On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 23:30:09 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/22/2016 8:58 PM, Micky wrote:
On 22 Feb 2016 18:02:59 GMT, KenK wrote:

Prepping the swamp cooler for summer. Unlike last year, the calcium scraped
off easily in the pan!

Changed one cooling pad and it wore me out. I'll have to do the others in
two steps - remove one day, put in new one the next. sigh Wasn't that
long ago I did all three quickly in one session. Soon fiddle with water
lines to pads. That's always a lot of fun, removing and cleaning out these
that are plugged up.

My good friend is 79 years old and was in great shape until 2 weeks
ago (5 years ago he was still carrying around, erecting, and climbing
a 20 foot fiberglass extension ladeer.) His father lived to 93, his
mother almost 100, wore high heels until she was 93.

My MIL is 90, and she's just now starting to slow down a bit.

But in the snow he stopped to help someone push his car out. Hurt his
shoulder, but still went to work for two days. Pain bad, doctor said
rotator cuff damaged. Physical therapy did something and now his neck

A few years ago I had pain in my right rotator cuff, and it seemed like
it would never stop hurting. But, luckily, after about 2 years of
babying it, it finally healed up and doesn't hurt any more.

and back hurts. Saw him today, after the chiropractor, he could
barely walk, drooling from some pain medicine.

I've hurt my back several times and chiropractors did their thing for
me. The last time I picked up a laundry basket that turned out to be
heavier than I expected it to be and felt something in my low back
object. It hurt so badly that I thought I had done something really
serious to it because I could barely walk. I ended up in the
chiropractors office every day for a week, and he adjusted my back each
day and had me walking comfortably after the 2nd adjustment. I was able
to get on a plane at the end of the week to go to my daughters wedding

Glad you made the weddding. My friend has international airplane
tickets for next month. He has travel insurance though.

out of town, but I had strict orders that I wasn't allowed to life
anything and to see him again when I got back to finish up the
treatments. After that incident, I'm really careful about lifting stuff.

Good luck.

All from the car which belonged to a stranger.

On 2016-02-24 6:36 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:51:06 PM UTC-6, Zak W wrote:
Oh, this is the perfect thread for AHR. All you old crips sitting around at
home (which includes nursing homes of course) in you wheel chairs talking
about your injuries and infirmities. You love to do it and I love to read
it because it reminds me how lucky I am to not be you. Make sure your life
insurance is paid up.

Here's to your SWMBOs.

How typical of the sort of jerk you are Wacky Zacky. You remind me of the kind
of the assholes who will walk right past a disabled person having trouble
getting a door open or someone trying to reach an item on the top shelf in a
grocery store. The world is full of wonderful people who will take the time to
help the infirm, you're just not one of them. o_O

I am always helping short or elderly people get something off the upper
shelves in the grocery store, it is so easy to spot the short person
looking at something up high and wanting it. If they do not ask me, I
ask them if they need a hand. The smiles and thanks I get in return
last a while, being 6'5" makes it an easy job for me.

--
Froz...

Quando omni flunkus, moritati

On 2/24/2016 7:13 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 5:56:43 PM UTC-6, Zak W wrote:
Roy wrote in
:

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 2:51:06 PM UTC-7, Zak W wrote:
Oh, this is the perfect thread for AHR. All you old crips sitting
around at home (which includes nursing homes of course) in you wheel
chairs talking about your injuries and infirmities. You love to do it
and I love to read it because it reminds me how lucky I am to not be
you. Make sure your life insurance is paid up.

Here's to your SWMBOs.

I sincerely hope you NEVER get old...

Yeah, me too. When I see what you crips are like, it scares me.

why not die tomorrow?...maybe
even plan for it. ====

Not a chance. Too much fun laughing at you crips.

Oh come on Wacky Zacky, make a lethal YouTube video of you doing something stupid dangerous that splatters your body all over the place. I'd watch it along with millions of other people. You'd be famous and wind up on the TV shows that feature videos of dumbasses doing idiotic things. Go for it! ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Entertained Monster


There are some advantages of being old I have been thinking of.
Senior citizen discounts for example.
The government gives you more money than they take from you.
Nice people will often try to help you even when you don't need it.
I no longer have to pay for a hunting license.
Attractive females feel free to talk to you as you do not appear to be a
threat.

Now you have given me another advantage in your discussion with Z-W:
you're not as stupid as the younger generation.

Per Frank:
There are some advantages of being old I have been thinking of.
Senior citizen discounts for example.
The government gives you more money than they take from you.
Nice people will often try to help you even when you don't need it.
I no longer have to pay for a hunting license.
Attractive females feel free to talk to you as you do not appear to be a
threat.

- Young women hold the door open for you

- Sex is optional and not mandatory
--
Pete Cresswell

I think the big difference is how we pay for it. I pay for
insurance, you pay in taxes though overall it may be cheaper for you.

Not entirely true, in Ontario, Health Care is paid as a separate insurance
item on the income tax form for those who earn more than $20,000 in a year,
employers pay a portion for each employee directly, and the balance is paid
through federal and provincial tax contributions. This is only for items
covered, which is quite a lot, the rest we pay ourselves or have a separate
Health Care Supplement insurance. Over 65 years of age, our Medicare covers
some additional items and prescription drugs.

(PeteCresswell) posted for all of us...



Per Dan Espen:
I don't know what it is about being outside. Probably some primitive
instinct bred into us.

Long time ago, I flew out to Albuquerque NM for a job interview at the
local electric company.

Seemed like most of the linemen were Native Americans.


I don't know if it's what Don Y posted but I find that's true of many
places. They don't like their boss; doesn't have any field experience;
doesn't have a clue what they are doing. They see the inside as the source
of problems or see things that don't make sense to them. Or they like being
outside, it's what they are equipped for and used to.

--
Tekkie

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...

When I was a kid, we played outside and wandered the neighborhood all
day long. We even walked to the grammar school that was many blocks
away. In our sick society of today, parents are arrested if they allow their
children walk to the park alone. It's safer to let kids stay inside playing
video games and get pudgy. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Chubby Monster

How else can they sell buses and Athletic Dept's?

I used to walk 2.4 miles (uphill both ways) to the elementary school.
Supposedly the limit was 2 miles. Didn't bother me.

Now the kids are driven by the parent to the end of the driveway and if not
picked up within 5 minutes call the bus dispatcher and ream them out.

"It's for the kids"
--
Tekkie

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...



On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:42:33 AM UTC-6, KenK wrote:
Don Y wrote in news:nag3a4$oem$1@dont-
email.me:

Surprisingly, many EYE injuries (in seniors) are the result of
falling and striking the eye on something.

I almost did that a few months ago. In the dark I hit the corner of a
kitchen cabinet door right above my eye. Down an inch...

+1 The brim is the problem. When I was a FF we used the newer style helmet
which didn't have much of a front brim but the face shield would pivot up
and one could still see. The problem was with the SCBA. couldn't see much
peripherally. Now thermal imaging cameras work wonders.

--
Tekkie

On 2/24/2016 12:00 PM, EXT wrote:

I think the big difference is how we pay for it. I pay for
insurance, you pay in taxes though overall it may be cheaper for you.

Not entirely true, in Ontario, Health Care is paid as a separate insurance item
on the income tax form for those who earn more than $20,000 in a year,
employers pay a portion for each employee directly, and the balance is paid
through federal and provincial tax contributions. This is only for items
covered, which is quite a lot, the rest we pay ourselves or have a separate
Health Care Supplement insurance. Over 65 years of age, our Medicare covers
some additional items and prescription drugs.

I'm sure I can look this up, somewhere, but easier when the horse
is on hand! :

Neglecting, for a moment, the "Supplement", is your "Health Care"
a "single payer innsurance"? I.e., all health care "providers"
are independant entities (businesses) that *bill* the "Central
Government" for the services that they provide?

Or, is it more like Britain's -- where the providers are actually
EMPLOYEES of the government? As such, the government is providing
the service instead of just "underwriting" it?

The "Supplement", presumably, covers things that "Health Care"
doesn't. Is it really an insurance policy? Does it use the
same providers as the aforementioned? (gummit vs private sector)
Said another way, does this cover things that the aforementioned
CAN'T cover (chooses not to have the capabilities to provide)?
Or, does it cover things that yo (as a society) have decided
aren't "rights" but, rather, optional privileges?

And, of course, the toughest question of all (one that *I* would
be as clueless to answer as you may be), what sorts of things fall
into this Supplemental coverage?

To pick on more outrageous examples:
- if I broke a hip and was 97 years old, would that be covered
under the "basic"? Or, would I have had to have purchased
supplemental for it? presumably, if I broke it when I was 62
it would be part of basic coverage (but, at 97, your policies
may have decided that the expected value of the repair don't
significantly improve my REMAINING quality of life)
- if I wanted a sex change operation?
- breast augmentation/reduction? (with or without medical justification)
- IVF at 55 years of age? 65? 25?

(see where I'm going with this? i.e., what has your society
decided are the "rights" to health care and for which portions
of the population?)

Keep in mind, the US has the *best* health care, bar none!
(tongue planted firmly in BOTH cheeks!)

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:55:24 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

wrote:
I know a lot of "seniors" who THINK they cant do a lot of stuff
anymore. I'm in that same age group. I dont ACT OLD. We all have a
choice. We can ACT OLD, or ACT YOUNG. I have a few health issues, but
I will continue to ACT YOUNG, and enjoy life till the day I drop dead.

I know far too many seniors who seem to spend most of their lives
thinking about nothing but health, medications, aches and pains, and
let doctors rule their lives.

I'll say this. As I've increased my activity level, the aches and pains have
definitely decreased. My joints rarely ache like they used to. My reflexes are
faster. And I've gotten significantly better at both volleyball and snowboarding
in the last couple years. I am really having FUN! Screw getting old.

Nobody ever told anyone over 60 to act their age

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-6, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 2016-02-24 6:36 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 3:51:06 PM UTC-6, Zak W wrote:
Oh, this is the perfect thread for AHR. All you old crips sitting around at
home (which includes nursing homes of course) in you wheel chairs talking
about your injuries and infirmities. You love to do it and I love to read
it because it reminds me how lucky I am to not be you. Make sure your life
insurance is paid up.

Here's to your SWMBOs.

How typical of the sort of jerk you are Wacky Zacky. You remind me of the kind
of the assholes who will walk right past a disabled person having trouble
getting a door open or someone trying to reach an item on the top shelf in a
grocery store. The world is full of wonderful people who will take the time to
help the infirm, you're just not one of them. o_O

I am always helping short or elderly people get something off the upper
shelves in the grocery store, it is so easy to spot the short person
looking at something up high and wanting it. If they do not ask me, I
ask them if they need a hand. The smiles and thanks I get in return
last a while, being 6'5" makes it an easy job for me.
--
Froz...

That makes you a nice guy. I have a post I'm going to make later about the birthday of the world's tallest man. I think he was 8'11" when he passed away at a young age. Oh yea, I'm only 5'12". ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Short Monster

On 2/24/2016 3:14 PM, Tekkie® wrote:


I used to walk 2.4 miles (uphill both ways) to the elementary school.
Supposedly the limit was 2 miles. Didn't bother me.

Now the kids are driven by the parent to the end of the driveway and if not
picked up within 5 minutes call the bus dispatcher and ream them out.

"It's for the kids"


I walked about the same distance to high school, but it was uphill only
one way. Going home we had to go down that slippery slope.

On school days it was always raining with 40 mph winds too.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:37:46 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 2/24/2016 12:00 PM, EXT wrote:

I think the big difference is how we pay for it. I pay for
insurance, you pay in taxes though overall it may be cheaper for you.

Not entirely true, in Ontario, Health Care is paid as a separate insurance item
on the income tax form for those who earn more than $20,000 in a year,
employers pay a portion for each employee directly, and the balance is paid
through federal and provincial tax contributions. This is only for items
covered, which is quite a lot, the rest we pay ourselves or have a separate
Health Care Supplement insurance. Over 65 years of age, our Medicare covers
some additional items and prescription drugs.

I'm sure I can look this up, somewhere, but easier when the horse
is on hand! :

Neglecting, for a moment, the "Supplement", is your "Health Care"
a "single payer innsurance"? I.e., all health care "providers"
are independant entities (businesses) that *bill* the "Central
Government" for the services that they provide?

Or, is it more like Britain's -- where the providers are actually
EMPLOYEES of the government? As such, the government is providing
the service instead of just "underwriting" it?
The hospitals are locally run and government funded.
Doctors bill the provincial health system directly
The Old Age "supplement" covers things like most perscription drugs
that pre-65 folks pay for themselves or hold private supplemental
insurance for.

The "Supplement", presumably, covers things that "Health Care"
doesn't. Is it really an insurance policy? Does it use the
same providers as the aforementioned? (gummit vs private sector)
Said another way, does this cover things that the aforementioned
CAN'T cover (chooses not to have the capabilities to provide)?
Or, does it cover things that yo (as a society) have decided
aren't "rights" but, rather, optional privileges?

There is no official cutoff age for any surgery - Hip and knee
replacements, heart valves, bypasses etc are covered as long as a
"quality of life" arguement can be made for it.
And, of course, the toughest question of all (one that *I* would
be as clueless to answer as you may be), what sorts of things fall
into this Supplemental coverage?

To pick on more outrageous examples:
- if I broke a hip and was 97 years old, would that be covered
under the "basic"? Or, would I have had to have purchased
supplemental for it? presumably, if I broke it when I was 62
it would be part of basic coverage (but, at 97, your policies
may have decided that the expected value of the repair don't
significantly improve my REMAINING quality of life)
- if I wanted a sex change operation?
- breast augmentation/reduction? (with or without medical justification)
- IVF at 55 years of age? 65? 25?

Cosmetic surgery is not covered unless it is "medically necessary"

Not sure about IVF or sex change - I'm pretty sure a sex change at 93
would not be covered!!!!
(see where I'm going with this? i.e., what has your society
decided are the "rights" to health care and for which portions
of the population?)

Keep in mind, the US has the *best* health care, bar none!
(tongue planted firmly in BOTH cheeks!)

On 2/24/2016 3:29 PM, wrote:
I'm sure I can look this up, somewhere, but easier when the horse
is on hand! :

Neglecting, for a moment, the "Supplement", is your "Health Care"
a "single payer innsurance"? I.e., all health care "providers"
are independant entities (businesses) that *bill* the "Central
Government" for the services that they provide?

Or, is it more like Britain's -- where the providers are actually
EMPLOYEES of the government? As such, the government is providing
the service instead of just "underwriting" it?
The hospitals are locally run and government funded.

Not wanting to split hairs, but... my point is, are the hospitals
"for profit" entities that compete with each other -- just "billing"
the government for the services they provide?

Or, are their budgets set *in* the government -- there's no
"extra money" that they can glean from providing services?

If I hire someone to make me a sandwich, they will presumably
make a profit on that activity. OTOH, if I make a sandwich
for myself and have to dip into "petty cash" for the funds,
my "budget" only sees the cost of buying the provisions for
that sandwich.

Doctors bill the provincial health system directly

So, they are not *employees* of the health system?

Said another way, if one doctor can get by paying his
office staff 10% less (so, his cost of providing a service
is 10% less!), does he end up making 10% more than the
practitioner who pays a better wage (or, is less efficient
in providing care -- possibly because they provide BETTER
care?)

The Old Age "supplement" covers things like most perscription drugs
that pre-65 folks pay for themselves or hold private supplemental
insurance for.

The "Supplement", presumably, covers things that "Health Care"
doesn't. Is it really an insurance policy? Does it use the
same providers as the aforementioned? (gummit vs private sector)
Said another way, does this cover things that the aforementioned
CAN'T cover (chooses not to have the capabilities to provide)?
Or, does it cover things that yo (as a society) have decided
aren't "rights" but, rather, optional privileges?

There is no official cutoff age for any surgery - Hip and knee
replacements, heart valves, bypasses etc are covered as long as a
"quality of life" arguement can be made for it.

But there are limited resources. Who decides that the quality of THIS life
justifies these dollars whereas the quality of THAT life may not be AS
JUSTIFIED?

I'm thinking of a discussion I saw on TV in Manchester (England) many
years ago. An example that they put forth was: do we fix an 84 year
old's *hip* (expecting that 84 year old to be nearing or past nominal
life expectancy) OR use the SAME FUNDS to vaccinate a bunch of toddlers?

Presumably, the gummit doesn't just "bill the populace" (via taxes)
for the costs of the past year's health care. So, there are some
sorts of limits in place that RATION coverage?

A limit case: imagine a pandemic (or something similar) that suddenly
and dramatically increases the monies outlayed for health care in a
given year (AIDS, SARS, Hepatitis, etc.). Does anyone get turned away?
Or, does the service just operate at a deficit? What happens to the
tax levy NEXT year? Is it automagically increased to make up for
the deficit incurred in the previous year? Or, are benefits adjusted??

And, of course, the toughest question of all (one that *I* would
be as clueless to answer as you may be), what sorts of things fall
into this Supplemental coverage?

To pick on more outrageous examples:
- if I broke a hip and was 97 years old, would that be covered
under the "basic"? Or, would I have had to have purchased
supplemental for it? presumably, if I broke it when I was 62
it would be part of basic coverage (but, at 97, your policies
may have decided that the expected value of the repair don't
significantly improve my REMAINING quality of life)
- if I wanted a sex change operation?
- breast augmentation/reduction? (with or without medical justification)
- IVF at 55 years of age? 65? 25?

Cosmetic surgery is not covered unless it is "medically necessary"

Not sure about IVF or sex change - I'm pretty sure a sex change at 93
would not be covered!!!!

A friend is suffering from heart failure. An LVAD could extend his life
for some period of time -- at some significant expense (have to also
factor in expected complications and cost of treating those). But,
hes already "outlived his genes" by 30 years. If those monies are coming
from a gummit fund, somebody is potentially losing SOME benefit...

What's the calculus that's performed? Is it an actuarial calculation
or a "heart strings" one?

(see where I'm going with this? i.e., what has your society
decided are the "rights" to health care and for which portions
of the population?)

Keep in mind, the US has the *best* health care, bar none!
(tongue planted firmly in BOTH cheeks!)

On 2/24/2016 11:09 AM, Micky wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 23:30:09 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/22/2016 8:58 PM, Micky wrote:
On 22 Feb 2016 18:02:59 GMT, KenK wrote:

Prepping the swamp cooler for summer. Unlike last year, the calcium scraped
off easily in the pan!

Changed one cooling pad and it wore me out. I'll have to do the others in
two steps - remove one day, put in new one the next. sigh Wasn't that
long ago I did all three quickly in one session. Soon fiddle with water
lines to pads. That's always a lot of fun, removing and cleaning out these
that are plugged up.

My good friend is 79 years old and was in great shape until 2 weeks
ago (5 years ago he was still carrying around, erecting, and climbing
a 20 foot fiberglass extension ladeer.) His father lived to 93, his
mother almost 100, wore high heels until she was 93.

My MIL is 90, and she's just now starting to slow down a bit.

But in the snow he stopped to help someone push his car out. Hurt his
shoulder, but still went to work for two days. Pain bad, doctor said
rotator cuff damaged. Physical therapy did something and now his neck

A few years ago I had pain in my right rotator cuff, and it seemed like
it would never stop hurting. But, luckily, after about 2 years of
babying it, it finally healed up and doesn't hurt any more.

and back hurts. Saw him today, after the chiropractor, he could
barely walk, drooling from some pain medicine.

I've hurt my back several times and chiropractors did their thing for
me. The last time I picked up a laundry basket that turned out to be
heavier than I expected it to be and felt something in my low back
object. It hurt so badly that I thought I had done something really
serious to it because I could barely walk. I ended up in the
chiropractors office every day for a week, and he adjusted my back each
day and had me walking comfortably after the 2nd adjustment. I was able
to get on a plane at the end of the week to go to my daughters wedding

Glad you made the weddding. My friend has international airplane
tickets for next month. He has travel insurance though.

out of town, but I had strict orders that I wasn't allowed to life
anything and to see him again when I got back to finish up the
treatments. After that incident, I'm really careful about lifting stuff.

Good luck.


Thanks, Micky. Hope you're doing well these days.

--
Maggie

On 2/24/2016 5:57 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-6, net cop wrote:
SeaNymph writes:

On 2/23/2016 12:33 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 2/23/2016 7:12 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Don Y:
OTOH,
dig for two minutes and it's hammering away!

I avoid digging and shoveling snow. Both are just too far outside of
my accustomed exertion window.

Snow is problematic for several reasons:
- WET snow (slush) is just too damn heavy! Couple that with the size of
most
snow shovels and it's backbreaking (and heart-stopping) work!
- dry snow (powder) is light -- often too light and blows off the shovel in
brisk winds -- but it's still up-and-down, up-and-down... lower back
abuse
- inevitably, snow is accompanied by an underlayer of ice. This makes
keeping your footing difficult. And, means you have to CHOP ICE to
complete the job.
- it's cold when you're shoveling; you're bundled up so you're PERSPIRING
from the exertion while your exposed skin is FREEZING. Easy to
overheat.
- snow *needs* to be cleared "now"; it's not like you can spread the
job out over several days! By contrast, I can dig a ditch for an
irrigation line over the course of WEEKS, if I so choose! (when I
dug out the last tree stump, the front yard looked like an
archeological excavation for 6 full months!)

I'm far from the notion of "spring chicken" but I enjoy shoveling
snow. The snow here is almost always dry, so it's more pushing than
shoveling. We have a long driveway and I just enjoy being
outside. The sun shines a lot in the winter here, so it's not too bad.
I usually wear a light hoodie, regardless of the temperature. I'm
more concerned about my ears than anything else


One word of caution, when I was younger we lived in a place where we had
to shovel out about a quarter mile of snow. We were outside all day
in the sun. I found out the hard way, you can get a serious sunburn
out in the snow.

I don't know what it is about being outside. Probably some primitive
instinct bred into us.



When I was a kid, we played outside and wandered the neighborhood all day long. We even walked to the grammar school that was many blocks away. In our sick society of today, parents are arrested if they allow their children walk to the park alone. It's safer to let kids stay inside playing video games and get pudgy. o_O


When I was a kid I'd go outside and play all day and come in when my mom
would call me for dinner. One of my favorite things to do was build
kites and fly them all day long. One day I had my kite so high up in
the sky it looked like a dot. All the boys in the neighborhood would
ride their bikes around the neighborhood looking for the boy who was
flying THAT kite. When they saw it was a girl, they shook their head in
disgust and rode away. LOL I thought it was funny.

--
Maggie

On 2/24/2016 5:09 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/23/2016 3:26 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:03:48 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/22/2016 11:56 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 11:21:53 PM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/22/2016 11:03 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 1:22:59 PM UTC-6, net cop wrote:
KenK writes:

Prepping the swamp cooler for summer. Unlike last year, the calcium scraped
off easily in the pan!

Changed one cooling pad and it wore me out. I'll have to do the others in
two steps - remove one day, put in new one the next. sigh Wasn't that
long ago I did all three quickly in one session. Soon fiddle with water
lines to pads. That's always a lot of fun, removing and cleaning out these
that are plugged up.

I'm at 70 and I swim 3x a week.
Still putting on muscle.
I'm wondering how long this can go on before I really
start to get less physically fit.

Anyway, my advice to all seniors. You need to exercise.
If you can't walk far, try walking farther.
If you can walk, run.
If you don't want to exercise, you've given up.

When I arrived here at the nursing home a year ago, I couldn't stand up or even get into a wheelchair without help. Now, using a walker, I can travel a short distance up and down the hallway. I can also walk across the room and back using only my cane for assistance. I'm going to walk without any kind of assistance within this year. In January, I crawled up a short flight of stairs but I'm going to be able to walk up a flight of stairs this year. I'm also going to be able to climb a ladder this year. I'm going to be able to do these things because I'm angry. I'm angry and frustrated at being disabled which is why I'm doing something about it despite the pain. I'm not giving up! o_O

I'm rooting for you!

Thanks Muggs. I can't chase girls right now because they can get away by walking up a short flight of stairs. I'm going to be able to catch them again some day. o_O

I'm guessing some of them will even let you catch them. ;-)



The toddlers and younger are the easiest to catch. When they get older and can run, that's when it gets tough to catch them. ^_^


That's true, but they have way more energy they can expend in trying to
get away after being captured!



I don't have to chase them because when I visit friends with small children, the munchkins head straight for me and climb in my lap. ^_^

Just shows how they think you're a cuddly monster!

--
Maggie

On 2/25/2016 1:26 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/24/2016 5:09 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/23/2016 3:26 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:03:48 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/22/2016 11:56 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 11:21:53 PM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/22/2016 11:03 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 1:22:59 PM UTC-6, net cop wrote:
KenK writes:

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On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 12:25:59 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/24/2016 5:09 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

*******************Trim Da Phat********************

When I arrived here at the nursing home a year ago, I couldn't stand up or even get into a wheelchair without help. Now, using a walker, I can travel a short distance up and down the hallway. I can also walk across the room and back using only my cane for assistance. I'm going to walk without any kind of assistance within this year. In January, I crawled up a short flight of stairs but I'm going to be able to walk up a flight of stairs this year. I'm also going to be able to climb a ladder this year. I'm going to be able to do these things because I'm angry. I'm angry and frustrated at being disabled which is why I'm doing something about it despite the pain. I'm not giving up! o_O

I'm rooting for you!

Thanks Muggs. I can't chase girls right now because they can get away by walking up a short flight of stairs. I'm going to be able to catch them again some day. o_O

I'm guessing some of them will even let you catch them. ;-)

The toddlers and younger are the easiest to catch. When they get older and can run, that's when it gets tough to catch them. ^_^

That's true, but they have way more energy they can expend in trying to
get away after being captured!

I don't have to chase them because when I visit friends with small children, the munchkins head straight for me and climb in my lap. ^_^

Just shows how they think you're a cuddly monster!
--
Maggie

I may be a monster who eats small children but when one of my little pals crawls into my lap, I give them a hug and wonder how on earth could any adult harm a child. I know that some children are the spawn of Satan but they don't need to be abused. Tactile reinforcement judiciously applied to a sensitive but not so easily damaged body part can often get their attention causing them to respond favorably to verbal reinforcement. Really stubborn spawn often need the process repeated on a regular basis. I know this because I am the spawn of Satan. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Evil Monster

On 2/25/2016 6:56 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

I may be a monster who eats small children but when one of my little pals crawls into my lap, I give them a hug and wonder how on earth could any adult harm a child. I know that some children are the spawn of Satan but they don't need to be abused. Tactile reinforcement judiciously applied to a sensitive but not so easily damaged body part can often get their attention causing them to respond favorably to verbal reinforcement. Really stubborn spawn often need the process repeated on a regular basis. I know this because I am the spawn of Satan. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Evil Monster


All through recorded history, many children have needed
constant reminders. We had such a lesson in church a
couple weeks ago. Book of Mormon figures Nephi, versus
his brother Laman. Oh, what a differnce.

And it came to pass that their elderly parents.... had no
fun at all with Laman. And this came to pass long before
ibuprophen.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 2/25/2016 5:56 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 12:25:59 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 2/24/2016 5:09 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

*******************Trim Da Phat********************

I don't have to chase them because when I visit friends with small children, the munchkins head straight for me and climb in my lap. ^_^


Just shows how they think you're a cuddly monster!


I may be a monster who eats small children but when one of my little pals crawls into my lap, I give them a hug and wonder how on earth could any adult harm a child. I know that some children are the spawn of Satan but they don't need to be abused. Tactile reinforcement judiciously applied to a sensitive but not so easily damaged body part can often get their attention causing them to respond favorably to verbal reinforcement. Really stubborn spawn often need the process repeated on a regular basis. I know this because I am the spawn of Satan. ^_^



LOL yeah ... tactile reinforcement! My son always went where his ear
lobe went.

--
Maggie

On 02/25/2016 11:48 AM, wrote:
....

They can only bill so many procedures, and we are far from having a
surplus of doctors or opperating room space, so things get prioritized
and abuses are very rare - and when they happen they are publicised.
When doctors are charged it is news.
....

It's been a while since quit the traveling road show supporting coal
analyzers but when in Saskatchewan for SaskPower, the locals there
routinely drove to Minot, ND owing to extreme waiting times for
appointments. Don't know if it's improved or not...

We're in rural area with continuing shortage of medical professionals
willing to locate outside the major metro areas where are amenities and
potentially much more lucrative practices but there seems always a ready
supply of Canadian doctors willing to give up the hassles of the system
north of the border. We typically have from 3 to 5 in town at any one
time. Like all the rest, the wives generally are unhappy with the
locale so it's difficult in retaining them for long-term, but there
seems an unending supply or replacements.

--

On 02/25/2016 10:36 AM, Muggles wrote:
LOL yeah ... tactile reinforcement! My son always went where his ear
lobe went.

http://veterinaryteam.dvm360.com/7-c...how-use-twitch

http://www.doctorramey.com/the-twitc...t-to-my-horse/

I never got into a scientific analysis and like Ramey I'm not entirely
convinced by the endorphin theory but it's amazing how tractable a 1200
pound horse becomes when you've got him by the nose.

My uninformed layman's theory was the horse was just smart enough to
figure if he did anything stupid you were going to tear his nose off.

On 2/25/2016 8:47 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/25/2016 10:36 AM, Muggles wrote:
LOL yeah ... tactile reinforcement! My son always went where his ear
lobe went.


http://veterinaryteam.dvm360.com/7-c...how-use-twitch

http://www.doctorramey.com/the-twitc...t-to-my-horse/


I never got into a scientific analysis and like Ramey I'm not entirely
convinced by the endorphin theory but it's amazing how tractable a 1200
pound horse becomes when you've got him by the nose.

My uninformed layman's theory was the horse was just smart enough to
figure if he did anything stupid you were going to tear his nose off.


I never had to deal with that much stubbornness, but boys can be strong
willed, and a mom has to be stronger! lol

--
Maggie

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:22:19 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 2/25/2016 8:47 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/25/2016 10:36 AM, Muggles wrote:
LOL yeah ... tactile reinforcement! My son always went where his ear
lobe went.


http://veterinaryteam.dvm360.com/7-c...how-use-twitch

http://www.doctorramey.com/the-twitc...t-to-my-horse/


I never got into a scientific analysis and like Ramey I'm not entirely
convinced by the endorphin theory but it's amazing how tractable a 1200
pound horse becomes when you've got him by the nose.

My uninformed layman's theory was the horse was just smart enough to
figure if he did anything stupid you were going to tear his nose off.


Works with a bull too. That ting in his nose will keep 2 tons of
"raging bull" in check, as long as you have control of the ring. Let
go of the ring, and all bets are off.

I never had to deal with that much stubbornness, but boys can be strong
willed, and a mom has to be stronger! lol

On 2/25/2016 11:17 AM, dpb wrote:
On 02/25/2016 11:48 AM, wrote:
....

They can only bill so many procedures, and we are far from having a
surplus of doctors or opperating room space, so things get prioritized
and abuses are very rare - and when they happen they are publicised.
When doctors are charged it is news.
....

It's been a while since quit the traveling road show supporting coal analyzers
but when in Saskatchewan for SaskPower, the locals there routinely drove to
Minot, ND owing to extreme waiting times for appointments. Don't know if it's
improved or not...

OTOH, US citizens seem to enjoy slipping NORTH to buy meds. (But, of
course, those aren't as GOOD as the US versions... "Say what??")

We're in rural area with continuing shortage of medical professionals willing
to locate outside the major metro areas where are amenities and potentially
much more lucrative practices but there seems always a ready supply of Canadian
doctors willing to give up the hassles of the system north of the border. We
typically have from 3 to 5 in town at any one time. Like all the rest, the
wives generally are unhappy with the locale so it's difficult in retaining them
for long-term, but there seems an unending supply or replacements.

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:00:52 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 2/25/2016 11:17 AM, dpb wrote:
On 02/25/2016 11:48 AM, wrote:
....

They can only bill so many procedures, and we are far from having a
surplus of doctors or opperating room space, so things get prioritized
and abuses are very rare - and when they happen they are publicised.
When doctors are charged it is news.
....

It's been a while since quit the traveling road show supporting coal analyzers
but when in Saskatchewan for SaskPower, the locals there routinely drove to
Minot, ND owing to extreme waiting times for appointments. Don't know if it's
improved or not...

OTOH, US citizens seem to enjoy slipping NORTH to buy meds. (But, of
course, those aren't as GOOD as the US versions... "Say what??")

We're in rural area with continuing shortage of medical professionals willing
to locate outside the major metro areas where are amenities and potentially
much more lucrative practices but there seems always a ready supply of Canadian
doctors willing to give up the hassles of the system north of the border. We
typically have from 3 to 5 in town at any one time. Like all the rest, the
wives generally are unhappy with the locale so it's difficult in retaining them
for long-term, but there seems an unending supply or replacements.

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?
A lot of doctors have left Canada for the USA over the years - and a
vast majority come back when they realize the grass isn't any greener
and isn't any more palatable on the other side of the fence.

There was a time a few decades ago when Canada produced more nurses
than we had jobs for, and a lot of them headed south. Quite a few
stayed..Some went on to further their education and became doctors. A
lot of others married doctors - - -

wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:00:52 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 2/25/2016 11:17 AM, dpb wrote:
On 02/25/2016 11:48 AM, wrote:
....

They can only bill so many procedures, and we are far from having a
surplus of doctors or opperating room space, so things get prioritized
and abuses are very rare - and when they happen they are publicised.
When doctors are charged it is news.
....

It's been a while since quit the traveling road show supporting coal analyzers
but when in Saskatchewan for SaskPower, the locals there routinely drove to
Minot, ND owing to extreme waiting times for appointments. Don't know if it's
improved or not...

OTOH, US citizens seem to enjoy slipping NORTH to buy meds. (But, of
course, those aren't as GOOD as the US versions... "Say what??")

We're in rural area with continuing shortage of medical professionals willing
to locate outside the major metro areas where are amenities and potentially
much more lucrative practices but there seems always a ready supply of Canadian
doctors willing to give up the hassles of the system north of the border. We
typically have from 3 to 5 in town at any one time. Like all the rest, the
wives generally are unhappy with the locale so it's difficult in retaining them
for long-term, but there seems an unending supply or replacements.

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?
A lot of doctors have left Canada for the USA over the years - and a
vast majority come back when they realize the grass isn't any greener
and isn't any more palatable on the other side of the fence.

There was a time a few decades ago when Canada produced more nurses
than we had jobs for, and a lot of them headed south. Quite a few
stayed..Some went on to further their education and became doctors. A
lot of others married doctors - - -

At least my daughter will never go South for what? To be pushed around
by $$$ sign? She always says "I did not become a doctor to get rich"
Nowadays keeping busy during her off shift at refugee clinic here.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:07:00 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:00:52 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 2/25/2016 11:17 AM, dpb wrote:
On 02/25/2016 11:48 AM, wrote:
....

They can only bill so many procedures, and we are far from having a
surplus of doctors or opperating room space, so things get prioritized
and abuses are very rare - and when they happen they are publicised.
When doctors are charged it is news.
....

It's been a while since quit the traveling road show supporting coal analyzers
but when in Saskatchewan for SaskPower, the locals there routinely drove to
Minot, ND owing to extreme waiting times for appointments. Don't know if it's
improved or not...

OTOH, US citizens seem to enjoy slipping NORTH to buy meds. (But, of
course, those aren't as GOOD as the US versions... "Say what??")

We're in rural area with continuing shortage of medical professionals willing
to locate outside the major metro areas where are amenities and potentially
much more lucrative practices but there seems always a ready supply of Canadian
doctors willing to give up the hassles of the system north of the border. We
typically have from 3 to 5 in town at any one time. Like all the rest, the
wives generally are unhappy with the locale so it's difficult in retaining them
for long-term, but there seems an unending supply or replacements.

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?
A lot of doctors have left Canada for the USA over the years - and a
vast majority come back when they realize the grass isn't any greener
and isn't any more palatable on the other side of the fence.

There was a time a few decades ago when Canada produced more nurses
than we had jobs for, and a lot of them headed south. Quite a few
stayed..Some went on to further their education and became doctors. A
lot of others married doctors - - -

At least my daughter will never go South for what? To be pushed around
by $$$ sign? She always says "I did not become a doctor to get rich"
Nowadays keeping busy during her off shift at refugee clinic here.
Thankfully MANY Canadian doctors have the same outlook. Many who have
gone south for the dollar come back appreciating the fact there is
more to doctoring than money, and here in Canada they don't have to
chase patients for payment and fight with HMOs tooth and nail.

On 02/26/2016 11:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
....

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?

Over the long-haul I have no way of knowing. I know of only one who
went directly back to Canada since we've returned to the family farm (15
yr now) and that was a specific family hardship case. The others leave
for "greener pastures" within the States at least initially; East and
West coasts are primary target areas of course; anywhere but "flyover
country".

W/ the changes in US medical practices, many are becoming more
frustrated but that's not restricted to the Canadian imports; it's
pretty universal throughout.

The reductions in Medicare/Medicaid pay schedules has forced several of
the rural hospitals into closure so we have several multi-county areas
now with no emergency response facilities at all...the local is hanging
on but it's "iffy" even though while still small by city standards at
least are one of the higher-populated counties with a regional retail
hub from the surrounding area as far as into SE CO, far NE NM, and the
OK and TX panhandles.

--

Per :
A lot of doctors have left Canada for the USA over the years - and a
vast majority come back when they realize the grass isn't any greener
and isn't any more palatable on the other side of the fence.

Some years back I saw a documentary on health care in France - where
doctors are on salary and make house calls.

The doctor and wife they featured were not getting rich by any means,
but they lived at a very high standard (nice car, nice house, restaurant
meals when they felt the urge...and so-forth....)..... The bottom line
per that couple was that they thought they had a really good life and
medical school was 100% worthwhile to the guy.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 2/26/2016 10:24 PM, wrote:

They can only bill so many procedures, and we are far from having a
surplus of doctors or opperating room space, so things get prioritized
and abuses are very rare - and when they happen they are publicised.
When doctors are charged it is news.

I assume a doctor can't up and move to a different province and
hang his shingle anew? Here, that's entirely possible! Walk away
from your past performance/problems... (unless you're jailed!)

It does happen occaisionally -but each province has it's own medical
association - and to practice you need to be a member.

If you have been disciplined by one, generally all the others will
find that out. Some get away with it for a little while - - -

If, IN PRACTICE, that's what ACTUALLY happens, you've obviously
got more oversight/involvement than we do, here.

On 2/27/2016 7:11 AM, dpb wrote:
On 02/26/2016 11:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
....

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?

Over the long-haul I have no way of knowing. I know of only one who went
directly back to Canada since we've returned to the family farm (15 yr now) and
that was a specific family hardship case. The others leave for "greener
pastures" within the States at least initially; East and West coasts are
primary target areas of course; anywhere but "flyover country".

So, they've voted with their wallets to stay?

W/ the changes in US medical practices, many are becoming more frustrated but
that's not restricted to the Canadian imports; it's pretty universal throughout.

From discussions with my MD and other medical professionals (connections at
one of the local hospitals), this seems to be the case.

On the one hand, you can say its sour grapes as now pressures are being
brought to bear (that hadn't previously) on how they practice medicine. The
semi-god-like reverence for doctors has faded significantly over the course
of a single career; I'm not sure that's easy to accept.

OTOH, there may now be too much of a move to "bean counting". E.g.,
the new coding system breaks things down into such fine detail
that i wouldn't be surprised if some of the codes are only "applied"
ONCE, in a year, NATIONWIDE:
"eye injury; left; fall; trip; child's roller skate; while texting"

OToOH, my peeks inside medical practices suggest they are long overdue for
rethinking. Do you REALLY need all those bodies to deliver healthcare?
How do places with fewer staff "manage to cope"?

The reductions in Medicare/Medicaid pay schedules has forced several of the
rural hospitals into closure so we have several multi-county areas now with no
emergency response facilities at all...the local is hanging on but it's "iffy"
even though while still small by city standards at least are one of the
higher-populated counties with a regional retail hub from the surrounding area
as far as into SE CO, far NE NM, and the OK and TX panhandles.

I think we have ~10 hospitals. But, only one "trauma center". The
area covered is pretty large -- most hospitals have (and use on a
regular basis) helipads to airlift patients in.

There's also a bit of "book cooking" that happens, esp with INS
involvement. E.g., a truck full of "illegals" that crashes
will have them all treated at a local facility; but, INS won't
assume CUSTODY of them until afterwards (leaving the hospital
trying to get payment from the "patients" -- which will soon
be deported).

Of course, hospitals can play that game, as well: advertising
to more affluent Mexicans that they should come up, have their
baby delivered here (US citizen!) and get in a few days of shopping
before going back across the border...

On 2/26/2016 10:28 PM, wrote:

Do those who "give up" slip back north of the border? Or, move further
south/bigger communities?
A lot of doctors have left Canada for the USA over the years - and a
vast majority come back when they realize the grass isn't any greener
and isn't any more palatable on the other side of the fence.

There was a time a few decades ago when Canada produced more nurses
than we had jobs for, and a lot of them headed south. Quite a few
stayed..Some went on to further their education and became doctors. A
lot of others married doctors - - -

Here, the "demand" would be (artificially) increased to fit
the supply. Then, the supply again increased to ensure
wages stay lower :-/

On 2/26/2016 11:16 PM, wrote:

Thankfully MANY Canadian doctors have the same outlook. Many who have
gone south for the dollar come back appreciating the fact there is
more to doctoring than money, and here in Canada they don't have to
chase patients for payment and fight with HMOs tooth and nail.

My PCP is a "doctor" -- in much the same way that I'm an "engineer".
Neither of us wants to deal with the messy "business side" of our
professions.

I think this is something you can pick up on if you are observant.

E.g., I have friends who recount how their doctor made them
come back for a second appointment (instead of addressing
TWO problems in a single visit). I bring a laundry list of
questions, issues, etc. and my MD is very happy to address
all of them in a single visit.

At the same time, he's aware of how the billing system works and
you wouldn't be surprised to hear him say: "You're better off
going to XYZ to have that addressed because *we* would bill you $$$"

This is unfortunate as it just adds to the delivery cost
(i.e., the fact that he has to KNOW those things; or, that
there are two different prices for the same service provided
in two different ways/providers)