The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.

wrote:

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply chaos,

You wouldnt know what real food supply chaos was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food crops,

Pig ignorant lie.

speculators abroad

Corse there are never any of those inside the country, eh ?

have taken their bales of dollarpesos and bought out our wheat
supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a higher price.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise livestock instead of rice,

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn,
beans, peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense to plant marijuana, stupid.

I recommend others do the same this season in their backyards if they have them.

I recommend you top yourself.

I don't think

You did manage to get that bit right, likely by accident.

there will be acute food shortages this year in the
USA, but grocery prices are high and getting higher.

Thats what inflation produces, stupid.

It will also save the fossile fuel

No such animal.

to get it from the farm to your table.

In spades if you had a clue and grew marijuana, stupid.

I would raise meat but codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

Wota pathetic wimp.

wrote:
The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.

Republicans are generally opposed to ethanol and government subsidies.
Still, the clamor from the easily-duped has forced much attention to the
subject.

It sorta works in the U.S. inasmuch as we grow twice as much food as we can
eat. However, diverting corn cobs to the Lexus does diminish our exports.

The U.S. does not import food staples.

U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club is
rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper than
dirt - take as much as you want.

U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club is
rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper
than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice as
usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices are
very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the year.

COngrats!!

Hope you enjoy the process and your yield is great!

http://www.cheapogroovo.com

P.S.

Rod Speed appears to be a government provocateur


In article 688ce650-7a91-45bc-aa1f-171713062727
@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says...
The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.

Frank wrote:
U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club is
rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper
than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice as
usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices are
very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the year.


What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives
here. How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food
but we bought it to make ethanol?

wrote:

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.


The second paragraph in any article about ethanol addresses the water
needed for processing. I
live where water has been an issue for a long time. What is truly scary
is that everyone and their
cousin is howling about the price of oil/gas, and yet not a word about
conserving. Not a word
about modernizing transport systems to haul trucks across the country by
rail rather than air or
interstate.

Of course, more expensive fuel and food might make some cut back and
help change the problem
with so many children becoming ill from obesity. Gardening is one of
the most enjoyable and healthy
activities I know of, but when one depends on it for food it might not
be as relaxing. Don't bother with
Japanese beetle traps - just pluck them off and kill 'em.

On Apr 24, 12:34*am, wrote:
The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not
an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in
South America.

George wrote
Frank wrote

U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary
long-grain, white rice is cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at
the local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other
type of rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were
empty of rice as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though,
LOL. Rice prices are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has
already triple for the year.

What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn, grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs
going without planning where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives here. How about the people
in poor countries who depend on rice for food but we bought it to make ethanol?

That isnt what is happening with rice.

Cheapo Groovo wrote:

COngrats!!

Hope you enjoy the process and your yield is great!

http://www.xxxxxxx.com

P.S.

Rod Speed appears to be a government provocateur

You wouldnt know what a real government provocateur was if one bit you on your lard arse, spammer.


wrote

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing
it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile
fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but
codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

Seerialmom wrote:
On Apr 24, 12:34 am, wrote:
The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing
it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile
fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but
codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not an accepted
food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in South America.

Rats are raised in huge numbers in New York apartments.

On Apr 24, 10:33*am, Seerialmom wrote:
On Apr 24, 12:34*am, wrote:

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not
an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in
South America.

I think that's an excellent idea, I used to hunt them and eat them as
a boy. I don't want to get a neighborhood reputation as the easter
bunny killer, though...any other protien ideas? Thanks to cheapogroovo
for the encouragement, maybe next year I will grow barley and brew
some beer...-Jitney

wrote:
The per usual republicrat farm socialism....

I think you meant "The per usual GoreCrat Greenie enviro-socialism.

Growing crops-for-fuel is the mantra of the man-made global warming,
petroleum is evil crowd.

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Norminn wrote:
wrote:

The second paragraph in any article about ethanol addresses the water
needed for processing. I
live where water has been an issue for a long time. What is truly scary
is that everyone and their
cousin is howling about the price of oil/gas, and yet not a word about
conserving. Not a word
about modernizing transport systems to haul trucks across the country by
rail rather than air or
interstate.
Of course, more expensive fuel and food might make some cut back and
help change the problem
with so many children becoming ill from obesity. Gardening is one of
the most enjoyable and healthy
activities I know of, but when one depends on it for food it might not
be as relaxing. Don't bother with
Japanese beetle traps - just pluck them off and kill 'em.

Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the
fuel you get out is about equal to the energy you put in. Big
agribusiness is the only one that prospers. Agribusiness with their
contribution paid off political stooges started ****ing in the soup
years ago pushing ethanol into gasoline for environmental/pollution
reasons. Never mind that the oil companies said they could comply
without the oxygenate mandate.

Don't blame OPEC or big oil. We've peaked on recoverable oil reserves
and with the economic booms in China and India high fuel prices are here
to stay.

In article ,
Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:


Don't blame OPEC or big oil. We've peaked on recoverable oil reserves
and with the economic booms in China and India high fuel prices are here
to stay.

OPEC finally got some sense and let the embargo come to them instead
of ****ing every one off by declaring one. They sit there, watch the
demand increase (see China and India among others) until it reaches and
then surpasses their steady supply and *TAh DAH* the functional
equivalent of the embargoes. All the while being able to blame the users
for all the things they are so it isn't OPEC's fault.

In ,
Rod Speed spewed forth:
Seerialmom wrote:
On Apr 24, 12:34 am, wrote:
The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing
it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile
fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but
codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's
not an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for
meat in South America.

Rats are raised in huge numbers in New York apartments.

As are assholes down under.

"George" wrote in message
. ..
Frank wrote:
U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
is
rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper
than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
as
usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices are
very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the year.


What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives
here. How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food
but we bought it to make ethanol?

Total BS! Rice is not used to make ethanol in the US and rice land is not
used for growing corn. Rice like most other commodities has been in short
supply mostly due to emergence of China and India as wealthy world powers
while the US dollar declines in value affecting everything, world wide,
especially energy. To blame ethanol for the worlds problems is absurd.
Ethanol is a fraction of the problem and mainly affects corn and related
things like raising pork and beef. In no way does in account for rice, fish,
copper, aluminum and a thousand other things that have seen runaway prices.

BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?

clipped

Total BS! Rice is not used to make ethanol in the US and rice land is not
used for growing corn. Rice like most other commodities has been in short
supply mostly due to emergence of China and India as wealthy world powers
while the US dollar declines in value affecting everything, world wide,
especially energy. To blame ethanol for the worlds problems is absurd.
Ethanol is a fraction of the problem and mainly affects corn and related
things like raising pork and beef. In no way does in account for rice, fish,
copper, aluminum and a thousand other things that have seen runaway prices.

BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?




Of course rice and corn aren't the same. But with the use of corn for
fuel, pressure is on both supplies
and prices. Not to mention WATER, which is already a problem in many
areas of the US........Nevada,
Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida......

I have enough today of everything, but I am truly worried for my kids
and grandkids. Asia is increasing
in both population and prosperity, which will place more and more
pressure on all comodities. The
once great US of A is in hock up to it's eyeballs, jobs are leaving, and
nobody will be able to afford to
keep us boomers in the manner to which we have become accustomed )

We've been talking about oil prices for thirty years.....admiring our
freedom from paying the high prices
that Europeans have paid for a long time. Scrap the school buses, pack
a sandwich and send junior off
to a decent school that can hire enough cops to keep the peace and let
teachers teach. We need some
brainy kids to get through college, take on intellectually challenging
problems and take care of us when
we are old. We're going to live a long, long time )

Bob Eld wrote
George wrote
Frank wrote

U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat.
Sam's Club is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain,
white rice is cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either
at the local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or
other type of rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves
were empty of rice as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans
though, LOL. Rice prices are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it
has already triple for the year.

What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food
(corn, grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going
without planning where that extra food will come from. At least
we have alternatives here. How about the people in poor countries
who depend on rice for food but we bought it to make ethanol?

Total BS!

Correct, but you add your own bull**** too.

Rice is not used to make ethanol in the US and rice land is not used for growing corn.

Correct.

Rice like most other commodities has been in short supply mostly
due to emergence of China and India as wealthy world powers

Wrong.

while the US dollar declines in value affecting everything, world wide, especially energy.

Wrong again.

To blame ethanol for the worlds problems is absurd.

Correct. In spades with the availability of rice.

Ethanol is a fraction of the problem and mainly affects
corn and related things like raising pork and beef. In no
way does in account for rice, fish, copper, aluminum and
a thousand other things that have seen runaway prices.

There havent been any runaway prices of anything, not even crude oil.

BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?

Bit hard when I dont have a SUV.

In article ,
says...

"George" wrote in message
. ..
Frank wrote:
U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
is
rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper
than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
as
usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices are
very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the year.


What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives
here. How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food
but we bought it to make ethanol?

Total BS! Rice is not used to make ethanol in the US and rice land is not
used for growing corn. Rice like most other commodities has been in short
supply mostly due to emergence of China and India as wealthy world powers
while the US dollar declines in value affecting everything, world wide,
especially energy. To blame ethanol for the worlds problems is absurd.
Ethanol is a fraction of the problem and mainly affects corn and related
things like raising pork and beef. In no way does in account for rice, fish,
copper, aluminum and a thousand other things that have seen runaway prices.

BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?

No SUV, but every time I fill up. ;-) ...or really :-(


--
Keith

Frank wrote:
U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's
Club is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice
is cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at
the local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other
type of rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were
empty of rice as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though,
LOL. Rice prices are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has
already triple for the year.

Ah, well. Like everything else, there's no shortage of rice; there's only a
shortage of CHEAP rice.

Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the fuel
you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.

How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology
and money, couldn't? Looks like sugar cane is much more efficient than corn.
Brazilian started the ethanol program since the start of the oil crisis
during the 1970s while we're only getting started now when oil is hitting
$100 per barrel. I wouldn't be surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by
year end.

On Apr 24, 10:54*am, wrote:
On Apr 24, 10:33*am, Seerialmom wrote:





On Apr 24, 12:34*am, wrote:

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not
an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in
South America.

I think that's an excellent idea, I used to hunt them and eat them as
a boy. I don't want to get a neighborhood reputation as the easter
bunny killer, though...any other protien ideas? Thanks to cheapogroovo
for the encouragement, maybe next year I will grow barley and brew
some beer...-Jitney- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How about snakes?

Frank wrote:
Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the fuel
you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.


How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology
and money, couldn't? Looks like sugar cane is much more efficient than corn.
Brazilian started the ethanol program since the start of the oil crisis
during the 1970s while we're only getting started now when oil is hitting
$100 per barrel. I wouldn't be surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by
year end.


Sugar cane is, in fact, a much better source of ethanol than corn.

nate


--
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Frank wrote:
Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the
fuel you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.

How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our
technology and money, couldn't?

They haven't. The amount of petroleum for cars has been supplemented, but
Brazil still uses large amounts of petroleum for other products. In fact
Brazil just found one of the largest oil reserves in the hemisphere and will
be developing it. Last I heard, they expect to be producing a couple of
million barrels per day.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...atin_ame rica
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4563896.stm

Looks like sugar cane is much more
efficient than corn.

That's why they (Brazilian farmers) are now turning huge tracts of Amazonian
rain forest (jungle) into sugar cane production in order to sustain the
ethanol production program. Brazil, of course, denies any impact on the
jungle.

Brazilian started the ethanol program since the
start of the oil crisis during the 1970s while we're only getting
started now when oil is hitting $100 per barrel. I wouldn't be
surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by year end.

The problem is the amount of farmable land for food or fuel production,
which includes water for irrigation. Right now it is a finite pie..... you
take a slice for fuel crops and that reduces the slices available for food
crops.

--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

In article , h wrote:

"George" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices
are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the
year.
What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives here.
How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food but we
bought it to make ethanol?

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains, corn,
and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
stuff fed to anything but livestock.

The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
decline of the low carb craze.

- Don Klipstein )

In article , Frank wrote:
Norminn wrote:
wrote:

The second paragraph in any article about ethanol addresses the water
needed for processing. I
live where water has been an issue for a long time. What is truly scary
is that everyone and their
cousin is howling about the price of oil/gas, and yet not a word about
conserving. Not a word
about modernizing transport systems to haul trucks across the country by
rail rather than air or
interstate.
Of course, more expensive fuel and food might make some cut back and
help change the problem
with so many children becoming ill from obesity. Gardening is one of
the most enjoyable and healthy
activities I know of, but when one depends on it for food it might not
be as relaxing. Don't bother with
Japanese beetle traps - just pluck them off and kill 'em.

Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the
fuel you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.

Although you raise other valid points, the lack of energy gain is now
mainly rumor that keeps getting passed on rather than truth. It was
supported by one study since debunked for assuming that all corn
production requires irrigation.

- Don Klipstein )

aspasia wrote:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Klipstein) wrote:


In article , h wrote:

"George" wrote in message
om...

Frank wrote:

U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.

That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices
are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the
year.

What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives here.
How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food but we
bought it to make ethanol?

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains, corn,
and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
stuff fed to anything but livestock.

The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
decline of the low carb craze.

- Don Klipstein )


Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
standard food, like wheat bread in the States.

Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the state
of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred the
cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally, there
are so many crops that would be far better, with less downside, for
fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It
grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually nothing to produce.
Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the
technology.)

These Administration hot flashes, like Bush's notorious "hydrogen"
speech, are devoid of science or common sense. His handlers have
stuff written for him, and he reads it -- has gotten real good
at rasslin' that teleprompter! Nobody bothered to verify the
easily available science showing the wildly incomplete state of
hydrogen fuel technology.

Tfui!

Aspasia




Bravo.

I was worried when you referred to the Congress as whores, but I took a
look at the dictionary at

http://www.merriam-webster.com:

and found...
Who a venal or unscrupulous person

Venal: capable of being bought or obtained for money or other valuable
consideration

Seems clear to me, the Congress is composed of whores.

clipped


These Administration hot flashes, like Bush's notorious "hydrogen"
speech, are devoid of science or common sense. His handlers have
stuff written for him, and he reads it -- has gotten real good
at rasslin' that teleprompter! Nobody bothered to verify the
easily available science showing the wildly incomplete state of
hydrogen fuel technology.

Tfui!

Aspasia


Anyone who expected more from GWB is an idiot, and the same idiots
are voting again.

clipped


Bravo.

I was worried when you referred to the Congress as whores, but I took
a look at the dictionary at

http://www.merriam-webster.com:

and found...
Who a venal or unscrupulous person

Venal: capable of being bought or obtained for money or other valuable
consideration

Seems clear to me, the Congress is composed of whores.

And the voters who elect them are different how? Ron has airports named
for him, and
some folks want his face on Mt. Rushmore. Only thing he ever did for me
was take
away great benefits I had with my employer. Of course, the dumb slobs
who can't work
for more than a week without going off on workers comp disability are
killing industry.
Or have killed it. We could have great, universal health coverage for
all but too many
folks want prozac and a heart transplant when they are 85.

Mom and dad smoke a little weed, party on the weekend and wonder why
junior can't
function without a TV in front of his face. The answer: put junior on a
drug. I keep thinking
about the 18 y/o girl in FL who died after breast implant surgery.
Hell, she wasn't even
fully grown. Her friends placed memorial gifts in her parking place at
her school. There
is something so gross about the whole idea. Wonder if she paid with her
Visa card?

wrote:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:34:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
my 'burb won't allow it.



If all the obese Americans had liposuction, the fat sucked out of
their fat asses could be used to power all the vehicles in America for
the next decade or longer. Fat is pure energy meant to be burned, and
that does not mean burning fat at the gym.


No, that is the expensive route. Just put them on a dang treadmill.
Forget solar. Just wire up
the treadmill.

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But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn,
and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
stuff fed to anything but livestock.


The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
decline of the low carb craze.



Wow. Eating a healthy diet is now a "craze"? You are aware that the hog
fattening diet is exactly the same as the USDA's food pyramid except for one
more serving of grain, right? Yeah, eating grain is good for you. Right.
That's why so many Americans are orca fat.


I've never paid attention to diet crazes, so I'm not conversant in the
"low carb" fad. All I know is that
carbs have a little more than half the calories, per gram, that fats.
If I want a plate full of food, then my
reasoning is carbs are better than fat. Of course, plenty of veggies.
I hear about people who have tried
every diet craze and still "can't" lose weight. I call them "tasters".
Pure bunk. They must think their
energy stores are some kind of nuclear reactor that keeps turning
without burning up the fuel. When
I decided to lose weight, I quit eating butter and gravy. Never loaded
up on the stuff, but I lost 40
pounds without doing anything else. The fat people I know keep a bag of
Oreo's and a liter of pop
next to their chairs at all times.

aspasia wrote:

Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
standard food, like wheat bread in the States.

There has never been a famine in a democracy.


Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the state
of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred the
cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally, there
are so many crops that would be far better, with less downside, for
fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It
grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually nothing to produce.
Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the
technology.)

Many do not check with reputable scientists.

Current technology does not favor "grass" type crops, including hemp,
'switch-grass' and others. The problem is the enormous cost of transporting
the raw materials to the processing plant. Corn is easy: high density
material in little kernals. Note they don't try to make ethanol out of the
corn STALKS.

The sugar cane conversion in Brazil works because the cane stalks are waste
from the sugar extraction; the raw material is already concentrated in one
place.

The basic problem is not ethanol, the problem is enviornmentalism. Consider:
most of our electric power and all of our transportation energy derives from
oil and gas. Yet the air is cleaner today than it's ever been - even cleaner
than before electricity (when people burned wood for heating). But we've got
this aversion to oil exploration, production, and refining.

Go figure.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
How come we can't convince the tree hugers to go jump off a cliff, so
we can build some more refineries, and drill the oil that's on US
soil?

Maybe because we haven't tried? They're easy to convince, but not by facts.
Read "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer. A small book, but one that cannot
be read quickly. After each sentence, you'll put the book down, stroke your
chin, and go "Hmmm."

"People join mass movements because so doing adds meaning to their otherwise
meaningless lives."

"A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always fail without a
devil. A movement must have someone to hate."

"People mind their own business when it is worth minding. When it is not,
they mind other peoples business."

"Membership in mass movements is interchangeable. People join a movement and
only then adopt the goals of the movement."

"People join mass movements to escape individual responsibility. They do
this by subsuming their will to that of the group."

On Apr 24, 9:05*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
How come we can't convince the tree hugers to go jump off a cliff, so we can
build some more refineries, and drill the oil that's on US soil?

--
Tree hugger in today's paper had a column admitting ethanol failure.
But, in typical liberal fashion, said they meant well and now should
muck up something else ;(

HeyBub wrote:
aspasia wrote:
Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
standard food, like wheat bread in the States.

There has never been a famine in a democracy.

Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the state
of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred the
cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally, there
are so many crops that would be far better, with less downside, for
fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It
grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually nothing to produce.
Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the
technology.)

Many do not check with reputable scientists.

Current technology does not favor "grass" type crops, including hemp,
'switch-grass' and others. The problem is the enormous cost of transporting
the raw materials to the processing plant. Corn is easy: high density
material in little kernals. Note they don't try to make ethanol out of the
corn STALKS.

The sugar cane conversion in Brazil works because the cane stalks are waste
from the sugar extraction; the raw material is already concentrated in one
place.

The basic problem is not ethanol, the problem is enviornmentalism. Consider:
most of our electric power and all of our transportation energy derives from
oil and gas. Yet the air is cleaner today than it's ever been - even cleaner
than before electricity (when people burned wood for heating). But we've got
this aversion to oil exploration, production, and refining.

Go figure.



Don't underestimate the NIMBYs. Some private investors wanted to build a
modest wind farm locally. My buddies firm did the design work so I am
familiar with the details. Unlike ethanol and other schemes the company
was not a welfare queen and didn't ask the government to pick everyone's
pocket to fund their idea. The site is in a rural area and the nearest
development was 7 miles away. All of the initial planning was approved
and when the people in the development found out about it they cried "it
will destroy our view of the sunset". Many influential people live there
so they quickly changed zoning requirements etc to block construction.
The interesting part is that if you go through there all you see are
massive "houses" with 5 ton fluffed up trucks in the driveways.

In article ,
Norminn wrote:


And the voters who elect them are different how? Ron has airports named
for him, and
some folks want his face on Mt. Rushmore. Only thing he ever did for me
was take
away great benefits I had with my employer.
I give. How is RR or the feds in general involved in your benefits.
Actually you probably also owe RR for lower taxes. After all the
indexing of tax brackets to inflation (and thus getting rid of "bracket
creep", was probably the REAL major tax contribution of the Reagan
Admin.

Of

On Apr 24, 2:57*pm, h wrote:

But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains, corn,
and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
stuff fed to anything but livestock.

Of course. What ivory tower do you live in? Carbohydrates are the
staple
food of millions of Americans.

Mmmm. Nice chewy, crusty bread. With real butter.

Cindy Hamilton

On Apr 25, 9:44*am, h wrote:
"Norminn" wrote in message

m...





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But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains,
corn,
and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine
that
stuff fed to anything but livestock.

The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
livestock. *Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
decline of the low carb craze.

Wow. Eating a healthy diet is now a "craze"? You are aware that the hog
fattening diet is exactly the same as the USDA's food pyramid except for
one more serving of grain, right? Yeah, eating grain is good for you.
Right. That's why so many Americans are orca fat.
I've never paid attention to diet crazes, so I'm not conversant in the
"low carb" fad. *All I know is that
carbs have a little more than half the calories, per gram, that fats. *If
I want a plate full of food, then my
reasoning is carbs are better than fat. *Of course, plenty of veggies. *I
hear about people who have tried
every diet craze and still "can't" lose weight. *I call them "tasters"..
Pure bunk. *They must think their
energy stores are some kind of nuclear reactor that keeps turning without
burning up the fuel. *When
I decided to lose weight, I quit eating butter and gravy. *Never loaded up
on the stuff, but I lost 40
pounds without doing anything else. *The fat people I know keep a bag of
Oreo's and a liter of pop
next to their chairs at all times.

Carbs are sugar, and that's absolutely terrible for most people. Unless you
are very active, you will not use up all the carbs and then store the excess
as fat. If you eat predominately protein and fat you become a fat burning
machine instead of a sugar burning machine, which is better for your body.
Also, you don't experience the highs and lows of the sugar rush. The only
carbs I eat are veggies and fruit, and I only eat the lower-carb ones. And
the idea of drinking any beverage with sugar in it just amazes me. I can't
quite comprehend how anyone can eat pre-packaged, processed food. How hard
is it to make a salad and broil some chicken, meat or fish?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wish I could find soda with "sugar" in it; very few do
anymore...instead it's the HFCS (another dead horse that's been beaten
into the ground) which is worse. I agree that eating processed foods
(prepackaged frozen "Healthy Choice" for example) is worse for you
than eating an 8 oz steak and baked potato.

In misc.consumers.frugal-living Seerialmom wrote:

I wish I could find soda with "sugar" in it; very few do
anymore...instead it's the HFCS (another dead horse that's been beaten

Coca-Cola that is "Kosher for Passover" will have cane sugar
and no corn syrup of any kind. They put a different color cap
on it. Should be available right now, if you hurry.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.