I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested, join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype

bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested, join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype

Hi,
Wonder if it is made in China now? Our dog is always on "Blue" dog food.
So far sso good.

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:09:11 PM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested, join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype

Hi,
Wonder if it is made in China now? Our dog is always on "Blue" dog food.
So far sso good.

maybe its made by the same chinese company that makes flooring for lumber liquidators.

benefuls lack of concern bugs me a lot. theres far too many defective products being sold where the manufacturer either ignores the issue or worse actively covers it up.

like Chevy cobalt ignition switches. we had one of those that fit the profile exactlly. short overweight driver with heavy key ring. wifes car quit often for no apparent reason.

now take takata air bags, toyota run away cars, going back awhile bad firestone tires...

feds need a law, forward all safety defects on to consumer product safety agency, who would track troubles, manufactures would be required to self report problems.

attempted cover up? CEOs go off to prison, companies fined 5 years worth of profits.

make cover ups or ignorance so expensive its not worth it.....

after 1 or 2 ceos are lead off in shackles to prison all products would be safer for consumers

bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food,
we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.



Be nice to get a thorough test.

Greg

gregz wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food,
we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.



Be nice to get a thorough test.

Greg

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/n...tFoodTest1.pdf

Greg

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:04:34 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time

How big is a batch? It might be 10,000 pounds or more.

You know the raisin bran cereal t hat says it has two scoops of raisins.
It says the same thing for every size box they sell. But it doesn 't
say how big the scoops are. (To be fair, last time I had some, it had
enough raisins, but still....)

of production.

On 3/14/2015 8:04 PM, bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested, join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype


I've never used Beneful for our little pooch; only grain-free and not
made in China. There was an article in the Indianapolis Star about
three or four months ago about a dog food made by Eli Lilly that a
lot of owners were feeling caused seizures. No problems found by
analysis, IIRC.

I did a google search after I started typing this and WOW! Trifexis was
the name of the Eli Lilly food, but I got hits for Purina Beneful...and
a lawsuit claiming that THOUSANDS of dogs became ill from Beneful dry
kibble food (nausea, vomiting, etc).

FWIW, the FDA has a website to list recalls of pet foods, he
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm393160.htm

On 3/15/2015 8:15 AM, Norminn wrote:
On 3/14/2015 8:04 PM, bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed
food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of
these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a
sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat
poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time
of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they
never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested,
join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address
the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from
their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype


I've never used Beneful for our little pooch; only grain-free and not
made in China. There was an article in the Indianapolis Star about
three or four months ago about a dog food made by Eli Lilly that a
lot of owners were feeling caused seizures. No problems found by
analysis, IIRC.

I did a google search after I started typing this and WOW! Trifexis was
the name of the Eli Lilly food, but I got hits for Purina Beneful...and
a lawsuit claiming that THOUSANDS of dogs became ill from Beneful dry
kibble food (nausea, vomiting, etc).

FWIW, the FDA has a website to list recalls of pet foods, he
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm393160.htm


Trifexis is not dog food, it is medication for fleas and heartworm.

http://consumerist.com/2015/03/12/se...cludes-toxins/

Nobuddy gives a **** about yer dogs, sailor.

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:04:50 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

To not test it seems odd. Since this has been going on, reported
in the media for a while now, maybe they've gotten and tested hundreds
of samples from situations where the dogs had even worse symptoms
and didn't find anything. I guess the questions is who's doing the
testing and what are they looking for? Could be something is there
that doesn't show up as a typical poison.

Did they offer a refund for the product?




Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.


My guess would be that it's something more unusual than one of
the obvious poisons or they would have found it by now. There are
dogs that are dead, rat poision should show up easily at autopsy.
I'd think it's a lot more likely that it's something that's made
it's way into the normal component stream than a deliberate nut job.

On 3/15/2015 8:15 AM, Norminn wrote:
I've never used Beneful for our little pooch; only grain-free and not
made in China. There was an article in the Indianapolis Star about
three or four months ago about a dog food made by Eli Lilly that a
lot of owners were feeling caused seizures. No problems found by
analysis, IIRC.

I did a google search after I started typing this and WOW! Trifexis was
the name of the Eli Lilly food, but I got hits for Purina Beneful...and
a lawsuit claiming that THOUSANDS of dogs became ill from Beneful dry
kibble food (nausea, vomiting, etc).

FWIW, the FDA has a website to list recalls of pet foods, he
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm393160.htm


I've thought, for years, that dogs ought to eat
much the same as humans. No buying bags of dog
food, just prepare some extra for the dog. Most
of the dogs I meet, steal food off the table if
given a chance. Might not work as well for some
vegetables, but who knows?

I've also heard that food from China (both dog
and cat and human) is more likely to contain toxins.
One of the reasons I don't buy food from Walmart,
if I can help it.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:21:37 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:09:11 PM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested, join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype

Hi,
Wonder if it is made in China now? Our dog is always on "Blue" dog food.
So far sso good.

maybe its made by the same chinese company that makes flooring for lumber liquidators.

benefuls lack of concern bugs me a lot. theres far too many defective products being sold where the manufacturer either ignores the issue or worse actively covers it up.

like Chevy cobalt ignition switches. we had one of those that fit the profile exactlly. short overweight driver with heavy key ring. wifes car quit often for no apparent reason.

now take takata air bags, toyota run away cars, going back awhile bad firestone tires...

feds need a law, forward all safety defects on to consumer product safety agency, who would track troubles, manufactures would be required to self report problems.

attempted cover up? CEOs go off to prison, companies fined 5 years worth of profits.

make cover ups or ignorance so expensive its not worth it.....

after 1 or 2 ceos are lead off in shackles to prison all products would be safer for consumers

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have unshakable
faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and capable, why haven't they
figured out what the problem here is? If it's as simple as just sending
some samples off to a lab, the govt has that capability too as well
as it's own labs.

I got curious and did a search. It seems there was a
recall in 2007 for aflatoxin, which comes from mold on
peanuts and grains, and is said to be one of the most
powerful carcinogens ever discovered. But despite lots
of complaints, I didn't find anything about any actual
evidence currently.

Why not change to a better product? Whatever is in
Beneful, it's clearly on the level of junk food. Personally
I wouldn't eat anything from Purina or Nestle. That's
industrial food product. There's no reason to expect that
it's made with fresh, healthy ingredients. Industrial food
products are sold by advertising, not by quality. Beneful
seems to be made mainly of corn meal filler (for fiber)
and chicken "by-product meal". Presumably that's the
feathers, droppings, guts, organs, and whatever else
is left over after chicken processing, sterilizied, dried
and ground into powder. Yum. At *best* it might include
the chicken mush used to make "fake" chicken
pieces in cheap restaurants, obtained by pressure-spraying
the chicken bones to get off any leftover residue. (I say
fake because the mush is glued together and apparently
bleached to look like a piece of white chicken meat.)

Are you really going to miss Nestle chocolate? If so then
here's your chance to taste chocolate that actually tastes
like chocolate. A quick search shows Nestle chocolate chips
contain "artificial flavoring". How bad can chocolate be to
need artificial flavoring?!

Any decent chocolate bar should have *at least* 50%
cocoa solids. If the percentage isn't even listed that's
clear evidence that it's junk candy.

On 3/15/2015 9:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have unshakable
faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and capable, why haven't they
figured out what the problem here is? If it's as simple as just sending
some samples off to a lab, the govt has that capability too as well
as it's own labs.


GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.
Right now big ag, big chem and big pharm are making billions so their highly-paid
stooges are working furiously to keep the facts covered up.
When the truth finally comes out, this will be bigger than the tobacco scandal.

Keep in mind that the FDA only exists to promote the health of big agriculture.
They don't give a **** about you or your pet's health.

"Mayayana" wrote in :

[...]
A quick search shows Nestle chocolate chips
contain "artificial flavoring".

Liar.

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 10:55:57 AM UTC-4, Jack Lapin wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have unshakable
faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and capable, why haven't they
figured out what the problem here is? If it's as simple as just sending
some samples off to a lab, the govt has that capability too as well
as it's own labs.


GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.

A quick segue into kooksville, without any basis whatever.




Right now big ag, big chem and big pharm are making billions so their highly-paid
stooges are working furiously to keep the facts covered up.
When the truth finally comes out, this will be bigger than the tobacco scandal.

Keep in mind that the FDA only exists to promote the health of big agriculture.
They don't give a **** about you or your pet's health.

Obviously you're clueless. The FDA has been involved in many instances
of identifying bad pet food, finding the cause, getting product recalled, etc. But that interferes with the narrative, doesn't it?

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:21:34 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

after 1 or 2 ceos are lead off in shackles to prison all products would be safer for consumers

Hasn't worked so far.
--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 10:55:57 AM UTC-4, Jack Lapin wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have
unshakable faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and capable,
why haven't they figured out what the problem here is? If it's as
simple as just sending some samples off to a lab, the govt has that
capability too as well
as it's own labs.


GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.

A quick segue into kooksville, without any basis whatever.




Right now big ag, big chem and big pharm are making billions so
their highly-paid stooges are working furiously to keep the facts
covered up.
When the truth finally comes out, this will be bigger than the
tobacco scandal.

Keep in mind that the FDA only exists to promote the health of big
agriculture. They don't give a **** about you or your pet's health.

Obviously you're clueless. The FDA has been involved in many
instances
of identifying bad pet food, finding the cause, getting product
recalled, etc. But that interferes with the narrative, doesn't it?

Not that I blame the FDA , but GMO food IS toxic - not because it's GMO
but because it's loaded with glyphosate , which IS toxic . Don't have the
link at hand but I read an article about a pig farmer in Europe Netherlands
? that stopped feeding GOM feed to his pigs and a number of problems he had
disappeared . Yup , empirical evidence , but still ... you won't catch me
using that stuff on anything my family eats , and I'll buy non-GMO when I
can .

--
Snag

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 12:13:39 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 10:55:57 AM UTC-4, Jack Lapin wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have
unshakable faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and capable,
why haven't they figured out what the problem here is? If it's as
simple as just sending some samples off to a lab, the govt has that
capability too as well
as it's own labs.


GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.

A quick segue into kooksville, without any basis whatever.




Right now big ag, big chem and big pharm are making billions so
their highly-paid stooges are working furiously to keep the facts
covered up.
When the truth finally comes out, this will be bigger than the
tobacco scandal.

Keep in mind that the FDA only exists to promote the health of big
agriculture. They don't give a **** about you or your pet's health.

Obviously you're clueless. The FDA has been involved in many
instances
of identifying bad pet food, finding the cause, getting product
recalled, etc. But that interferes with the narrative, doesn't it?

Not that I blame the FDA , but GMO food IS toxic - not because it's GMO
but because it's loaded with glyphosate , which IS toxic . Don't have the
link at hand but I read an article about a pig farmer in Europe Netherlands
? that stopped feeding GOM feed to his pigs and a number of problems he had
disappeared . Yup , empirical evidence , but still ... you won't catch me
using that stuff on anything my family eats , and I'll buy non-GMO when I
can .

--
Snag

Sure, anecdotal report of one pig farmer, there you go..... What
powerful evidence. And curiously, if it's glyphosate that's causing
the alleged Beneful problem, why exactly is it apparently confined to
Beneful and not all the other pet foods that also use all kinds of grains?
Good grief. If it was that, one would expect widespread problems across
all kinds of pet food.

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:21:37 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 8:09:11 PM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

called my vet and they said they are getting bscattered reports of these same symptoms, that clear up when beneful is discontinued....

I have 3 30 pound sacks, one just opened.

So I called beneful they were very nice. I asked them if they want a sample, sure they said.

but they only do a visual inspection no tests for chemical containments.

this makes no sense at all.....

Some idiot in the distribution system could use a needle to inject rat poision into dog food. and beneful says we test each batch at the time of production.

purina beneful and nestle are all the same company. apparently they never heard of tylenol contamination...

in any case i will see what it will cost to get the opened bag tested, join the class action suit, not for money but to get them to address the issue.

I will miss nestle candy, since i will quit buying any roducts from their organization.

they claim its not a problem its all social media driven hype

Hi,
Wonder if it is made in China now? Our dog is always on "Blue" dog food.
So far sso good.

maybe its made by the same chinese company that makes flooring for lumber liquidators.

benefuls lack of concern bugs me a lot. theres far too many defective products being sold where the manufacturer either ignores the issue or worse actively covers it up.

like Chevy cobalt ignition switches. we had one of those that fit the profile exactlly. short overweight driver with heavy key ring. wifes car quit often for no apparent reason.

now take takata air bags, toyota run away cars, going back awhile bad firestone tires...

feds need a law, forward all safety defects on to consumer product safety agency, who would track troubles, manufactures would be required to self report problems.

attempted cover up? CEOs go off to prison, companies fined 5 years worth of profits.

make cover ups or ignorance so expensive its not worth it.....

after 1 or 2 ceos are lead off in shackles to prison all products would be safer for consumers

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have unshakable
faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and capable, why haven't they
figured out what the problem here is? If it's as simple as just sending
some samples off to a lab, the govt has that capability too as well
as it's own labs.

Another aspect that argues against coverups, willful ignorance is this.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the Purina execs are a bunch
focused on their profits and they don't care about the pets at all.
This has been going on for a long time now. If they know what's causing
it, or even if they had an idea what might be causing it, eg they know
they added an ingredient, or changed suppliers just prior to the problems
being reported, what would they do? If they are just out for profit, does
it make more sense to continue to ship the stuff as is, or fix the
problem? By shipping it, your whole brand is almost certainly going to
go down the tubes. On the other hand, you could just eliminate whatever
you had any inkling might be causing the problem. If some supply of
whatever is contaminated with something, Purina has a lot to lose by not
fixing it, ie the Purina brand and all their customers.

On 3/14/2015 11:21 PM, gregz wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food,
we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.



Be nice to get a thorough test.

Our 13 year old Beagle currently eats Beneful and has her entire life.
She's as healthy and active as any dog I've ever seen at her age.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/beneful.asp

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 12:13:39 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 10:55:57 AM UTC-4, Jack Lapin wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have
unshakable faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and
capable, why haven't they figured out what the problem here is?
If it's as simple as just sending some samples off to a lab, the
govt has that capability too as well
as it's own labs.


GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.

A quick segue into kooksville, without any basis whatever.




Right now big ag, big chem and big pharm are making billions so
their highly-paid stooges are working furiously to keep the facts
covered up.
When the truth finally comes out, this will be bigger than the
tobacco scandal.

Keep in mind that the FDA only exists to promote the health of big
agriculture. They don't give a **** about you or your pet's health.

Obviously you're clueless. The FDA has been involved in many
instances
of identifying bad pet food, finding the cause, getting product
recalled, etc. But that interferes with the narrative, doesn't it?

Not that I blame the FDA , but GMO food IS toxic - not because
it's GMO but because it's loaded with glyphosate , which IS toxic .
Don't have the link at hand but I read an article about a pig farmer
in Europe Netherlands ?
that stopped feeding GOM feed to his pigs and a number of problems
he had
disappeared . Yup , empirical evidence , but still ... you won't
catch me using that stuff on anything my family eats , and I'll buy
non-GMO when I can .

--
Snag

Sure, anecdotal report of one pig farmer, there you go..... What
powerful evidence. And curiously, if it's glyphosate that's causing
the alleged Beneful problem, why exactly is it apparently confined to
Beneful and not all the other pet foods that also use all kinds of
grains? Good grief. If it was that, one would expect widespread
problems across all kinds of pet food.

You're welcome to stuff anything you want into your piehole . I choose to
be more discriminatory . And I read no mention of glyphosate being
incrinimated in the pet food problem , you musta pulled that one outta your
ass .
You're pretty good at that ...
--
Snag

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 12:52:44 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 12:13:39 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 10:55:57 AM UTC-4, Jack Lapin wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:

You are quick to condemn the company here, but apparently have
unshakable faith in the govt. If the govt is so smart and
capable, why haven't they figured out what the problem here is?
If it's as simple as just sending some samples off to a lab, the
govt has that capability too as well
as it's own labs.


GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.

A quick segue into kooksville, without any basis whatever.




Right now big ag, big chem and big pharm are making billions so
their highly-paid stooges are working furiously to keep the facts
covered up.
When the truth finally comes out, this will be bigger than the
tobacco scandal.

Keep in mind that the FDA only exists to promote the health of big
agriculture. They don't give a **** about you or your pet's health.

Obviously you're clueless. The FDA has been involved in many
instances
of identifying bad pet food, finding the cause, getting product
recalled, etc. But that interferes with the narrative, doesn't it?

Not that I blame the FDA , but GMO food IS toxic - not because
it's GMO but because it's loaded with glyphosate , which IS toxic .
Don't have the link at hand but I read an article about a pig farmer
in Europe Netherlands ?
that stopped feeding GOM feed to his pigs and a number of problems
he had
disappeared . Yup , empirical evidence , but still ... you won't
catch me using that stuff on anything my family eats , and I'll buy
non-GMO when I can .

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Sure, anecdotal report of one pig farmer, there you go..... What
powerful evidence. And curiously, if it's glyphosate that's causing
the alleged Beneful problem, why exactly is it apparently confined to
Beneful and not all the other pet foods that also use all kinds of
grains? Good grief. If it was that, one would expect widespread
problems across all kinds of pet food.

You're welcome to stuff anything you want into your piehole . I choose to
be more discriminatory . And I read no mention of glyphosate being
incrinimated in the pet food problem , you musta pulled that one outta your
ass .
You're pretty good at that ...
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I pulled glyphosate into this? Good grief. The thread is about reported
problems with Beneful dog food. YOU're the one who brought up glyphosate:

"Not that I blame the FDA , but GMO food IS toxic - not because it's GMO
but because it's loaded with glyphosate , which IS toxic"

And while it hadn't been "incrinimated" by anyone, you sure attempted
to do so.

Idiot.

On 2015-03-15, Doug Miller wrote:

"Mayayana" wrote in :

A quick search shows Nestle chocolate chips
contain "artificial flavoring".

Liar.

Somebody is lying!

http://www.labelwatch.com/prod_results.php?pid=122503

They use red ink for the "artificial" entries. Makes it easeir for
trolls to read.

nb

On 2015-03-15, Terry Coombs wrote:

trader_4 wrote:

Sure, anecdotal report of one pig farmer, there you go..... What
powerful evidence.

I notice you completely gloss over the fact GMO foods are essentially
banned in most of Europe. It's the reason Monsanto withdrew its FDA
application for GMO wheat. Zat powerful enough?

I choose to be more discriminatory .

As you should. Problem is, in US, there is zero GMO labeling. Gee, I
wonder who is responsible for that little --but hotly contested!--
oversight?

nb

notbob wrote in :

On 2015-03-15, Doug Miller wrote:

"Mayayana" wrote in news:me46bq$hm2$1@dont-
email.me:

A quick search shows Nestle chocolate chips
contain "artificial flavoring".

Liar.

Somebody is lying!

http://www.labelwatch.com/prod_results.php?pid=122503

They are. Here's a photograph of an actual Nestle ingredient label:
http://techiefather.com/wp-content/u...estle-info.jpg

They use red ink for the "artificial" entries. Makes it easeir for
trolls to read.

And easier to spot the lies, too...

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

GMO food is toxic for people and their pets.

A quick segue into kooksville, without any basis whatever.

.... I hate Melamine

"...Sciencebase presents a succinct list of melamine contaminated food
list culled from the most recent news results on the subject. "

Blog:

http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/melamine-contaminated-food-list.html

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
On 2015-03-15, Terry Coombs wrote:

trader_4 wrote:

Sure, anecdotal report of one pig farmer, there you go..... What
powerful evidence.

I notice you completely gloss over the fact GMO foods are essentially
banned in most of Europe. It's the reason Monsanto withdrew its FDA
application for GMO wheat. Zat powerful enough?


It's simply not true. GMOs, like everything else in socialist Europe
are heavily regulated and approved one at a time. There are many GMOs
approved in the EU. Food containing GMO is legal, as long as it's marked.
There is no "ban" in most of Europe.
The fact that socialists and hippies are screwing around with it,
trying to delay it, make it case by case, isn't very compelling evidence
as to it's safety. And if it's unsafe, why is it being used in the EU at all?

On 2015-03-15, Doug Miller wrote:

They are. Here's a photograph of an actual Nestle ingredient label:
http://techiefather.com/wp-content/u...estle-info.jpg

Yeah, like I can read that!

Where does it say whether or not Nestle's includes GMO foods? Oh!
Not required, you say. How convenient.

And easier to spot the lies, too...

You have proof? Let's see it. And not some picture of a lable too
small to read.

You better pull yer head out. Nestle's is one of the bad guys. Ppl
are fighting them, tooth and nail, all around the planet. Got water?
If not, it's probably cuz you didn't pay Nestle's enough for it.
That, or they jes stole it from you.

nb

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
On 2015-03-15, Terry Coombs wrote:

trader_4 wrote:

Sure, anecdotal report of one pig farmer, there you go..... What
powerful evidence.

I notice you completely gloss over the fact GMO foods are essentially
banned in most of Europe. It's the reason Monsanto withdrew its FDA
application for GMO wheat. Zat powerful enough?


It's simply not true. GMOs, like everything else in socialist Europe
are heavily regulated and approved one at a time. There are many GMOs
approved in the EU. Food containing GMO is legal, as long as it's
marked. There is no "ban" in most of Europe.
The fact that socialists and hippies are screwing around with it,
trying to delay it, make it case by case, isn't very compelling
evidence
as to it's safety. And if it's unsafe, why is it being used in the
EU at all?

Follow the money . 'Nuff said .

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Heres my belief........

Nestle beneful knows there dog food is hazardous but is attempting to cover it up.....

GM knew cobalt ignition switches were hazardous but covered it up.

lumber liquidators knew some of their products were hazardous but tried to cover it up.

both car makers and takata knew the airbags were hazardous but covered it up.

..toyota knew their vehicles had runaway acceleration troubles but covered it up.

all of these were finally made public after people died and manufacturers LIED

when companies are only concered with the bottom line and reputation means nothing. it makes covering it up or trying to the best fiancial decision.

add some laws, put a couple CEOs in prison, fiancially devastate some companies and products will be safer for everyone.

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:16:43 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
Heres my belief........

Nestle beneful knows there dog food is hazardous but is attempting to cover it up.....

GM knew cobalt ignition switches were hazardous but covered it up.

lumber liquidators knew some of their products were hazardous but tried to cover it up.

both car makers and takata knew the airbags were hazardous but covered it up.

.toyota knew their vehicles had runaway acceleration troubles but covered it up.

all of these were finally made public after people died and manufacturers LIED

when companies are only concered with the bottom line and reputation means nothing. it makes covering it up or trying to the best fiancial decision.


The only flaw in that argument is that reputation means everything to
the bottom line. Destroying the Purina consumer brand would be about as
dumb a thing as one could do. Even if they only cared about the bottom line,
the smartest thing they could do would be to quickly correct whatever could
be causing the problem. If they changed the formulation to add something,
just go back to the previous one. If they changed suppliers, go back to
the previous ones, etc. On the other hand, if they really don't know
and it's something that's entered via the long list of things that goes
into their product, then you can't fix it until you find it.

I'd also note that the FDA has known of this, been tracking it for
quite some time too. If it's some poison that's easy to indentify,
kind of odd the FDA apparently can't figure it out either.


add some laws, put a couple CEOs in prison, fiancially devastate some companies and products will be safer for everyone.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to find out what's actually
wrong, first?

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

Heres my belief........


flawed

Nestle beneful knows there dog food is hazardous but is attempting to cover it up.....

Tom gave a link. Did you look?

Claim: Purina's Beneful brand dog food is causing dogs to become ill
and die.

UNPROVEN

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/beneful.asp

I do agree we need more prisons and dungeons. Feed 'em swill, and
water board them.
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Somtimes you just have a bad day at the dungeon

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:16:43 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
Heres my belief........

Nestle beneful knows there dog food is hazardous but is attempting to cover it up.....

GM knew cobalt ignition switches were hazardous but covered it up.

lumber liquidators knew some of their products were hazardous but tried to cover it up.

both car makers and takata knew the airbags were hazardous but covered it up.

.toyota knew their vehicles had runaway acceleration troubles but covered it up.

all of these were finally made public after people died and manufacturers LIED

when companies are only concered with the bottom line and reputation means nothing. it makes covering it up or trying to the best fiancial decision.


The only flaw in that argument is that reputation means everything to
the bottom line. Destroying the Purina consumer brand would be about as
dumb a thing as one could do. Even if they only cared about the bottom line,
the smartest thing they could do would be to quickly correct whatever could
be causing the problem. If they changed the formulation to add something,
just go back to the previous one. If they changed suppliers, go back to
the previous ones, etc. On the other hand, if they really don't know
and it's something that's entered via the long list of things that goes
into their product, then you can't fix it until you find it.

I'd also note that the FDA has known of this, been tracking it for
quite some time too. If it's some poison that's easy to indentify,
kind of odd the FDA apparently can't figure it out either.


add some laws, put a couple CEOs in prison, fiancially devastate some companies and products will be safer for everyone.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to find out what's actually
wrong, first?

companies find defects, and rather than come clean and fix the problem they decide it cheaper to cover them up.

takata knew for years its airbags were killing people, and even once the info became public, they fought a general recall to save a buck.....

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:51:10 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

Don't you think it would be a good idea to find out what's actually
wrong, first?

companies find defects, and rather than come clean and fix the problem they decide it cheaper to cover them up.

That sounds remarkably like the government.

Make it stop !!

On 03/14/2015 07:04 PM, bob haller wrote:
I have fed my dogs beneful forever, perhaps 20 years.

anyhow my dogs were acting wierd, throwng up a lot and lethargic.

saw on the network news that beneful is killing dogs. So I changed food, we had a bunch of sample packages.

within 2 days dogs were back to normal.

Were you feeding them Beneful and nothing else? That could have been the
problem. Dogs should have a variety of foods.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"That's the problem with believing in a supernatural being. Trying to
determine what he wants." [Councellor Troi, ST:TNG]

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:51:16 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:42:26 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 2:16:43 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
Heres my belief........

Nestle beneful knows there dog food is hazardous but is attempting to cover it up.....

GM knew cobalt ignition switches were hazardous but covered it up.

lumber liquidators knew some of their products were hazardous but tried to cover it up.

both car makers and takata knew the airbags were hazardous but covered it up.

.toyota knew their vehicles had runaway acceleration troubles but covered it up.

all of these were finally made public after people died and manufacturers LIED

when companies are only concered with the bottom line and reputation means nothing. it makes covering it up or trying to the best fiancial decision.


The only flaw in that argument is that reputation means everything to
the bottom line. Destroying the Purina consumer brand would be about as
dumb a thing as one could do. Even if they only cared about the bottom line,
the smartest thing they could do would be to quickly correct whatever could
be causing the problem. If they changed the formulation to add something,
just go back to the previous one. If they changed suppliers, go back to
the previous ones, etc. On the other hand, if they really don't know
and it's something that's entered via the long list of things that goes
into their product, then you can't fix it until you find it.

I'd also note that the FDA has known of this, been tracking it for
quite some time too. If it's some poison that's easy to indentify,
kind of odd the FDA apparently can't figure it out either.


add some laws, put a couple CEOs in prison, fiancially devastate some companies and products will be safer for everyone.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to find out what's actually
wrong, first?

companies find defects, and rather than come clean and fix the problem they decide it cheaper to cover them up.


That's certainly true in some cases. In some cases the "fix" could involve
hundreds of millions, for example recalling cars. In that case, I can
see motive to try to avoid a recall. But even that doesn't explain what
happened at GM, for example. They knew they had some kind of problem with
the ignition switches moving too easily to the off position. Your profit
explanation is a reasonable explanation of why they didn't do a recall
earlier. But it doesn't explain why they kept using the same switch for
many more years. The only thing that had to be done was have a pin that
was 1/8" longer in the switch. Certainly a profit motive doesn't explain
their failure to at least fix it moving forward.

The problem with the Beneful thing is that I don't see reason to believe
that a fix would cost them anything. The product was OK for a long time.
Just go back to making it like they used to make it. And if they know
what the problem is, but are covering it up, it has the liklihood of
severely impacting the whole company as dogs continue to die, get sick etc.
It just doesn't make sense to me that they know what it is, but won't fix it
and are going to continue to make a deadly product. It's possible, but
it doesn't seem too likely. It seems more likely that they can't figure
out what it is either. The FDA knows about it, so far apparently they
either haven't looked into it or if they have, they don't know what's
causing it either.



takata knew for years its airbags were killing people, and even once the info became public, they fought a general recall to save a buck.....

So did the govt and they let it go on. The problem with Takata may be
similar to the problem with Beneful. My understanding is that to this
day no one knows what the exact cause of the problem is. They thought
it was excess humidity on the factory floor, then something else, etc.
And one aspect of that whole scenario that made no sense to me was
the auto companies were recalling cars based on where they were registered
on the theory that they were only likely to misfire and cause injury in
states that were hot and humid. And again, the govt is OK with that.
So, the same car in FL gets recalled, if it's in MD, it does not.

I see a couple Senators are getting involved in the Beneful thing now.
Maybe they can at least get some more attention on it at the FDA.

In our case I have a just opened 30 pound bag that appears to make our 5 dogs ill.

yet beneful refuses to test it for toxins,

toxicity could come from something in the bags material, some idiot poisoning in the supply chain etc.

they should get as many samples as possible, compare production locations, ship and manufacturer dates to see where the source might be from.

instead they refuse to do anything but a visual inspection...

remember the tylenol scare. idiots were adding poision to the bottles. perhaps beneful doesnt want more expensive packaging?

our dogs always had beneful, but have a varied tasty food.

liver, fresh boneless chicken breasts etc

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
In our case I have a just opened 30 pound bag that appears to make our 5 dogs ill.

yet beneful refuses to test it for toxins,

toxicity could come from something in the bags material, some idiot poisoning in the supply chain etc.

they should get as many samples as possible, compare production locations, ship and manufacturer dates to see where the source might be from.

instead they refuse to do anything but a visual inspection...


That's what they said they would do with your product. Do you
know that they haven't already tested hundreds or thousands of samples of
their product that was returned where dogs died, were hospitalized, etc?
That is samples that should be even more probative?
This has been going on for quite some time, no? If you were the
manufacturer, would you spend your time lab testing one more sample
from a case with mild symptoms or
would you be trying to figure out other strategies to pursue with
what you already have? If I tested a lot of product already, I'm
not sure I'd send out more to do the same tests that show nothing.
I'd be looking at what they haven't tested for in what they have
from cases where dogs died, autopsies had been done, etc. In other
workds, I'd be looking more closely at samples from severe cases.
And I'd be looking at anything that changed in their formula, sourcing,
etc that could account for it. I agree the visual inspection makes no sense.


remember the tylenol scare. idiots were adding poision to the bottles. perhaps beneful doesnt want more expensive packaging?

Anything is possible, but this looks more like a possible contamination
of something in one of the supply streams. That's been the experience
so far with similar problems. If it was a common poison, done intentionally,
seems likely they would have found it by now. And it's going on all over
the country, isn't it? Seems unlikely it's someone tampering with the product.
You would certainly think they've looked at whether it's product from one
factory, one distribution center, etc. They almost certainly have and
can't pin it down. The alternative that you suspect is that they know,
just want to deny it and not even correct whatever it takes to fix it.
That seems unlikely to me, but anything is possible.