Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...81ab0dab6ea5d9

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday €“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.



"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


And he can be out in just 11 years if he learns his lesson, reforms
and behaves himself. What people fail to realize is the huge emotional
toll this puts on those 60 burglary victims. Maybe if Bod had his house
broken into, his personal things taken, he'd begin to understand. And
of course if this guy were given 6 months, left to his ways and finally
had an encounter with some homeowner where either the homeowner wound
up dead or Bramwell wound up dead, Bod would be here bitching about that.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


Some states have habitual criminal or three-strike laws. No sire
about Illinois.

And he can be out in just 11 years if he learns his lesson, reforms
and behaves himself. What people fail to realize is the huge emotional
toll this puts on those 60 burglary victims. Maybe if Bod had his house
broken into, his personal things taken, he'd begin to understand. And
of course if this guy were given 6 months, left to his ways and finally
had an encounter with some homeowner where either the homeowner wound
up dead or Bramwell wound up dead, Bod would be here bitching about that.

Of course he would. In the UK criminals are given chocolate candy to
rehabilitate them.
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:06:45 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote:

It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

If he's poor, no. If he's rich, yes. A ROTFL joke.

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

Bramwell's criminal history made him eligible for Class X sentencing
although HE DID NOT COMMIT ANY Class X crime.

He was just an unarmed burglar. If he was rich, he'd be called a
kleptomaniac and given a prescription.

The following charges are Class X felonies in Illinois:

Aggravated kidnapping, 720 ILCS 5/10-2.
Aggravated battery with a firearm, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.2(a)(1).
Aggravated battery of a child, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a).
Home invasion, 720 ILCS 5/19-6.
Aggravated criminal sexual assault, 720 ILCS 5/12-14.
Predatory criminal sexual assault of a child (over 17 years of
age and victim under 13 years old), 720 ILCS 5/12-14.1(1).
Armed robbery, 720 ILCS 5/18-2.
Aggravated vehicular hijacking, 720 ILCS 5/18-4.
Aggravated arson, 720 ILCS 5/20-1.1.
Possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver
(such as 15-100 grams or possession with intent to deliver within
1,000 feet of a public park, church, school, or public housing), 720
ILCS 570/401.

Bramwell, 35, will be required to serve at least half of his 22-year
sentence before he becomes eligible for parole.
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller – who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday – previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in November after Bramwell told the judge, “F--k you, go suck my d--k and go f--k yourself,” DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.

No, not smart, stoooopid, but not a felony
"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first – for the theft of the TV remote – featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the prosecutor’s office decided not to take to trial the second count for a subsequent burglary at the same building.

“In the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count two],” Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

Bloody Klepto !!! Still not a felony.

22 years !!!
We had a nurse at the hospital who managed to steal over 100
items in a year, anything from the clothes iron to pens, pans and
doctor's stamps.
She messed up the hospital's routine, so we fired her.
Seriously, 22 years. I wonder how much kickback the judge got
from that ?
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Shadow laid this down on his screen :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:06:45 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote:

It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

If he's poor, no. If he's rich, yes. A ROTFL joke.

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

Bramwell's criminal history made him eligible for Class X sentencing
although HE DID NOT COMMIT ANY Class X crime.

He was just an unarmed burglar. If he was rich, he'd be called a
kleptomaniac and given a prescription.

The following charges are Class X felonies in Illinois:

Aggravated kidnapping, 720 ILCS 5/10-2.
Aggravated battery with a firearm, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.2(a)(1).
Aggravated battery of a child, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a).
Home invasion, 720 ILCS 5/19-6.
Aggravated criminal sexual assault, 720 ILCS 5/12-14.
Predatory criminal sexual assault of a child (over 17 years of
age and victim under 13 years old), 720 ILCS 5/12-14.1(1).
Armed robbery, 720 ILCS 5/18-2.
Aggravated vehicular hijacking, 720 ILCS 5/18-4.
Aggravated arson, 720 ILCS 5/20-1.1.
Possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver
(such as 15-100 grams or possession with intent to deliver within
1,000 feet of a public park, church, school, or public housing), 720
ILCS 570/401.

Bramwell, 35, will be required to serve at least half of his 22-year
sentence before he becomes eligible for parole.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...00050K5-4.5-95

on 1/10/2017, Shadow supposed :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller – who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday –
previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in November after
Bramwell told the judge, “F--k you, go suck my d--k and go f--k yourself,”
DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.

No, not smart, stoooopid, but not a felony
"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first – for the
theft of the TV remote – featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the
prosecutor’s office decided not to take to trial the second count for a
subsequent burglary at the same building.

“In the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count two],”
Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at Bramwell's
sentencing as an aggravating factor.

Bloody Klepto !!! Still not a felony.

22 years !!!
We had a nurse at the hospital who managed to steal over 100
items in a year, anything from the clothes iron to pens, pans and
doctor's stamps.
She messed up the hospital's routine, so we fired her.
Seriously, 22 years. I wonder how much kickback the judge got
from that ?
[]'s

This isn't Brazil, not yet anyway.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:28:11 AM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:06:45 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote:

It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

If he's poor, no. If he's rich, yes. A ROTFL joke.

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

Bramwell's criminal history made him eligible for Class X sentencing
although HE DID NOT COMMIT ANY Class X crime.

He was just an unarmed burglar.

A burglar who admitted to 60 previous burglaries. I mean, at some
point, isn't enough, enough? He can be out in 11 years if he wises
up. Doesn't sound too extreme to me.



If he was rich, he'd be called a
kleptomaniac and given a prescription.


Maybe so. I guess he should have saved the proceeds from the
60 burglaries? We should let him keep going, until he meets up
with an unexpected homeowner and the homeowner winds up dead?

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:23:51 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


Some states have habitual criminal or three-strike laws. No sire
about Illinois.

That is exactly what he was sentenced under, IL habitual offender law.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:35:13 AM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday €“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.

No, not smart, stoooopid, but not a felony
"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

Bloody Klepto !!! Still not a felony.

The grand jury and the trial jury obviously disagreed.




22 years !!!
We had a nurse at the hospital who managed to steal over 100
items in a year, anything from the clothes iron to pens, pans and
doctor's stamps.
She messed up the hospital's routine, so we fired her.
Seriously, 22 years. I wonder how much kickback the judge got
from that ?
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Given his extensive record, that he admitted to 60 other burglaries,
and that if he wises up and behaves he can be out in 11 years, it
sounds about right to me. Why should decent, honest working people
have to put up with this career criminal?

On 10/01/2017 16:06, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was
the last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found
on a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

Ok, they said he qualified for a *class X* punishment.
So which of these class X offences did he commit?

The following charges are Class X felonies in Illinois:

Aggravated kidnapping, 720 ILCS 5/10-2.
Aggravated battery with a firearm, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.2(a)(1).
Aggravated battery of a child, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a).
Home invasion, 720 ILCS 5/19-6.
Aggravated criminal sexual assault, 720 ILCS 5/12-14.
Predatory criminal sexual assault of a child (over 17 years of age and
victim under 13 years old), 720 ILCS 5/12-14.1(1).
Armed robbery, 720 ILCS 5/18-2.
Aggravated vehicular hijacking, 720 ILCS 5/18-4.
Aggravated arson, 720 ILCS 5/20-1.1.
Possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver (such as
15-100 grams or possession with intent to deliver within 1,000 feet of a
public park, church, school, or public housing), 720 ILCS 570/401.

On 10/01/2017 16:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday €“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.



"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


And he can be out in just 11 years if he learns his lesson, reforms
and behaves himself. What people fail to realize is the huge emotional
toll this puts on those 60 burglary victims. Maybe if Bod had his house
broken into, his personal things taken, he'd begin to understand. And
of course if this guy were given 6 months, left to his ways and finally
had an encounter with some homeowner where either the homeowner wound
up dead or Bramwell wound up dead, Bod would be here bitching about that.

Ah, the newspaper report that I saw didn't mention the 60 burglaries
or the verbal abuse to the Judge. Norty newspapers!

On 10/01/2017 16:49, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:23:51 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


Some states have habitual criminal or three-strike laws. No sire
about Illinois.

That is exactly what he was sentenced under, IL habitual offender law.

Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't on the
list.

On 10/01/2017 16:57, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:35:13 AM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday €“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.

No, not smart, stoooopid, but not a felony
"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

Bloody Klepto !!! Still not a felony.

The grand jury and the trial jury obviously disagreed.




22 years !!!
We had a nurse at the hospital who managed to steal over 100
items in a year, anything from the clothes iron to pens, pans and
doctor's stamps.
She messed up the hospital's routine, so we fired her.
Seriously, 22 years. I wonder how much kickback the judge got
from that ?
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Given his extensive record, that he admitted to 60 other burglaries,
and that if he wises up and behaves he can be out in 11 years, it
sounds about right to me. Why should decent, honest working people
have to put up with this career criminal?

But a 22 year sentence !?

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:06, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was
the last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found
on a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

Ok, they said he qualified for a *class X* punishment.
So which of these class X offences did he commit?

The following charges are Class X felonies in Illinois:

Aggravated kidnapping, 720 ILCS 5/10-2.
Aggravated battery with a firearm, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.2(a)(1).
Aggravated battery of a child, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a).
Home invasion, 720 ILCS 5/19-6.
Aggravated criminal sexual assault, 720 ILCS 5/12-14.
Predatory criminal sexual assault of a child (over 17 years of age and
victim under 13 years old), 720 ILCS 5/12-14.1(1).
Armed robbery, 720 ILCS 5/18-2.
Aggravated vehicular hijacking, 720 ILCS 5/18-4.
Aggravated arson, 720 ILCS 5/20-1.1.
Possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver (such as
15-100 grams or possession with intent to deliver within 1,000 feet of a
public park, church, school, or public housing), 720 ILCS 570/401.

None. He was sentenced under the habitual offender law, which applies
Class X sentencing to repeat offenders. Got it now? Probably not.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:20:31 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:49, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:23:51 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


Some states have habitual criminal or three-strike laws. No sire
about Illinois.

That is exactly what he was sentenced under, IL habitual offender law.

Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't on the
list.

Idiot. He was sentenced under the IL habitual offender law, which applies
Class X *sentencing* to habitual offenders, who have committed multiple
felonies, are career criminals. There is no reqt that he actually
commit a class X felony. Got it now? Probably not.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:23:04 +0000, Bod wrote:

But a 22 year sentence !?

Heck he can stand on his head that long.

On 10/01/2017 17:33, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:06, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that Oren formulated :
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was
the last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found
on a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

Or this:

http://www.snopes.com/man-sentenced-22-years-remote/

Ok, they said he qualified for a *class X* punishment.
So which of these class X offences did he commit?

The following charges are Class X felonies in Illinois:

Aggravated kidnapping, 720 ILCS 5/10-2.
Aggravated battery with a firearm, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.2(a)(1).
Aggravated battery of a child, 720 ILCS 5/12-4.3(a).
Home invasion, 720 ILCS 5/19-6.
Aggravated criminal sexual assault, 720 ILCS 5/12-14.
Predatory criminal sexual assault of a child (over 17 years of age and
victim under 13 years old), 720 ILCS 5/12-14.1(1).
Armed robbery, 720 ILCS 5/18-2.
Aggravated vehicular hijacking, 720 ILCS 5/18-4.
Aggravated arson, 720 ILCS 5/20-1.1.
Possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver (such as
15-100 grams or possession with intent to deliver within 1,000 feet of a
public park, church, school, or public housing), 720 ILCS 570/401.

None. He was sentenced under the habitual offender law, which applies
Class X sentencing to repeat offenders. Got it now? Probably not.

Ok, but that is not listed in the list of Class X offences.

On 10/01/2017 17:35, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:20:31 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:49, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:23:51 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


Some states have habitual criminal or three-strike laws. No sire
about Illinois.

That is exactly what he was sentenced under, IL habitual offender law.

Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't on the
list.

Idiot. He was sentenced under the IL habitual offender law, which applies
Class X *sentencing* to habitual offenders, who have committed multiple
felonies, are career criminals. There is no reqt that he actually
commit a class X felony. Got it now? Probably not.

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.
Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:46:46 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 17:35, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 12:20:31 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:49, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 11:23:51 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:15:10 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area, though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


Some states have habitual criminal or three-strike laws. No sire
about Illinois.

That is exactly what he was sentenced under, IL habitual offender law.

Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't on the
list.

Idiot. He was sentenced under the IL habitual offender law, which applies
Class X *sentencing* to habitual offenders, who have committed multiple
felonies, are career criminals. There is no reqt that he actually
commit a class X felony. Got it now? Probably not.

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.

Sure, that works. ROFL


Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

You're the nut. Nothing we do here is right. If this career criminal
was allowed to go on to his 61st burglary and he wound up surprising
some homeowner, with one or the other winding up dead, why then you'd
be here bitching about that. Enough is enough. Why should 60 families
be traumatized? How'd you like it if he was in your house? The guy
can be out in just 11 years if he wises up and behaves himself.
Perfectly OK with me. He knew the rules, he gambled again, he lost.

Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't on the
list.

Idiot. He was sentenced under the IL habitual offender law, which applies
Class X *sentencing* to habitual offenders, who have committed multiple
felonies, are career criminals. There is no reqt that he actually
commit a class X felony. Got it now? Probably not.

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.

Sure, that works. ROFL


Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

You're the nut. Nothing we do here is right. If this career criminal
was allowed to go on to his 61st burglary and he wound up surprising
some homeowner, with one or the other winding up dead, why then you'd
be here bitching about that. Enough is enough. Why should 60 families
be traumatized? How'd you like it if he was in your house? The guy
can be out in just 11 years if he wises up and behaves himself.
Perfectly OK with me. He knew the rules, he gambled again, he lost.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider
uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12
11 Dec 2014 - That makes Norway's incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000
people, ... "Americans want their prisoners punished first and
rehabilitated second.

On 1/10/2017 10:35 AM, Bod wrote:
Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...81ab0dab6ea5d9



Come on....there's more to this story......he had a gun disguised as a
remote, didn't he? There has to be a gun issue somewhere here.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:56:35 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.

Sure, that works. ROFL

Bod will love this one:

"FRESNO, Calif. - A Fresno man was sentenced to 1,503 years in prison
for raping his teenage daughter over a four-year period, a case that
stands in stark contrast to a recent controversial ruling in a Montana
rape and incest case."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-gets-1503-years-in-prison-for-raping-teen-daughter/

On 1/10/2017 1:02 PM, Bod wrote:

Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a
Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't
on the
list.

Idiot. He was sentenced under the IL habitual offender law, which
applies
Class X *sentencing* to habitual offenders, who have committed multiple
felonies, are career criminals. There is no reqt that he actually
commit a class X felony. Got it now? Probably not.

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.

Sure, that works. ROFL


Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

You're the nut. Nothing we do here is right. If this career criminal
was allowed to go on to his 61st burglary and he wound up surprising
some homeowner, with one or the other winding up dead, why then you'd
be here bitching about that. Enough is enough. Why should 60 families
be traumatized? How'd you like it if he was in your house? The guy
can be out in just 11 years if he wises up and behaves himself.
Perfectly OK with me. He knew the rules, he gambled again, he lost.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider
uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12
11 Dec 2014 - That makes Norway's incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000
people, ... "Americans want their prisoners punished first and
rehabilitated second.

No, we just want to blow them away. A dead criminal is a guarantee never
to commit another crime.

On 1/10/2017 12:14 PM, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday
€“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in
November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and
go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.



"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for
the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the
prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for
a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count
two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at
Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV
remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area,
though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


And he can be out in just 11 years if he learns his lesson, reforms
and behaves himself. What people fail to realize is the huge emotional
toll this puts on those 60 burglary victims. Maybe if Bod had his house
broken into, his personal things taken, he'd begin to understand. And
of course if this guy were given 6 months, left to his ways and finally
had an encounter with some homeowner where either the homeowner wound
up dead or Bramwell wound up dead, Bod would be here bitching about that.

Ah, the newspaper report that I saw didn't mention the 60 burglaries
or the verbal abuse to the Judge. Norty newspapers!

Go figure. You're probably reading the same news source about our gun
issues.

After serious thinking Bod wrote :
Hmm, he was sentenced under a Class X felony.I didn't see a Class X
offence in the list of Class X offences. Habitual offender wasn't on the
list.

Idiot. He was sentenced under the IL habitual offender law, which
applies
Class X *sentencing* to habitual offenders, who have committed multiple
felonies, are career criminals. There is no reqt that he actually
commit a class X felony. Got it now? Probably not.

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.

Sure, that works. ROFL


Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

You're the nut. Nothing we do here is right. If this career criminal
was allowed to go on to his 61st burglary and he wound up surprising
some homeowner, with one or the other winding up dead, why then you'd
be here bitching about that. Enough is enough. Why should 60 families
be traumatized? How'd you like it if he was in your house? The guy
can be out in just 11 years if he wises up and behaves himself.
Perfectly OK with me. He knew the rules, he gambled again, he lost.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider
uk.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12
11 Dec 2014 - That makes Norway's incarceration rate just 75 per 100,000
people, ... "Americans want their prisoners punished first and rehabilitated
second.

IMO the idea of punishment as a deterrent and that of rehabilitation as
a re-education misses the mark. First and foremost, predators on a
society should be separated from that society. These other aspects are
secondary considerations.

On 10/01/2017 18:13, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:56:35 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.

Sure, that works. ROFL

Bod will love this one:

"FRESNO, Calif. - A Fresno man was sentenced to 1,503 years in prison
for raping his teenage daughter over a four-year period, a case that
stands in stark contrast to a recent controversial ruling in a Montana
rape and incest case."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-gets-1503-years-in-prison-for-raping-teen-daughter/

Indeed I do! :-)
1503 years is simply ludicrous. If an offender qualifies for life
imprisonment, why not do as we do "will spend the rest of his/her life
in prison with no remission"
It means *exactly* the same.

On 10/01/2017 18:20, Meanie wrote:
On 1/10/2017 12:14 PM, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was
found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday
€“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in
November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and
go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.



"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for
the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the
prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for
a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count
two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at
Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV
remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area,
though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


And he can be out in just 11 years if he learns his lesson, reforms
and behaves himself. What people fail to realize is the huge emotional
toll this puts on those 60 burglary victims. Maybe if Bod had his house
broken into, his personal things taken, he'd begin to understand. And
of course if this guy were given 6 months, left to his ways and finally
had an encounter with some homeowner where either the homeowner wound
up dead or Bramwell wound up dead, Bod would be here bitching about
that.

Ah, the newspaper report that I saw didn't mention the 60 burglaries
or the verbal abuse to the Judge. Norty newspapers!

Go figure. You're probably reading the same news source about our gun
issues.

Even so, a 22 year sentence is ridiculous, IMO.

In article ,
says...


I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.
Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

About 20 feet of rope or a few dollars worth of bullets will solve many
of repeate offenders and much of the cost. I don't think the court and
law system really want to solve the problems. Too much money involved
in it. Lawyers, judges and many cops and jailers are being paid for
this.

Same as with the dope situation. Problem could be slowed down a lot if
some measuers were taken.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:02:26 +0000, Bod wrote:

"Americans want their prisoners punished first and
rehabilitated second.

There is no suck thing as rehabilitation. Bleeding heart liberals
think there is though.
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:13:43 -0500, Meanie wrote:

Come on....there's more to this story......he had a gun disguised as a
remote, didn't he? There has to be a gun issue somewhere here.

Good one.
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:36:02 +0000, Bod wrote:

Bod will love this one:

"FRESNO, Calif. - A Fresno man was sentenced to 1,503 years in prison
for raping his teenage daughter over a four-year period, a case that
stands in stark contrast to a recent controversial ruling in a Montana
rape and incest case."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-gets-1503-years-in-prison-for-raping-teen-daughter/

Indeed I do! :-)
1503 years is simply ludicrous. If an offender qualifies for life
imprisonment, why not do as we do "will spend the rest of his/her life
in prison with no remission"
It means *exactly* the same.

We send a message. When you die we bury you standing up. After 1,503
years we put you in a box and bury you horizontal. Nothing wrong with
that and he completes his payment to society.
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:38:20 +0000, Bod wrote:

Ah, the newspaper report that I saw didn't mention the 60 burglaries
or the verbal abuse to the Judge. Norty newspapers!

Go figure. You're probably reading the same news source about our gun
issues.

Even so, a 22 year sentence is ridiculous, IMO.


....but your opinion doesn't matter.
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

On 1/10/2017 1:38 PM, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 18:20, Meanie wrote:
On 1/10/2017 12:14 PM, Bod wrote:
On 10/01/2017 16:15, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was
the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was
found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

"Judge Robert Miller €“ who handed down the 22-year sentence Wednesday
€“ previously gave Bramwell a six-month sentence for contempt in
November after Bramwell told the judge, €œF--k you, go suck my d--k and
go f--k yourself,€� DuPage County State's Attorney Robert Berlin says."

Probably not a smart idea to say that to the judge.



"Bramwell was indicted by a grand jury on two counts. The first €“ for
the theft of the TV remote €“ featured DNA evidence on a glove, so the
prosecutors office decided not to take to trial the second count for
a subsequent burglary at the same building.

€œIn the interest of justice, we decided not to proceed on [count
two],€� Berlin says. The second count, however, was presented at
Bramwell's sentencing as an aggravating factor.

The prosecutor says Bramwell, after his arrest for stealing the TV
remote, confessed to committing a total of 60 burglaries in the area,
though Berlin says Bramwell did argue he was innocent at trial."


And he can be out in just 11 years if he learns his lesson, reforms
and behaves himself. What people fail to realize is the huge
emotional
toll this puts on those 60 burglary victims. Maybe if Bod had his
house
broken into, his personal things taken, he'd begin to understand. And
of course if this guy were given 6 months, left to his ways and finally
had an encounter with some homeowner where either the homeowner wound
up dead or Bramwell wound up dead, Bod would be here bitching about
that.

Ah, the newspaper report that I saw didn't mention the 60 burglaries
or the verbal abuse to the Judge. Norty newspapers!

Go figure. You're probably reading the same news source about our gun
issues.

Even so, a 22 year sentence is ridiculous, IMO.


No, it's not. That's justice for repeat/habitual offenders. My only
problem with it is my tax dollars contributing to his upkeep.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 10:58:58 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:35:06 +0000, Bod wrote:

Is this story a joke or what?

Eric Bramwell stole the remote from the shared common area at his
apartment complex in Wheaton, in the DuPage County in Illinois.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the stolen television remote was the
last straw as Bramwell was known as a serial thief.
The 35-year-old was found guilty in November after his DNA was found on
a glove that was dropped in the apartment after the theft of the
universal television remote, which was stolen in August 2015.


Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

I'm sure that there will be ass-related stuff long before he steals the
remote.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:18:06 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Go read the court documents, which are public and most likely online,
for the answer. If he steals a television remote in prison he will
probably get an ass whippin'

I'm sure that there will be ass-related stuff long before he steals the
remote.

Those are called "gal-boys".
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

On 10/01/2017 18:57, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...


I've got it, but it still seems way OTT to me. No wonder your jails
are so full. Spend more money on rehabilitation and you'll get a
percentage of prisoners who will stop re-offending.
Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

About 20 feet of rope or a few dollars worth of bullets will solve many
of repeate offenders and much of the cost. I don't think the court and
law system really want to solve the problems. Too much money involved
in it. Lawyers, judges and many cops and jailers are being paid for
this.

Same as with the dope situation. Problem could be slowed down a lot if
some measuers were taken.



Your comment about money, is a valid point and probably true.

On 10/01/2017 19:01, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:02:26 +0000, Bod wrote:

"Americans want their prisoners punished first and
rehabilitated second.

There is no suck thing as rehabilitation. Bleeding heart liberals
think there is though.

You have a *blow em away, bang em up* culture.