway?


Because it isnt just about you, stupid. Some engineer you are.


It is just about me.

Nope.
What happens to this house after
I die is of no concern to me.

Some engineer you are.


Although I dearly love debating on Usenet, you aren't
presenting any arguments for doing what you advocate.


Everyone can see that you are lying thru your ****ing
teeth with how to make a hole in the exterior wall alone.

You're just mindlessly repeating that
I'm not much of an engineer.


I am stating the fact with a clown that doesnt even
check what the construction is of the house they are
buying and just stupidly assumes it is stick built.

Fail.


The only thing you did manage is to get your sig right.



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Concrete block is the go to material for houses these days here.


Not here, tho it should be. Brick veneer is still by far the majority here.

It is easier to get to the 150+ MPH wind code with
CBS. Brick would come from 600 miles away


We used to have a local brickworks but don't anymore.

and is far more labor intensive than block.


Yeah massive great 8x8x16" blocks go up much more quickly.

Bit of a bugger lifting them up to eye level at the end of the
day in the top course tho. The bricklayers don't like them.

Building is not for wimps.

You also have trouble with the wind code.


Not here. Brick veneer and double brick works fine.


You probably don't even have a wind code but how do you do uplift
protection with bricks?
With block you can pour the top 16" solid concrete with four #5 rebar
in it that is rebar tied to the foundation steel via poured cells in
the block.

You probably just use the brick for a
decorative coating on the block walls.


Never seen that done here.

Tile roofs sound great but the reality is they don't
seem to hold up much better than top grade shingles


That's bull****. Never seen one need to be replaced here.


You must not be looking.

and they are far more expensive to
fix when a coconut hits it at 100 MPH.


That's bull**** too. You just have some extras and
replace what gets lost. No flying coconuts here.

Uh huh.

They are still real popular with the northerners who
come down and think that is the "Florida Style".
Zorro ain't from Florida.


The only problem with metal is the price.


Just as true of shingles compared with a tent.

It is at least twice as much as the best shingles


Bull**** when you include the cost of what is under
the shingles and the labour. And metal lasts lots
more than twice as long as the best shingles.

and 40-50% more than tile the last time I priced it out.


Nope, and ditto with whats under them and the labour cost.

These days you need the same membrane
under all of them (like "Ice and Water")


Not under metal decking you don't.


You really build cracker boxes down there don't you?

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Concrete block is the go to material for houses these days here.


Not here, tho it should be. Brick veneer is still by far the majority
here.


It is easier to get to the 150+ MPH wind code with
CBS. Brick would come from 600 miles away


We used to have a local brickworks but don't anymore.


They couldn't compete with much bigger brickworks
variety of bricks wise and on price too even with the
cost of shipping from hundreds of km away.

and is far more labor intensive than block.


Yeah massive great 8x8x16" blocks go up much more quickly.


Bit of a bugger lifting them up to eye level at the end of the
day in the top course tho. The bricklayers don't like them.


Building is not for wimps.


It is with stick built and to a lesser extent bricks.

You also have trouble with the wind code.


Not here. Brick veneer and double brick works fine.


You probably don't even have a wind code


We do actually. We get the same result you do,
we just call them cyclones. Wiped out Darwin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Tracy
It was mostly stick built. We get not quite to
dramatic ones quite a few times every summer.
The one that took out vast numbers of trees
which had been fine for decades here wasn't
actually a cyclone but was very destructive.

but how do you do uplift protection with bricks?


Don't need to, the bricks have ties to the frame
behind it with brick veneer and external brick
walls have legal requirement for peers etc.

With block you can pour the top 16" solid concrete
with four #5 rebar in it that is rebar tied to the
foundation steel via poured cells in the block.


That isnt required here.

You probably just use the brick for a
decorative coating on the block walls.


Never seen that done here.


Tile roofs sound great but the reality is they don't
seem to hold up much better than top grade shingles


That's bull****. Never seen one need to be replaced here.


You must not be looking.


Fraid I do. They stand out like dogs balls.

We do them properly in the first place.

and they are far more expensive to
fix when a coconut hits it at 100 MPH.


That's bull**** too. You just have some extras and
replace what gets lost. No flying coconuts here.


Uh huh.


They are still real popular with the northerners
who come down and think that is the "Florida
Style". Zorro ain't from Florida.


The only problem with metal is the price.


Just as true of shingles compared with a tent.


It is at least twice as much as the best shingles


Bull**** when you include the cost of what is under
the shingles and the labour. And metal lasts lots
more than twice as long as the best shingles.


and 40-50% more than tile the last time I priced it out.


Nope, and ditto with whats under them and the labour cost.


These days you need the same membrane
under all of them (like "Ice and Water")


Not under metal decking you don't.


You really build cracker boxes down there don't you?


Nothing even remotely like a cracker box
you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

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I priced a hidden-fastner metal roof install and it was twice the
cost of the GAF Timberline shingles. Guess which I chose.


Did the same about 20 years ago.* Made no sense to spend that much
more.

Corse it does when it lasts much longer.
Mine is just as good as it was when new,
now 50 years later.

Same with bricks instead of the stupid
timber you fools use for the walls too.

Bricks were not readily available in many parts of the country.

Only because you fools do your houses using
cheap and nasty timber and sidings. And even
you should have noticed that the timber and
sidings don’t actually come from some forest
down the road. Iron ore mine in spades.

If you look at much of the northeast from Boston to Virginia there
are a lot of brick homes.* You need clay and kilns to make them.

Everyone has some clay not too far away.

Not readily available in other places

BULL**** with the clay and even you should
be able to work out how to make a kiln.


Such a shame you were not available to show them how to do this
economically all over the country.* The housing industry would be far
different today.* With a nuke powered kiln they could knock out millions
of bricks.


And they can make the bricks stay warm forever.


And light the house.
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