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On 7/23/2015 11:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/23/2015 10:42 AM, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 6:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Wonder if that was the guy who invented BBQ sauce, and melted butter? Colonel Sanders, the chicken guy, was it? Chicken that is just heavenly. Probably the first guy to splash hot cooking oil and holler Jesus Christ! while cooking. Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! We can always consult Strang's Concordance, and see what the learned scholars say. Maybe they have parabolas there? -- Maggie |
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On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 7/23/2015 6:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 11:12 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/22/2015 7:10 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 2:01 PM, Muggles wrote: It really WASN'T a throw away line in the old testament. Something changed in the new testament that nullified the law of not eating pork or shellfish which made it acceptable in the new testament. I remember some thing about a man coming to fulfil the law. I remember that, too. Wonder if that was the guy who invented BBQ sauce, and melted butter? Colonel Sanders, the chicken guy, was it? Chicken that is just heavenly. Probably the first guy to splash hot cooking oil and holler Jesus Christ! while cooking. Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! -- Maggie Small children are great with barbecue sauce and the toes are the crunchy part. The ears, if properly prepared, are wonderfully crispy. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Hungry Monster |
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:42:33 -0500, Muggles wrote:
Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! _The History Of Barbecue Sauce_ http://amazingribs.com/BBQ_articles/history_of_bbq_sauce.html Scroll down -- The oldest recipes |
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"bob_villa" wrote in message
... On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:21:42 AM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote: ALL "gods" are fantasies left over from a time when people thought the earth was flat and the four basic elements were phlegm, fire, bile, and who knows what else. If you *think* you have all the answers...you should read St. Augustine. Ashton only has to look at the source material that everyone's referring to realize it's WAY out of date and much of the Bible no longer applies. Leviticus, often cited as the Biblical authority to kill all homosexuals, has some great lines: People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18) If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). "Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die." (Leviticus 10:9) Translation: The billions of people drinking wine as the blood of Christ in church are either damned or Leviticus is not really meaningful anymore. So if this rule is no longer in play practically speaking, what about all the other rules? Leviticus 23:3 "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." (Leviticus 23:3) (I guess the entire NFL is going to hell - I wonder if the devout posters amongst us post on Sunday, too?) Leviticus 23:3 "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings." (Leviticus 23:3) (No more oysters, clams, calamari, etc.) The Often Overlooked Rules in Deuteronomy The book Deuteronomy also lays some laws down, but nobody ever mentions them, but why not take a look at those laws also? Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5) (I guess you're heading for Hell, Ashton) If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10) (What about no God?) If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of its inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15) Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7) Sounds like the damn Muslim terrorists, doesn't it. Yet it's in our Bible. -- Bobby G. |
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
... stuff snipped On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:21:58 -0400, "Robert Green" There was a time when "left-handedness" was treated the same as "gayness". People where discriminated against in various ways for being left-handed and people tried to 'cure' them of it. We've come along a bit since then and people now accept that left-handedness is as normal as right-handedness, just different. The GLBT thing is heading in the same direction as the dinosaurs die out. That's why the left hand is "sinister" in Latin and the right hand is "dexter." IIRC, lefties were looked on suspiciously because they could shake your right hand and stab you with their dominant left hand. I used to have knock-down, drag-out battles about Judas. My debating partner thought he was more evil than Satan for betraying the Lord. I countered with "If the Lord knows all that will come to pass, he knew Judas would betray him." In fact he says so when he says to Judas "Do what you must do quickly." Then I told her that Judas hanging himself showed remorse and he should be forgiven his sins. She would have none of it. This from the woman who allegedly worshipped the man who, on the cross, said "Forgive them Lord, they know not what they do." Which reminds me of "closely held" beliefs. She left the Catholic Church when she was unable to get a divorce decree. -- Bobby G. |
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On 7/23/2015 11:42 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 6:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 11:12 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/22/2015 7:10 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 2:01 PM, Muggles wrote: It really WASN'T a throw away line in the old testament. Something changed in the new testament that nullified the law of not eating pork or shellfish which made it acceptable in the new testament. I remember some thing about a man coming to fulfil the law. I remember that, too. Wonder if that was the guy who invented BBQ sauce, and melted butter? Colonel Sanders, the chicken guy, was it? Chicken that is just heavenly. Probably the first guy to splash hot cooking oil and holler Jesus Christ! while cooking. Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! -- Maggie Small children are great with barbecue sauce and the toes are the crunchy part. The ears, if properly prepared, are wonderfully crispy. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Hungry Monster Kind of like fried green tomatoes? -- Maggie |
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On 7/23/2015 12:17 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:42:33 -0500, Muggles wrote: Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! _The History Of Barbecue Sauce_ http://amazingribs.com/BBQ_articles/history_of_bbq_sauce.html Scroll down -- The oldest recipes We have GOT to stop talking about bbq, or I'm going to have to get some for dinner. -- Maggie |
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
stuff snipped Are people born left handed or do they learn it? Neither - it's a *choice* (-: -- Bobby G. |
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On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 1:49:34 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 7/23/2015 11:42 AM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 6:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 11:12 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/22/2015 7:10 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 2:01 PM, Muggles wrote: It really WASN'T a throw away line in the old testament. Something changed in the new testament that nullified the law of not eating pork or shellfish which made it acceptable in the new testament. I remember some thing about a man coming to fulfil the law. I remember that, too. Wonder if that was the guy who invented BBQ sauce, and melted butter? Colonel Sanders, the chicken guy, was it? Chicken that is just heavenly. Probably the first guy to splash hot cooking oil and holler Jesus Christ! while cooking. Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! -- Maggie Small children are great with barbecue sauce and the toes are the crunchy part. The ears, if properly prepared, are wonderfully crispy. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Hungry Monster Kind of like fried green tomatoes? -- Maggie More like fried pink toma(toes). ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Cannibal Monster |
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On 7/23/2015 3:09 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 1:49:34 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 11:42 AM, Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 6:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 11:12 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/22/2015 7:10 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/22/2015 2:01 PM, Muggles wrote: It really WASN'T a throw away line in the old testament. Something changed in the new testament that nullified the law of not eating pork or shellfish which made it acceptable in the new testament. I remember some thing about a man coming to fulfil the law. I remember that, too. Wonder if that was the guy who invented BBQ sauce, and melted butter? Colonel Sanders, the chicken guy, was it? Chicken that is just heavenly. Probably the first guy to splash hot cooking oil and holler Jesus Christ! while cooking. Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! -- Maggie Small children are great with barbecue sauce and the toes are the crunchy part. The ears, if properly prepared, are wonderfully crispy. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Hungry Monster Kind of like fried green tomatoes? -- Maggie More like fried pink toma(toes). ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Cannibal Monster roflol! -- Maggie |
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
stuff snipped People in love with unfettered "free market" are free to move to Somalia. Yet few of the USA lovers of the unfettered free market choose to do so. Good point. No pesky government to tell anyone what to do and it's one of the bleakest places on earth to live. Some do of course, but the ones who go there by choice are almost always companies cashing in on the mayhem, not individuals going to "start a good life". Maybe someday they'll find some precious mineral deposits that bring in prospectors and along with them (as happened in California, the Black Hills, Alaska, etc.) modern civilization. -- Bobby G. |
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On 7/23/2015 12:29 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/23/2015 11:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! We can always consult Strang's Concordance, and see what the learned scholars say. Maybe they have parabolas there? Sure, that's a story that goes up to infinity at the end? Either that, or four rocks tied on ropes, to snare game when thrown. (Not sure anyone will understand either of those.) -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/23/2015 1:17 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:42:33 -0500, Muggles wrote: Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! _The History Of Barbecue Sauce_ http://amazingribs.com/BBQ_articles/history_of_bbq_sauce.html Scroll down -- The oldest recipes Let me guess? Made in the oldest profession, by prostitutes who cook? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/23/2015 7:45 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/23/2015 12:29 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 11:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Some things you just take on faith like who invented BBQ sauce! We can always consult Strang's Concordance, and see what the learned scholars say. Maybe they have parabolas there? Sure, that's a story that goes up to infinity at the end? Either that, or four rocks tied on ropes, to snare game when thrown. (Not sure anyone will understand either of those.) hmmmm I don't have a good come back for this one. lol -- Maggie |
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On 7/23/2015 11:24 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/23/2015 7:45 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Maybe they have parabolas there? Sure, that's a story that goes up to infinity at the end? Either that, or four rocks tied on ropes, to snare game when thrown. (Not sure anyone will understand either of those.) hmmmm I don't have a good come back for this one. lol Moments like this, you just call me a bigot. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/24/2015 6:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/23/2015 11:24 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/23/2015 7:45 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Maybe they have parabolas there? Sure, that's a story that goes up to infinity at the end? Either that, or four rocks tied on ropes, to snare game when thrown. (Not sure anyone will understand either of those.) hmmmm I don't have a good come back for this one. lol Moments like this, you just call me a bigot. .... but I don't want to call you a bigot! How 'bout I call you a spigot? -- Maggie |
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On 7/24/2015 11:32 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/24/2015 6:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: hmmmm I don't have a good come back for this one. lol Moments like this, you just call me a bigot. ... but I don't want to call you a bigot! How 'bout I call you a spigot? Si! Si! Esta spigot, seńora. Muchas spigot. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/24/2015 2:44 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Si! Si! Esta spigot, seńora. Muchas spigot. Es más agradable ser llamado una espita que debe ser llamado a un fanático! ˇ Gracias, google Traducir! -- Maggie |
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On 7/24/2015 4:01 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/24/2015 2:44 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Si! Si! Esta spigot, seńora. Muchas spigot. Es más agradable ser llamado una espita que debe ser llamado a un fanático! ˇ Gracias, google Traducir! Spanish to English: I am an agressive llama which spits on your llama, as you are fantastic. Graces of God go with your goggles and transistor. Well, Muggles, you have left me speechless. Llama spit? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/24/2015 4:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/24/2015 4:01 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/24/2015 2:44 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Si! Si! Esta spigot, seńora. Muchas spigot. Es más agradable ser llamado una espita que debe ser llamado a un fanático! ˇ Gracias, google Traducir! Spanish to English: I am an agressive llama which spits on your llama, as you are fantastic. Graces of God go with your goggles and transistor. Well, Muggles, you have left me speechless. Llama spit? hahhaaaaaaaaahaha!! That wasn't even close to what I typed in English. {giggles} But, it was much funnier! -- Maggie |
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On 7/24/2015 5:17 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/24/2015 4:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Es más agradable ser llamado una espita que debe ser llamado a un fanático! ˇ Gracias, google Traducir! Spanish to English: I am an agressive llama which spits on your llama, as you are fantastic. Graces of God go with your goggles and transistor. Well, Muggles, you have left me speechless. Llama spit? hahhaaaaaaaaahaha!! That wasn't even close to what I typed in English. {giggles} But, it was much funnier! Sigh. Well, maybe I should have used a different translator? Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:59:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: hahhaaaaaaaaahaha!! That wasn't even close to what I typed in English. {giggles} But, it was much funnier! Sigh. Well, maybe I should have used a different translator? Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. You two need to talk American!! |
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On 7/24/2015 4:59 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/24/2015 5:17 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/24/2015 4:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Es más agradable ser llamado una espita que debe ser llamado a un fanático! ˇ Gracias, google Traducir! Spanish to English: I am an agressive llama which spits on your llama, as you are fantastic. Graces of God go with your goggles and transistor. Well, Muggles, you have left me speechless. Llama spit? hahhaaaaaaaaahaha!! That wasn't even close to what I typed in English. {giggles} But, it was much funnier! Sigh. Well, maybe I should have used a different translator? Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. I like those kind of mistakes. -- Maggie |
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On 7/24/2015 5:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:59:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote: hahhaaaaaaaaahaha!! That wasn't even close to what I typed in English. {giggles} But, it was much funnier! Sigh. Well, maybe I should have used a different translator? Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. You two need to talk American!! ok ... Can I have any accent I want? -- Maggie |
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On 7/24/2015 6:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:59:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote: hahhaaaaaaaaahaha!! That wasn't even close to what I typed in English. {giggles} But, it was much funnier! Sigh. Well, maybe I should have used a different translator? Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. You two need to talk American!! Sho rat! Know I'm sayin, home? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/24/2015 8:37 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/24/2015 5:45 PM, Oren wrote: Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. You two need to talk American!! ok ... Can I have any accent I want? Naaat if that haaaas taaaa be baaaaston! -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/24/2015 9:36 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/24/2015 8:37 PM, Muggles wrote: On 7/24/2015 5:45 PM, Oren wrote: Well, no worries. Some times mistakes can be a really hoot. You two need to talk American!! ok ... Can I have any accent I want? Naaat if that haaaas taaaa be baaaaston! umm ... no problem. I'll try a Southern drawl, sugar. -- Maggie |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:34:47 -0500, Muggles wrote:
On 7/21/2015 8:21 PM, Robert Green wrote: "Ashton Crusher" wrote in message stuff snipped It's not because I don't agree with your point of view. It's because you, if you support discrimination because someone is gay, are a bigot. If I agreed with you then BOTH of us would be bigots. This gayness is a choice thing is pretty easy to demolish. When did any straight person reading this thread make a conscious decision to become a heterosexual? The surprisingly simple answer is that they didn't just as most (all?) homosexuals didn't make a decision to become homosexual. One day they realized that's who they were. But if that's not enough proof it's NOT a moral choice, but an innate process common to more than 10% of all species, there's this: http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/0...homosexuality/ Recent research has found that homosexual behavior in animals may be much more common than previously thought. Although Darwin's theory of natural selection predicts an evolutionary disadvantage for animals that fail to pass along their traits through reproduction with the opposite sex, the validity of this part of his theory has been questioned with the discoveries of homosexual behavior in more than 10% of prevailing species throughout the world. Rats turn "gay" when their colonies become over-crowded as if Nature was trying to reduce the population by limiting pup-producing sexual relations. How can it be a choice for a dumb animal without a moral system whatsoever? It's most likely to be just the same for human beings. One thing's clear from everything I've read, you can't *really* cure gay and trying to live as a straight person is a loveless hell that a loving Creator would never force upon us. One argument in favor of being gay is people are born gay. I've always countered that argument with a logical response. Do you think people are born gay? 1) I'm inclined to think they are... but 2) even if it is/was a choice, what possible concern is it of anyone else that someone choose to be gay rather than straight? From the hysterics of the religious adherents you'd think someone was proposing to tie them all down and shove a cock down their throats. All that's being asked of them is to leave other people alone and let them live their lives as they choose to live them, which is hurting no one. The only people trying to force others to make choices they don't want to make are the religious adherents. |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:07:04 -0500, Muggles wrote:
On 7/22/2015 8:07 AM, Robert Green wrote: "Bob" wrote in message eb.com... On 7/22/2015 12:34 AM, Muggles wrote: One argument in favor of being gay is people are born gay. I've always countered that argument with a logical response. Do you think people are born gay? We are what we are. We can't change our sexual preference any more than we can change our eye color. Maybe someday we'll be able to alter our firmware and tweak our attributes. There are colored contact lenses that can turn brown-eyes blue but I get your point. What really frosts my cake is that many religious types actually believe if you work VERY hard at it, you can "ungay" youself. All it takes to become anything is a decision, and then putting your actions behind that decision. [cut lengthy text] So all I need to do to become the best baseball player in the world is to simply decide that's what *I am* and act like it? I never realized it was SO EASY to be what you are not. |
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:48:11 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote: "Ashton Crusher" wrote in message .. . stuff snipped On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:21:58 -0400, "Robert Green" There was a time when "left-handedness" was treated the same as "gayness". People where discriminated against in various ways for being left-handed and people tried to 'cure' them of it. We've come along a bit since then and people now accept that left-handedness is as normal as right-handedness, just different. The GLBT thing is heading in the same direction as the dinosaurs die out. That's why the left hand is "sinister" in Latin and the right hand is "dexter." IIRC, lefties were looked on suspiciously because they could shake your right hand and stab you with their dominant left hand. I used to have knock-down, drag-out battles about Judas. My debating partner thought he was more evil than Satan for betraying the Lord. I countered with "If the Lord knows all that will come to pass, he knew Judas would betray him." In fact he says so when he says to Judas "Do what you must do quickly." Then I told her that Judas hanging himself showed remorse and he should be forgiven his sins. She would have none of it. This from the woman who allegedly worshipped the man who, on the cross, said "Forgive them Lord, they know not what they do." Which reminds me of "closely held" beliefs. She left the Catholic Church when she was unable to get a divorce decree. My mother left when the priest refused to absolve her sin of using birth control. |
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:55:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 7/19/2015 11:08 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon Interesting that you folks think Jesus is a bigot. Your mind reading really sucks. Your name calling is extreme. Hmm. Oh, wait, you're a liberal? You imply you support bigotry so it's hardly name calling to say you are a bigot. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot Full Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance — big·ot·ed \-g?-t?d\ adjective — big·ot·ed·ly adverb See bigot defined for English-language learners See bigot defined for kids ========================================= I'm challenging you to demonstrate any hatred in my writing. As to intolerance, same goes. Teaching people not to sin is one of the most loving things a man can do. I'm not going back thru all the messages to see so if you feel I've unjustly accused you I will withdraw my statement calling you a bigot. I will ask you this, ..if you were "the baker" we keep talking about, would you knowingly bake and sell a cake to a gay couple for their wedding or would you defy the state law and refuse to sell to them because they are gay? Also, regardless of what you might do personally, would you support or condemn the actions of some other "baker" who refused to sell a cake to a gay customer and elected to violate state law by refusing? |
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On 7/25/2015 5:20 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:07:04 -0500, Muggles wrote: On 7/22/2015 8:07 AM, Robert Green wrote: "Bob" wrote in message eb.com... On 7/22/2015 12:34 AM, Muggles wrote: One argument in favor of being gay is people are born gay. I've always countered that argument with a logical response. Do you think people are born gay? We are what we are. We can't change our sexual preference any more than we can change our eye color. Maybe someday we'll be able to alter our firmware and tweak our attributes. There are colored contact lenses that can turn brown-eyes blue but I get your point. What really frosts my cake is that many religious types actually believe if you work VERY hard at it, you can "ungay" youself. All it takes to become anything is a decision, and then putting your actions behind that decision. [cut lengthy text] So all I need to do to become the best baseball player in the world is to simply decide that's what *I am* and act like it? I never realized it was SO EASY to be what you are not. If you put it that way, you just pick up a baseball bat and ball and practice. Then you join a local baseball team and then you're a baseball player, but only do that if you make a decision to do it. -- Maggie |
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On 7/25/2015 5:17 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:34:47 -0500, Muggles wrote: On 7/21/2015 8:21 PM, Robert Green wrote: "Ashton Crusher" wrote in message stuff snipped It's not because I don't agree with your point of view. It's because you, if you support discrimination because someone is gay, are a bigot. If I agreed with you then BOTH of us would be bigots. This gayness is a choice thing is pretty easy to demolish. When did any straight person reading this thread make a conscious decision to become a heterosexual? The surprisingly simple answer is that they didn't just as most (all?) homosexuals didn't make a decision to become homosexual. One day they realized that's who they were. But if that's not enough proof it's NOT a moral choice, but an innate process common to more than 10% of all species, there's this: http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/0...homosexuality/ Recent research has found that homosexual behavior in animals may be much more common than previously thought. Although Darwin's theory of natural selection predicts an evolutionary disadvantage for animals that fail to pass along their traits through reproduction with the opposite sex, the validity of this part of his theory has been questioned with the discoveries of homosexual behavior in more than 10% of prevailing species throughout the world. Rats turn "gay" when their colonies become over-crowded as if Nature was trying to reduce the population by limiting pup-producing sexual relations. How can it be a choice for a dumb animal without a moral system whatsoever? It's most likely to be just the same for human beings. One thing's clear from everything I've read, you can't *really* cure gay and trying to live as a straight person is a loveless hell that a loving Creator would never force upon us. One argument in favor of being gay is people are born gay. I've always countered that argument with a logical response. Do you think people are born gay? 1) I'm inclined to think they are... but 2) even if it is/was a choice, what possible concern is it of anyone else that someone choose to be gay rather than straight? Well, many people have used the argument that people are "born" gay in order to force a mindset on others who disagree with the lifestyle. From the hysterics of the religious adherents you'd think someone was proposing to tie them all down and shove a cock down their throats. The objections I've seen have to do with gays changing the definition of what constitutes a marriage. Most people I know don't give a rip one way or another what other people do. OTOH, many people cared about the definition of marriage. All that's being asked of them is to leave other people alone and let them live their lives as they choose to live them, which is hurting no one. The only people trying to force others to make choices they don't want to make are the religious adherents. I don't think it's that simple. -- Maggie |
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:50:05 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 7/23/2015 10:26 AM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 06:25:46 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 7/19/2015 11:11 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:26:53 -0400, Stormin Mormon I'm starting to wonder. Ashton appears to be completely convinced that he has a complete and correct understanding of Jesus. And that he has a complete understanding of what others believe. That's pretty bold. Jesus might be speaking thru me. Prove he isn't. Now I know you're a troll, trying to prove a negative. I've provided the teachings of the living prophets, don't need to prove any more than that. https://www.lds.org/topics/same-gend...ction?lang=eng No, you've simply done the thing I posted as the example of the absurdity. What's the LDS position on shaving and cutting your hair? Both are sins according to the bible. Again, I'm not going to try to prove a negative. No one is asking you to. You are being asked if you follow ALL the laws regarding hair and beards such as these ones below or do you just do what is convenient and suits you personally without regard to god's laws? http://www.openbible.info/topics/shaving Leviticus 19:27 ESV / 64 helpful votes You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. Ezekiel 44:20 ESV / 32 helpful votes They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads. Deuteronomy 14:1 ESV / 21 helpful votes “You are the sons of the Lord your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead. Numbers 6:5 ESV / 19 helpful votes “All the days of his vow of separation, no razor shall touch his head. Until the time is completed for which he separates himself to the Lord, he shall be holy. He shall let the locks of hair of his head grow long. Judges 13:5 ESV / 11 helpful votes For behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. No razor shall come upon his head, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb, and he shall begin to save Israel from the hand of the Philistines.” Numbers 6:18 ESV / 10 helpful votes And the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the entrance of the tent of meeting and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire that is under the sacrifice of the peace offering. Leviticus 21:5-6 ESV / 7 helpful votes They shall not make bald patches on their heads, nor shave off the edges of their beards, nor make any cuts on their body. They shall be holy to their God and not profane the name of their God. For they offer the Lord's food offerings, the bread of their God; therefore they shall be holy. Job 1:20 ESV / 6 helpful votes Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. |
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:07:00 -0500, Muggles wrote:
On 7/22/2015 10:39 AM, Dan Espen wrote: Muggles writes: On 7/22/2015 1:33 AM, Robert Green wrote: "Ashton Crusher" wrote in message Yet in spite of that the good Christians on here would refuse service to gays DUE TO THEIR CHRISTIAN RELIGION!!! They make a mockery of their Christianity. "Prejudice, a dirty word, and faith, a clean one, have something in common: they both begin where reason ends." - Harper Lee Prejudice: : an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc. me- I was wondering who gets to decide which feelings are unfair? : a feeling of like or dislike for someone or something especially when it is not reasonable or logical me- Also wondering, who gets to decide what feelings are logical or reasonable? We tend to toss the word "prejudice" around as IF it is a dirty word, but it isn't. It represents people's feelings, and that's one thing that can't be legislated, manipulated, or controlled in people around us let alone ourselves. You continue to post off topic stupid stuff. What is your problem? 'Scuse me. I didn't bring up this topic, and multiple people are responding to the discussion. You're welcome to ignore it. You should know who gets to decide, especially in this case, since it was the Supreme Court. Which case are you talking about? I was referencing Robert Green's use of the word "prejudice" in his Harper Lee quote. When the word prejudice is used in every day speech, the person saying the word got to decide. So, anyone can decide if someone else is being prejudiced, right? What is a valid litmus test for validating that sort of label? Sure the word represents a feeling. In this case, it's an "unfair", "illogical" feeling. So if someone called you prejudiced in this thread, it's because they think your "feelings" are "unfair" and / or "illogical". Is that so hard to understand? So, likewise, I can call you prejudiced if I feel your "feelings" are "unfair" or "illogical"? Will that mean I'm correct because I say that about you? IOW, does calling someone "prejudiced" have unintended consequences to putting that label onto someone else? You're post above is just a bunch of nonsense. You're prejudiced, obviously, because your comment presents feelings that are "unfair" and "illogical", in my opinion. Of course prejudice is a bad thing. Look at the definition again. You can't make it into a good word with the silly line of reasoning you present above. Is that so? People who disagree often attempt to counter their opponents argument by attacking their character by calling them "prejudiced". If you can cause doubt in someone elses character, you can begin to win your argument based on personal attacks vs. arguing the actual content of the message, instead. Prejudice is a judgement based on political correctness and individual viewpoints. What is fair to one person is unfair to another. Whether you are prejudiced or not is a separate issue. I make no statement on that subject, that's between you and the other posters here who seem to care what you think. We're all prejudiced about something if we decide to take a stand on any issue at all because someone will see our position as being unfair and/or illogical. I'm posting just to comment on how ridiculous your "reasoning" above is. My "reasoning" makes logical sense until I pass the point of not being politically correct in someones eyes. We all know prejudice is a bad thing. Well, all of us, except you apparently. Prejudice is only bad if it supports evil. Otherwise, prejudice that supports good is good prejudice. And being prejudiced against someone simply because they are gay is evil. Glad you are finally seeing the light. |
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:17:41 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote: The only people trying to force others to make choices they don't want to make are the religious adherents. WRONG. Try again. |
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On 7/25/2015 5:48 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:07:00 -0500, Muggles wrote: Prejudice is only bad if it supports evil. Otherwise, prejudice that supports good is good prejudice. And being prejudiced against someone simply because they are gay is evil. Glad you are finally seeing the light. Politically correct statements really kill individuality and freedom of thought. Why would you want to do that? -- Maggie |
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On 7/25/2015 6:45 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:50:05 -0400, Stormin Mormon Jesus might be speaking thru me. Prove he isn't. Now I know you're a troll, trying to prove a negative. I've provided the teachings of the living prophets, don't need to prove any more than that. https://www.lds.org/topics/same-gend...ction?lang=eng Again, I'm not going to try to prove a negative. No one is asking you to. You are being asked if you follow ALL the laws regarding hair and beards such as these ones below or do you just do what is convenient and suits you personally without regard to god's laws? Goal post move noted. Again. How many more times are you going to try that nonsense? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/25/2015 6:28 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
You imply you support bigotry so it's hardly name calling to say you are a bigot. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot Full Definition of BIGOT : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance — big·ot·ed \-g?-t?d\ adjective — big·ot·ed·ly adverb See bigot defined for English-language learners See bigot defined for kids ========================================= I'm challenging you to demonstrate any hatred in my writing. As to intolerance, same goes. Teaching people not to sin is one of the most loving things a man can do. I'm not going back thru all the messages to see so if you feel I've unjustly accused you I will withdraw my statement calling you a bigot. Thank you. I accept. Goal post move text deleted before reply. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 7/25/2015 6:56 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:17:41 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: The only people trying to force others to make choices they don't want to make are the religious adherents. WRONG. Try again. Have gays done any thing like trying to force others to make choices they don't want to make? Like baking faggot sodomite perverted sinful celebration cake? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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