Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,
and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5
apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was
leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are
some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble
soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly
burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),
because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.

But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are
still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even
those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.
Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base
of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,
except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in
spots.

If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT
install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,

and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5

apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was

leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are

some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble

soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly

burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),

because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.



But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are

still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even

those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.

Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base

of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,

except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in

spots.



If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT

install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills

On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,

and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5

apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was

leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are

some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble

soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly

burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),

because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.



But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are

still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even

those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.

Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base

of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,

except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in

spots.



If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT

install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills
I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:35:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller

wrote:



On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,



and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5



apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was



leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are



some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble



soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly



burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),



because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.







But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are



still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even



those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.



Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base



of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,



except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in



spots.







If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT



install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.



no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..



I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.



vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

And steel is even better - doesn't dent, cost a bunch more though. I wouldn't use vinyl on the looks alone after it has been up several years.

Harry K

"Harry K" wrote in message ...
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:35:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller

wrote:



On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,



and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5



apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was



leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are



some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble



soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly



burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),



because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.







But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are



still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even



those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.



Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base



of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,



except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in



spots.







If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT



install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.



no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..



I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.



vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

And steel is even better - doesn't dent, cost a bunch more though. I wouldn't use vinyl on the looks alone after it has been up several years.

Harry K

I don't know about damp climates, but stucco works good here in the peoples republic (calif). This house was stuccoed 22 years ago and only a few spots on the north side have started to flake off.

"bob haller" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,

and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5

apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was

leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are

some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble

soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly

burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),

because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.



But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are

still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even

those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.

Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base

of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,

except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in

spots.



If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT

install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl
sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your
homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus
you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills

I suppose it depends on where you live. We're in the PNW. I don't think
our house was freshly painted when we moved in almost 10 years ago and it is
just now getting to the point where I see paint chipping off of the garage
door. The rest of the house still looks good but... We are getting new
roofing put on and that will include new soffit because they used the wrong
kind of wood. That will need to be painted so we will be painting the rest
of the house as well. Vinyl siding is not that popular here.

I had vinyl when I lived in military housing. I hated the stuff! One
winter, we had a severe blizzard complete with high winds. The siding blew
partially off on one end of the house. I had to keep listening to it whip
back and whap the house for days on end. Maintenance couldn't get up to my
house to fix it as there was so much snow!

"Guv Bob" wrote in message
m...
"Harry K" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:35:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller

wrote:



On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on
TV,



and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5



apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began),
was



leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There
are



some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble



soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One
partly



burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),



because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.







But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are



still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even



those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling
off.



Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the
base



of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not
damaged,



except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred
in



spots.







If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT



install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.



no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..



I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl
sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your
homeowners will cover it.



vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting.
plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on
utiity bills

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

And steel is even better - doesn't dent, cost a bunch more though. I
wouldn't use vinyl on the looks alone after it has been up several years.

Harry K

I don't know about damp climates, but stucco works good here in the peoples
republic (calif). This house was stuccoed 22 years ago and only a few
spots on the north side have started to flake off.

---

I saw some stucco in Canada (Vancouver area) but have no clue how well it
holds up there. I would presume that their weather isn't too much different
than in the Seattle area. Haven't seen too much stucco here but have seen a
few houses with it.

On Wed, 14 May 2014 00:33:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:



I had vinyl when I lived in military housing. I hated the stuff! One
winter, we had a severe blizzard complete with high winds. The siding blew
partially off on one end of the house. I had to keep listening to it whip
back and whap the house for days on end. Maintenance couldn't get up to my
house to fix it as there was so much snow!

There are different grades of siding and there are good and bad
installations. My siding is still in great condition after 33 years
and I expect it will last another 33 years.

On 5/14/2014 12:02 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:35:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

And steel is even better - doesn't dent, cost a
bunch more though. I wouldn't use vinyl on the
looks alone after it has been up several years.

Harry K


Wish more people would think in terms of fire
safety. California wild fires for example,
there was a famous picture one time with fire
destruction as far as the eye can see, and one
house intact. The guy had used every fire wise
principle he could, the neighbors did not.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 5/13/2014 11:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills
I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.


Off the edge of my memory, I think aluminum siding
was outlawed in USA after someone got electric shock.
Any truth to that?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 5/14/2014 6:48 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/13/2014 11:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your
vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or
your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of
repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save
big bucks on utiity bills
I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.


Off the edge of my memory, I think aluminum siding
was outlawed in USA after someone got electric shock.
Any truth to that?


Nope. It's still manufactured and available for sale. I expect it's
more expensive than most people want to pay.

Speaking of electric shock, my next door neighbor's home and garage
has aluminum siding. Ten-twelve years ago we had a very strong, very
localized storm rip through our neighborhood and take down tree limbs
and power lines. Afterwards, he'd just walked into his garage when a
section of live wire touched the siding on the garage. Ka-BOOM! I
hollered and began to run over there - then pulled up short, realizing
a mess of live wires and branches were between me and his garage. He
came out of his garage shaking his head. The look on his face was
priceless.

On 5/13/2014 8:19 PM, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,
and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5
apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was
leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are
some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble
soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly
burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),
because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.

But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are
still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even
those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.
Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base
of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,
except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in
spots.

If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT
install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.


We've had stories in the local papers about idiots who used their
barbecue grills, firepits, or turkey fryers right next to their house,
and in the process melted their plastic siding. Some people just don't
think.

wrote:

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to
damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of confidence
in the overall structure.

I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels solid.
Costs more but worth it in my opinion.

On 5/14/2014 8:06 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 5/14/2014 6:48 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Off the edge of my memory, I think aluminum siding
was outlawed in USA after someone got electric shock.
Any truth to that?


Nope. It's still manufactured and available for sale. I expect it's more
expensive than most people want to pay.

Speaking of electric shock, my next door neighbor's home and garage has
aluminum siding. Ten-twelve years ago we had a very strong, very
localized storm rip through our neighborhood and take down tree limbs
and power lines. Afterwards, he'd just walked into his garage when a
section of live wire touched the siding on the garage. Ka-BOOM! I
hollered and began to run over there - then pulled up short, realizing a
mess of live wires and branches were between me and his garage. He came
out of his garage shaking his head. The look on his face was priceless.

One of those "wish I had a camera" moments?
Thanks for sharing. And thanks for acting
with safety.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to
damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of confidence
in the overall structure.

I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels
solid. Costs more but worth it in my opinion.

Rock is free here just for the pickin' it up ... maybe that's why they
call it Stone County . My house currently under construction will have
rock technically Arkansas field stone up to the bottom of the windows ,
split white oak shakes above . If I can figure out how to make uniform
splits ... might just have to make use of the machine shop to build a device
to do that since I know of no one around here doing that . Maybe a
horizontal band saw , that'd leave a nice rough finish .
--
Snag

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:25:14 AM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

wrote:



I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.



Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to

damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of confidence

in the overall structure.



I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels

solid. Costs more but worth it in my opinion.



Rock is free here just for the pickin' it up ... maybe that's why they

call it Stone County . My house currently under construction will have

rock technically Arkansas field stone up to the bottom of the windows ,

split white oak shakes above . If I can figure out how to make uniform

splits ... might just have to make use of the machine shop to build a device

to do that since I know of no one around here doing that . Maybe a

horizontal band saw , that'd leave a nice rough finish .

--

Snag

Should be some "do-it-yourself" on how to split shakes on the 'net. Takes a froe and mallet plus blocks to split them off of. Not a hi-tech job.

Aah, here's one:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/w...#axzz31hUMMiI5

Harry K

On Tue, 13 May 2014 23:35:33 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,

and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5

apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was

leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are

some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble

soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly

burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),

because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.



But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are

still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even

those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.

Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base

of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,

except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in

spots.



If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT

install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills
I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

I've heard aluminum siding interferes with radio reception inside the
house. And maybe OTA tv reception, if the antenna is within the
siding. .

Same for steel.

If you want to check it out, call some of the companies that make radio
and tv antennas.

On Wed, 14 May 2014 07:08:26 -0500, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

We've had stories in the local papers about idiots who used their
barbecue grills, firepits, or turkey fryers right next to their house,
and in the process melted their plastic siding. Some people just don't
think.

.... people trying to clean vinyl (siding or windows) with acetone will
damage it. ISTR sun refraction from glass will do the same.

On Tue, 13 May 2014 22:15:50 -0800, "Guv Bob"
wrote:

I don't know about damp climates, but stucco works good here in the peoples republic (calif). This house was stuccoed 22 years ago and only a few spots on the north side have started to flake off.

My stucco is ~ 17 years old. Three sides have never be painted. I
did paint the back side, after I added a patio cover and had it
stuccoed to match the house.

HD sells a quart of pre-mix stucco patch for small repairs. Works
great, especially if you have hairline cracks around windows. This
stucco house is on a cable tensioned foundation, so only have had a
couple a hairline cracks.

On Wed, 14 May 2014 06:22:14 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


Wish more people would think in terms of fire
safety. California wild fires for example,
there was a famous picture one time with fire
destruction as far as the eye can see, and one
house intact. The guy had used every fire wise
principle he could, the neighbors did not.

Environmentalist fight, not wanting to clean-up the underbrush under
trees in the forests. That contributes to the fires intensity, making
them harder to fight. It makes good sense to do so.

The flying hot embers get under the Spanish tile and burn the roof
sheathing, too.

Harry K wrote:
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:25:14 AM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

wrote:



I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.



Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to

damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of
confidence

in the overall structure.



I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels

solid. Costs more but worth it in my opinion.



Rock is free here just for the pickin' it up ... maybe that's why
they

call it Stone County . My house currently under construction will
have

rock technically Arkansas field stone up to the bottom of the
windows ,

split white oak shakes above . If I can figure out how to make
uniform

splits ... might just have to make use of the machine shop to build
a device

to do that since I know of no one around here doing that . Maybe a

horizontal band saw , that'd leave a nice rough finish .

--

Snag

Should be some "do-it-yourself" on how to split shakes on the 'net.
Takes a froe and mallet plus blocks to split them off of. Not a
hi-tech job.

Aah, here's one:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/w...#axzz31hUMMiI5

Harry K


Thank You ! That link is now saved in my construction stuff bookmark
folder . I don't have a froe , but I have a neighbor that's a blacksmith and
a couple of OCS's . Also have about 12,000 trees , surely I can find enough
straight wood to make a few shakes !
--
Snag

On Tue, 13 May 2014 21:02:39 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:35:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller

wrote:



On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,



and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5



apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was



leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are



some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble



soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly



burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),



because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.







But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are



still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even



those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.



Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base



of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,



except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in



spots.







If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT



install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.



no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..



I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.



vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

And steel is even better - doesn't dent, cost a bunch more though. I wouldn't use vinyl on the looks alone after it has been up several years.

Harry K
GOOD vinyl siding still looks pretty good after 30 years if it is
properly installed and not abused. Cheap vinyl siding looks like crap
the day it is installed and goes downhill from there. The same can be
said of poorly installed vonyl siding.

I have never seen any decent steel residential siding over here, and
there is aluminum siding that is quite dent resistant (but it is not
common)

On Wed, 14 May 2014 00:33:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"bob haller" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,

and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5

apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was

leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are

some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble

soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly

burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),

because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.



But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are

still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even

those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.

Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base

of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,

except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in

spots.



If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT

install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl
sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your
homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus
you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills

I suppose it depends on where you live. We're in the PNW. I don't think
our house was freshly painted when we moved in almost 10 years ago and it is
just now getting to the point where I see paint chipping off of the garage
door. The rest of the house still looks good but... We are getting new
roofing put on and that will include new soffit because they used the wrong
kind of wood. That will need to be painted so we will be painting the rest
of the house as well. Vinyl siding is not that popular here.

I had vinyl when I lived in military housing. I hated the stuff! One
winter, we had a severe blizzard complete with high winds. The siding blew
partially off on one end of the house. I had to keep listening to it whip
back and whap the house for days on end. Maintenance couldn't get up to my
house to fix it as there was so much snow!
Military housing - built as cheaply as possible. The only cheaper
construction is on first nations reserves.(not saying it is their
fault any more than it is the fault of the soldiers)

On Wed, 14 May 2014 07:48:58 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 11:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills
I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.


Off the edge of my memory, I think aluminum siding
was outlawed in USA after someone got electric shock.
Any truth to that?
Not that I'm aware of. Kaycan. Gentec. and Mitten are only 3 of many
companies still selling it in the USA and Canada (both)

On Wed, 14 May 2014 12:13:24 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
wrote:

wrote:

I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to
damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of confidence
in the overall structure.

I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels solid.
Costs more but worth it in my opinion.

Mine is brick on the bottom and aluminum on the top. 42 years old - we
repainted the aluminum with a top quality alkyd modified acrylic lated
about 5 years ago because the paint was getting thin and almost
transparent in places (white). It is wood-grain embossed and fiber
backed.

On Wed, 14 May 2014 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:25:14 AM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

wrote:



I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.



Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to

damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of confidence

in the overall structure.



I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels

solid. Costs more but worth it in my opinion.



Rock is free here just for the pickin' it up ... maybe that's why they

call it Stone County . My house currently under construction will have

rock technically Arkansas field stone up to the bottom of the windows ,

split white oak shakes above . If I can figure out how to make uniform

splits ... might just have to make use of the machine shop to build a device

to do that since I know of no one around here doing that . Maybe a

horizontal band saw , that'd leave a nice rough finish .

--

Snag

Should be some "do-it-yourself" on how to split shakes on the 'net. Takes a froe and mallet plus blocks to split them off of. Not a hi-tech job.

Aah, here's one:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/w...#axzz31hUMMiI5

Harry K
Shake saws were a common way of making shakes years ago - a circular
saw with a device to set up alternating taper (rip, not crosscut)
cuts.

On Wed, 14 May 2014 12:05:35 -0400, micky
wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 23:35:33 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:19:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was a huge fire in a city near my home. I saw it on TV,

and I drove past the remains today. The old 2 story business with 5

apartments on the second floor (The building where the fire began), was

leveled. Four other homes and two garages were also leveled. There are

some bulldozers there, because they will be removing all the rubble

soon. The news reports said that nothing can be salvaged. One partly

burned garage was already demolished (immediately after the fire),

because it was leaning against a home that did not burn.



But the part that caught my eye were other buildings nearby that are

still standing. All of those buildings which have vinyl siding, even

those as far away as a block, have siding all warped and/or falling off.

Some places have large blobs of this siding melted together at the base

of the house. The buildings with painted wood siding were not damaged,

except those directly next to the fire, where the paint was charred in

spots.



If you suspect there will ever be a fire in your neighborhood, DO NOT

install vinyl siding. It does not hold up in heat.

no but every 5 years theres scraping, sanding and repaiting..

I believe that if a neighbors home has a fire that damages your vinyl sided home the fire insurance will pay for your damages, or your homeowners will cover it.

vinyl siding ends for a lifetime the hassles and costs of repaiting. plus you can get foam insulation board added, to save big bucks on utiity bills
I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.

I've heard aluminum siding interferes with radio reception inside the
house. And maybe OTA tv reception, if the antenna is within the
siding. .

Same for steel.

If you want to check it out, call some of the companies that make radio
and tv antennas.
Never had any radio, tv, or celular reception problems with my
aluminum siding

On Wed, 14 May 2014 09:16:38 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 14 May 2014 07:08:26 -0500, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

We've had stories in the local papers about idiots who used their
barbecue grills, firepits, or turkey fryers right next to their house,
and in the process melted their plastic siding. Some people just don't
think.

... people trying to clean vinyl (siding or windows) with acetone will
damage it. ISTR sun refraction from glass will do the same.
First of all, who in their right mind would clean siding with
ACETONE?????.

wrote:
On Wed, 14 May 2014 07:31:43 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:25:14 AM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

wrote:



I still like aluminum siding a WHOLE lot better than vinyl.



Vinyl is cheap, easy to replace and maintain, but it's also easy to

damage, flutters in high winds, and doesn't give a sense of
confidence

in the overall structure.



I like my houses to have brick siding. Just looks and and feels

solid. Costs more but worth it in my opinion.



Rock is free here just for the pickin' it up ... maybe that's why
they

call it Stone County . My house currently under construction will
have

rock technically Arkansas field stone up to the bottom of the
windows ,

split white oak shakes above . If I can figure out how to make
uniform

splits ... might just have to make use of the machine shop to build
a device

to do that since I know of no one around here doing that . Maybe a

horizontal band saw , that'd leave a nice rough finish .

--

Snag

Should be some "do-it-yourself" on how to split shakes on the 'net.
Takes a froe and mallet plus blocks to split them off of. Not a
hi-tech job.

Aah, here's one:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/w...#axzz31hUMMiI5

Harry K
Shake saws were a common way of making shakes years ago - a circular
saw with a device to set up alternating taper (rip, not crosscut)
cuts.

And I have the tooling and probably most of the materials needed to build a
bandsaw version if needed ... including go-cart wheels and an unused
2-stroke enging w/built-in clutch . Useta power a tiller until I stripped
the worm gear . Bonus if I saw them , grain isn't quite as critical .
--
Snag

On Wed, 14 May 2014 20:26:40 -0400, wrote:


... people trying to clean vinyl (siding or windows) with acetone will
damage it. ISTR sun refraction from glass will do the same.

First of all, who in their right mind would clean siding with
ACETONE?????.

Nobody. I'm not talking about people in their right minds.

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 12:00:19 PM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
Harry K wrote:
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:25:14 AM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:

snip


split white oak shakes above . If I can figure out how to make
uniform splits ... might just have to make use of the machine shop to build
a device to do that since I know of no one around here doing that . Maybe a
horizontal band saw , that'd leave a nice rough finish .

Snag

Should be some "do-it-yourself" on how to split shakes on the 'net.
Takes a froe and mallet plus blocks to split them off of. Not a
hi-tech job.

Aah, here's one:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/w...#axzz31hUMMiI5

Harry K

Thank You ! That link is now saved in my construction stuff bookmark
folder . I don't have a froe , but I have a neighbor that's a blacksmith and
a couple of OCS's . Also have about 12,000 trees , surely I can find enough
straight wood to make a few shakes !

Dunno if it is mentioned in the link but a common way of making a froe starts with a section of leaf spring from a car that has the eye already formed.

Harry K