On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:57:26 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:19:43 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:08:50 -0000, Gordon Levi wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:20:00 -0000, Lewis wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:52:31 -0000, Lewis wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:19:08 -0000, Lewis wrote:

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Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-02-21 19:20:57 +0000, "Mr Macaw" said:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:40:45 -0000, wrote:
On 2016-02-21 17:51:48 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:
On 2/21/2016 12:14 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:46 -0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2016 12:53 AM, nospam wrote:

the key is to *avoid* the collision in the first place.

Yes, but often when stopped there is no place to go. A few years ago an
entire family was killed at a toll booth. Last year two kids were
killed in the car stopped at a light.They were not belted in. May have
made a difference.

Are you a reporter? The media loves to take a few little uncommon
examples and make it sound as though it could happen to you. It most
likely won't.

I was broadsided by a big truck. Minor injury that could have been
worse had I not been belted. That was many years ago. Car was totaled,
I had a cut on my head. Yep, can happen.

Seatbelt + airbag saved me from serious injury here. I was left hanging
from the seatbelt in the upside-down car. When the airbags deployed, my
right hand was blown off the steering wheel up through the now
shattered moon-roof. That chewed my hand up quite a bit, but that was
not what I would term serious.
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...and it was my fault, I shouldn't have been driving after working two
20 hour days in a row, I fell asleep at the wheel. I replaced that Ford
Contour with a used Mercedes 560SEL.

Oh look, two examples of it happening. Now find out how many people
never even have a minor scrape in their cars. Work out the percentage,
then stop worrying about it. I haven't built a nuclear fallout shelter
either, and I reckon that chances of needing one are similar to the
chances of needing a seatbelt. But.... a shelter just sits there out
of the way until you need it. I don't want the inconvenience of
putting ****ing belt on all the time.

In that case don't inconvenience yourself, just don't use the "****ing
belt". You might need to disable the seat-belt alarm if you don't want
that driving you crazy with its insistent nagging buzz.

No, not acceptable. When he gets seriously injured and takes up hundreds
or thousands of hours of care because of his stupidity and takes resources
that should go to other people then it's not just his decision. If he
installs poisoned fletchettes in his air bag so that his is definitely
killed in any accident, *then* his (idiotic) "choice" to not wear a
seatbelt is allowable.

If you don't like free medicine, change that not this.

Notice I said nothing about cost.

What else could "hundreds or thousands of hours of care" mean?

TIME your stupid is taking from others.

They are paid to do it.

No we are not. The more serious the injury the longer traffic is
slowed. If you die the road will be closed while the accident is
investigated. None of the drivers and none of the goods and services
that you delayed are compensated. Traffic accidents are a cost to the
community and the community is entitled to regulate to minimise that
cost if individuals are too selfish to do it themselves.

I have never asked for roads to be closed for an accident. Move the smashed cars to the side and let people past. Take photos if you want evidence of fault.

What you have asked for is irrelevant. _We_ have asked the police to
investigate a serious accident. For that purpose they need to examine
and photograph the vehicles as they were immediately after the
accident. You may not have asked for that either but you live in our
society and you are using our roads. We are entitled to insist you
drive by our rules.

It's my road and my society to. What you want is no more important than what I want,

You don't get it do you? It's not yours or mine, it is ours. Our
society has decided that you must wear a seat belt and it has decided
the procedures following an accident.

Our society can define what's best for everyone else, but it cannot define what you do to YOUR OWN BODY. Hence cannabis being illegal is moronic.

May I suggest that you either wear the seat belt or you publicise your
decision not to wear one. If you decide not to wear the seat belt then
go to jail rather than pay the fine. You will quickly discover the
degree of support for your decision.

It's my body, my injuries, nobody else's, **** all to do with you if I hurt myself, which is very unlikely as most people never have a serious crash.

and I think you'll find 90% of people are ****ed off by stupid useless coppers who can't clean up an accident in under several hours. It doesn't take several hours to take some photos. Once you have the photos, you have all the evidence of positions. Then you can move the vehicles. Forensic analysis can take place with the vehicle in a different position. And what's all this **** about working out whose fault it was? Who gives a ****?

Even if you are right you have agreed with my initial point. We will
all have to pay if you exacerbate an accident because you refuse to
wear a seat belt.

The only thing I exacerbate is my own injuries, which doesn't affect you one iota.

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5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out of control Scalextric cars.