Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

--

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____________________________

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On 1/31/2014 8:35 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Yes, there have been several expose' about
RFID credit or debit cards. The RFID is often
visible if you really look closely. These can
be scanned by hackers with briefcase size scanners.
If someone sends me RFID card, I'm going to either
punch it with a sheet metal punch, or drill with
a cordless drill. The foil pouches, might work.
Might not.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/31/2014 8:35 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the
video below. Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil
when/if they get RFID.
http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Yes, there have been several expose' about
RFID credit or debit cards. The RFID is often
visible if you really look closely. These can
be scanned by hackers with briefcase size scanners.
If someone sends me RFID card, I'm going to either
punch it with a sheet metal punch, or drill with
a cordless drill. The foil pouches, might work.
Might not.

My debit card came in a sleeve that has a foil layer between 2 layers of
paper . Not sure if it's got an RFID chip or not .
--
Snag

dadiOH wrote:
Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video
below. Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they
get RFID.
http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8cdd/

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:33 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.

On 1/31/2014 10:07 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Yes, there have been several expose' about
RFID credit or debit cards. The RFID is often
visible if you really look closely. These can

My debit card came in a sleeve that has a foil layer between 2 layers of
paper . Not sure if it's got an RFID chip or not .


The expose showed that if you look closely at
the back of the card (might need magnifying
lens) you can see the shadow of the RFID chip,
and sometimes can see the antenna web.
--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 1/31/2014 10:28 AM, Lab Lover wrote:

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.


Hammer and pin punch.
Hammer and phillips screw driver.
Drill with small bit.
Etc....


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 1/31/2014 10:28 AM, Lab Lover wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:33 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.


How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

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On 1/31/2014 11:07 AM, Meanie wrote:

How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

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This isn't email, it's usenet.

Have to cover the RFID antenna area, on both
sides of the card. And probably the edges,
too. So no RF energy gets to the antenna.

You foil tape your chip if you want. I'm going
to use my hole punch and take it right out.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:07:00 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 1/31/2014 10:28 AM, Lab Lover wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:33 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.


How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

---
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You can try it, but as the RFID operates at a very high frequency, the signal
could travel through the edge of the card where there is no foil.

What is wrong with the hammer? It even works on passports and leaves no visible
signs of tampering.

"dadiOH" wrote in message
...

Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video
below. Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get
RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

--

I found it much easier to request cards that contain no RFID chips that the
cards issuers were glad to supply at no charge.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:12:33 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 1/31/2014 11:07 AM, Meanie wrote:

How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

---
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protection is active.
http://www.avast.com


This isn't email, it's usenet.

Have to cover the RFID antenna area, on both
sides of the card. And probably the edges,
too. So no RF energy gets to the antenna.

You foil tape your chip if you want. I'm going
to use my hole punch and take it right out.

Just use some transparent aluminum tape. I think Scotty has some.

On 1/31/2014 7:35 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em


The video made it to snopes
http://www.snopes.com/fraud/identity/pickpocket.asp

A valid security number is not transmitted by RFID. The information
picked up can be used if the security number is not required. It is
probably required for everything online (or when the card is not present).

My understanding is that the cards used in Europe (and coming to the US)
use encryption, so the method in the video wouldn't work. And further,
they use a rolling security code (like a garage door opener). You
shouldn't be able to clone a European card. Card readers are likely to
shift to RFID when those cards are out. The retailer is responsible for
fraudulent charges (instead of the credit card company) if they use a
mag-strip reader when the new cards are out. That should make mag-strip
obsolete. If you have one of those card you may not want to destroy the
RFID feature. (Target started installing readers for these cards and
stopped because other merchants weren't installing them.)

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:46:56 -0800, Lab Lover wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:07:00 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 1/31/2014 10:28 AM, Lab Lover wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:33 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.


How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

---
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http://www.avast.com

You can try it, but as the RFID operates at a very high frequency, the signal
could travel through the edge of the card where there is no foil.

Don't think this is right. If it were a high frequency, they wouldn't
need a multi-loop antenna a third the size of the credit card. Given
the shape antenna, no matter the frequency, any edge radiation will be
miniscule. AFAIK, all credit cars use 13.56MHz.

What is wrong with the hammer? It even works on passports and leaves no visible
signs of tampering.

That sounds like an invitation for a free colonoscopy.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:25:44 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:46:56 -0800, Lab Lover wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:07:00 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 1/31/2014 10:28 AM, Lab Lover wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:33 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.


How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

You can try it, but as the RFID operates at a very high frequency, the signal
could travel through the edge of the card where there is no foil.

Don't think this is right. If it were a high frequency, they wouldn't
need a multi-loop antenna a third the size of the credit card. Given
the shape antenna, no matter the frequency, any edge radiation will be
miniscule. AFAIK, all credit cars use 13.56MHz.

You are right, I was wrong. ISO 14443 13.56mhz


What is wrong with the hammer? It even works on passports and leaves no visible
signs of tampering.

That sounds like an invitation for a free colonoscopy.


Maybe so, but some may enjoy that.

"Lab Lover" wrote in message
...

You are right, I was wrong.

--
that is a habit of yours.

On Friday, January 31, 2014 8:35:33 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:
Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.

Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.



http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em



--



dadiOH

____________________________



Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?

Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?

Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net
___________

There is a holographic field on many credit/debit cards now. Could use that instead of RFID.


What I don't understand is why they are still using magnetic strips on backs of cards.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:28:54 -0500, "BurfordTJustice" wrote:


"Lab Lover" wrote in message
.. .

You are right, I was wrong.

I freely admit when I am wrong, that is true. If only you had 1/100th the
integrity you might receive some respect.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:28:54 -0500, "BurfordTJustice" wrote:

"Lab Lover" wrote in message
.. .

You are right, I was wrong.

--
that is a habit of yours.


I freely admit when I am wrong, that is true. If only you had 1/100th the
integrity you might receive some respect.

On 1/31/2014 12:52 PM, bud-- wrote:

My understanding is that the cards used in Europe (and coming to the US)
use encryption, so the method in the video wouldn't work. And further,
they use a rolling security code (like a garage door opener). You
shouldn't be able to clone a European card. Card readers are likely to
shift to RFID when those cards are out. The retailer is responsible for
fraudulent charges (instead of the credit card company) if they use a
mag-strip reader when the new cards are out. That should make mag-strip
obsolete. If you have one of those card you may not want to destroy the
RFID feature. (Target started installing readers for these cards and
stopped because other merchants weren't installing them.)

If the store can read the card, some hacker can
also. I don't have much confidence in RFID
security. If I ever get one, it's being punched
out.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/31/2014 12:52 PM, bud-- wrote:

My understanding is that the cards used in Europe (and coming to the US)
use encryption, so the method in the video wouldn't work. And further,
they use a rolling security code (like a garage door opener). You
shouldn't be able to clone a European card. Card readers are likely to
shift to RFID when those cards are out. The retailer is responsible for
fraudulent charges (instead of the credit card company) if they use a
mag-strip reader when the new cards are out. That should make mag-strip
obsolete. If you have one of those card you may not want to destroy the
RFID feature. (Target started installing readers for these cards and
stopped because other merchants weren't installing them.)

If the store can read the card, some hacker can
also. I don't have much confidence in RFID
security. If I ever get one, it's being punched
out.

Nah, just punch out the guy that decided to put the RFID chips in the cards.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

On 1/31/14, 12:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/31/2014 12:52 PM, bud-- wrote:

My understanding is that the cards used in Europe (and coming to the US)
use encryption, so the method in the video wouldn't work. And further,
they use a rolling security code (like a garage door opener). You
shouldn't be able to clone a European card. Card readers are likely to
shift to RFID when those cards are out. The retailer is responsible for
fraudulent charges (instead of the credit card company) if they use a
mag-strip reader when the new cards are out. That should make mag-strip
obsolete. If you have one of those card you may not want to destroy the
RFID feature. (Target started installing readers for these cards and
stopped because other merchants weren't installing them.)

If the store can read the card, some hacker can
also. I don't have much confidence in RFID
security. If I ever get one, it's being punched
out.



RFID anything is good to avoid... and difficult to do these days.
They're everywhere, even molded into tires, shoe soles and anywhere else
imaginable.

A while back, VISA gave me an RFID card, I called and asked them to
re-issue it with an RFID free replacement, and they did so. Don't know
if they'll still so, or about other companies, but it's sure worth asking.

Here's some more on RFID... there is a lot more just on Wikipedia alone,
but I don't have time at the moment to search it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rfid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_card

Erik

PS, I once thought I was mistaken, but it turns out I was wrong.

On 1/31/2014 2:48 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/31/2014 12:52 PM, bud-- wrote:

My understanding is that the cards used in Europe (and coming to the US)
use encryption, so the method in the video wouldn't work. And further,
they use a rolling security code (like a garage door opener). You
shouldn't be able to clone a European card. Card readers are likely to
shift to RFID when those cards are out. The retailer is responsible for
fraudulent charges (instead of the credit card company) if they use a
mag-strip reader when the new cards are out. That should make mag-strip
obsolete. If you have one of those card you may not want to destroy the
RFID feature. (Target started installing readers for these cards and
stopped because other merchants weren't installing them.)

If the store can read the card, some hacker can
also. I don't have much confidence in RFID
security. If I ever get one, it's being punched
out.

As I wrote, the European systems has security built in. Credit card
fraud is much lower in Europe.

When the European style credit cards are in use here you may have
trouble finding someone who will take a mag-stripe one.

A couple references with a minimal google search:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...3a8_story.html

http://www.ehow.com/info_8117500_rfi...formation.html

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:55:13 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, January 31, 2014 8:35:33 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:
Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.

Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.



http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em



--



dadiOH

____________________________



Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?

Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?

Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net
___________

There is a holographic field on many credit/debit cards now. Could use that instead of RFID.

There is no information on that hologram. Adding unique holograms
would be rather expensive.

What I don't understand is why they are still using magnetic strips on backs of cards.

Because it works (inertia).

6:55 wrote

"Because it works (Inertia)."


Oh really????


Take one audio cassette. Play it back on a decent deck. Remove the magnetic tape from the shell. Place it in your pants pocket and go about your day. At night, reload the tape into the shell and play that cassette over the deck and see if it sounds as good as it did in the morning.


Now you know what happens to magnetic strips on the backs of cards in MY wallet.

On 01/31/2014 12:25 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:46:56 -0800, Lab Lover wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:07:00 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 1/31/2014 10:28 AM, Lab Lover wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:33 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:


Have you heard about them? If not, you might want to watch the video below.
Me, I'll be wrapping my cards with aluminum foil when/if they get RFID.

http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw%26sns=em

Just destroy the RFID circuit, easy.

Use a hammer and a towel, find the little dimple on the card where the chip is
located, cover the hammerhead with the towel, whack the **** out of the dimple.


How about metal foil tape used for ducts? You could peel a small piece
and stick it over the chip.

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

You can try it, but as the RFID operates at a very high frequency, the signal
could travel through the edge of the card where there is no foil.

Don't think this is right. If it were a high frequency, they wouldn't
need a multi-loop antenna a third the size of the credit card. Given
the shape antenna, no matter the frequency, any edge radiation will be
miniscule. AFAIK, all credit cars use 13.56MHz.

What is wrong with the hammer? It even works on passports and leaves no visible
signs of tampering.

That sounds like an invitation for a free colonoscopy.



I contacted my credit card company and asked for a card without the
chip. They cheerfully complied.

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:01:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

6:55 wrote

"Because it works (Inertia)."


Oh really????


Take one audio cassette. Play it back on a decent deck. Remove the magnetic tape from the shell. Place it in your pants pocket and go about your day. At night, reload the tape into the shell and play that cassette over the deck and see if it sounds as good as it did in the morning.


Now you know what happens to magnetic strips on the backs of cards in MY wallet.
Nonsense. Cards have used high coersivity material for years -
nothing like the the tape in your cassettes. Much more difficult to
erase with stray magnetism.

On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-5, Pat wrote:


Nonsense. Cards have used high coersivity material for years -

nothing like the the tape in your cassettes. Much more difficult to

erase with stray magnetism.
___

How do you think you'd function if someone scraped your face with low-grit sandpaper for hours?


Now do you get it?

A wallet is a very hostile place for magnetic strips.

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 06:55:28 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-5, Pat wrote:


Nonsense. Cards have used high coersivity material for years -

nothing like the the tape in your cassettes. Much more difficult to

erase with stray magnetism.
___

How do you think you'd function if someone scraped your face with low-grit sandpaper for hours?


Now do you get it?

A wallet is a very hostile place for magnetic strips.


Buy a less abrasive wallet. My cards all last through expiration, I carry them
in a card carrier / money clip made by Coach. See:

http://bit.ly/1krRqDx

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:01:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

6:55 wrote

"Because it works (Inertia)."


Oh really????


Take one audio cassette. Play it back on a decent deck. Remove the magnetic tape from the shell. Place it in your pants pocket and go about your day. At night, reload the tape into the shell and play that cassette over the deck and see if it sounds as good as it did in the morning.

Clueless.

Now you know what happens to magnetic strips on the backs of cards in MY wallet.

It must be your personality. Obviously this is a rare occurrence.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:10:45 -0800, Lab Lover wrote:

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 06:55:28 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-5, Pat wrote:


Nonsense. Cards have used high coersivity material for years -

nothing like the the tape in your cassettes. Much more difficult to

erase with stray magnetism.
___

How do you think you'd function if someone scraped your face with low-grit sandpaper for hours?


Now do you get it?

A wallet is a very hostile place for magnetic strips.


Buy a less abrasive wallet. My cards all last through expiration, I carry them
in a card carrier / money clip made by Coach. See:

http://bit.ly/1krRqDx

Right. I just slide them in my wallet, haphazardly. They're stuffed
in three or four to a "compartment". I have had maybe two fail in
forty years. None in the last decade.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:49:32 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:01:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

6:55 wrote

"Because it works (Inertia)."


Oh really????


Take one audio cassette. Play it back on a decent deck. Remove the magnetic tape from the shell. Place it in your pants pocket and go about your day. At night, reload the tape into the shell and play that cassette over the deck and see if it sounds as good as it did in the morning.

Clueless.

Now you know what happens to magnetic strips on the backs of cards in MY wallet.

It must be your personality. Obviously this is a rare occurrence.


Cruel...... :-)

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 08:57:49 -0800, Lab Lover wrote:

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:49:32 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:01:27 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

6:55 wrote

"Because it works (Inertia)."


Oh really????


Take one audio cassette. Play it back on a decent deck. Remove the magnetic tape from the shell. Place it in your pants pocket and go about your day. At night, reload the tape into the shell and play that cassette over the deck and see if it sounds as good as it did in the morning.

Clueless.

Now you know what happens to magnetic strips on the backs of cards in MY wallet.

It must be your personality. Obviously this is a rare occurrence.


Cruel...... :-)

Truth. (though not a null intersection)

11:52 wrote:

"Right. I just slide them in my wallet, haphazardly. They're stuffed
in three or four to a "compartment". "

Same here.

"I have had maybe two fail in
forty years. None in the last decade. "

You're lucky. Often I must swipe a second or third time per the cashier because of inability to read my cards.


The point is, it's 20friggn14! Mag-strips on credit/debit were invented during Vietnam. Time for them to go.

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 14:13:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

11:52 wrote:

"Right. I just slide them in my wallet, haphazardly. They're stuffed
in three or four to a "compartment". "

Same here.

"I have had maybe two fail in
forty years. None in the last decade. "

You're lucky. Often I must swipe a second or third time per the cashier because of inability to read my cards.

No, isn't not something *I* am doing.

The point is, it's 20friggn14! Mag-strips on credit/debit were invented during Vietnam. Time for them to go.

It's very difficult to get rid of something that's working (your
problems aside). Note that many cards today *are* RFID/chipped but
that feature is *not* used. There is a reason for it.

It's known as inertia; critical mass and no compelling force.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 17:22:08 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 14:13:22 -0800 (PST), wrote:

11:52 wrote:

"Right. I just slide them in my wallet, haphazardly. They're stuffed
in three or four to a "compartment". "

Same here.

"I have had maybe two fail in
forty years. None in the last decade. "

You're lucky. Often I must swipe a second or third time per the cashier because of inability to read my cards.

No, isn't not something *I* am doing.

The point is, it's 20friggn14! Mag-strips on credit/debit were invented during Vietnam. Time for them to go.

It's very difficult to get rid of something that's working (your
problems aside). Note that many cards today *are* RFID/chipped but
that feature is *not* used. There is a reason for it.

It's known as inertia; critical mass and no compelling force.

Try swiping the card from bottom to top. This usually works for mine.
Also may put in plastic bag segment and swipe. This weakens an overly
strong and noisy card
--
Mr.E

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Well THAT effective shuts down THIS thread!

smdh...

Well THAT effectively shuts down THIS thread!


smdh...

On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 06:54:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Well THAT effective shuts down THIS thread!

Because you said so? You really are clueless.