Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

If anyone has personally used one I would love to hear your comments!!

Thanks so much everyone!!! John

John wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

This will end up costing you more money. The site even admits that
heated water is going to be used for toilet flushing and other such
activities. This will add up fast! Not only that, but you'll have your
nice hot water constantly running through uninsulated copper pipes. This is
why your hot water gets cold in the pipes in the first place. Even when
you're not home you'll be losing money with this system.

True, you will pay less for water, but you'll pay more, A LOT more to
the gas or electric company.

Real hot-water re-circulators use a dedicated return line, and the pipes
are all insulated very well during installation. I've actually seen such a
system that used special manufactured insulated pipes.

The best bet for your washing machine: Run the hot tap in the adjacent
laundry tub (if you have one) until it gets hot.

-- Steve

John wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

This will end up costing you more money. The site even admits that
heated water is going to be used for toilet flushing and other such
activities. This will add up fast! Not only that, but you'll have your
nice hot water constantly running through uninsulated copper pipes. This is
why your hot water gets cold in the pipes in the first place. Even when
you're not home you'll be losing money with this system.

True, you will pay less for water, but you'll pay more, A LOT more to
the gas or electric company.

Real hot-water re-circulators use a dedicated return line, and the pipes
are all insulated very well during installation. I've actually seen such a
system that used special manufactured insulated pipes.

The best bet for your washing machine: Run the hot tap in the adjacent
laundry tub (if you have one) until it gets hot.

-- Steve

Hi Steve,
I thought that too, but I read a bit further and it says the water pushed
out of the "cooled" hot water pipes will slightly warm the cold side, which
makes sense..But the system doesn't keep recirculating over and over..The
bypass valve under the sink shuts off when the hot water reaches it,
preventing the hot water from entering the cold line..I imagine as this
valve cools it will slowly open, allowing some water pass until the water is
once again hot..Now, if this system was to run constantly I could see it
would cost a bunch to run but with the timer having multiple settings you
could make it only run say, an hour in the morning for bathing, and a couple
or three hours in the evening during washing/cooking ect times..I even found
one system that instead of a timer, it has a push button that is mounted
discreetly in the cabinet work and you push to activate, and wireless remote
buttons are available to put in each bathroom..They say when you get ready
to shower or whatever, push the button and it activates the system on a need
be basis..I sorta like that idea..But hopefully someone here has tried one
of these so we can see the results...I wish I had a washbasin near the
laundry but I don't...The nearest faucet to the laundry is in the kitchen,
but still you would have to put wasted water into the septic...
Thanks!! John



"Steve Smith" wrote in message
...
John wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just
getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I
could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

This will end up costing you more money. The site even admits that
heated water is going to be used for toilet flushing and other such
activities. This will add up fast! Not only that, but you'll have your
nice hot water constantly running through uninsulated copper pipes. This
is
why your hot water gets cold in the pipes in the first place. Even when
you're not home you'll be losing money with this system.

True, you will pay less for water, but you'll pay more, A LOT more to
the gas or electric company.

Real hot-water re-circulators use a dedicated return line, and the
pipes
are all insulated very well during installation. I've actually seen such
a
system that used special manufactured insulated pipes.

The best bet for your washing machine: Run the hot tap in the
adjacent
laundry tub (if you have one) until it gets hot.

-- Steve

Hi Steve,
I thought that too, but I read a bit further and it says the water pushed
out of the "cooled" hot water pipes will slightly warm the cold side, which
makes sense..But the system doesn't keep recirculating over and over..The
bypass valve under the sink shuts off when the hot water reaches it,
preventing the hot water from entering the cold line..I imagine as this
valve cools it will slowly open, allowing some water pass until the water is
once again hot..Now, if this system was to run constantly I could see it
would cost a bunch to run but with the timer having multiple settings you
could make it only run say, an hour in the morning for bathing, and a couple
or three hours in the evening during washing/cooking ect times..I even found
one system that instead of a timer, it has a push button that is mounted
discreetly in the cabinet work and you push to activate, and wireless remote
buttons are available to put in each bathroom..They say when you get ready
to shower or whatever, push the button and it activates the system on a need
be basis..I sorta like that idea..But hopefully someone here has tried one
of these so we can see the results...I wish I had a washbasin near the
laundry but I don't...The nearest faucet to the laundry is in the kitchen,
but still you would have to put wasted water into the septic...
Thanks!! John



"Steve Smith" wrote in message
...
John wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just
getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I
could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

This will end up costing you more money. The site even admits that
heated water is going to be used for toilet flushing and other such
activities. This will add up fast! Not only that, but you'll have your
nice hot water constantly running through uninsulated copper pipes. This
is
why your hot water gets cold in the pipes in the first place. Even when
you're not home you'll be losing money with this system.

True, you will pay less for water, but you'll pay more, A LOT more to
the gas or electric company.

Real hot-water re-circulators use a dedicated return line, and the
pipes
are all insulated very well during installation. I've actually seen such
a
system that used special manufactured insulated pipes.

The best bet for your washing machine: Run the hot tap in the
adjacent
laundry tub (if you have one) until it gets hot.

-- Steve

I bought an Laing autocirc under our kitchen sink a few months ago and it
has helped. It's not the dramatic improvement I had hoped for at the sink,
however the bathrooms get hot water much more quickly than before. The cold
water at the kitchen sink is just tepid for a moment, then it gets cold, not
too much of a problem.

http://www.lainginc.com

They sell these at Home Depot, but I found ours on ebay for $140. For that
price I thought I'd give it a try. When we re-do our kitchen next year I'll
still use the pump, but I think I will put a dedicated return line to the
water heater, and insulate all of our pipes.

FWIW.


"John" wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

If anyone has personally used one I would love to hear your comments!!

Thanks so much everyone!!! John

I bought an Laing autocirc under our kitchen sink a few months ago and it
has helped. It's not the dramatic improvement I had hoped for at the sink,
however the bathrooms get hot water much more quickly than before. The cold
water at the kitchen sink is just tepid for a moment, then it gets cold, not
too much of a problem.

http://www.lainginc.com

They sell these at Home Depot, but I found ours on ebay for $140. For that
price I thought I'd give it a try. When we re-do our kitchen next year I'll
still use the pump, but I think I will put a dedicated return line to the
water heater, and insulate all of our pipes.

FWIW.


"John" wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

If anyone has personally used one I would love to hear your comments!!

Thanks so much everyone!!! John

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, John wrote:
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..

Properly designed and insulated hot water recirc systems, limited to the
hot water system only, may be justified to avoid water waste for large
systems. But frankly I would never buy a system that circulates lukewarm
water into my cold drinking water pipes.

For laundry, I simply turn my washer to "hot" until the water warms, and
then set it to "warm", but my water heater is within 10'.

--
David Efflandt - All spam ignored http://www.de-srv.com/

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, John wrote:
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..

Properly designed and insulated hot water recirc systems, limited to the
hot water system only, may be justified to avoid water waste for large
systems. But frankly I would never buy a system that circulates lukewarm
water into my cold drinking water pipes.

For laundry, I simply turn my washer to "hot" until the water warms, and
then set it to "warm", but my water heater is within 10'.

--
David Efflandt - All spam ignored http://www.de-srv.com/

Does the washer really take that long to heat the water? Hmmm, I guess I
could imagine 5 minutes to heat a couple of gallons x 3 fills (wash plus 2
rinses) would add about 15 minutes to a load. My laundry schedule is limited
by the dryer, but with a front loader you save drier time because of the
faster spin...

If the time is really an issue, try using a point-of-use electric water
heater at the washer. I've seen under-lav mounting units that "instant" heat
with a kW or two for not too much money. They don't have a huge flow rate
(without taking a massive amount of gas or electric) but you should still
save time over the washer heating it up. The electricity bill will be
exactly the same as you have now - you would just be using a beefier heater
to heat the water quicker.

Bob

"John" wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

If anyone has personally used one I would love to hear your comments!!

Thanks so much everyone!!! John

Does the washer really take that long to heat the water? Hmmm, I guess I
could imagine 5 minutes to heat a couple of gallons x 3 fills (wash plus 2
rinses) would add about 15 minutes to a load. My laundry schedule is limited
by the dryer, but with a front loader you save drier time because of the
faster spin...

If the time is really an issue, try using a point-of-use electric water
heater at the washer. I've seen under-lav mounting units that "instant" heat
with a kW or two for not too much money. They don't have a huge flow rate
(without taking a massive amount of gas or electric) but you should still
save time over the washer heating it up. The electricity bill will be
exactly the same as you have now - you would just be using a beefier heater
to heat the water quicker.

Bob

"John" wrote in message
...
Hello group..
I have seen a few of these advertised, and was wondering if they really
work..They claim to save you a bunch of water which is wasted by waiting
for
the hot water to arrive to the faucet..My desired use is for the
laundry..The laundry room is quite a distance from the water heater, and
being a water efficient front load washer, it uses very little water and
on
a hot water wash, by the time the washer fills, the water is just getting
hot which then makes the washer heat its own water making a very long
cycle..If these things really work, this would be a life saver as I could
program the water circulator pump to come on when I do laundry
usually...Here is an example of this system:
http://www.rewci.com/whhohotwaci.html

If anyone has personally used one I would love to hear your comments!!

Thanks so much everyone!!! John

"Bob" wrote in
:

The RedyTemp hot water recirculator is the perfect answer for this problem.
The RedyTemp does not recirculate continuosly and it also does not shut off
at 97 degree's like most others, it is the only one with a automatic
temperature control comfort adjustment capability. With the RedyTemps
ability to run in auto, manual and timed operation the user can start it
only when he wants to do a load of laundry. But, whats more important is
that the RedyTemp does have failure issues due to calcium / hard water as
all others on the market do! See a movie of a 10 yr old install a RedyTemp
in less then 3 minutes. It couldn't be easier or more efficient. Redytemp
has a builtin circuitry which constantly adjust pump operations dependant
on the users temperature adjustments which are right on the face of the
unit. Its attractive in appearance and is the undisputed superior product
on the market.

www.RedyTemp.com