I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)

HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)

Hi,
In this city chemical week killer wass banned few years ago.
We use DW liquid+salt+vinegar to kill weeds and use arm
strong power to physically remove weeds in our small city lot.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)

Hi,
In this city chemical week killer wass banned few years ago.
We use DW liquid+salt+vinegar to kill weeds and use arm
strong power to physically remove weeds in our small city lot.


Bu . . bu . . but:

DW liquid+salt+vinegar is a chemical weed killer

Pico Rico wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)

Hi,
In this city chemical week killer wass banned few years ago.
We use DW liquid+salt+vinegar to kill weeds and use arm
strong power to physically remove weeds in our small city lot.


Bu . . bu . . but:

DW liquid+salt+vinegar is a chemical weed killer


Hi,
You're right but it won't make our dog or neighborhood small
children sick or who knows even die.

I have heard of that, but wonder if the manufacturer wouldn't add something like that to make the product more effective (and charge more $$).

HomeGuy" "Home wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with
water according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting"
the leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most
of it beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy
water, or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and
water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of
water-soluble weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing
agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)

You could try adding a bit of liquid soap to the spray as you mix it and see if
it works better.

On 07/13/2014 9:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:
....

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?
....

Indeed they do...

http://extension.psu.edu/pests/weeds/control/adjuvants-for-enhancing-herbicide-performance

--

On 07/13/2014 09:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)




No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's
pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.

A number of years ago garlic mustard took over and after a good rain,
those things came out with little effort and now that I've cleared the
yard , no more than three or four return each year.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 04:15:18 -0500, philo* wrote:




No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's
pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.

A number of years ago garlic mustard took over and after a good rain,
those things came out with little effort and now that I've cleared the
yard , no more than three or four return each year.

How big is your yard? How well do your neighbors keep theirs so seeds
don't fly to your yard? Sometimes you need more than just pulling the
weeds, though there are better methods than just chemicals.

"HomeGuy" "Home"@Guy.com wrote in message

I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Don't pre-spray, just add a small amount of surfacant to the weed killer.
I can't tell you how much bu tI add about a cap full or two of liquid dish
detergent to my 35 gallon spray tank with either 2,4-D or Rodeo/Roundup.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

"philo " wrote in message

On 07/13/2014 09:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with
water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting"
the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of
it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy
water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of
water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)




No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's
pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.

Good luck doing that along a half mile of fence.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On 7/13/2014 11:11 PM, Pico Rico wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
Hi,
In this city chemical week killer wass banned few years ago.
We use DW liquid+salt+vinegar to kill weeds and use arm
strong power to physically remove weeds in our small city lot.


Bu . . bu . . but:

DW liquid+salt+vinegar is a chemical weed killer


For sure, it's acidic and saline, not to mention
destroys surface tension. What a chemical mix.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 7/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Pico Rico wrote:
Bu . . bu . . but:

DW liquid+salt+vinegar is a chemical weed killer


Hi,
You're right but it won't make our dog or neighborhood small
children sick or who knows even die.

I wouldn't be sure.... depends how long the exposure.
Sodium causes heart problems, and vinegar can upset
the pH balance.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 7/14/2014 12:46 AM, Bob F wrote:
HomeGuy" "Home wrote:
Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of
water-soluble weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing
agent is used?

You could try adding a bit of liquid soap to the spray as you mix it and see if
it works better.


Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,
then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.
Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test
works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 7/14/2014 6:33 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"philo " wrote in message

No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's
pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.

Good luck doing that along a half mile of fence.

My landlord is concerned about trim weeds,
mow the lawn. A couple year ago, I sprayed
Roundup all around my trailer, right near
the skirting. Left a dead zone. Which is OK
with me, at least it's not weeds and doesn't
cost me money when the landlord decides to
send his guy out to trim my weeds. Far as I
know, no children or animals were killed.
Except the little boy who... no, probably not
the cause.....


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 7/13/2014 10:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)


I would assume the mix is formulated for maximum effectiveness and works
best when directions are followed.

I had a neighbor that had one of these jobs at DuPont and that is all he
did.

On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:58:12 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/13/2014 10:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:

I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water

according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.



I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the

leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it

beads up on the leaves and runs off.



I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to

the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface

tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,

or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.



Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble

weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?



And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:



2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)

Quinclorac

Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)





I would assume the mix is formulated for maximum effectiveness and works

best when directions are followed.



I had a neighbor that had one of these jobs at DuPont and that is all he

did.

I have a lot of good info on this, but heh, why should I (or anyone else)
help out the jerk who constantly starts one off topic America bashing
thread after another? The more weeds he has in his lawn the better.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I have heard of that, but wonder if the manufacturer wouldn't add something like that to make the product more effective (and charge more $$).
For killing oily weeds like poison ivey, some people fing adding a
few spoonfulls of diesel fuel does the trick - it acts as a
surfactant, wetting the leaves more effectively

On 7/14/2014 8:07 AM, wrote:
For killing oily weeds like poison ivey, some people fing adding a
few spoonfulls of diesel fuel does the trick - it acts as a
surfactant, wetting the leaves more effectively


I can imagine diesel and ivy oil mixing, but
that doesn't make it a surfactant.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 7/14/14, 7:11 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/14/2014 12:46 AM, Bob F wrote:
HomeGuy" "Home wrote:
Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of
water-soluble weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing
agent is used?

You could try adding a bit of liquid soap to the spray as you mix it
and see if
it works better.


Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,
then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.
Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test
works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.

I looked into Roundup a few months ago so I could tell a neighbor the
shelf life. Monsanto says 6 months after mixing, and it's the
surfacant, not the glyphosate, that breaks down. She bought another
brand. The label mentions only glyphosate, but the way it foams leads
me to believe it, too, contains surfacant.

A drawback to spraying is that it doesn't take long for new weeds to
sprout. If you use a trimmer or pull, you can leave the kind of grasses
or other plants that will discourage weeds.

On 7/14/14, 8:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/14/2014 8:07 AM, wrote:
For killing oily weeds like poison ivey, some people fing adding a
few spoonfulls of diesel fuel does the trick - it acts as a
surfactant, wetting the leaves more effectively


I can imagine diesel and ivy oil mixing, but
that doesn't make it a surfactant.

In many cases, I've found clipping effective. The leaves won't hurt
you. It's the sap. Hedge shears give a nice reach and can be rinsed
afterward.

On 7/14/14, 8:45 AM, J Burns wrote:
On 7/14/14, 7:11 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/14/2014 12:46 AM, Bob F wrote:
HomeGuy" "Home wrote:
Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of
water-soluble weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing
agent is used?

You could try adding a bit of liquid soap to the spray as you mix it
and see if
it works better.


Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,
then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.
Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test
works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.

I looked into Roundup a few months ago so I could tell a neighbor the
shelf life. Monsanto says 6 months after mixing, and it's the
surfacant, not the glyphosate, that breaks down. She bought another
brand. The label mentions only glyphosate, but the way it foams leads
me to believe it, too, contains surfacant.

A drawback to spraying is that it doesn't take long for new weeds to
sprout. If you use a trimmer or pull, you can leave the kind of grasses
or other plants that will discourage weeds.

I meant "surfactant." Until now, I've always spelled it wrong!

trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:58:12 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/13/2014 10:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:

I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with
water

according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.



I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray
"wetting" the

leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most
of it

beads up on the leaves and runs off.



I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck"
to

the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface

tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy
water,

or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and
water.



Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of
water-soluble

weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is
used?



And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:



2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)

Quinclorac

Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)





I would assume the mix is formulated for maximum effectiveness and
works

best when directions are followed.



I had a neighbor that had one of these jobs at DuPont and that is
all he

did.

I have a lot of good info on this, but heh, why should I (or anyone
else) help out the jerk who constantly starts one off topic America
bashing thread after another? The more weeds he has in his lawn the
better.

FWIW and for anyone who cares , QUIT KILLING THE BEES ! Just about every one
of those compounds for killing weeds has an effect on our pollinators . Add
in the effects of neonic and other pesticides and you can end up with colony
collapse disorder , where the bees just wander off apparently and die .
It wouldn't take a bomb to bring this country down , just one crop sprayer
full of pesticides at the right time and right place could kill up to 3/4 of
the bees in this country , and without them we'd starve ...
--
Snag

Tony Hwang wrote:

Pico Rico wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
HomeGuy wrote:
I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with water
according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.

I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting" the
leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of it
beads up on the leaves and runs off.

I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to
the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface
tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy water,
or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.

Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of water-soluble
weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?

And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:

2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)
Quinclorac
Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)

Hi,
In this city chemical week killer wass banned few years ago.
We use DW liquid+salt+vinegar to kill weeds and use arm
strong power to physically remove weeds in our small city lot.


Bu . . bu . . but:

DW liquid+salt+vinegar is a chemical weed killer


Hi,
You're right but it won't make our dog or neighborhood small
children sick or who knows even die.

Eliminating dogs would be a big benefit actually...

Terry Coombs used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

FWIW and for anyone who cares , QUIT KILLING THE BEES !
Just about every one of those compounds for killing weeds has an
effect on our pollinators.

I think you're confusing herbicides and insecticides.

Herbicides have no designed or documented effects directly on insects as
far as I know, apart from reducing potential pollen sources from
flowering weeds.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
On 7/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Pico Rico wrote:
Bu . . bu . . but:

DW liquid+salt+vinegar is a chemical weed killer


Hi,
You're right but it won't make our dog or neighborhood small
children sick or who knows even die.

I wouldn't be sure.... depends how long the exposure.
Sodium causes heart problems, and vinegar can upset
the pH balance.


sodium doesn't go away either. It just stays in your soil forever. Not for
me.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

My landlord is concerned about trim weeds,
mow the lawn. A couple year ago, I sprayed
Roundup all around my trailer, right near
the skirting. Left a dead zone. Which is OK
with me, at least it's not weeds and doesn't
cost me money when the landlord decides to
send his guy out to trim my weeds. Far as I
know, no children or animals were killed.
Except the little boy who... no, probably not
the cause.....

Good thing about Roundup and other products that only contain glyphostate
and no other harmful chemicals is that it is almost harmless to people and
animals with normal usage. You could probably drink small quanties and
have almost no effect. Maybe like a good dose of Exlax. You would think
somthing that would kill almost all plant life would be very dangerous to
people, but turns out it is one of the safest chemical grass and weed
killers.

J Burns wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,
then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.
Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test
works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.

Why do you have your line-length set to 50-odd characters instead of,
say, 72?

Regarding roundup, the only place I use that is in my parkinglot at
$dayjob and on the road in front of my house (in the cracks around the
curbs) or on my driveway. There is no other place where spraying
roundup in my yard wouldn't kill either grass or something that my SO
would kill me for.

I looked into Roundup a few months ago so I could tell a neighbor
the shelf life. Monsanto says 6 months after mixing, and it's the
surfacant, not the glyphosate, that breaks down.

I buy Roundup in premixed 5-liter hand-pump sprayer:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41PD3g7sAdL.jpg

When it's all used up, I clean it with hot water, use some lacquer
thinner to wipe away the painted-on label, and use it as a sprayer for
Ortho weed-b-gon.

The Roundup I buy in that 5-liter ready-to-use sprayer contains:

- glyphosate (present as isopropylamine salt)

preservatives
- 5-chloro-2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one
- 2-methyl-4-isothiazolin-3-one

Nothing else is listed. No other chemicals, no surfactants.

Could those "preservatives" function as surfactants?

According to this:

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles...osate-ext.html

==================
Glyphosate is practically non-toxic to fish. However, Roundup was more
toxic to fish than was glyphosate. An additive used in the Roundup
formulation (modified tallow amine used as a surfactant) is apparently
more toxic to fish than many common surfactants. For this reason, the
formulation for use in aquatic situations (Rodeo) omits this
ingredient. The surfactant is used to allow the compound to readily
dissolve in solution and to keep the compound from balling up on the
leaf surface.
===================

This is wikipedia's page for polyethoxylated tallow amine surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyeth...d_tallow_amine

===============
Roundup Pro is a formulation of glyphosate that contains a phosphate
ester neutralized polyethoxylated tallow amine surfactant; as of 1997
there was no published information regarding the chemical differences
between the surfactant in Roundup and Roundup Pro.

The polyethoxylated tallow amine used as a surfactant in Roundup is
referred to in the literature as MON 0139 or polyoxyethyleneamine
(POEA). Presumably, the Roundup surfactant is a derivative of tallow, a
complex mixture of fat from the fatty tissue of cattle or sheep.

POEA is 15% of Roundup formulations and the phosphate ester neutralized
polyethoxylated tallow amine surfactant is 14.5% of Roundup Pro.

Surfactants are generally required to be used with glyphosate to allow
effective uptake of glyphosate, which is hydrophilic, across plant
cuticles, which are hydrophobic, and reduces the amount of glyphosate
washed off plants by rain.
===============

Does premixed Roundup available in the US contain surfactants?

I spray insecticidal soap on a few locust trees to kill aphids, and
might start mixing it with Roundup and Weed-B-Gon as an experiment.
This soap contains:

- Alkanolamine salts of fatty acids (25%)

HomeGuy" "Home wrote:
I buy Roundup in premixed 5-liter hand-pump sprayer:

I use the concentrate. It is hugely less expensive purchased that way.
The pump sprayer is easily refillable.

On Monday, July 14, 2014 10:39:46 AM UTC-4, H o m e G u y wrote:
J Burns wrote:



Stormin Mormon wrote:



Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,

then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.

Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test

works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.



Why do you have your line-length set to 50-odd characters instead of,

say, 72?



Regarding roundup, the only place I use that is in my parkinglot at

$dayjob and on the road in front of my house (in the cracks around the

curbs) or on my driveway. There is no other place where spraying

roundup in my yard wouldn't kill either grass or something that my SO

would kill me for.



I looked into Roundup a few months ago so I could tell a neighbor

the shelf life. Monsanto says 6 months after mixing, and it's the

surfacant, not the glyphosate, that breaks down.



I buy Roundup in premixed 5-liter hand-pump sprayer:



That alone is proof enough that you're truly the village idiot.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:48:55 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 7/14/14, 8:21 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/14/2014 8:07 AM, wrote:
For killing oily weeds like poison ivey, some people fing adding a
few spoonfulls of diesel fuel does the trick - it acts as a
surfactant, wetting the leaves more effectively


I can imagine diesel and ivy oil mixing, but
that doesn't make it a surfactant.

In many cases, I've found clipping effective. The leaves won't hurt
you. It's the sap. Hedge shears give a nice reach and can be rinsed
afterward.
It is the oil on the leaves as well as the sap. Some people are less
affected by the oil, but just touching the plant - not squashing it,
can cause SERIOUS reactions to a large percentage of the population.

And burning it can be VERY dangerous, as the smoke carries the
irritant into the lungs and eyes as well.

On Monday, July 14, 2014 8:54:13 AM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:

On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:58:12 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:

On 7/13/2014 10:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:



I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with

water



according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.







I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray

"wetting" the



leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most

of it



beads up on the leaves and runs off.







I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck"

to



the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface



tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy

water,



or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and

water.







Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of

water-soluble



weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is

used?







And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:







2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)



Quinclorac



Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)











I would assume the mix is formulated for maximum effectiveness and

works



best when directions are followed.







I had a neighbor that had one of these jobs at DuPont and that is

all he



did.



I have a lot of good info on this, but heh, why should I (or anyone

else) help out the jerk who constantly starts one off topic America

bashing thread after another? The more weeds he has in his lawn the

better.



FWIW and for anyone who cares , QUIT KILLING THE BEES ! Just about every one

of those compounds for killing weeds has an effect on our pollinators . Add

in the effects of neonic and other pesticides and you can end up with colony

collapse disorder , where the bees just wander off apparently and die .


Nice theory, except that so far, scientists investigating colony collapse
disorder haven't reached any conclusion as to the cause. If they don't know,
neither do you.




It wouldn't take a bomb to bring this country down , just one crop sprayer

full of pesticides at the right time and right place could kill up to 3/4 of

the bees in this country , and without them we'd starve ...

--

Snag

One crop sprayer? Really? Just how dumb do you think we are?
Good grief.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:21:58 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 7/14/2014 8:07 AM, wrote:
For killing oily weeds like poison ivey, some people fing adding a
few spoonfulls of diesel fuel does the trick - it acts as a
surfactant, wetting the leaves more effectively


I can imagine diesel and ivy oil mixing, but
that doesn't make it a surfactant.
I didn't say it WAS a surfactant. I said it ACTS AS a surfactant -
wetting the leaves more effectively.

In ,
HomeGuy" "Home "Home"@Guy.com belched:
J Burns wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,
then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.
Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test
works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.

Why do you have your line-length set to 50-odd characters instead of,
say, 72?


why do you continuely morph?
is it because your an asshole or you do you have an identity problem

On Monday, July 14, 2014 3:33:37 AM UTC-7, dadiOH wrote:
"philo " wrote in message



On 07/13/2014 09:52 PM, HomeGuy wrote:

I mix concentrated Ortho Weed B Gon (Plus Grabgrass Control) with

water

according to the label and use a 1-gallon handpump sprayer.



I suppose that it works, but I don't exactly see the spray "wetting"

the

leaves and stems of the stuff I'm spraying. Looks more like most of

it

beads up on the leaves and runs off.



I'm thinking that this stuff would be more effective if it "stuck" to

the leaves, and I think that's only going to happen if the surface

tension is reduced, possibly by pre-spraying the weeds with soapy

water,

or alternatively maybe adding soap in with the weed killer and water.



Does anyone have a clue regarding if the effectiveness of

water-soluble

weed killer is increased if a surface-tension reducing agent is used?



And just for clarity, Ortho Weed B Gon contains:



2,4-D (Dimethylamine salt)

Quinclorac

Dicamba (dimethlamine salt)









No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's

pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.



Good luck doing that along a half mile of fence.

Or with perennial weeds that spread from the roots such as morny glory, Canada thistle etc. I have both in my lawns and garden. Been spraying with both 24d and RU since 1976 and it is down to a few thistle and some sprigs of MG in a few spots.

Harry K

HomeGuy" "Home wrote:
J Burns wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Have to try plain Roundup on one side of the yard,
then add some soap and do the other side of the yard.
Do an A versus B test. I'd like to hear how the test
works out. I do use Roundup on my weeds.

Why do you have your line-length set to 50-odd characters instead of,
say, 72?

Maybe because then it can go through a few cycles of not being trimed by people
following up before it starts making everyones newsreaders add blank

lines.

On Monday, July 14, 2014 7:03:53 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

...



My landlord is concerned about trim weeds,

mow the lawn. A couple year ago, I sprayed

Roundup all around my trailer, right near

the skirting. Left a dead zone. Which is OK

with me, at least it's not weeds and doesn't

cost me money when the landlord decides to

send his guy out to trim my weeds. Far as I

know, no children or animals were killed.

Except the little boy who... no, probably not

the cause.....



Good thing about Roundup and other products that only contain glyphostate

and no other harmful chemicals is that it is almost harmless to people and

animals with normal usage. You could probably drink small quanties and

have almost no effect. Maybe like a good dose of Exlax. You would think

somthing that would kill almost all plant life would be very dangerous to

people, but turns out it is one of the safest chemical grass and weed

killers.

And it goes inert once it reaches the soil. Probably one of the most benign herbicides ever invented.

Harry K

On 07/14/2014 05:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 04:15:18 -0500, philo wrote:




No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's
pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.

A number of years ago garlic mustard took over and after a good rain,
those things came out with little effort and now that I've cleared the
yard , no more than three or four return each year.

How big is your yard? How well do your neighbors keep theirs so seeds
don't fly to your yard? Sometimes you need more than just pulling the
weeds, though there are better methods than just chemicals.




Admittedly my yard is fairly small, I suppose for a large area I'd think
differently.

Full-quoting google-giggler piece of **** trader_4 wrote:

I buy Roundup in premixed 5-liter hand-pump sprayer:

That alone is proof enough that you're truly the village idiot.

For one thing you piece of ****, I buy it when it's sale ($20).

Second, the retail availability of various lawn-care products have been
drastically reduced (and in most cases, banned) here in Ontario, which
includes the concentrated version of Roundup. The 5-liter (1.3 gallon)
ready-to-use spray is the largest I can buy. Since I don't have acres
and acres of real estate to nuke of all plant life, I don't have much of
a need for the concentrate anyways.

Got that - you dumb ****?

On 07/14/2014 02:15 AM, philo wrote:
No way would I ever toxify my yard, I found that after a good rain it's
pretty easy to pull out the weeds roots and all.

A number of years ago garlic mustard took over and after a good rain,
those things came out with little effort and now that I've cleared the
yard , no more than three or four return each year.

Yep. A number of years ago I used some of the Weed-B-Gon on my yard to
get rid of a dandelion infestation. While it worked well, I noticed
that the local squirrels were acting a bit strange for a few weeks
afterwards. In the following years, I noticed a similar behavior
pattern near other neighbors who used the products.

Now I just go out and pull the weeds every once in awhile. You can pick
a lot of weeds in a half an hour (literally hundreds of them), and it's
more satisfying to get the chance to kill them up close and personal
anyway. Like any "dirty job", I just put on some working clothes and
gloves and have at it.

Jon