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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 16:54:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"micky" wrote in message
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:22:10 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier
than
my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My
second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How
nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out
is
a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite
remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we
don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that
supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio,
geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than
anything
else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the
middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out
a
uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here
in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000
calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in
the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes
of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer
them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where
you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.


If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

I think if that happened, there would be more people in line than there
are people to give shots.

One of Biden's ideas is to allow doctors and nurses to give shots
anywhere in the country, even where they are not licensed. In order to
get more retired drs. and nurses involved, many of whom move to Florida,
Arizona etc. when they retire. I think this would only make a 10 or
20% increase, even if most retired folk volunteered.

Do they teach people in the army and national guard to give shots?

Yes with their medics.

They will need to waive some rules if they
want the military to actually do the injections.

Bull****.

My niece's kid was a navy corpsman and when
she got out, she had to go to real nursing school
before she could really do anything to a civilian

That's not true of vaccination, stupid.

although she had been a working as a nurse for 3 years
in a military hospital and a corpsman on a ship for 2.

On 1/29/2021 8:54 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 08:07:18 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 7:43 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.
How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for medical
advice? :-)

I don't think the root of his problems is his medical plan. Calling a 95%
effective vaccine a slot machine says it all.


Even 50% is a huge step towards "herd immunity".

That assumes 100% are vaccinated.

No, it does not. Every inoculation moves us a bit further in that
direction. It is NOT all or nothing. Just like wearing masks and social
distancing.

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:43:23 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.
How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for medical
advice? :-)

I don't think the root of his problems is his medical plan. Calling a 95%
effective vaccine a slot machine says it all.

Why not?
Putting your quarter in a slot machine is ~95% effective over time.
(at least the ones close to the door) Statistically you get back about
95% of what you put in.
C-19 Covid vaccine protects about 95% of those vaccinated.

Just like the slots you can have a lucky streak and
vaccinate 475 people with no infections and the
next 25 you vaccinate could get infected next week.

Vaccination doesn't work like that.

It is going to be more random tho.

More utterly mindless pig ignorant ****.

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 08:07:18 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 7:43 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.
How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for
medical
advice? :-)

I don't think the root of his problems is his medical plan. Calling a
95%
effective vaccine a slot machine says it all.


Even 50% is a huge step towards "herd immunity".

That assumes 100% are vaccinated.

Nope

It is a first step anyway. Fauci and the boys
can't make up their mind where herd immunity
is and whether reinfection with mutant
strains is going to be a problem.

That last is only true of the most recent most
severe mutations and is true because they havent
been around long enough to know yet, stupid.

I do think this vaccination thing is going
to be a yearly ritual, just like the flu.

More fool you.

Hopefully it will be more effective
and more widely accepted.

Because is a much more serious disease
and vastly more infectious, stupid.

"Bob F" wrote in message
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On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier
than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My
second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How
nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is
a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite
remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't
have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply
won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio,
geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than
anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the
middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a
uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here
in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000
calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in
the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes
of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where
you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to
give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military,
looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump
last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.

How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

It isnt just one of them.

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:52:54 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:40:00 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/29/2021 10:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:


We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already
in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5
either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to
give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military,
looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump
last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.





As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded

It's not and it's not so easily expanded. You and I can't give a
vaccine.

Why not? I've given hundreds of injections. You can learn how quickly
too. My neighbor next door has too. Between the two of us our
community could be done in a day or two. The pharmacy a mile from me
has at least two people, maybe three that can pitch in.

I haven't given hundreds, but I've given dozens. Technically, it's not at
all difficult, but I get it that the authorities don't want random people
doing it.

The medical profession doesn't want unlicensed people
doing it and they control the number of licenses.

But they don't get to require that only the licensed can vaccinate.

Just talk to military medics who know how to treat a sucking
chest wound but they are not allowed to draw blood from a
civilian until they get a license from the profession.

Irrelevant to who can vaccinate.

"Bob F" wrote in message
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On 1/29/2021 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:43:23 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.
How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for
medical
advice? :-)

I don't think the root of his problems is his medical plan. Calling a
95%
effective vaccine a slot machine says it all.

Why not?
Putting your quarter in a slot machine is ~95% effective over time.
(at least the ones close to the door) Statistically you get back about
95% of what you put in.
C-19 Covid vaccine protects about 95% of those vaccinated.
Just like the slots you can have a lucky streak and vaccinate 475
people with no infections and the next 25 you vaccinate could get
infected next week. It is going to be more random tho.


The current vaccines protect 95% of people from significant infections.

Wrong, not all of them protect 95% of those vaccinated
and they protect against severe disease, not infection.

In the initial testing of the pfizer vaccine, of he 42,000 people they
administered the 2 doses to, there was ONE "serious" case.

Not even one got severe disease.

That is NO SLOT MACHNE.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 23:09:09 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 23:41:15 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.

How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for medical
advice? :-)

Who asked anything? I was just repeating what Lester Holt said on the
news last night.
Tonight someone else said the current shot might even be 65% effective
on the Brazil strain.
I wonder what the wild assed guess will be tomorrow?

Science my ass. You would be better off seeing what the Vegas odds are
on vaccines.

No offense, Greg, but your stubborn ignorance really gets tiresome.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:00:06 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:52:54 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:40:00 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/29/2021 10:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.





As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded

It's not and it's not so easily expanded. You and I can't give a vaccine.

Why not? I've given hundreds of injections. You can learn how quickly
too. My neighbor next door has too. Between the two of us our
community could be done in a day or two. The pharmacy a mile from me
has at least two people, maybe three that can pitch in.

I haven't given hundreds, but I've given dozens. Technically, it's not at
all difficult, but I get it that the authorities don't want random people
doing it.

The medical profession doesn't want unlicensed people doing it and
they control the number of licenses.

That's what I said.

Just talk to military medics who know how to treat a sucking chest
wound but they are not allowed to draw blood from a civilian until
they get a license from the profession.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:03:24 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:43:23 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.
How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for medical
advice? :-)

I don't think the root of his problems is his medical plan. Calling a 95%
effective vaccine a slot machine says it all.

Why not?
Putting your quarter in a slot machine is ~95% effective over time.
(at least the ones close to the door) Statistically you get back about
95% of what you put in.
C-19 Covid vaccine protects about 95% of those vaccinated.
Just like the slots you can have a lucky streak and vaccinate 475
people with no infections and the next 25 you vaccinate could get
infected next week. It is going to be more random tho.



The current vaccines protect 95% of people from significant infections.
In the initial testing of the pfizer vaccine, of he 42,000 people they
administered the 2 doses to, there was ONE "serious" case. That is NO
SLOT MACHNE.

How sick is "serious" and how many people can they infect?

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile Australian asshole's latest troll**** unread

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On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:03:24 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:43:23 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:11:15 -0500, wrote:

Should we wait until we get a vaccine that prevents the Brazil
mutation?
The current one is predicted as being 50% effective, a coin toss.
The effectiveness on the C-19 is 95%. A slot machine.
How bad is your medical plan if you have to come here to ask for
medical
advice? :-)

I don't think the root of his problems is his medical plan. Calling a
95%
effective vaccine a slot machine says it all.

Why not?
Putting your quarter in a slot machine is ~95% effective over time.
(at least the ones close to the door) Statistically you get back about
95% of what you put in.
C-19 Covid vaccine protects about 95% of those vaccinated.
Just like the slots you can have a lucky streak and vaccinate 475
people with no infections and the next 25 you vaccinate could get
infected next week. It is going to be more random tho.



The current vaccines protect 95% of people from significant infections.
In the initial testing of the pfizer vaccine, of he 42,000 people they
administered the 2 doses to, there was ONE "serious" case. That is NO
SLOT MACHNE.

How sick is "serious"

Needing hospital.

and how many people can they infect?

We don't know that yet.

FLUSH the trolling senile Australian asshole's latest troll**** unread

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MID:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 16:15:43 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

It isnt just one of them.

Regardless of what was being said: auto-contradict you must, you clinically
insane sociopathic senile swine!

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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:00:11 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

Get the **** out of ngs meant for humans only, you subnormal sociopathic
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:37:47 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:00:06 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:52:54 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:40:00 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/29/2021 10:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.





As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded

It's not and it's not so easily expanded. You and I can't give a vaccine.

Why not? I've given hundreds of injections. You can learn how quickly
too. My neighbor next door has too. Between the two of us our
community could be done in a day or two. The pharmacy a mile from me
has at least two people, maybe three that can pitch in.

I haven't given hundreds, but I've given dozens. Technically, it's not at
all difficult, but I get it that the authorities don't want random people
doing it.

The medical profession doesn't want unlicensed people doing it and
they control the number of licenses.

That's what I said.
I was agreeing with you.

On 1/29/2021 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.


We don't have a hurricane season, or Publix, or dry ice at the drug
stores. I suspect that is true many places.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:57:45 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/29/2021 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.

We don't have a hurricane season, or Publix, or dry ice at the drug
stores. I suspect that is true many places.

We don't have any of those things, but the grocery store where I shop
has both dry ice and a pharmacy.

The point is, the super-cold freezers are not all that specialized. I can't
quite recall where you live, or I'd google "dry ice near me" for you. I did
that for myself, and came up with the grocery chain where I shop, a bunch
of welding supply and ice wholesalers, and Washtenaw Dairy, which is
a local small-batch ice cream maker.

Cindy Hamilton

On 1/30/2021 7:11 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:57:45 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/29/2021 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.

We don't have a hurricane season, or Publix, or dry ice at the drug
stores. I suspect that is true many places.

We don't have any of those things, but the grocery store where I shop
has both dry ice and a pharmacy.

The point is, the super-cold freezers are not all that specialized. I can't
quite recall where you live, or I'd google "dry ice near me" for you. I did
that for myself, and came up with the grocery chain where I shop, a bunch
of welding supply and ice wholesalers, and Washtenaw Dairy, which is
a local small-batch ice cream maker.

Cindy Hamilton


I strongly suspect that the "standard" dry ice freezer is well enough
regulated for long term storage of the vaccine. Too cold, or too warm
ruins it for both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:00:28 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/30/2021 7:11 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:57:45 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/29/2021 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.

We don't have a hurricane season, or Publix, or dry ice at the drug
stores. I suspect that is true many places.

We don't have any of those things, but the grocery store where I shop
has both dry ice and a pharmacy.

The point is, the super-cold freezers are not all that specialized. I can't
quite recall where you live, or I'd google "dry ice near me" for you. I did
that for myself, and came up with the grocery chain where I shop, a bunch
of welding supply and ice wholesalers, and Washtenaw Dairy, which is
a local small-batch ice cream maker.

Cindy Hamilton

I strongly suspect that the "standard" dry ice freezer is well enough
regulated for long term storage of the vaccine. Too cold, or too warm
ruins it for both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

It doesn't have to be long term storage. Just long enough to keep a
single delivery fresh until they can stick it in folks' arms.

It would be nice to be at the point where this was of more than
academic interest. While the supply of the vaccine is the bottleneck,
it really doesn't matter whether there's a place to store it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 06:57:40 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.


We don't have a hurricane season, or Publix, or dry ice at the drug
stores. I suspect that is true many places.

I only know about Florida but that big cooler they store dry ice in
can't cost more than a Yeti.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:00:21 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/30/2021 7:11 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:57:45 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/29/2021 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:35 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:39:24 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 11:22:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

Say what now? Even with unlimited supply, there is limited ability to give
the shot. Which is why Biden is now turning to FEMA, the military, looking for
retired docs, nurses, etc. All that should have been done by Trump last summer.
Instead he ignored Covid and was holding death rallies.

What's wrong with all of the pharmacies in drug stores, grocery stores
and other big boxes? They manage to vaccinate 150-200 million people
every year who just walk up and get their shots. (Flu, Shingles,
Pneumonia, Hep A&B, HPV and a host of others).
Getting FEMA involved just adds another layer of bureaucracy and
incompetence.
We have dealt with them several times here after hurricanes. Walmart
and Publix are open selling us what we need the next day. It is a week
or two before FEMA shows up.
They are great about hauling away debris but it takes 2 months before
they get here.


How many of those pharmacies have the specialized super cold freezers
needed for one of the vaccines.

Every Publix I have ever been in sells dry ice. That cooler is plenty
cold enough and it is on wheels. They can roll it into the pharmacy
and lock it up. We don't need dry ice until hurricane season.

We don't have a hurricane season, or Publix, or dry ice at the drug
stores. I suspect that is true many places.

We don't have any of those things, but the grocery store where I shop
has both dry ice and a pharmacy.

The point is, the super-cold freezers are not all that specialized. I can't
quite recall where you live, or I'd google "dry ice near me" for you. I did
that for myself, and came up with the grocery chain where I shop, a bunch
of welding supply and ice wholesalers, and Washtenaw Dairy, which is
a local small-batch ice cream maker.

Cindy Hamilton


I strongly suspect that the "standard" dry ice freezer is well enough
regulated for long term storage of the vaccine. Too cold, or too warm
ruins it for both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

I was corrected here that the Moderna does not have that super freezer
requirement. That is just pfizer and the story they tell here is dry
ice works. The temps are pretty close. You probably want something
more sophisticated than a Good Humor truck but I doubt it is that
complicated.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:19:25 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


On 1/27/2021 1:46 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:42:55 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


What's wrong with using the internet? Is that just too much for a Repub
state to handle?

All my communication to arrange my shot yesterday was on the internet.
Sign into my UW medical system patient page. Click to make an
appointment. Click on the covid vaccine box. Look at the displayed
calendar of available places and click my choice. Look at the available
dates/times and click my choice.

Doing this on the phone seems pretty silly. Save the phone access for
those without internet.


I see you are in WA. Are they still vaccinating the rioters before the old
people? Can one make it through the riots to get your whack? Do you think the
riots will be done by the second spurt is needed?


Still spewing **** and nothing else, I see.

What you don't like to be questioned? Afraid of the truth? Just asking...

--
Tekkie

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:36:01 -0800 (PST), trader_4 posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 8:40:36 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/27/2021 5:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.

Neighbors all around me are getting their vaccine. My wife's brothers,
all in CA are getting or just got theirs. Seems like plenty of people in
the 1b category are have little problem. It should be that way everywhere.

I know two people in their 80s in LA, they have been unsuccessful, despite
trying everywhere. It's a cluster f*** with a DEMOCRAT governor and mayor.
No central registration, every man for himself, go fend.

Same here in PA. Dem gov. Nobody knows nothing and go to sign up sites, sign up
and wait.

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Tekkie

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:22:10 -0500, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 1/27/2021 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:34:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/27/2021 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I got a call at 5:30 PM today, asking if I could come in earlier than my
9PM appointment for my first shot. I had it in my arm by 6:15. My second
appointment is for Feb 23. All legally done without difficulty. How nice
it is to live in a well run Democratic state.

You mean as opposed to a poorly run state, like NY? The roll out is a disaster
there, websites don't work, phones don't get answered despite remaining on
the line for four hours. And the over arching message is, "we don't have
enough vaccine"! Gee, really? It's been clear for months that supply won't
be up to demand for probably at least 6 months. Cuomo, de Blasio, geniuses
in charge. They spend more time arguing with each other than anything else.
Oh, Cuomo had time to write a book about how to manage Covid in the middle
of this. Maybe if last summer he had spent that time figuring out a uniform
approach, a website that works, etc they wouldn't be in chaos now.



Can't speak about NY but you have to look at the whole system. Here in
Florida people are complaining they had to hold on the phone or keep
dialing.

Think about it. One Florida county has over 200,000 eligible people.
Most are calling the minute it goes active. Even if half try, it is
100,000 people.

How big of a phone system do you have to build to handle 100,000 calls
in the first few hours? How many staff do you need to answer? From
interviews on the news it seems like most called immediately or in the
first couple of hours. If it was equally spread over 4 hours that is
25,000 calls per hour. At 2 minutes per call that is 50,000 minutes of
phone time per hour. So, you need about 800 operators to answer them.

My county has about half that but went to a different system where you
register and they call you when doses are available.

We can't all be first n line.

I am not even trying. The choke point is vaccine availability. They
can't make it fast enough There is plenty of infrastructure already in
place for distribution and injection, using pharmacies. When they get
the supply problems worked out I will go down to Publix and get my
shot while buying groceries ... just like the flu shot.

I am not getting in this Black Friday fiasco.
I wouldn't camp out in the rain for a chance to get a $99 PS/5 either.


If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded but people are
complaining about the phone lines and web sites. The capacity is there
but not all for the first hour it is open for appointments.

Don't you think things are a little messed up when a site gives out their
allotment and then closes for the two weeks for the second shot?

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Tekkie

On 2/1/2021 12:16 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:19:25 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


On 1/27/2021 1:46 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:42:55 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


What's wrong with using the internet? Is that just too much for a Repub
state to handle?

All my communication to arrange my shot yesterday was on the internet.
Sign into my UW medical system patient page. Click to make an
appointment. Click on the covid vaccine box. Look at the displayed
calendar of available places and click my choice. Look at the available
dates/times and click my choice.

Doing this on the phone seems pretty silly. Save the phone access for
those without internet.


I see you are in WA. Are they still vaccinating the rioters before the old
people? Can one make it through the riots to get your whack? Do you think the
riots will be done by the second spurt is needed?


Still spewing **** and nothing else, I see.

What you don't like to be questioned? Afraid of the truth? Just asking...


LOL!
Truth????? After what you said, you have proven you have no concept of
what truth is.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 01:35:42 -0500, micky posted for all of us to digest...


One of Biden's ideas is to allow doctors and nurses to give shots
anywhere in the country, even where they are not licensed. In order to
get more retired drs. and nurses involved, many of whom move to Florida,
Arizona etc. when they retire. I think this would only make a 10 or
20% increase, even if most retired folk volunteered.


In PA the wife received a notice if she wanted to renew her nurses license; not
after 8 years of retirement... I could give the shots. PA has a volunteer
registry and I got a query if I was still registered.

At lot of behind the scenes work that doesn't require docs or nurses. It's
logistics. Receive the shipment and enter in database. Keep refrigerated and
announce shots to line up victims. Distribute refrig vax to site and catalog.
Code registered vics to sign-ups and enter lots, batch #, etc set-up syringes
w/ vax, note time & temp and merge with victims. And that's just off the cuff.

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Tekkie

On 2/1/2021 3:25 PM, Tekkie� wrote:




If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded but people are
complaining about the phone lines and web sites. The capacity is there
but not all for the first hour it is open for appointments.

Don't you think things are a little messed up when a site gives out their
allotment and then closes for the two weeks for the second shot?


Sure, but it is a supply problem, not an infrastructure problem. I
don't know how fast the stuff can be made. We really need that beofre
bitching about it unless it is sitting around someplace.

On 02/01/2021 01:49 PM, Heywood wrote:
On 2/1/2021 3:25 PM, Tekkie� wrote:




If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up. Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded but people are
complaining about the phone lines and web sites. The capacity is there
but not all for the first hour it is open for appointments.

Don't you think things are a little messed up when a site gives out their
allotment and then closes for the two weeks for the second shot?


Sure, but it is a supply problem, not an infrastructure problem. I
don't know how fast the stuff can be made. We really need that beofre
bitching about it unless it is sitting around someplace.

Supposedly Biden's crew can't find 20 million doses. I say Biden's crew
but they're pretty much the same people as Trump had. I mean Trump
didn't load the stuff in the presidential limo and take it down to the
Shipping Depot. Some G-10 has to know where the stuff went.

On 2/1/2021 8:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/01/2021 01:49 PM, Heywood wrote:
On 2/1/2021 3:25 PM, Tekkie� wrote:




If they had plenty of supply no appointment would be needed, just line
up.Â* Most of the locations can handle 1000 to 2000 a day.

As you say, infrastructure is there and easily expanded but people are
complaining about the phone lines and web sites.Â* The capacity is there
but not all for the first hour it is open for appointments.

Don't you think things are a little messed up when a site gives out
their
allotment and then closes for the two weeks for the second shot?


Sure, but it is a supply problem, not an infrastructure problem.Â* I
don't know how fast the stuff can be made.Â* We really need that beofre
bitching about it unless it is sitting around someplace.

Supposedly Biden's crew can't find 20 million doses. I say Biden's crew
but they're pretty much the same people as Trump had. I mean Trump
didn't load the stuff in the presidential limo and take it down to the
Shipping Depot. Some G-10 has to know where the stuff went.

I thought trump told us the military was going to handle it all.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 21:59:08 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Supposedly Biden's crew can't find 20 million doses. I say Biden's crew
but they're pretty much the same people as Trump had. I mean Trump
didn't load the stuff in the presidential limo and take it down to the
Shipping Depot. Some G-10 has to know where the stuff went.

LOL You don't know anything about it, but you will blabber about it anyway,
in your known slick manner, lowbrowwoman.

On 2/2/2021 12:23 AM, Bob F wrote:

Supposedly Biden's crew can't find 20 million doses. I say Biden's
crew but they're pretty much the same people as Trump had. I mean
Trump didn't load the stuff in the presidential limo and take it down
to the Shipping Depot. Some G-10 has to know where the stuff went.

I thought trump told us the military was going to handle it all.

Right, with actual transportation in west by FedEx, east by UPS. Maybe
they should have skipped all of that and just put it on Amazon to be
ordered.

The General sounded good on 60 minutes but it seems to have gone to crap.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:34:04 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


On 2/1/2021 12:16 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:19:25 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


On 1/27/2021 1:46 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:42:55 -0800, Bob F posted for all of us to digest...


What's wrong with using the internet? Is that just too much for a Repub
state to handle?

All my communication to arrange my shot yesterday was on the internet.
Sign into my UW medical system patient page. Click to make an
appointment. Click on the covid vaccine box. Look at the displayed
calendar of available places and click my choice. Look at the available
dates/times and click my choice.

Doing this on the phone seems pretty silly. Save the phone access for
those without internet.


I see you are in WA. Are they still vaccinating the rioters before the old
people? Can one make it through the riots to get your whack? Do you think the
riots will be done by the second spurt is needed?


Still spewing **** and nothing else, I see.

What you don't like to be questioned? Afraid of the truth? Just asking...


LOL!
Truth????? After what you said, you have proven you have no concept of
what truth is.

That is not an answer to my question. It is your style to dodge, weave and
ignore.

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Tekkie