On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 03:32:48 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 23:57:07 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:38:31 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 21:07:11 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:

On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:

On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few
years ago an entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last
year two kids were killed in the car stopped at a light.They
were not belted in. May have made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little
uncommon examples and make it sound as though it could happen
to you. It most likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have
been worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago.
Car was totaled, I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left
hanging from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the
airbags deployed, my right hand was blown off the steering
wheel up through the now shattered moon-roof. That chewed my
hand up quite a bit, but that was not what I would term
serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after
working two 20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel.
I replaced that Ford Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many
people never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out
the percentage, then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a
nuclear fallout shelter either, and I reckon that chances of
needing one are similar to the chances of needing a seatbelt.
But.... a shelter just sits there out of the way until you need
it. I don't want the inconvenience of putting ****ing belt on
all the time.

I've had a few situations in my life where the seatbelt kept me
from smacking into the dashboard or seat in front of me, when the
driver has had to brake suddenly. I wouldn't have been seriously
injured, but why be bruised and cut, and possibly even suffer
dental damage, without the need?

Braking isn't sudden enough to make you hit the dashboard of the
car. Unless you're a double amputee.

Gosh, it isnt? Oh yeah - your magic that would magically instantly
detect trouble magically ahead of time, make you aware, and have your
arms read to prevent such an incident.

Do your brakes come on before you press the pedal then? Why do you
think you take longer to protect yourself from movement than to press
the pedal?

LOL at your child-like view of the world in which nothing ever happens
unexpectedly.

That's not what I said. Read what I wrote again. If you don't have time
to react, you don't have time to brake anymore than you have time to brace
yourself.

Oh, then you'd consider it wise to wear a seatbelt :-)

No, we're discussing hitting your head on the dashboard when braking. You can't, as you'll brace yourself at the same time as you press the brake pedal.

One of my sisters was in a rather serious accident and her
seatbelt kept her securely restrained, and her rear passenger from
flying forwards through the headrest and into her.

An ex-girlfriend was in a crash that wrote off her first
Volkswagen New Beetle. Her seatbelt kept her from ramming her body
up into the dashboard and roof (due to the physics of the
particular crash), and the airbag cushioned her head. Side note:
for a little car, her New Beetle did very well at protecting the
occupant, for which I was most thankful given my attachment to the
driver.

Ask pretty much any rational person who has driven or been driven
for years, and they'll tell you of at least a time when being
belted kept them securely in place during a sudden brake.

But continue with your absurd belief that you can somehow predict
when it's safe not to be belted in :-D You're a joke, mate. Worse
- a dangerous joke.

Better not to crash in the first place, you seem to know a hell of a
lot of **** drivers.

Sorry, I dont know a magic that will affect the world arround me and
prevent anything bad happening. Care to share?

Learn to drive better.

Will that magically give me magical awareness of everything around me
even if I can't see it, what other drivers are thinking, and a magical
ability to extrapolate the correct possibility from complex events? Can
you explain how your magic works. I'd love to know :-)

It's not magic. It's called defensive driving, look it up.

I'm unaware of defensive driving providing perfect magical insight into
the world beyond what one can see and reliably predict. I wish to know
more about this sorcery, please :-)

What you can see is enough.

--
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:03:18 -0000, The Real Bev wrote:

On 01/26/2016 06:11 AM, chris wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:47, The Real Bev wrote:
This **** is why usenet has so few viable groups left. Do you really
want to kill this one too?

That's what killfiles are for. You never need to hear from the
trolls/idiots/flamers again.

Of course. It's also possible to just not look at things. But when the
overwhelming majority of posts are pure trash, reasonable people just
stop reading. I'm tougher than most, I don't give up easily, and I
know how useless taking a group moderated can be. If people would just
stop responding to the ****heads (clearly an impossibility, as history
shows) the problem would disappear; unfortunately, it's more likely
that the group disappears.

Responding doesn't matter, as if you've killfiled someone properly, you won't see the responses. Learn to use your software properly.

--
One workman asks another, "How long have you been working here?"
The other one replies, "Since they threatened to fire me."

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:55:38 -0000, The Real Bev wrote:

On 01/27/2016 11:52 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2016-01-27, The Real Bev wrote:
On 01/26/2016 06:11 AM, chris wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:47, The Real Bev wrote:
This **** is why usenet has so few viable groups left. Do you really
want to kill this one too?

That's what killfiles are for. You never need to hear from the
trolls/idiots/flamers again.

Of course. It's also possible to just not look at things. But when the
overwhelming majority of posts are pure trash, reasonable people just
stop reading. I'm tougher than most, I don't give up easily, and I
know how useless taking a group moderated can be. If people would just
stop responding to the ****heads (clearly an impossibility, as history
shows) the problem would disappear; unfortunately, it's more likely
that the group disappears.

Of the groups into which this is x-posted, I only read
comp.mobile.android. I really hope that this crap doesn't kill that
group.

People have been trying and failing to kill Usenet for a long, long
time. I wouldn't worry about it.

The groups that I reallly liked and was involved with are all dead.
Perhaps people just find facebook easier to deal with. Or more
pleasant. Or something.

Facebook? That's worse.

--
Computers can never replace human stupidity.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:47:04 -0000, Your Name wrote:

In article , The Real Bev
wrote:
On 01/27/2016 09:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
In article , The Real Bev
wrote:

Few used it even when it was highly active. When I rode on the ski
lifts with strangers I asked them if they ever used any of the skiing or
other newsgroups. Granted, a small sample -- maybe 100 people, if that
-- but you'd think that ONE might have been an addict. Nope.

For swift help from strangers, many of whom are actually qualified to
offer it, nothing has even come close. The "forums" are maddeningly
inefficient and the users are frequently... of negative utility.

Hi, you must be new to the internet. ;-)

sigh You guessed it. Only since 1994 sob.

*All* internet forums, including Usenet, Facebook, Wikipedia, IMDB,
etc., etc., are infested with idiots, know-nothings, and trolls
claiming to be experts. The reality is most of them are 12 year olds
(either physically or mentally).

The benefit of proper Usenet software or good forum software is that
you can killfile such imbeciles and ignore them.

The problem with forums is the low density of text and ****-poor indexing.

As against the almost-no indexing in Usenet newsgroups, and the fact
that in most newsgroups the morons can't be banned.

Which is a good thing. Each user can choose which people not to see by killfiling them, instead of some power hungry moronic admins making the decision for everyone.

--
Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a land called Britain where sensible folk lived. These people used to laugh at their
American "cousins" for all the petty litigation they pursued in an attempt to get compensation for preceived injuries and
injustices...

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:39:26 -0000, The Real Bev wrote:

On 01/28/2016 06:59 PM, Orange wrote:


"The Real Bev" wrote in message
...
On 01/28/2016 11:47 AM, Your Name wrote:
wrote:
On 01/27/2016 09:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
wrote:

Few used it even when it was highly active. When I rode on the ski
lifts with strangers I asked them if they ever used any of the skiing
or
other newsgroups. Granted, a small sample -- maybe 100 people, if
that
-- but you'd think that ONE might have been an addict. Nope.

For swift help from strangers, many of whom are actually qualified to
offer it, nothing has even come close. The "forums" are maddeningly
inefficient and the users are frequently... of negative utility..

Hi, you must be new to the internet. ;-)

sigh You guessed it. Only since 1994 sob.

*All* internet forums, including Usenet, Facebook, Wikipedia, IMDB,
etc., etc., are infested with idiots, know-nothings, and trolls
claiming to be experts. The reality is most of them are 12 year olds
(either physically or mentally).

My only facebook friends are people I "knew" from usenet, actual RL
friends and relatives, and friends/relatives of usenet "friends". I have
met some of the usenet people in real life and stayed in their home. How
often does that happen in facebook-only relationships?

Much more in my experience.

With usenet you could get to "know" people from their repeated
interactions with you and others; with facebook you're limited to
pre-approved people for the most part,

No you are not with the facebook groups.

Wait, I did join a facebook group with something like 10K members. It's
really a chore to read it even if I'm interested in the subject matter..
I also belong to a small group of motorcyclists, and for some reason I
can't see only NEW posts even though I use Social Fixer to either mark
all read or mute all. This is annoying. Facebook screws around with
stuff so that Social Fixer has lost much of its utility, but the
aforementioned functions still work on non-groups.

You're too thick to understand Facebook? You make friends with a bunch of folk, you subscribe to a load of groups, and you get a nice selection of all of the above in your newsfeed. Simple.

and total strangers just don't wander in because they're interested in the
subject of the group.

Hordes of them do with the facebook groups.

Or maybe that actually happens,

It does.

but I'd bet against it.

You've just lost that bet.

The interface doesn't encourage serious interchanges, just pronouncements.

That is just plain wrong.

Twitter, of course, is worse. I have a Twitter account, but I just used
it to track down people I knew in a previous life, and I've done that
maybe 3 times.

Plenty use it for much more than that.

The benefit of proper Usenet software or good forum software is that
you can killfile such imbeciles and ignore them.

The problem with forums is the low density of text and ****-poor
indexing.

As against the almost-no indexing in Usenet newsgroups, and the fact
that in most newsgroups the morons can't be banned.

Google used to have an excellent usenet search function, but they gutted
it a few years ago. Better than nothing now, but not by much. You can
still ask a question in some relevant groups and get good answers, but
many are just gone forever.

It was a tremendous resource, and we let it die.

We didnt let it die, it died because hardly anyone even knew it exited.

Hardly anyone knew it existed in its heyday.

If everybody used newsgroups it would be horrendously busy and impossible to read.

--
How does a Welshman find a sheep in tall grass?
Very satisfying.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:17:59 -0000, Les Cargill wrote:

The Real Bev wrote:
On 01/28/2016 11:47 AM, Your Name wrote:
wrote:
On 01/27/2016 09:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
wrote:

Few used it even when it was highly active. When I rode on the ski
lifts with strangers I asked them if they ever used any of the
skiing or
other newsgroups. Granted, a small sample -- maybe 100 people, if
that
-- but you'd think that ONE might have been an addict. Nope.

For swift help from strangers, many of whom are actually qualified to
offer it, nothing has even come close. The "forums" are maddeningly
inefficient and the users are frequently... of negative utility.

Hi, you must be new to the internet. ;-)

sigh You guessed it. Only since 1994 sob.

*All* internet forums, including Usenet, Facebook, Wikipedia, IMDB,
etc., etc., are infested with idiots, know-nothings, and trolls
claiming to be experts. The reality is most of them are 12 year olds
(either physically or mentally).

My only facebook friends are people I "knew" from usenet, actual RL
friends and relatives, and friends/relatives of usenet "friends". I
have met some of the usenet people in real life and stayed in their
home. How often does that happen in facebook-only relationships? With
usenet you could get to "know" people from their repeated interactions
with you and others; with facebook you're limited to pre-approved
people for the most part, and total strangers just don't wander in
because they're interested in the subject of the group.



Facebook was designed as a platform to amplify assortive mating amongst
the Elite at Havahd.

Then it overthrew the Eugenicist origins and tried
to become a popular thing. Now it's just kind of sad.

Or maybe that actually happens, but I'd bet against it. The interface
doesn't encourage serious interchanges, just pronouncements. Twitter,
of course, is worse. I have a Twitter account, but I just used it to
track down people I knew in a previous life, and I've done that maybe 3
times.

The benefit of proper Usenet software or good forum software is that
you can killfile such imbeciles and ignore them.

The problem with forums is the low density of text and ****-poor
indexing.

As against the almost-no indexing in Usenet newsgroups, and the fact
that in most newsgroups the morons can't be banned.

Google used to have an excellent usenet search function, but they gutted
it a few years ago. Better than nothing now, but not by much. You can
still ask a question in some relevant groups and get good answers, but
many are just gone forever.

It was a tremendous resource, and we let it die. We should be ashamed.



Nah. NNTP is just one-to-many email. It was supposed to be ephemeral,
the "messaging" protocol. If anything needed to be persistent,
there was FTP, GOPHER, then HTTP.

Or you could archive individual posts locally. Or run your own
server if you were mad as a hatter and wanted to delve that
deep into the rabbit hole.

I first used Usenet to access support for the first (dialup) ISP
I subscribed to, around the time of the Eternal September.

Before Google, there was DejaNews and it broke at some point. Just
stopped working. I think Google sort of tried to resurrect it, but
it's just gone, man.

I used to post through Dejanews as I could do so from home and work. But there was a 1 week (!) delay in receiving posts, so everything I replied to was out of date. This made people very angry.

--
Keith was explaining to his sister how to jump start a car.
"I explained about which cables to hook up where and in what order.
She said, 'ok, I got all that, so now, which car do you start first?'"

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:45:03 -0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Les Cargill writes:
The Real Bev wrote:


Nah. NNTP is just one-to-many email. It was supposed to be ephemeral,
the "messaging" protocol. If anything needed to be persistent,
there was FTP, GOPHER, then HTTP.

NNTP was designed originally as a mechanism to allow network
readers access to a BNEWS or CNEWS setup. In the olden days,
usenet readers had to log into the unix system with the newsfeed
in order to read usenet (using rn, trn, et alia tools).

http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/cnews.html

NNTP is not, and was never a "one-to-many email". If anything,
it's a store-and-forward setup, but in today's parlance, it's
a publish-subscribe setup.

Er WTF?

--
Please do not look into laser with remaining eye.

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

--
'Never build a dungeon you wouldn't be happy to spend the night in
yourself,' said the Patrician (...). 'The world would be a happier place
if more people remembered that.' --Guards! Guards!

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:03:18 -0000, The Real Bev wrote:

On 01/26/2016 06:11 AM, chris wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:47, The Real Bev wrote:
This **** is why usenet has so few viable groups left. Do you really
want to kill this one too?

That's what killfiles are for. You never need to hear from the
trolls/idiots/flamers again.

Of course. It's also possible to just not look at things. But when the
overwhelming majority of posts are pure trash, reasonable people just
stop reading. I'm tougher than most, I don't give up easily, and I
know how useless taking a group moderated can be. If people would just
stop responding to the ****heads (clearly an impossibility, as history
shows) the problem would disappear; unfortunately, it's more likely
that the group disappears.

Responding doesn't matter, as if you've killfiled someone properly, you
won't see the responses. Learn to use your software properly.

Jesus you must be desperate to keep this thread alive, with all this
replying to messages nearly a month old :-D Troll ego still unfulfilled,
eh?
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:00:08 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:03:18 -0000, The Real Bev wrote:

On 01/26/2016 06:11 AM, chris wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:47, The Real Bev wrote:
This **** is why usenet has so few viable groups left. Do you really
want to kill this one too?

That's what killfiles are for. You never need to hear from the
trolls/idiots/flamers again.

Of course. It's also possible to just not look at things. But when the
overwhelming majority of posts are pure trash, reasonable people just
stop reading. I'm tougher than most, I don't give up easily, and I
know how useless taking a group moderated can be. If people would just
stop responding to the ****heads (clearly an impossibility, as history
shows) the problem would disappear; unfortunately, it's more likely
that the group disappears.

Responding doesn't matter, as if you've killfiled someone properly, you
won't see the responses. Learn to use your software properly.

Jesus you must be desperate to keep this thread alive, with all this
replying to messages nearly a month old :-D Troll ego still unfulfilled,
eh?

No, I've got enough life that I don't spend every waking hour on newsgroups, so I don't answer immediately.

Congratulations for shooting yourself in the foot.

--
A boomerang that doesn't come back is a stick.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

--
Men, here's a tip for dealing with the little lady.
If you upset your wife or girlfriend then she will nag you.
However, if you upset her EVEN MORE, you will get the silent treatment.

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you.. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

I have never asked for roads to be closed for an accident. Move the smashed cars to the side and let people past. Take photos if you want evidence of fault.

--
Whats black, white, and red all over and doesnt fit through a revolving door?
A nun with a spear through her head.

On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:27:53 -0000, Blue Lou wrote:

To the original poster of this inane thread.

If you believe that you can safely text and drive, you're a jerk, a
compleat asshole.

Or just a better driver than you. I can safely change gear and drive, I can safely indicate or operate the windscreen wipers and drive. Texting is no different.

P.S. it's "complete" and "arsehole", you uneducated ****t.

--
Kakistocracy - Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kakistocracy

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 01:21:31 -0000, tlvp wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 19:29:58 -0000, Mr Macaw wrote:

Cars have more crumple zones now, so that point is in reverse.

Great -- even my '97 Geo has more crumple zones now than it had when I
bought it? I overjoyed to learn that -- thank you :-) ! Saves my life!

Depends how well you drive it.

--
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one -- George Bernard Shaw

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:00:08 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:03:18 -0000, The Real Bev
wrote:

On 01/26/2016 06:11 AM, chris wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:47, The Real Bev wrote:
This **** is why usenet has so few viable groups left. Do you really
want to kill this one too?

That's what killfiles are for. You never need to hear from the
trolls/idiots/flamers again.

Of course. It's also possible to just not look at things. But when the
overwhelming majority of posts are pure trash, reasonable people just
stop reading. I'm tougher than most, I don't give up easily, and I
know how useless taking a group moderated can be. If people would just
stop responding to the ****heads (clearly an impossibility, as history
shows) the problem would disappear; unfortunately, it's more likely
that the group disappears.

Responding doesn't matter, as if you've killfiled someone properly, you
won't see the responses. Learn to use your software properly.

Jesus you must be desperate to keep this thread alive, with all this
replying to messages nearly a month old :-D Troll ego still unfulfilled,
eh?

No, I've got enough life that I don't spend every waking hour on
newsgroups, so I don't answer immediately.

Congratulations for shooting yourself in the foot.

Most people with a life don't go looking back nearly a month for
opportunities to prolong their stupidity :-D
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

I have never asked for roads to be closed for an accident. Move the smashed cars to the side and let people past. Take photos if you want evidence of fault.

What you have asked for is irrelevant. _We_ have asked the police to
investigate a serious accident. For that purpose they need to examine
and photograph the vehicles as they were immediately after the
accident. You may not have asked for that either but you live in our
society and you are using our roads. We are entitled to insist you
drive by our rules.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 01:55:07 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 04:00:08 -0000, Jamie Kahn Genet
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:03:18 -0000, The Real Bev
wrote:

On 01/26/2016 06:11 AM, chris wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:47, The Real Bev wrote:
This **** is why usenet has so few viable groups left. Do you really
want to kill this one too?

That's what killfiles are for. You never need to hear from the
trolls/idiots/flamers again.

Of course. It's also possible to just not look at things. But when the
overwhelming majority of posts are pure trash, reasonable people just
stop reading. I'm tougher than most, I don't give up easily, and I
know how useless taking a group moderated can be. If people would just
stop responding to the ****heads (clearly an impossibility, as history
shows) the problem would disappear; unfortunately, it's more likely
that the group disappears.

Responding doesn't matter, as if you've killfiled someone properly, you
won't see the responses. Learn to use your software properly.

Jesus you must be desperate to keep this thread alive, with all this
replying to messages nearly a month old :-D Troll ego still unfulfilled,
eh?

No, I've got enough life that I don't spend every waking hour on
newsgroups, so I don't answer immediately.

Congratulations for shooting yourself in the foot.

Most people with a life don't go looking back nearly a month for
opportunities to prolong their stupidity :-D

I'm not going looking for them, I'm replying to them. They're sat in front of me in a folder. Doesn't your newsreader file replies to you separately?

--
Circular Definition: see Definition, Circular.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

I have never asked for roads to be closed for an accident. Move the smashed cars to the side and let people past. Take photos if you want evidence of fault.

What you have asked for is irrelevant. _We_ have asked the police to
investigate a serious accident. For that purpose they need to examine
and photograph the vehicles as they were immediately after the
accident. You may not have asked for that either but you live in our
society and you are using our roads. We are entitled to insist you
drive by our rules.

It's my road and my society to. What you want is no more important than what I want, and I think you'll find 90% of people are ****ed off by stupid useless coppers who can't clean up an accident in under several hours. It doesn't take several hours to take some photos. Once you have the photos, you have all the evidence of positions. Then you can move the vehicles. Forensic analysis can take place with the vehicle in a different position. And what's all this **** about working out whose fault it was? Who gives a ****?

--
Chaos will reign over order - it's easier to implement.

On 2/27/2016 7:39 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi
wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi
wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis
wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis
wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis
wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski
said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A
few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two
kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not
belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little
uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to
you. It most
likely won't.
||
|| [christmas presents]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:02:19 -0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 2/27/2016 7:39 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi
wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi
wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis
wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis
wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis
wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski
said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A
few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two
kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not
belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little
uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to
you. It most
likely won't.
||
|| [christmas presents]

Huh?

--
If you own a £3,000 machine gun and a £5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes, you may be a Muslim.

On 2/27/2016 8:10 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:02:19 -0000, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 2/27/2016 7:39 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi
wrote:
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to
you. It most
likely won't.
||
|| [christmas presents]

Huh?

Wish you would trim (delete) some excess text,
you wasteful and negiligent nitwit. All that
trailing text you leave behind, the rest of
us download, scroll through, and find irritating.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

I have never asked for roads to be closed for an accident. Move the smashed cars to the side and let people past. Take photos if you want evidence of fault.

What you have asked for is irrelevant. _We_ have asked the police to
investigate a serious accident. For that purpose they need to examine
and photograph the vehicles as they were immediately after the
accident. You may not have asked for that either but you live in our
society and you are using our roads. We are entitled to insist you
drive by our rules.

It's my road and my society to. What you want is no more important than what I want,

You don't get it do you? It's not yours or mine, it is ours. Our
society has decided that you must wear a seat belt and it has decided
the procedures following an accident.

May I suggest that you either wear the seat belt or you publicise your
decision not to wear one. If you decide not to wear the seat belt then
go to jail rather than pay the fine. You will quickly discover the
degree of support for your decision.
and I think you'll find 90% of people are ****ed off by stupid useless coppers who can't clean up an accident in under several hours. It doesn't take several hours to take some photos. Once you have the photos, you have all the evidence of positions. Then you can move the vehicles. Forensic analysis can take place with the vehicle in a different position. And what's all this **** about working out whose fault it was? Who gives a ****?

Even if you are right you have agreed with my initial point. We will
all have to pay if you exacerbate an accident because you refuse to
wear a seat belt.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:15:44 -0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 2/27/2016 8:10 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:02:19 -0000, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 2/27/2016 7:39 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi
wrote:
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to
you. It most
likely won't.
||
|| [christmas presents]

Huh?

Wish you would trim (delete) some excess text,
you wasteful and negiligent nitwit. All that
trailing text you leave behind, the rest of
us download, scroll through, and find irritating.

Anyone replying is free to remove the text. So you cannot blame any one person. Tough ****.

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 10:11:14 -0000, F Murtz wrote:

burfordTjustice wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:20:36 -0800
Savageduck wrote:

On 2016-01-22 17:46:26 +0000, burfordTjustice
said:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:45:59 -0800
Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 22, 2016, Muggles wrote
(in
):
On 1/21/2016 10:42 PM, nospam wrote:
In article
,
Muggles wrote:

Funny thing happened today as I was at a light waiting for
light to change. I was in the left turn lane facing north,
and the highway traffic coming off the highway heading
across my path showed a police car going past me and the
cop driving was talking on his cell phone.

I just shook my head as I watched him drive past me.

Police are allowed to break most traffic laws *IF* it's
appropriate for doing their job (the obvious example being
speeding and running red traffic lights when on an emergency
call out). Unfortunately there are many cases of police being
just as moronically stupid as the rest of the human race and
using their cellphone for non-official business while
driving, illegally parking so they can grab a coffee, etc.

At least he wasn't texting and driving.

even better, cops have a laptop sitting right next to them, where
they type and drive all the time, checking license plates or
pulling up information relevant to a call.

I hadn't thought of that! I wonder if that should be illegal while
driving, too.

There is always this other distraction option to try out.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/0...e-man-for-dwr-
driving-while-reading/


Broken link! WTF??

Consider your broken Usenet client.
...but just for you;
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/01/21/eagan-police-fine-man-for-dwr-driving-while-reading/



See, now why could you not do that correctly first time?
lazy?

Why are you carrying on about a link that everybody but you can read?
who is the lazy one, figure out why lazy one.

Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

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On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:51:49 -0000, Your Name wrote:

In article
,
Muggles wrote:
On 2/9/2016 4:05 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Muggles wrote:

Funny thing happened today as I was at a light waiting for light to
change. I was in the left turn lane facing north, and the highway
traffic coming off the highway heading across my path showed a police
car going past me and the cop driving was talking on his cell phone.

I just shook my head as I watched him drive past me.

They have superior capabilities and are allowed to do many things mere
mortals are not.

ahh! That must be true!

Actually, to some degree, it is true. Police (as well as fire service
and ambulance drivers) do have to undertake much more specialised
driver training than normal drivers do in most countries.

Isn't always a good thing. The UK police driver training apparently (according to a friend) tells them that you should drive the same speed in the wet as in the dry!

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On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message
Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

In message 2016022111420948910-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom
Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
https://db.tt/dZhU973f
https://db.tt/OLKLNJdH
https://db.tt/J5p5VwtT

...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

I have never asked for roads to be closed for an accident. Move the smashed cars to the side and let people past. Take photos if you want evidence of fault.

What you have asked for is irrelevant. _We_ have asked the police to
investigate a serious accident. For that purpose they need to examine
and photograph the vehicles as they were immediately after the
accident. You may not have asked for that either but you live in our
society and you are using our roads. We are entitled to insist you
drive by our rules.

It's my road and my society to. What you want is no more important than what I want,

You don't get it do you? It's not yours or mine, it is ours. Our
society has decided that you must wear a seat belt and it has decided
the procedures following an accident.

Our society can define what's best for everyone else, but it cannot define what you do to YOUR OWN BODY. Hence cannabis being illegal is moronic.

May I suggest that you either wear the seat belt or you publicise your
decision not to wear one. If you decide not to wear the seat belt then
go to jail rather than pay the fine. You will quickly discover the
degree of support for your decision.

It's my body, my injuries, nobody else's, **** all to do with you if I hurt myself, which is very unlikely as most people never have a serious crash.

and I think you'll find 90% of people are ****ed off by stupid useless coppers who can't clean up an accident in under several hours. It doesn't take several hours to take some photos. Once you have the photos, you have all the evidence of positions. Then you can move the vehicles. Forensic analysis can take place with the vehicle in a different position. And what's all this **** about working out whose fault it was? Who gives a ****?

Even if you are right you have agreed with my initial point. We will
all have to pay if you exacerbate an accident because you refuse to
wear a seat belt.

The only thing I exacerbate is my own injuries, which doesn't affect you one iota.

--
5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out of control Scalextric cars.

Mr Macaw wrote:
[...]
Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back
together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE
WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny
little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

Here's an idea! If you would have *read* the sub-thread, you would
have read that the "moron"'s newsreader is behaving perfectly
well/compliant and that "everyone" is only those people with a *broken*
newsreader.

The URL was properly delimited (with '' and ''), so any folding is
irrelevant. Period.

But considering that the lines your newsreader emits are non-compliant
(too long), I can understand that it sucks to be one in the set
"everyone".

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:38:14 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
[...]
Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back
together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE
WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny
little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

Here's an idea! If you would have *read* the sub-thread, you would
have read that the "moron"'s newsreader is behaving perfectly
well/compliant and that "everyone" is only those people with a *broken*
newsreader.

The URL was properly delimited (with '' and ''), so any folding is
irrelevant. Period.

If it folds onto two lines, it's split in half and has to be joined back up manually before you can visit the page. It's simple enough to have en exception to the 70 char function in your newsreader so a URL falls off the end. You don't have to see it all after all.

But considering that the lines your newsreader emits are non-compliant
(too long), I can understand that it sucks to be one in the set
"everyone".

They're only too long for people with narrow screens that have newsreaders so crappy that they can't wrap to your own bloody window, which the simplest of text editors (Windows Notepad) manages. My lines have no ends, therefore each person can read them at the length of their choosing. People who insert carriage returns are dictating that they must be read at that width. That's inconsiderate.

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- General MacArthur

A little earlier, I wrote:
Mr Macaw wrote:
[...]
Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back
together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE
WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny
little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

Here's an idea! If you would have *read* the sub-thread, you would
have read that the "moron"'s newsreader is behaving perfectly
well/compliant and that "everyone" is only those people with a *broken*
newsreader.

The URL was properly delimited (with '' and ''), so any folding is
irrelevant. Period.

But considering that the lines your newsreader emits are non-compliant
(too long), I can understand that it sucks to be one in the set
"everyone".

barf! I hadn't spotted this part, too funny:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

What was that again about "some moron is using a newsreader"!?

But I take it all back, the "moron" isn't using a newsreader:

User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32)

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NK.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:50:50 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

A little earlier, I wrote:
Mr Macaw wrote:
[...]
Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back
together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE
WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny
little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

Here's an idea! If you would have *read* the sub-thread, you would
have read that the "moron"'s newsreader is behaving perfectly
well/compliant and that "everyone" is only those people with a *broken*
newsreader.

The URL was properly delimited (with '' and ''), so any folding is
irrelevant. Period.

But considering that the lines your newsreader emits are non-compliant
(too long), I can understand that it sucks to be one in the set
"everyone".

barf! I hadn't spotted this part, too funny:

If you don't stop moaning about standards I'm going to post in html.

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

The whole point of format flowed is it flows. How can it flow if I stick carriage returns into it? YOU can wrap my text to YOUR screen at whatever point you wish, I'm not stopping you. But your posts have hard CRs in them causing me to see a narrow column half the width I want. Stop dictating how I see your text.

What was that again about "some moron is using a newsreader"!?

But I take it all back, the "moron" isn't using a newsreader:

User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32)

Email and news messages can be thought of as the same thing. The only difference is where they're stored and how many people see them. Why wouldn't you use the same program for both?

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NK.

Using excessive acronyms means you're either a geek, an idiot, or you're in human resources.

--
Is it true that DNA stands for the National Dyslexia Association?

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:38:14 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
[...]
Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back
together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE
WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny
little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

Here's an idea! If you would have *read* the sub-thread, you would
have read that the "moron"'s newsreader is behaving perfectly
well/compliant and that "everyone" is only those people with a *broken*
newsreader.

The URL was properly delimited (with '' and ''), so any folding is
irrelevant. Period.

If it folds onto two lines, it's split in half and has to be joined
back up manually before you can visit the page.

Exactly which part(s) of "properly delimited" or/and "irrelevant"
didn't you understand?

The URL was/is fine. *Your* *newsreader* is broken. Live with it or
get a real one.

It's simple enough to
have en exception to the 70 char function in your newsreader so a URL
falls off the end. You don't have to see it all after all.

It's simple enough to get a proper newsreader.

But considering that the lines your newsreader emits are non-compliant
(too long), I can understand that it sucks to be one in the set
"everyone".

They're only too long for people with narrow screens that have
newsreaders so crappy that they can't wrap to your own bloody window,
which the simplest of text editors (Windows Notepad) manages. My
lines have no ends, therefore each person can read them at the length
of their choosing. People who insert carriage returns are dictating
that they must be read at that width. That's inconsiderate.

Another subject matter which you're ignorant about. This line-length
(non-)'problem' has a (RFC) standard solution called 'format=flowed'.
Your 'newsreader' claims to use it (also see my other response), but
fscks that one up as well.

Bottom line: Get a newsreader and stop whinging about other people's
newsreaders which are working perfectly fine and in an RFC-complaint
way.

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NK.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:06:34 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:38:14 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
[...]
Why should everyone reading it have to copy and paste things back
together because some moron is using a newsreader that splits a SINGLE
WORD. Even if you want 70 char lines because you still use a tiny
little green screen linux system, FFS do NOT wrap a single word.

Here's an idea! If you would have *read* the sub-thread, you would
have read that the "moron"'s newsreader is behaving perfectly
well/compliant and that "everyone" is only those people with a *broken*
newsreader.

The URL was properly delimited (with '' and ''), so any folding is
irrelevant. Period.

If it folds onto two lines, it's split in half and has to be joined
back up manually before you can visit the page.

Exactly which part(s) of "properly delimited" or/and "irrelevant"
didn't you understand?

So you're adding extra characters as a workaround to your pointless fear of long lines.

The URL was/is fine. *Your* *newsreader* is broken. Live with it or
get a real one.

It's on two lines instead of one. It's snapped in half, end of story.

It's simple enough to
have en exception to the 70 char function in your newsreader so a URL
falls off the end. You don't have to see it all after all.

It's simple enough to get a proper newsreader.

Which I have. I never split a URL.

But considering that the lines your newsreader emits are non-compliant
(too long), I can understand that it sucks to be one in the set
"everyone".

They're only too long for people with narrow screens that have
newsreaders so crappy that they can't wrap to your own bloody window,
which the simplest of text editors (Windows Notepad) manages. My
lines have no ends, therefore each person can read them at the length
of their choosing. People who insert carriage returns are dictating
that they must be read at that width. That's inconsiderate.

Another subject matter which you're ignorant about. This line-length
(non-)'problem' has a (RFC) standard solution called 'format=flowed'.
Your 'newsreader' claims to use it (also see my other response), but
fscks that one up as well.

It does it sensibly instead of following badly written standards that pathetic linux using geeks like you use.

Bottom line: Get a newsreader and stop whinging about other people's
newsreaders which are working perfectly fine and in an RFC-complaint
way.

The RFCs are for morons who can't think for themselves. I bet you follow the speed limits in your car too?

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NK.

I've warned you how stupid those acronyms make you look.

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If god is so amazing, why did the dinosaurs die out?

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:50:50 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
If you don't stop moaning about standards I'm going to post in html.

If you do it *properly*, it's no problem. But given your track record,
the chance of that is nil.

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

The whole point of format flowed is it flows. How can it flow if I
stick carriage returns into it?

Did anyone say anything about sticking carriage returns into the lines
you're typing?

Apparently you don't understand what 'format=flowed' is (not) and how
it works / doesn't work. That's perfectly fine. The user doesn't have to
understand this under-the-hood stuff. (S)He should just use a compliant
newsreader. Yours isn't, or it is misconfigured.

YOU can wrap my text to YOUR screen
at whatever point you wish, I'm not stopping you. But your posts have
hard CRs in them causing me to see a narrow column half the width I
want. Stop dictating how I see your text.

Stop using a broken newsreader. The beauty of 'format=flowed' is that
both the poster and the reader 1) can use it or not use it and 2) can
use the screen width they want, without either side "dictating"
anything. But, as shown, the article composing side of your newsreader
is broken, so it's no wonder that the reading display side is also
broken.

What was that again about "some moron is using a newsreader"!?

But I take it all back, the "moron" isn't using a newsreader:

User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32)

Email and news messages can be thought of as the same thing. The only
difference is where they're stored and how many people see them. Why
wouldn't you use the same program for both?

My tongue-in-cheek comment was about the 'Opera' part, not about the
'Mail' part.

But you're right, your Opera Mail thingy probably fscks up mail as
well as it does NetNews.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:38:02 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:50:50 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
If you don't stop moaning about standards I'm going to post in html.

If you do it *properly*, it's no problem. But given your track record,
the chance of that is nil.

Html is not allowed in newsgroups, I thought you knew that?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

The whole point of format flowed is it flows. How can it flow if I
stick carriage returns into it?

Did anyone say anything about sticking carriage returns into the lines
you're typing?

You're moaning I'm not splitting my lines, now you're saying I don't have to. Make up your mind. There are only two options. CRs or no CRs, which do you want?

Apparently you don't understand what 'format=flowed' is (not) and how
it works / doesn't work. That's perfectly fine. The user doesn't have to
understand this under-the-hood stuff. (S)He should just use a compliant
newsreader. Yours isn't, or it is misconfigured.

It's configured the way I've decided is sensible - no wrapping. One person reading my post might have a huge screen. Another person might have a tiny screen. Whatever width I set will displease one of them. So not wrapping at all means they can choose the width themselves.

YOU can wrap my text to YOUR screen
at whatever point you wish, I'm not stopping you. But your posts have
hard CRs in them causing me to see a narrow column half the width I
want. Stop dictating how I see your text.

Stop using a broken newsreader. The beauty of 'format=flowed' is that
both the poster and the reader 1) can use it or not use it and 2) can
use the screen width they want, without either side "dictating"
anything. But, as shown, the article composing side of your newsreader
is broken, so it's no wonder that the reading display side is also
broken.

You don't need any fancy **** to have the reader see it any width. My lines simply have no end to them. When one hits the edge of your screen, your newsreader should wrap it. In fact most newsreaders are perfectly capable of wrapping my text. You must have one of the few that doesn't.

Try this, copy and paste my text into Windows Notepad, and watch it magically wrap it to any size of window you like. Magic isn't it?

What was that again about "some moron is using a newsreader"!?

But I take it all back, the "moron" isn't using a newsreader:

User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32)

Email and news messages can be thought of as the same thing. The only
difference is where they're stored and how many people see them. Why
wouldn't you use the same program for both?

My tongue-in-cheek comment was about the 'Opera' part, not about the
'Mail' part.

Opera has always been the best browser aswell as mail and news client. Before that I used Netscape for all three.

But you're right, your Opera Mail thingy probably fscks up mail as
well as it does NetNews.

It works better than any other mail or news client I've used, which is why I use it. It has much more versatile and easier to use filtering than anything else, that's the main reason I use it.

--
Artificial intelligence is always better than real stupidity.

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:06:34 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[Pathetic stamping of tiny feet deleted.]

[...]
Another subject matter which you're ignorant about. This line-length
(non-)'problem' has a (RFC) standard solution called 'format=flowed'.
Your 'newsreader' claims to use it (also see my other response), but
fscks that one up as well.

It does it sensibly instead of following badly written standards that
pathetic linux using geeks like you use.

In the real world, there's nothing "sensible" about broken, but
considering your stances on other matters, in your parallel universe,
it's probably quite "sensible".

BTW (Oops!), the "linux using geeks like you" bit is quite humourous!
Which part of your posterior did you pull that one from!?

Bottom line: Get a newsreader and stop whinging about other people's
newsreaders which are working perfectly fine and in an RFC-complaint
way.

The RFCs are for morons who can't think for themselves. I bet you
follow the speed limits in your car too?

Well, you're are apparently included in this "morons who can't think
for themselves" set, because your newsreader *does* follow parts of the
RFCs, otherwise you wouldn't be reading my responses and I wouldn't be
reading yours! Sucks, doesn't it?

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:54:37 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:06:34 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[Pathetic stamping of tiny feet deleted.]

[...]
Another subject matter which you're ignorant about. This line-length
(non-)'problem' has a (RFC) standard solution called 'format=flowed'.
Your 'newsreader' claims to use it (also see my other response), but
fscks that one up as well.

It does it sensibly instead of following badly written standards that
pathetic linux using geeks like you use.

In the real world, there's nothing "sensible" about broken,

Broken is your opinion. It works differently. A more logical way.

but
considering your stances on other matters, in your parallel universe,
it's probably quite "sensible".

What matters exactly?

BTW (Oops!),

The odd one is fine. But you used four in one go earlier, which is just stupid. Or do you type really slow and have to use them?

the "linux using geeks like you" bit is quite humourous!
Which part of your posterior did you pull that one from!?

So I take you are a linux user but for some reason don't consider yourself a geek.

Bottom line: Get a newsreader and stop whinging about other people's
newsreaders which are working perfectly fine and in an RFC-complaint
way.

The RFCs are for morons who can't think for themselves. I bet you
follow the speed limits in your car too?

Well, you're are apparently included in this "morons who can't think
for themselves" set, because your newsreader *does* follow parts of the
RFCs, otherwise you wouldn't be reading my responses and I wouldn't be
reading yours! Sucks, doesn't it?

It does what is sensible, there will obviously be some overlap. For example the law says I should use my indicators and stick to the speed limit. I do one of those but not the other. That doesn't make me a law abiding citizen, it makes me a sensible one.

--
Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques.

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:38:02 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:50:50 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
If you don't stop moaning about standards I'm going to post in html.

If you do it *properly*, it's no problem. But given your track record,
the chance of that is nil.

Html is not allowed in newsgroups, I thought you knew that?

Exactly *which* part of "*properly*" didn't you understand!?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

The whole point of format flowed is it flows. How can it flow if I
stick carriage returns into it?

Did anyone say anything about sticking carriage returns into the lines
you're typing?

You're moaning I'm not splitting my lines, now you're saying I don't
have to. Make up your mind. There are only two options. CRs or no
CRs, which do you want?

I didn't say you're not splitting your lines, I said they were too
long. You (seem to) think that's the same thing, but it's not.

And no, there are not two options, but three. The third is
'format=flowed', which your newsreader fscks up (in both directions).

Apparently you don't understand what 'format=flowed' is (not) and how
it works / doesn't work. That's perfectly fine. The user doesn't have to
understand this under-the-hood stuff. (S)He should just use a compliant
newsreader. Yours isn't, or it is misconfigured.

It's configured the way I've decided is sensible - no wrapping. One
person reading my post might have a huge screen. Another person might
have a tiny screen. Whatever width I set will displease one of them.
So not wrapping at all means they can choose the width themselves.

Yes, what *you* *see* on *your* side is the way you want. But what
goes over the wire is fsck-ed up, because it *says* it's in
'format=flowed', but it isn't.

Just give this up! You don't understand this under-the-hood stuff. As
I *said*, that's perfectly fine, but don't try to lecture people who
*do* know this stuff and see that you article - as it goes over the wire
- is fscked up.

Perhaps there are other people in these groups who use 'Opera Mail'
and can help you. (I could direct you to *the* appropriate group, but
with your attitude, you wouldn't survive there.)

[More stamping of tiny feet deleted.]

Opera has always been the best browser aswell as mail and news client.
Before that I used Netscape for all three.

But you're right, your Opera Mail thingy probably fscks up mail as
well as it does NetNews.

It works better than any other mail or news client I've used, which is
why I use it. It has much more versatile and easier to use filtering
than anything else, that's the main reason I use it.

If Opera (Mail) works for you, then good on you, as long as you
realize that absolutes ("the best", "than anything else") don't exist,
as the discussed Opera Mail faults prove.

And no, 'my' newsreader isn't "the best" either. "the best" doesn't
exist. Period.

(AFAIC,) EOD.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 21:17:40 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:38:02 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:50:50 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
If you don't stop moaning about standards I'm going to post in html.

If you do it *properly*, it's no problem. But given your track record,
the chance of that is nil.

Html is not allowed in newsgroups, I thought you knew that?

Exactly *which* part of "*properly*" didn't you understand!?

How can something that's not allowed be done properly? It's ok officer, I was speeding properly.

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

The whole point of format flowed is it flows. How can it flow if I
stick carriage returns into it?

Did anyone say anything about sticking carriage returns into the lines
you're typing?

You're moaning I'm not splitting my lines, now you're saying I don't
have to. Make up your mind. There are only two options. CRs or no
CRs, which do you want?

I didn't say you're not splitting your lines, I said they were too
long. You (seem to) think that's the same thing, but it's not.

To make something shorter you split it. Basic maths.

And no, there are not two options, but three. The third is
'format=flowed', which your newsreader fscks up (in both directions).

Apparently you don't understand what 'format=flowed' is (not) and how
it works / doesn't work. That's perfectly fine. The user doesn't have to
understand this under-the-hood stuff. (S)He should just use a compliant
newsreader. Yours isn't, or it is misconfigured.

It's configured the way I've decided is sensible - no wrapping. One
person reading my post might have a huge screen. Another person might
have a tiny screen. Whatever width I set will displease one of them.
So not wrapping at all means they can choose the width themselves.

Yes, what *you* *see* on *your* side is the way you want. But what
goes over the wire is fsck-ed up, because it *says* it's in
'format=flowed', but it isn't.

What they see on their side is ENTIRELY up to them. I have given no line breaks, so they can wrap wherever they want. I'm not stopping them.

Just give this up! You don't understand this under-the-hood stuff. As
I *said*, that's perfectly fine, but don't try to lecture people who
*do* know this stuff and see that you article - as it goes over the wire
- is fscked up.

Perhaps there are other people in these groups who use 'Opera Mail'
and can help you. (I could direct you to *the* appropriate group, but
with your attitude, you wouldn't survive there.)

It's ok, I don't want to converse with more sad anal people like you.

[More stamping of tiny feet deleted.]

Opera has always been the best browser aswell as mail and news client.
Before that I used Netscape for all three.

But you're right, your Opera Mail thingy probably fscks up mail as
well as it does NetNews.

It works better than any other mail or news client I've used, which is
why I use it. It has much more versatile and easier to use filtering
than anything else, that's the main reason I use it.

If Opera (Mail) works for you, then good on you, as long as you
realize that absolutes ("the best", "than anything else") don't exist,
as the discussed Opera Mail faults prove.

They're only faults in your OCD rule following opinion.

And no, 'my' newsreader isn't "the best" either. "the best" doesn't
exist. Period.

Of course it does. You can easily add up the good things about each one and say which is best overall. Just like they do with reviews on cars and washing machines.

(AFAIC,) EOD.

Oh do grow up.

--
Peter is listening to "Aerosmith - Living on the edge"

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 21:17:40 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 20:38:02 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 19:50:50 -0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
If you don't stop moaning about standards I'm going to post in html.

If you do it *properly*, it's no problem. But given your track record,
the chance of that is nil.

Html is not allowed in newsgroups, I thought you knew that?

Exactly *which* part of "*properly*" didn't you understand!?

How can something that's not allowed be done properly? It's ok
officer, I was speeding properly.

Amazing, isn't it!? How can it be that there's something which you
don't know, which you don't understand and which you can't explain!?

It makes you feel so small, doesn't it!?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Quite impressive, declaring 'format=flowed', but then failing to
actually do so!

The whole point of format flowed is it flows. How can it flow if I
stick carriage returns into it?

Did anyone say anything about sticking carriage returns into the lines
you're typing?

You're moaning I'm not splitting my lines, now you're saying I don't
have to. Make up your mind. There are only two options. CRs or no
CRs, which do you want?

I didn't say you're not splitting your lines, I said they were too
long. You (seem to) think that's the same thing, but it's not.

To make something shorter you split it. Basic maths.

Read for comprehension: I'm saying *you* don't have to split your
lines. I'm *not* saying that the lines which go over the wire do not
have to be split, because they *do*. But, for 'format=flowed', they are
*not* split by a 'hard' CR, but by a (encoded) soft line wrap. That soft
line wrap can be *undone* on the receiving side to give the reader the
display line length - *any* line length - (s)he wishes. Amazing, isn't
it? And that for those stupid RFCs which are only for people who can't
think for themselves!

[More of the same misconceptions deleted.]

Perhaps there are other people in these groups who use 'Opera Mail'
and can help you. (I could direct you to *the* appropriate group, but
with your attitude, you wouldn't survive there.)

It's ok, I don't want to converse with more sad anal people like you.

Oh deary, *your* ignorance (again: ignorance is perfectly fine) is
'progressing' to cluelessness and stupidity and that somehow makes the
one which points that out "sad" and "anal"?

But, coming from you, it's a compliment I accept gladly.

And I assume you won't be asking for help in *these* groups, because
you're perfect, all-knowing, etc., right!?

[...]

And no, 'my' newsreader isn't "the best" either. "the best" doesn't
exist. Period.

Of course it does. You can easily add up the good things about each
one and say which is best overall. Just like they do with reviews on
cars and washing machines.

You don't get it! "the best" exists only for a particular individual
and hir needs/wants, etc.. Their is no "the best", which is the best for
everybody. That's why I said "absolutes .. don't exist".