On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 15:24:07 -0500, Travis Bickle
wrote:

On 12/2/16 7:57 AM, #NoDAPL wrote:
http://time.com/4587158/clinton-lead...million-votes/

ouch!

Maybe so but most of those "votes" are fraudulent and should be null and
void as they are from dead people, illegal aliens, and felons

This might put an end to this voter fraud issue one way or another.
Trump is the first elected official I have ever seen who won and still
wanted to pursue voter fraud. The winner is usually happy just to win
and the loser has no real resources to investigate since he is outside
looking in.

"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message
...

No it means Trump does not have "big city" support.
Democrats win the welfare vote hands down.
When you take money from Peter to pay Paul you will always have Paul's
support.

Possibly you can cite a post election demographic study that verifies
your assertion?

Washington DC is an example, admittedly an extreme one at almost 92% for
her.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...-clinton-trump

Everything I have seen so far indicates that Clinton voters, in
general, had attained higher levels of education and were more
affluent than Trump voters.

Not in DC. The afluent/educated daytime denizens of our nation's capitol
live in Virginia or Maryland. Apparently, 40% of the full time folks get
some sort of welfare.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ts-public.html

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:32:24 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message
.. .

No it means Trump does not have "big city" support.
Democrats win the welfare vote hands down.
When you take money from Peter to pay Paul you will always have Paul's
support.

Possibly you can cite a post election demographic study that verifies
your assertion?

Washington DC is an example, admittedly an extreme one at almost 92% for
her.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...-clinton-trump

Everything I have seen so far indicates that Clinton voters, in
general, had attained higher levels of education and were more
affluent than Trump voters.

Not in DC. The afluent/educated daytime denizens of our nation's capitol
live in Virginia or Maryland. Apparently, 40% of the full time folks get
some sort of welfare.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ts-public.html


Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:05:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)


If someone can actually come up with some reasonably reputable
demographics of those who voted for Trump and those who voted for
Clinton, I would find it interesting.

This pew research study was published on 9 November so I am not sure
how they could have compiled demographics based upon the actual vote.

http://pewrsr.ch/2gwPa4F

It appears that Trump did not do well with women, most minority groups
and those with higher levels of education. Regardless, we are all
citizens and we all have exactly one vote, regardless of how anyone
wishes to diminish the importance of another person's vote.

#NoDAPL wrote:

http://time.com/4587158/clinton-lead...million-votes/

ouch!

The real "ouch" is that Trump won with a campaign that spent *much* less
money than the other side. 2016 was the Moneyball Election.

--
Team Clinton: 24 days and still crying.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 01:31:29 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:05:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)


If someone can actually come up with some reasonably reputable
demographics of those who voted for Trump and those who voted for
Clinton, I would find it interesting.

This pew research study was published on 9 November so I am not sure
how they could have compiled demographics based upon the actual vote.

http://pewrsr.ch/2gwPa4F

It appears that Trump did not do well with women, most minority groups
and those with higher levels of education. Regardless, we are all
citizens and we all have exactly one vote, regardless of how anyone
wishes to diminish the importance of another person's vote.


The shocker for the democrats is that Trump got any women and minority
votes at all. That is just how out of touch they are with people out
in the countryside. I was surprised myself at how many suburban women
had Trump stickers on their car or posting about him on Facebook. It
is like the absurd assumption that all women support unfettered
abortion and gun control or that naturalized citizens support illegal
immigration.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 00:04:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 01:31:29 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:05:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)


If someone can actually come up with some reasonably reputable
demographics of those who voted for Trump and those who voted for
Clinton, I would find it interesting.

This pew research study was published on 9 November so I am not sure
how they could have compiled demographics based upon the actual vote.

http://pewrsr.ch/2gwPa4F

It appears that Trump did not do well with women, most minority groups
and those with higher levels of education. Regardless, we are all
citizens and we all have exactly one vote, regardless of how anyone
wishes to diminish the importance of another person's vote.


The shocker for the democrats is that Trump got any women and minority
votes at all. That is just how out of touch they are with people out
in the countryside. I was surprised myself at how many suburban women
had Trump stickers on their car or posting about him on Facebook. It
is like the absurd assumption that all women support unfettered
abortion and gun control or that naturalized citizens support illegal
immigration.

Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.

wrote in news
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)

I like that euphanism "urban". Nice way to say KneeGrow.

On 12/2/2016 10:58 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:52:44 -0500, Taxpayer
wrote:

On 12/2/2016 10:26 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Everything I have seen so far indicates that Clinton voters, in
general, had attained higher levels of education and were more
affluent than Trump voters.

Bull****! Clinton voters are more effluent than Trump voters.

The typical Clinton voter is:

- on public assistance, maybe even committing disability fraud

- unaware of birth control

- has ~6 illegitimate kids from different sperm donors

- unemployed and too stupid to do anything useful

- unable to use a turn signal when appropriate

- can't navigate a traffic circle

- has never paid federal income tax
Again, no citation.

Was the above from the editorial page of the KKK Crusader newspaper?


Does the thought of having to work to support yourself scare you?

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:19:18 -0500, Taxpayer
wrote:

On 12/2/2016 10:58 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:52:44 -0500, Taxpayer
wrote:

On 12/2/2016 10:26 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Everything I have seen so far indicates that Clinton voters, in
general, had attained higher levels of education and were more
affluent than Trump voters.

Bull****! Clinton voters are more effluent than Trump voters.

The typical Clinton voter is:

- on public assistance, maybe even committing disability fraud

- unaware of birth control

- has ~6 illegitimate kids from different sperm donors

- unemployed and too stupid to do anything useful

- unable to use a turn signal when appropriate

- can't navigate a traffic circle

- has never paid federal income tax
Again, no citation.

Was the above from the editorial page of the KKK Crusader newspaper?


Does the thought of having to work to support yourself scare you?

I have never worked a day in my life, probably because I have always
loved what I do / have done to earn a living and provide for my
family.

Once again, was your above reply from the KKK Crusader newspaper?

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 13:01:50 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

So you are over 93? What is your secret to such a long life?

On 03 Dec 2016 13:53:30 GMT, Jack Meoff wrote:

wrote in news
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)

I like that euphanism "urban". Nice way to say KneeGrow.

Some of these kneegrows are white.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:16:25 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 13:01:50 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

So you are over 93? What is your secret to such a long life?

Genetics and good luck.

On 12/2/2016 9:57 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
#NoDAPL wrote:

http://time.com/4587158/clinton-lead...million-votes/

ouch!

The real "ouch" is that Trump won with a campaign that spent *much* less
money than the other side. 2016 was the Moneyball Election.


, heh

On 12/3/2016 7:01 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 00:04:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 01:31:29 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:05:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:25:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

Mea culpa, I should have written "post election, national demographic
study". Washington D.C. is not representative of the bulk of the
nation.

But it is typical of the "urban" parts of pretty much all of the big
cities. We have about a half square mile of Ft Myers with the same
statistics as DC. (crime, unwed birth, and welfare)


If someone can actually come up with some reasonably reputable
demographics of those who voted for Trump and those who voted for
Clinton, I would find it interesting.

This pew research study was published on 9 November so I am not sure
how they could have compiled demographics based upon the actual vote.

http://pewrsr.ch/2gwPa4F

It appears that Trump did not do well with women, most minority groups
and those with higher levels of education. Regardless, we are all
citizens and we all have exactly one vote, regardless of how anyone
wishes to diminish the importance of another person's vote.


The shocker for the democrats is that Trump got any women and minority
votes at all. That is just how out of touch they are with people out
in the countryside. I was surprised myself at how many suburban women
had Trump stickers on their car or posting about him on Facebook. It
is like the absurd assumption that all women support unfettered
abortion and gun control or that naturalized citizens support illegal
immigration.

Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

--
Maggie

On 12/3/2016 9:30 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
I have never worked a day in my life, probably because I have always
loved what I do / have done to earn a living and provide for my
family.


Do you pay income taxes? I sure do and I'm ****ed off that so many of my hard earned dollars fund programs to support lazy/useless/stupid people. Why any working taxpayer would willingly cast a vote for a Clintoncrat is beyond my comprehension.

Wouldn't it be nice to get something in return for your tax dollars? Apparently myself and other working taxpaying voters spoke-up at the last election. Maybe America's lazy will finally be forced to work like the rest of us?

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0800, Taxed and Spent
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I wasn't fond of Hillary either, she is a center right socialist.
However, Trump exhibits many of the behaviors and of a fascist, even
though he doesn't call himself one.

On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??

--
Maggie

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

--
Maggie

On 12/3/2016 9:47 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.


Hillary was about as much of a statist as can be.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:03 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??

Chuckle, because I lived through the mid 20th century fascist era,
because I fought against fascism / statism for approximately three
years and because I recognize the earmarks of fascism and fascist
ideology when I read, see and hear them.

Now, I am not about to follow you down your rabbit hole. After you
educate yourself on the topic of fascism and the stereotypical
behavior of totalitarian / fascist leaders, you might become less
ignorant on the topic and be able to come to the same conclusion, but
only if you are honest and objective about it.

As fascism has become a dirty, vile word, I fully expect that you will
reject and fight tooth and nail any characterization of Trump as a
fascist or near fascist. However, that will not change the facts.

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

That is only because you do not understand fascism.

On 12/3/2016 12:47 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??


The head of just about any business fits the definition.
Definition of fascism for Students. : a political system headed by a
dictator in which the government controls business and labor and
opposition is not permitted.

In a private held corporation the CEO is pretty much a dictator

Trump may have a few trusted advisors in his business, now he has 535 of
the down the street.

On 12/3/2016 11:58 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:03 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??

Chuckle, because I lived through the mid 20th century fascist era,
because I fought against fascism / statism for approximately three
years and because I recognize the earmarks of fascism and fascist
ideology when I read, see and hear them.

Now, I am not about to follow you down your rabbit hole. After you
educate yourself on the topic of fascism and the stereotypical
behavior of totalitarian / fascist leaders, you might become less
ignorant on the topic and be able to come to the same conclusion, but
only if you are honest and objective about it.

As fascism has become a dirty, vile word, I fully expect that you will
reject and fight tooth and nail any characterization of Trump as a
fascist or near fascist. However, that will not change the facts.


I'm serious. Just because we don't agree on Trump, it doesn't mean that
I don't want to understand where you're coming from, and why you feel
the way you do. I see Trump as a strong personality, but not in the
same sense fascism describes similar personalities.

--
Maggie

On 12/3/2016 11:56 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:47 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.


Hillary was about as much of a statist as can be.

I disliked Hillary for entirely different reasons, and liked Trump
because of him being different from the status quo. I just don't
understand why some people characterize him as being akin to a dictator.

--
Maggie

On 12/3/2016 11:59 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

That is only because you do not understand fascism.


Well, I've read about both, but obviously I interpret the information
differently from you and don't see Trump as being either.

I want to understand why you see him that way.

--
Maggie

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:02:10 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:59 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

That is only because you do not understand fascism.


Well, I've read about both, but obviously I interpret the information
differently from you and don't see Trump as being either.

I want to understand why you see him that way.

I already explained "why" I see him that way.

On 12/3/2016 12:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/3/2016 12:47 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??


The head of just about any business fits the definition.
Definition of fascism for Students. : a political system headed by a
dictator in which the government controls business and labor and
opposition is not permitted.

In a private held corporation the CEO is pretty much a dictator

Trump may have a few trusted advisors in his business, now he has 535 of
the down the street.


But, business owners aren't the same as a government entity, either.
Still, there are rules business owners have to abide by.

I see him as a strong leader, not some up and coming fascist dictator.
--
Maggie

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:58:32 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:58 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:03 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??

Chuckle, because I lived through the mid 20th century fascist era,
because I fought against fascism / statism for approximately three
years and because I recognize the earmarks of fascism and fascist
ideology when I read, see and hear them.

Now, I am not about to follow you down your rabbit hole. After you
educate yourself on the topic of fascism and the stereotypical
behavior of totalitarian / fascist leaders, you might become less
ignorant on the topic and be able to come to the same conclusion, but
only if you are honest and objective about it.

As fascism has become a dirty, vile word, I fully expect that you will
reject and fight tooth and nail any characterization of Trump as a
fascist or near fascist. However, that will not change the facts.


I'm serious. Just because we don't agree on Trump, it doesn't mean that
I don't want to understand where you're coming from, and why you feel
the way you do. I see Trump as a strong personality, but not in the
same sense fascism describes similar personalities.

I have already explained "why" I see him that way.

On 12/3/2016 1:05 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:02:10 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:59 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

That is only because you do not understand fascism.


Well, I've read about both, but obviously I interpret the information
differently from you and don't see Trump as being either.

I want to understand why you see him that way.

I already explained "why" I see him that way.


You gave me a generalized answer ... more or less because of your own
personal experiences. I've no way of understanding why you equate Trump
with fascism solely based on what you just said.

I don't see Trump as being a Mussolini, Hitler, totalitarian, or any
other form of dictator. I don't know what he's done to make you believe
that he is.


--
Maggie

On 12/3/2016 1:07 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:58:32 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:58 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:03 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?


No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.

Why do you think Trump is a fascist??

Chuckle, because I lived through the mid 20th century fascist era,
because I fought against fascism / statism for approximately three
years and because I recognize the earmarks of fascism and fascist
ideology when I read, see and hear them.

Now, I am not about to follow you down your rabbit hole. After you
educate yourself on the topic of fascism and the stereotypical
behavior of totalitarian / fascist leaders, you might become less
ignorant on the topic and be able to come to the same conclusion, but
only if you are honest and objective about it.

As fascism has become a dirty, vile word, I fully expect that you will
reject and fight tooth and nail any characterization of Trump as a
fascist or near fascist. However, that will not change the facts.


I'm serious. Just because we don't agree on Trump, it doesn't mean that
I don't want to understand where you're coming from, and why you feel
the way you do. I see Trump as a strong personality, but not in the
same sense fascism describes similar personalities.

I have already explained "why" I see him that way.


No. You're basically telling me you see Trump as a dictator and I
should just accept your correct because of your own personal life
experiences.

--
Maggie

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:12:33 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 1:05 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:02:10 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:59 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

That is only because you do not understand fascism.


Well, I've read about both, but obviously I interpret the information
differently from you and don't see Trump as being either.

I want to understand why you see him that way.

I already explained "why" I see him that way.


You gave me a generalized answer ... more or less because of your own
personal experiences. I've no way of understanding why you equate Trump
with fascism solely based on what you just said.

I don't see Trump as being a Mussolini, Hitler, totalitarian, or any
other form of dictator. I don't know what he's done to make you believe
that he is.

Thanks for sharing.

On 12/3/2016 1:15 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:12:33 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 1:05 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:02:10 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:59 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:47:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 11:33 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 12/3/2016 9:21 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:36:47 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Been voting conservative since my first presidential election in 1944
(Dewey) and I was mortified that anyone at all supported Trump.

I was also shocked some cousins on my father's side supported
Mussolini throughout the 30's and some on my mother's side supported
Hitler, apparently until the end of the war, two of which were in the
Waffen-SS.

I guess I am overly sensitive and resistant to fascism / fascists /
totalitarians.


Perhaps you're over compensating?

No honey, I stopped "over compensating" for fascism / statism mid
August 1945.

Now, I just recognize it when I see it and try to stop it before it
takes root, e.g. Donald Trump.


yep, that's why I voted for Trump, not Hillery, too.

I don't understand his definition of fascism.

That is only because you do not understand fascism.


Well, I've read about both, but obviously I interpret the information
differently from you and don't see Trump as being either.

I want to understand why you see him that way.

I already explained "why" I see him that way.


You gave me a generalized answer ... more or less because of your own
personal experiences. I've no way of understanding why you equate Trump
with fascism solely based on what you just said.

I don't see Trump as being a Mussolini, Hitler, totalitarian, or any
other form of dictator. I don't know what he's done to make you believe
that he is.


Thanks for sharing.


I'm giving you the opportunity to change my mind and explain to me what
about Trump makes him fascist. It obviously means a great deal to you,
so I want to understand.

--
Maggie

On 2016-12-02, #NoDAPL wrote:
I've heard the final count is est. around 3 mill. good time article.

I've heard that's about the number of illegal aliens that the Democrats
got into the voting booth. Then of course there's that traditional bastion
of Democrat support, the cemetery vote. I have no doubt the Dims pulled
out all the stops this election in using their bag of dirty tricks.

If the President were elected by popular vote you would have a point.
Since he isn't, you do not.

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On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:41:03 -0500, Taxpayer
wrote in

Do you pay income taxes? I sure do and I'm ****ed off that so many of my hard earned dollars fund programs to support lazy/useless/stupid people.

+1

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:41:03 -0500, Taxpayer
wrote:

On 12/3/2016 9:30 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
I have never worked a day in my life, probably because I have always
loved what I do / have done to earn a living and provide for my
family.


Do you pay income taxes? I sure do and I'm ****ed off that so many of my hard earned dollars fund programs to support lazy/useless/stupid people. Why any working taxpayer would willingly cast a vote for a Clintoncrat is beyond my comprehension.

My personal finances are really none of your business, but that said,
yes I do and I have been paying those taxes continually for more years
than you have probably been alive.


Wouldn't it be nice to get something in return for your tax dollars? Apparently myself and other working taxpaying voters spoke-up at the last election. Maybe America's lazy will finally be forced to work like the rest of us?

I would like to see tax dollars spent more wisely, yes. Many of our
current military programs are enormous, poorly planned money holes,
our DoD is far too top heavy with too many chiefs and not enough
indians.

In fact, I advocate our country implement two year universal military
servitude for all citizens of a certain age, lower pay for these
conscripts and an elimination of lifetime benefits for non-career
veterans except for those who sustain direct service related permanent
injuries.

I would like to see the Social Security funds protected and taken out
of the reach of congress so they cannot draw down the reserves by
borrowing the monies and ****ing them away on pork. I would also like
to see means testing for social security, hell, I don't need the SS
check every month, but they send it to me anyway.

I would like to see a balanced budget amendment, the presidential
line-item veto and an amendment which limits federal borrowing to
declared wars and certain types of disasters. Also, a complete
elimination of the Federal Reserve Bank, which I consider to be a
progressive boondoggle that has become a form of shadow government.
Lastly, I would like to see an aggressive effort to pay down the
national debt and eliminate the vast amounts of interest we as tax
payers must contribute to service the interest on the debt, that alone
is a travesty.

I feel a dramatic reduction in governmental employment, an elimination
of civil service protections which do not have parallels in the
non-union private sector and a drastic reduction in retirement
benefits not to mention a much longer term of service before being
eligible for retirement of government employees.

Our governments need to return to being a service to the citizenry,
not a major employment sector of our economy. It used to be
government employment was for people that without many other options,
now it is a desirable career. That needs to change.

I have no problem with feeding the hungry, helping to care for the
sick, extending the public school education system to accommodate the
needs of an advancing society and establishing a national
apprenticeship and mentoring program.

Regardless of the patriotic rhetoric, I believe there are groups of
people who require and deserve a hand-up, not a hand-out, because of
many years of oppression and systemic disadvantage.

On 2016-12-04, Stormin' Norman wrote:
In fact, I advocate our country implement two year universal military
servitude for all citizens of a certain age,

Ah, so you are in favor of institutionalized slavery.

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