On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 6:54:30 AM UTC-6, VinnyB wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:03:21 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote in


I have used suction cup devices in the shower

This has been a very popular thread; no doubt because of all the old
crips in here. Another topic that I think you oldies would be
interested in is "walkers"

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...l_1b6xdhkdp7_b

Lots of nice one there.

Good luck.

I have a walker and a cane but I'm stuck in a wheelchair. It's very frustrating and something you may experience one day so you shouldn't make fun of it. When I was a young man, I never treated the elderly or disabled with disrespect and would go out of my way to help them. I do recommend that you ask a disabled person if it's OK if you help them since some of them are stubborn like me and want to open a door or pick up a package by themselves. Always offer to help little old ladies because they always thank you. The little old Black ladies will say,"Thank you baby." I don't wish disability on my worst enemy (I want them to burn in Hell) but youngsters will one day be oldsters so don't make fun of anyone who has a difficult time getting around or you'll burn in Hell. ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the shower.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 04:47:05 -0500, Tom Turquía
wrote:

On 11/27/2016 9:35 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Arnie Goetchius:
It will
be interesting to see how many days it takes before it falls off the wall.
I would say the real issue is what happens when/if it comes loose when
somebody grabs it - either for balance or to break a fall.

Waaaaay beyond "Interesting".

I plan to grab it every day just to see if it has come loose. I don't
need it yet, just planning for the future.


Wouldn't it be less effort to just properly install a grab bar?

That's what I did. One thing I DON'T need is my wife saying "I told
you so" when either she or I are laid up after a slip/fall and the bar
comes loose in hand!!!!

"Do it ONCE, do it RIGHT"

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the shower.

That is what I have done. My wife sits in a chair when taking a shower
so it will help her get up from the chair with it installed vertically

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:03:46 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the shower.

That is what I have done. My wife sits in a chair when taking a shower
so it will help her get up from the chair with it installed vertically

You are going to install a suction cup mount so your wife can pull herself
up and out of her chair?

Methinks that's a really terrible idea.

On 11/28/2016 9:02 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:03:46 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the shower.

That is what I have done. My wife sits in a chair when taking a shower
so it will help her get up from the chair with it installed vertically

You are going to install a suction cup mount so your wife can pull herself
up and out of her chair?

Methinks that's a really terrible idea.



I agree with that. It may work, but they are designed to steady
yourself, not to act as a pull bar.

My wife uses the horizontal bar in back of the shower when getting up.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 9:02 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:03:46 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a
chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One
issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the
shower.

That is what I have done. My wife sits in a chair when taking a shower
so it will help her get up from the chair with it installed vertically

You are going to install a suction cup mount so your wife can pull
herself
up and out of her chair?

Methinks that's a really terrible idea.



I agree with that. It may work, but they are designed to steady
yourself, not to act as a pull bar.

My wife uses the horizontal bar in back of the shower when getting up.

To be more precise, she will get up out of the chair using the arms of
the chair to help her stand up. After she opens the shower door, she
will then use the grab bar to steady herself as she walks out of the
shower.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 10:12:52 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 9:02 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:03:46 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a
chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One
issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the
shower.

That is what I have done. My wife sits in a chair when taking a shower
so it will help her get up from the chair with it installed vertically

You are going to install a suction cup mount so your wife can pull
herself
up and out of her chair?

Methinks that's a really terrible idea.



I agree with that. It may work, but they are designed to steady
yourself, not to act as a pull bar.

My wife uses the horizontal bar in back of the shower when getting up.

To be more precise, she will get up out of the chair using the arms of
the chair to help her stand up. After she opens the shower door, she
will then use the grab bar to steady herself as she walks out of the
shower.

Wow! That's quite different from "it will help her get up from the chair".

Interesting.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 10:12:52 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 9:02 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:03:46 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 8:58 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a
chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One
issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.


You may find it best mounted vertical to hold as you enter/exit the
shower.

That is what I have done. My wife sits in a chair when taking a shower
so it will help her get up from the chair with it installed vertically

You are going to install a suction cup mount so your wife can pull
herself
up and out of her chair?

Methinks that's a really terrible idea.



I agree with that. It may work, but they are designed to steady
yourself, not to act as a pull bar.

My wife uses the horizontal bar in back of the shower when getting up.

To be more precise, she will get up out of the chair using the arms of
the chair to help her stand up. After she opens the shower door, she
will then use the grab bar to steady herself as she walks out of the
shower.

Wow! That's quite different from "it will help her get up from the chair".


Correct. Should have explained the details this first time around

Interesting.

Here are the results of an age survery for this NG taken about 10
months ago. This is our kind of place! If anybody wants to add to
it, please do so.

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Ed P 70
Frank 76
FrozenNorth 55
Gordon 67
Kurt V 61
My 2 Cents 67
net cop 70
Oren 64
PaintedCow 65
Shade_Tree 69
T 58
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CRNG wrote:
Here are the results of an age survery for this NG taken about 10
months ago. This is our kind of place! If anybody wants to add to
it, please do so.

bob_villain 70
Bob Haller 59
clare s 64
CRNG 69
dadOH 82
Ed P 70
Frank 76
FrozenNorth 55
Gordon 67
Kurt V 61
My 2 Cents 67
net cop 70
Oren 64
PaintedCow 65
Shade_Tree 69
T 58
Tony H 76


Avg 67
Median 67
StDev 7

Arnie Goetchius 85

On 11/28/2016 10:12 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


To be more precise, she will get up out of the chair using the arms of
the chair to help her stand up. After she opens the shower door, she
will then use the grab bar to steady herself as she walks out of the
shower.


In that case, it will work well.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 2:05:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 10:12 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


To be more precise, she will get up out of the chair using the arms of
the chair to help her stand up. After she opens the shower door, she
will then use the grab bar to steady herself as she walks out of the
shower.


In that case, it will work well.

Until it doesn't.

Per CRNG:
This is our kind of place! If anybody wants to add to
it, please do so.

bob_villain 70
Bob Haller 59
clare s 64
CRNG 69
dadOH 82
Ed P 70
Frank 76
FrozenNorth 55
Gordon 67
Kurt V 61
My 2 Cents 67
net cop 70
Oren 64
PaintedCow 65
Shade_Tree 69
T 58
Tony H 76


Avg 67
Median 67
StDev 7

Pete Cresswell: 75.

Geeze, and I thought *I* was the old guy....
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:53:05 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per CRNG:
This is our kind of place! If anybody wants to add to
it, please do so.

bob_villain 70
Bob Haller 59
clare s 64
CRNG 69
dadOH 82
Ed P 70
Frank 76
FrozenNorth 55
Gordon 67
Kurt V 61
My 2 Cents 67
net cop 70
Oren 64
PaintedCow 65
Shade_Tree 69
T 58
Tony H 76


Avg 67
Median 67
StDev 7

Pete Cresswell: 75.

Geeze, and I thought *I* was the old guy....

Stormin Mormon (RIP) died recently. He never posted his age, but once
mentioned he was ~54 at the time. We miss Chris. He was a hoot to poke
at and banter with.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:53:05 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per CRNG:
This is our kind of place! If anybody wants to add to
it, please do so.

bob_villain 70
Bob Haller 59
clare s 64
CRNG 69
dadOH 82
Ed P 70
Frank 76
FrozenNorth 55
Gordon 67
Kurt V 61
My 2 Cents 67
net cop 70
Oren 64
PaintedCow 65
Shade_Tree 69
T 58
Tony H 76


Avg 67
Median 67
StDev 7

Pete Cresswell: 75.

Geeze, and I thought *I* was the old guy....

Stormin Mormon (RIP) died recently. He never posted his age, but once
mentioned he was ~54 at the time. We miss Chris. He was a hoot to poke
at and banter with.

I have little brothers and sisters in that age group. Out of 9, 4 of us kids are in our 60's. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Ancient Monster

Oren posted for all of us...



On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:59:51 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/27/2016 1:34 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:26:09 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote:

This product is intended for temporary attachment and
should be periodically reapplied as instructed.

That is the big problem with suction cups, environmental changes
combined with cleanliness and chemistry cause the cups to lose vacuum
at unpredictable times.

If you reapply them before using them each day, you will "probably" be
safe.


Mine stayed in place about a year at a time. Have you ever used one?
If so, tell me about your experience, if not you should learn more about
them.

Suction cups are used every day by glass and granite installers. They
may need an "occasional* adjustment or maintenance, but not everyday.

Sample @ Amazon:

https://tinyurl.com/zvlpqa4

(better ones cost way more)

But that's not a life safety issue...

Wait a minute, it was with the maroon who climbed Trump tower. Of he
safetied off every time so I don't know how confident he was.

--
Tekkie

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...



On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 6:54:30 AM UTC-6, VinnyB wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:03:21 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote in


I have used suction cup devices in the shower

This has been a very popular thread; no doubt because of all the old
crips in here. Another topic that I think you oldies would be
interested in is "walkers"

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...l_1b6xdhkdp7_b

Lots of nice one there.

Good luck.

I have a walker and a cane but I'm stuck in a wheelchair. It's very frustrating and something you may experience one day so you shouldn't make fun of it. When I was a young man, I never treated the elderly or disabled with disrespect and would go out of my way to help them. I do recommend that you ask a disabled person if it's OK if you help them since some of them are stubborn like me and want to open a door or pick up a package by themselves.
Always offer to help little old ladies because they always thank you. The little old Black ladies will say,"Thank you baby." I don't wish disability on my worst enemy (I want them to burn in Hell) but youngsters will one day be oldsters so don't make fun of anyone who has a difficult time getting around or you'll burn in Hell. +( ?_?)+

[8~{} Uncle Gimpy Monster

Karma Unc...

--
Tekkie

On 11/29/2016 01:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 2:05:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2016 10:12 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:


To be more precise, she will get up out of the chair using the arms of
the chair to help her stand up. After she opens the shower door, she
will then use the grab bar to steady herself as she walks out of the
shower.


In that case, it will work well.

Until it doesn't.


When she forgets to reapply the suction cups before getting up.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:58:08 AM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Tom TurquÃ*a wrote:
On 11/27/2016 9:35 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Arnie Goetchius:
It will
be interesting to see how many days it takes before it falls off the
wall.
I would say the real issue is what happens when/if it comes loose when
somebody grabs it - either for balance or to break a fall.

Waaaaay beyond "Interesting".

I plan to grab it every day just to see if it has come loose. I don't
need it yet, just planning for the future.


Wouldn't it be less effort to just properly install a grab bar?


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.

In some houses, there is an access panel on the other side of the faucet wall
so the shower plumbing can be serviced. If you have an access panel, you
should be able to see the studs. If not, you could open the wall and
then add a trimmed out access panel for future use.

You can make your own and trim it out to match your other trim or you
can buy pre-made access panels, e.g.

https://www.amazon.com/Oatey-34044-A.../dp/B005SRVJ0U

Obviously, the location of the panel and how it fits in with the layout
of your rooms would factor into that decision.

The problem here is that the other side of the faucet wall is also
covered with tile so I would have to rip all of that out so that
approach is really not feasible.

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 7:34:36 AM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:58:08 AM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Tom TurquÃ*a wrote:
On 11/27/2016 9:35 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Arnie Goetchius:
It will
be interesting to see how many days it takes before it falls off the
wall.
I would say the real issue is what happens when/if it comes loose when
somebody grabs it - either for balance or to break a fall.

Waaaaay beyond "Interesting".

I plan to grab it every day just to see if it has come loose. I don't
need it yet, just planning for the future.


Wouldn't it be less effort to just properly install a grab bar?


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.

In some houses, there is an access panel on the other side of the faucet wall
so the shower plumbing can be serviced. If you have an access panel, you
should be able to see the studs. If not, you could open the wall and
then add a trimmed out access panel for future use.

You can make your own and trim it out to match your other trim or you
can buy pre-made access panels, e.g.

https://www.amazon.com/Oatey-34044-A.../dp/B005SRVJ0U

Obviously, the location of the panel and how it fits in with the layout
of your rooms would factor into that decision.

The problem here is that the other side of the faucet wall is also
covered with tile so I would have to rip all of that out so that
approach is really not feasible.

I guess that depends on your definition of "not feasible" and I'm pretty
sure you wouldn't have to rip it *all* out.

DAGS 'access panel on tile wall' e.g.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2eab7a1567.jpg

You can buy inlay access panels that allow you to install tile.

http://www.accessdoorsandpanels.com/...el-for-tiling/

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 7:34:36 AM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 8:58:08 AM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Tom TurquÃ*a wrote:
On 11/27/2016 9:35 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Arnie Goetchius:
It will
be interesting to see how many days it takes before it falls off the
wall.
I would say the real issue is what happens when/if it comes loose when
somebody grabs it - either for balance or to break a fall.

Waaaaay beyond "Interesting".

I plan to grab it every day just to see if it has come loose. I don't
need it yet, just planning for the future.


Wouldn't it be less effort to just properly install a grab bar?


I'd like to do that eventually. Use of this device gives me a chance to
determine where I would actually want to install the grab bar. One issue
is that this grab bar would go on the wall where the shower head and
faucet handles are located and I'm not sure where the studs are.

In some houses, there is an access panel on the other side of the faucet wall
so the shower plumbing can be serviced. If you have an access panel, you
should be able to see the studs. If not, you could open the wall and
then add a trimmed out access panel for future use.

You can make your own and trim it out to match your other trim or you
can buy pre-made access panels, e.g.

https://www.amazon.com/Oatey-34044-A.../dp/B005SRVJ0U

Obviously, the location of the panel and how it fits in with the layout
of your rooms would factor into that decision.

The problem here is that the other side of the faucet wall is also
covered with tile so I would have to rip all of that out so that
approach is really not feasible.

I guess that depends on your definition of "not feasible" and I'm pretty
sure you wouldn't have to rip it *all* out.

DAGS 'access panel on tile wall' e.g.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2eab7a1567.jpg

You can buy inlay access panels that allow you to install tile.

http://www.accessdoorsandpanels.com/...el-for-tiling/

Neat stuff. Thanks for the ideas.