Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 7/1/2014 8:53 AM, DannyD. wrote:
Armed with the great information in this thread, we were
able to garner another 1,000 gallons of water simply by
lifting the floats in two neighbor's water tanks!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98287134@N02/14546837292/

Here's the water flow from the newer home construction into
the third of three 5000 gallon tanks after lifting the float:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5480/1...0794c170_c.jpg

By way of contrast, here's the flow into the first of five
5,000 gallon tanks at another residence after doing the same:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5480/1...0794c170_c.jpg

Thanks for all your advice, we're coming up with an action plan
which will (a) inspect all the tanks, (b) test the fire systems,
and (c) allow us to truck water up the hills when we run out.


Now, that's good news. Perhaps the folks who have
good wells can and will share with others. I think
it's a very wise idea to briefly test the fire
department connections. Best to find a problem
NOW, not during a crisis.

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"Unless it can find a way to get more water from somewhere,
Las Vegas is out of business.

Yet they’re still building, which is stupid.”


There are stupid people in the US?

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!

============================

Las Vegas Is Screwed; The Water Situation Is As Bad As You Can Imagine

06/30/2014

"It's just going to be screwed. And relatively quickly," warns Tim
Barnett, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, telling The
Telegraph, the situation in Las Vegas is "as bad as you can imagine".
After a devastating, 14-year drought drained the reservoir that supplies
90% of the city’s water, the apparently endless supply of water is an
illusion as Las Vegas population has soared. As Barnett ominously
concludes, "unless it can find a way to get more water from somewhere,
Las Vegas is out of business. Yet they’re still building, which is
stupid."

As The Telegraph reports, as with many things in Sin City, the
apparently endless supply of water is an illusion.

------------
America’s most decadent destination has been engaged in a potentially
catastrophic gamble with nature and now, 14 years into a devastating
drought, it is on the verge of losing it all.

“The situation is as bad as you can imagine,” said Tim Barnett, a
climate scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. “It’s just
going to be screwed. And relatively quickly. Unless it can find a way
to get more water from somewhere Las Vegas is out of business. Yet
they’re still building, which is stupid.”

Las Vegas gets just four inches of rain in a good year, and in the first
four months of 2014 there was just 0.31 of an inch.

The Southern Nevada Water Authority, which has the task of keeping the
city from running dry, has described the effects of the drought as
“every bit as serious as a Hurricane Katrina or a Superstorm Sandy”.

However, Las Vegas still uses 219 gallons of water per person per day,
one of the highest figures in the US. In San Francisco the figure is
just 49 gallons.

Lake Mead’s water level is currently at 1,087ft above sea level. There
are two pipes, known as “straws”, that take water from it to Las Vegas.
The first extracts water at an elevation of 1,050ft and is likely to be
sucking at air, rather than water, soon. The second straw is at
1,000ft. Lake Mead is expected to fall another 20ft towards that
critical point by the end of this year.

Beneath the ground a mammoth effort is already under way to complete a
new, lower straw which will be able to draw the last of the water from
the lake. But it is a painfully slow process as a giant drill the size
of two football pitches advances at a rate of one inch per day. That
rescue project is costing $817 million and is currently expected to be
complete by late 2015, but it is not viewed as a long-term solution.

Las Vegas also wants to build a separate $15.5 billion pipeline that
would pump 27 billion gallons of groundwater a year from an aquifer 260
miles away in rural Nevada.

But a judge has refused permission after environmentalists sued on the
basis that it would adversely affect 5,500 acres of meadows, 33 miles of
trout streams, and 130,000 acres of habitat used by sage grouse, mule
deer, elk and pronghorn, an antelope-like creature that is endangered in
the region. The court heard that 25 species of Great Basin springsnails
would be pushed toward extinction.
----------------

But in the end, it's a fools promise...

----------------
“It’s a really dumb-headed proposition. It would provide a false sense
of security that there’s plenty of water and it would delay the
inevitable decisions that have to be taken about water conservation and
restricting growth.

"The drought is like a slow spreading cancer across the desert. It’s
not like a tornado or a tsunami. The effects are playing out over
decades. And as the water situation becomes more dire we are going to
start having to talk about the removal of people from Las Vegas.”

Mr Mrowka cited Lake Las Vegas, a mega-resort where stars including
Celine Dion live, as one of the “most egregious examples” of wasting
water.
-----------------

And then there's this...

-----------------
One proposal is for landlocked Nevada to pay billions of dollars to
build solar-powered desalination plants in the Pacific off Mexico,
taking Mexico’s share of Colorado River water in exchange.

But Mr Mrowka said: “The Colorado is essentially a dying river.
Ultimately, Las Vegas and our civilisation in the American South West is
going to disappear, like the Indians did before us.”
-----------------

The bottom line - get there now, watch the fountains, drink the water,
swim in the lake... and sell your house.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:03:11 AM UTC-7, o m e H o m e G u y wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The Southern Nevada Water Authority, which has the task of keeping the
city from running dry, has described the effects of the drought as
�every bit as serious as a Hurricane Katrina or a Superstorm Sandy�.


snip


The bottom line - get there now, watch the fountains, drink the water,
swim in the lake... and sell your house.

Like this wasn't predicted a long time ago. Build a city in a desert, try to turn it green and then be surprised when you run out of water...

Perhaps they can capture a big iceberg and let it melt in Lake Meade. Transport would be just a minor detail to solve.

Harry K

Harry K

there have been proposals to build a water pipeline from the great lakes to nevada.

Lake meads straws arent a killer issue put a barge in lake meade equipped with pumps to pump the lake water into the first straw that goes dry.

those global warming deniers are going to get a wake up call. the current areas being flooded are americas bread basket

Guv Bob wrote:

I'm not too worried about Vegas. The days of being the only gambling
& entertainment center are over. Vegas got started during
prohibition when gambling was also illegal, and Hoover Dam
construction provided thousands of workers from out of town. All
that has changed now.

Next after the water problem, will be the electrical power issue.

If someone wants to gamble, there are hundreds of Indian casinos just
as good as Vegas. And there are the omnipresent lottery vendors in
every town now.

However, it's good place in the early spring and late fall for
outdoors types. This is a good place to visit -- location of the
original oasis: http://www.springspreserve.org/


But what about the hookers?

I'm not too worried about Vegas. The days of being the only gambling & entertainment center are over. Vegas got started during prohibition when gambling was also illegal, and Hoover Dam construction provided thousands of workers from out of town. All that has changed now.

Next after the water problem, will be the electrical power issue.

If someone wants to gamble, there are hundreds of Indian casinos just as good as Vegas. And there are the omnipresent lottery vendors in every town now.

However, it's good place in the early spring and late fall for outdoors types. This is a good place to visit -- location of the original oasis:
http://www.springspreserve.org/

"badgolferman" wrote in message ...
Guv Bob wrote:

I'm not too worried about Vegas. The days of being the only gambling
& entertainment center are over. Vegas got started during
prohibition when gambling was also illegal, and Hoover Dam
construction provided thousands of workers from out of town. All
that has changed now.

Next after the water problem, will be the electrical power issue.

If someone wants to gamble, there are hundreds of Indian casinos just
as good as Vegas. And there are the omnipresent lottery vendors in
every town now.

However, it's good place in the early spring and late fall for
outdoors types. This is a good place to visit -- location of the
original oasis: http://www.springspreserve.org/


But what about the hookers?

Welll.. like the hooker said, you've got a good point there.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote in

those global warming deniers are going to get a wake up call. the current areas being flooded are americas bread basket

What does drought & flooding have to do with the theory of global
warming? Cycles of drought/flooding have been going on for thousands
of years.

As for climate change, that is quack science used by big-government
tax and spend politicians and special interest groups to justify
massive new taxes and government control (think gas cans, light bulbs
and carbon taxes). Indeed, many of the UN-IPCC input data assumptions
used in the Global Warming Climate Change computer models are
egregiously unrealistic, e.g. CO2 uptake via the global ocean/air
interface, effects of solar activity, very limited data sampling,
sub-surface ocean current movement changes, chronic underestimate of
methane effects, variability of volcanic ash and CO2 ejection, methane
overestimation, etc. There are many others. As the developers of
computer models like to say: "Garbage in, garbage out".

The IPCC previous report, in 2007, was so grotesquely flawed that the
leading scientific body in the United States, the InterAcademy
Council, decided that an investigation was warranted. The IAC duly
reported in 2010, and concluded that there were "significant
shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process",
and that "significant improvements" were needed. It also chastised the
IPCC for claiming to have "high confidence in some statements for
which there is little evidence".

Indeed, A peer-reviewed climate change study released in Sept 2013 by
the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change finds the
threat of man-made global warming to be not only greatly exaggerated
but so small as to be "embedded within the background variability of
the natural climate system" and not dangerous.

Want more? How about: “The dysfunctional nature of the climate
sciences is nothing short of a scandal. Science is too important for
our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the
Climate Science Community.” The global warming establishment “has
actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do
not comply with the dogma of the IPCC.” -- Swedish Climatologist Dr.
Hans Jelbring of the Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit at Stockholm
University.

Last, but not least, is additional dissonance added to the debate
regarding the many beneficial aspects of warming, regardless or who or
what is causing it.

A new report from the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate
Change (NIPCC), written by an international collection of scientists
and published by the conservative Heartland Institute, claims just
that, declaring that humanity's impact on climate is not causing
substantial harm to the Earth.

For info about big-media bias on this issue, read "LA Times bans
letters from climate skeptics"
http://fxn.ws/19QMj9S
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

there have been proposals to build a water pipeline from the great lakes to nevada.


fart in a space suit

Lake meads straws arent a killer issue put a barge in lake meade equipped with pumps to pump the lake water into the first straw that goes dry.


Obviously you don't grasp the straw?

those global warming deniers are going to get a wake up call. the current areas being flooded are americas bread basket

The wake up call is in the fallacy that you use calling people a
denier.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:00:13 -0800, "Guv Bob"
wrote:

However, it's good place in the early spring and late fall for outdoors types. This is a good place to visit -- location of the original oasis:
http://www.springspreserve.org/

Yes. People need to know how the springs brought native Indians.

My understanding is that the City of Riyadh smack dab in the middle of Saudi Arabia gets it's water from the Red Sea. There's a 48 inch diameter pipe line that carries salt water from the Red Sea to a desalination facility in Riyadh. They desalinate the water and use it for cooking, cleaning and drinking.

When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, one of the things they needed was fresh water, and they used desalinated water from the Gulf of Mexico.

On 07/01/2014 09:03 AM, HomeGuy wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 7/1/2014 8:53 AM, DannyD. wrote:
Armed with the great information in this thread, we were
able to garner another 1,000 gallons of water simply by
lifting the floats in two neighbor's water tanks!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98287134@N02/14546837292/


snip



The first time I went to Las Vegas...probably 1964 or so,
it was 117F.


gee, that's odd, I don't recall ever going back to that hell hole again.

Heres MY opinion of global warming

If its truly being made worse by humans we better do what we can to minize it.

Since the costs to relocate all the people along the coasts that might get flooded will kill our economy.

There are currently islands in the oceans disappearing because the ocean level has risen.

Plus clean air is good for everyone.

Big business will get concerned about global warming when the wall street workers get their 5 grand a pair shoes wet trying to go to work.

I am 57 years old, it appears the rate of nasty weather both flooding, storms and drought is increasing..

philo wrote:
On 07/01/2014 09:03 AM, HomeGuy wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 7/1/2014 8:53 AM, DannyD. wrote:
Armed with the great information in this thread, we were
able to garner another 1,000 gallons of water simply by
lifting the floats in two neighbor's water tanks!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98287134@N02/14546837292/


snip



The first time I went to Las Vegas...probably 1964 or so,
it was 117F.


gee, that's odd, I don't recall ever going back to that hell hole again.

That's about as hot as it got one year I lived in the ca high desert. Don't
visit Vegas in the summer.

Greg

On 07/02/2014 02:34 AM, gregz wrote:


The first time I went to Las Vegas...probably 1964 or so,
it was 117F.


gee, that's odd, I don't recall ever going back to that hell hole again.

That's about as hot as it got one year I lived in the ca high desert. Don't
visit Vegas in the summer.

Greg




Pretty much the same for Phoenix

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 3:27:54 PM UTC-4, CRNG wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT), bob haller

wrote in



those global warming deniers are going to get a wake up call. the current areas being flooded are americas bread basket



What does drought & flooding have to do with the theory of global

warming? Cycles of drought/flooding have been going on for thousands

of years.



Are you sick of hearing about the "severe weather" every night on
the major network's news? Thank God for Tivo, so I can skip through it.
Every time there is a tornado or some hail anywhere, it's the #2 story
for 5 mins on the nightly news, even if the only damage is a few broken
windows. The new thing is, they aren't content
now with just bloviating on the common weather, now they have to drag
in some hack meterologist to give a forecast for tomorrow too.

Meanwhile there is real news of major importance, that goes unreported.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:59:31 PM UTC-4, Guv Bob wrote:
I'm not too worried about Vegas. The days of being the only gambling & entertainment center are over. Vegas got started during prohibition when gambling was also illegal, and Hoover Dam construction provided thousands of workers from out of town. All that has changed now.



Next after the water problem, will be the electrical power issue.



If someone wants to gamble, there are hundreds of Indian casinos just as good as Vegas. And there are the omnipresent lottery vendors in every town now.



LOL. Sure Vegas has more competition, but comparing LV to an Indian Casino
or lottery machine is like saying Cleveland is just as good as Paris.

nestork wrote:

My understanding is that the City of Riyadh smack dab in the middle of
Saudi Arabia gets it's water from the Red Sea. There's a 48 inch
diameter pipe line that carries salt water from the Red Sea to a
desalination facility in Riyadh. They desalinate the water and use it
for cooking, cleaning and drinking.

When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, one of the things they needed
was fresh water, and they used desalinated water from the Gulf of
Mexico.

Desalination technology, primarily reverse osmosis has matured and
become less expensive. In the NV desert there is certainly enough solar
energy available to power a large desalination plant. The issue of
course is getting sea water into such a landlocked location to be
desalinated. I expect unless we find a way to stop the ridiculous growth
all over the US, this issue is going to have to be addressed most
everywhere. There is no water shortage in the world, just a shortage of
potable water and in the future we're just going to have to make the
abundant sea water potable ourselves.

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 8:25:58 AM UTC-4, Pete C. wrote:
nestork wrote:



My understanding is that the City of Riyadh smack dab in the middle of

Saudi Arabia gets it's water from the Red Sea. There's a 48 inch

diameter pipe line that carries salt water from the Red Sea to a

desalination facility in Riyadh. They desalinate the water and use it

for cooking, cleaning and drinking.



When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, one of the things they needed

was fresh water, and they used desalinated water from the Gulf of

Mexico.



Desalination technology, primarily reverse osmosis has matured and

become less expensive. In the NV desert there is certainly enough solar

energy available to power a large desalination plant. The issue of

course is getting sea water into such a landlocked location to be

desalinated. I expect unless we find a way to stop the ridiculous growth

all over the US, this issue is going to have to be addressed most

everywhere. There is no water shortage in the world, just a shortage of

potable water and in the future we're just going to have to make the

abundant sea water potable ourselves.

A lot of our problems would be solved by slowing population growth.
Unfortunately, some big ones would be made worse, ie the pyramid scheme
of social security. It's interesting that AFAIK, it has never come
up for any kind of debate. It's not mentioned, period. And as far
as population growth, right now you have illegals flooding across the
border, many in this country on the left like it and want totally open
borders.

trader_4 wrote:

A lot of our problems would be solved by slowing population growth.
Unfortunately, some big ones would be made worse, ie the pyramid
scheme of social security. It's interesting that AFAIK, it has
never come up for any kind of debate. It's not mentioned, period.

Ask any christian (of any stripe) if there is a limit to how many people
can live on the earth, and they'll tell you no.

Because God wants perpetual human growth.

Because every time we seem to reach a breaking point, we create
technology that gets us to the next plateau.

The future of planet earth is that eventually there will be 2 living
organisms. Humans, and lakes of green slime that we pump our waste into
and that in turn we harvest to eat. The simplest of ecosystems, one
where the maximal amount of bio-available carbon atoms are devoted to
human life, giving the highest possible number of living humans on
planet earth. No other organisms will exist. Where there are no lakes
of green slime, there will be stark concrete, metal and plastic blocks
of human habitation, stretching for miles. Not a single other plant or
animal will exist.

We are inching toward that future, one rain forest, one wood lot, one
new condo development or commercial plaza at a time.

HomeGuy Home@Guy.com wrote in news:lp1233$61l$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

The future of planet earth is that eventually there will be 2 living
organisms. Humans, and lakes of green slime that we pump our waste into
and that in turn we harvest to eat.


I would prefer global nuclear war.

trader_4 wrote:

Are you sick of hearing about the "severe weather" every night on
the major network's news? Thank God for Tivo, so I can skip through it.
Every time there is a tornado or some hail anywhere, it's the #2 story
for 5 mins on the nightly news, even if the only damage is a few broken
windows.

I was in Charleston, SC when a severe hurricane was predicted to make
landfall that evening. As usual, people were stocking up on beer and snacks
for the party. It came to nothing but the next day the film crews must have
searched all over the city to find a couple of palm fronds and a roof tile
or two for their breathless reporting of the aftermath.

trader_4 wrote:

LOL. Sure Vegas has more competition, but comparing LV to an Indian
Casino or lottery machine is like saying Cleveland is just as good as
Paris.

Yeah, the buffets in LV are a lot better. I understand they've redecorated
but the Nile River Tour at the Luxor with all the girls dressed like
Cleopatra was fun too. The shows have always seemed to be directed at my
parent's generation and my parents have been dead for decades.

I'm LV's worst nightmare; I see the sights, catch some of the free
entertainment, get some good food, and leave.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 08:09:21 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

I'm LV's worst nightmare; I see the sights, catch some of the free
entertainment, get some good food, and leave.

Thanks for leaving your money here

On 07/02/2014 05:25 AM, Pete C. wrote:

nestork wrote:

My understanding is that the City of Riyadh smack dab in the middle of
Saudi Arabia gets it's water from the Red Sea. There's a 48 inch
diameter pipe line that carries salt water from the Red Sea to a
desalination facility in Riyadh. They desalinate the water and use it
for cooking, cleaning and drinking.

When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, one of the things they needed
was fresh water, and they used desalinated water from the Gulf of
Mexico.

Desalination technology, primarily reverse osmosis has matured and
become less expensive. In the NV desert there is certainly enough solar
energy available to power a large desalination plant. The issue of
course is getting sea water into such a landlocked location to be
desalinated.

It's only about 250 miles from Las Vegas to the Pacific Ocean, assuming
you want to bypass Los Angeles. That's not all that far for placing in
a pipeline, other than having to go through some mountains.

Jon

trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:59:02 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
Heres MY opinion of global warming



If its truly being made worse by humans we better do what we can to
minize it.



I agree. But the essential part there is the "If". My position for
the last ten years has been that we should take cost effective,
reasonable measures, that reduce CO2. Things like better insulation
for houses, using fuels that emit less CO2 where the cost is close,
higher efficieny lighting, HVAC, etc.

Right now, the global temperature hasn't gone up for over a decade.



Or so say all the wacko deniers!

Will you continue to make this claim if the following becomes reality?
http://www.bitsofscience.org/hottest...ord-2015-6545/

Two hottest years ever: 2014 will set new world temperature record - and 2015
will break it

The graph makes it pretty clear.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 23:05:06 +0200, nestork
wrote:


My understanding is that the City of Riyadh smack dab in the middle of
Saudi Arabia gets it's water from the Red Sea. There's a 48 inch
diameter pipe line that carries salt water from the Red Sea to a
desalination facility in Riyadh. They desalinate the water and use it
for cooking, cleaning and drinking.

When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, one of the things they needed
was fresh water, and they used desalinated water from the Gulf of
Mexico.

Much of that water was made on Naval ships.

California could save itself, the darter fish and water the farms
denied water by the EPA.

A line from San Diego to Phoenix. CA can make their own water, but
they love big government saving the world.

Lake Mead supports AZ, CA & NV. Some runs off in Mexico somewhere in
salt water.

Jon Danniken wrote:

On 07/02/2014 05:25 AM, Pete C. wrote:

nestork wrote:

My understanding is that the City of Riyadh smack dab in the middle of
Saudi Arabia gets it's water from the Red Sea. There's a 48 inch
diameter pipe line that carries salt water from the Red Sea to a
desalination facility in Riyadh. They desalinate the water and use it
for cooking, cleaning and drinking.

When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, one of the things they needed
was fresh water, and they used desalinated water from the Gulf of
Mexico.

Desalination technology, primarily reverse osmosis has matured and
become less expensive. In the NV desert there is certainly enough solar
energy available to power a large desalination plant. The issue of
course is getting sea water into such a landlocked location to be
desalinated.

It's only about 250 miles from Las Vegas to the Pacific Ocean, assuming
you want to bypass Los Angeles. That's not all that far for placing in
a pipeline, other than having to go through some mountains.

Jon

The casino tycoons have plenty of money, ultimately they'll end up
funding something like this.

On 07/02/2014 07:40 AM, trader_4 wrote:


Are you sick of hearing about the "severe weather" every night on
the major network's news?

I used to pay $75 month for a bunch of cable channels I never watched and the few I did watch were infested with commercials.

So I kicked my cable box to the curb and replaced it with an Amazon FireTV.

Joan Watson wrote:

On 07/02/2014 07:40 AM, trader_4 wrote:


Are you sick of hearing about the "severe weather" every night on
the major network's news?

I used to pay $75 month for a bunch of cable channels I never watched and the few I did watch were infested with commercials.

So I kicked my cable box to the curb and replaced it with an Amazon FireTV.

You're halfway there... Now kick all that mind numbing crap to the curb,
hind some physical hobbies, outdoor activities, etc. It's amazing how
much more time you have and how much more you get done when you
eliminate that crap.

On 07/02/2014 12:41 PM, Pete C. wrote:
The casino tycoons have plenty of money, ultimately they'll end up
funding something like this.

I doubt it.

Taxpayers will pay for the pipeline. And the one percenters that own the casinos also own the construction companies that will get the lucrative pipeline contract.

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:15:51 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
trader_4 wrote:

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:59:02 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:

Heres MY opinion of global warming







If its truly being made worse by humans we better do what we can to

minize it.







I agree. But the essential part there is the "If". My position for

the last ten years has been that we should take cost effective,

reasonable measures, that reduce CO2. Things like better insulation

for houses, using fuels that emit less CO2 where the cost is close,

higher efficieny lighting, HVAC, etc.



Right now, the global temperature hasn't gone up for over a decade.







Or so say all the wacko deniers!



You mean like NOAA, ie the US govt?


http://scienceblogs.com/significantf...emperature.png

Despite all the hysteria, global temp has been going sideways for about 15 years. It's right there in the graph.



Will you continue to make this claim if the following becomes reality?

http://www.bitsofscience.org/hottest...ord-2015-6545/



I'll continue to claim it as long as NOAA and the actual data show it's
true. Chicken little *predictions* don't matter.




Two hottest years ever: 2014 will set new world temperature record - and 2015

will break it



You're easily amused by shiny objects, aren't you?



The graph makes it pretty clear.

Clear that you're an idiot, yes.

Rick wrote:

On 07/02/2014 12:41 PM, Pete C. wrote:
The casino tycoons have plenty of money, ultimately they'll end up
funding something like this.

I doubt it.

Taxpayers will pay for the pipeline. And the one percenters that own the casinos also own the construction companies that will get the lucrative pipeline contract.

The taxpayers in vegas mostly only exist because of the casinos. Before
the casinos there was nothing there, thus no employment and nobody to
pay taxes.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:42:47 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote in


Joan Watson wrote:

On 07/02/2014 07:40 AM, trader_4 wrote:


Are you sick of hearing about the "severe weather" every night on
the major network's news?

I used to pay $75 month for a bunch of cable channels I never watched and the few I did watch were infested with commercials.

So I kicked my cable box to the curb and replaced it with an Amazon FireTV.

You're halfway there... Now kick all that mind numbing crap to the curb,
hind some physical hobbies, outdoor activities, etc. It's amazing how
much more time you have and how much more you get done when you
eliminate that crap.

Don't forget books. Real books. Not the overpriced eBook crap. There
are lots at the local library.
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On 7/1/2014 3:00 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
I'm not too worried about Vegas. The days of being the only gambling & entertainment center are over. Vegas got started during prohibition when gambling was also illegal, and Hoover Dam construction provided thousands of workers from out of town. All that has changed now.

Next after the water problem, will be the electrical power issue.

If someone wants to gamble, there are hundreds of Indian casinos just as good as Vegas. And there are the omnipresent lottery vendors in every town now.

However, it's good place in the early spring and late fall for outdoors types. This is a good place to visit -- location of the original oasis:
http://www.springspreserve.org/


Las Vegas started as an oasis and too many people will deplete an oasis
of water. Plenty of places like Vegas in the rest of the country where
a nice place to live got overcrowded.

States are killing the gambling golden goose. Casino's in Atlantic City
are closing. Those in Delaware where I live just got a $10 mil boast
from the government as attendance is down due to casinos now in PA and MD.

On 7/2/2014 10:13 AM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 08:09:21 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

I'm LV's worst nightmare; I see the sights, catch some of the free
entertainment, get some good food, and leave.

Thanks for leaving your money here


I don't gamble either but enjoyed low room cost, good food,
entertainment and a visit to the Hoover dam and Grand Canyon. Atlantic
City is only a 2 hour drive for me but I prefer to fly to Vegas.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:13:06 -0500, philo* wrote:

On 07/02/2014 02:34 AM, gregz wrote:


The first time I went to Las Vegas...probably 1964 or so,
it was 117F.


gee, that's odd, I don't recall ever going back to that hell hole again.

That's about as hot as it got one year I lived in the ca high desert. Don't
visit Vegas in the summer.

Greg




Pretty much the same for Phoenix


It was 114 at my house yesterday. Only up to 109 so far today. The
red brick pavers are 150+

In article ,
Oren wrote:

Much of that water was made on Naval ships.
100% of the water used on cruise ships is made on board. Cities of 7500
in some cases with crew and pax.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 19:59:02 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

Heres MY opinion of global warming

If its truly being made worse by humans we better do what we can to minize it.

That's true. It makes sense to not pollute anyway.

Since the costs to relocate all the people along the coasts that might get flooded will kill our economy.

I'm not so sure of that. The encroachment of the sea will be slow so
the loss of people habitat will also be slow. I don't see how that's
really much of a problem for the economy. So every year another
couple thousand people have to move, big deal. In fact, it could be
a boon. It will create jobs building new, and MORE efficient, housing
elsewhere. And if they aren't stupid about it they will relocate to
someplace with better weather and/or a more reliable water supply then
many parts of the CA coast have.


There are currently islands in the oceans disappearing because the ocean level has risen.

So? Unless you own them, who cares. People get screwed by weather
events every year and much more violently then the ocean rising 0.1 an
inch per year. If the islands go away they can move... just like
people on the coast.


Plus clean air is good for everyone.

True.


Big business will get concerned about global warming when the wall street workers get their 5 grand a pair shoes wet trying to go to work.

The only part of big biz that cares is the part that owns beach front
property. They want YOU to protect THEIR investment.



I am 57 years old, it appears the rate of nasty weather both flooding, storms and drought is increasing..


I see less nasty weather here in Phx. 50 years ago we had numerous
bad thunderstorms all summer long. Now we are lucky to have 2 or 3 of
them. It has gotten marginally hotter but it's hard to know if that's
from AGW or just from the urbanization. I can drive less then 10
miles and it will be 5 to 10 degrees cooler next to one of the few
remaining farm acreage's. The valley used to have thousands of acres
of farms cooling it.

"bob haller" wrote in message ...
there have been proposals to build a water pipeline from the great lakes to nevada.

Lake meads straws arent a killer issue put a barge in lake meade equipped with pumps to pump the lake water into the first straw that goes dry.

those global warming deniers are going to get a wake up call. the current areas being flooded are americas bread basket

I don't think anyone is denying that global warming/cooling occurs. The debate seems to be between those (pro and con) who really don't understand how long-term (100,000 years or more) solar, astronomical and geological cycles work.

trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:15:51 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
trader_4 wrote:

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:59:02 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:

Heres MY opinion of global warming







If its truly being made worse by humans we better do what we can to

minize it.







I agree. But the essential part there is the "If". My position for

the last ten years has been that we should take cost effective,

reasonable measures, that reduce CO2. Things like better insulation

for houses, using fuels that emit less CO2 where the cost is close,

higher efficieny lighting, HVAC, etc.



Right now, the global temperature hasn't gone up for over a decade.







Or so say all the wacko deniers!



You mean like NOAA, ie the US govt?


http://scienceblogs.com/significantf...emperature.png

Despite all the hysteria, global temp has been going sideways for
about 15 years. It's right there in the graph.



Will you continue to make this claim if the following becomes
reality?

http://www.bitsofscience.org/hottest...ord-2015-6545/



I'll continue to claim it as long as NOAA and the actual data show
it's
true. Chicken little *predictions* don't matter.




Two hottest years ever: 2014 will set new world temperature record -
and 2015

will break it



You're easily amused by shiny objects, aren't you?



The graph makes it pretty clear.

Clear that you're an idiot, yes.

LOL!