I think we should just mark this whole Boston bombing thing up to a couple of amateurs doing something they had absolutely no experience with.

It doesn't matter whether it's playing chess, or playing tennis or playing the piano or doing DIY projects, the more you do of ANYTHING, the better you get at it.

Same thing applies when it comes to committing crimes and investigating them. Criminals are generally amateurs that seldom commit the same serious crime more than a few times before being caught, and the investigators are professionals that have learned HOW to investigate a crime scene and gather evidence from it. I say "serious" because there are lots of petty crimes that the police don't bother even trying to solve; like vandalism or common assaults. But, the point is that it's not at all a level playing field cuz amateur criminals are going to make mistakes cuz of their lack of experience that the investigators are going to pick up on because of their years of experience. And, that explains why the bombers made no real plans for what they would do in the days and weeks after the bombing. They figured they'd play it by ear and just kinda sorta cross that bridge when they came to it, which shows that these guys were absolute amateurs. If they'd ever done this kind of thing even once before, they would have planned for the moment when they saw their pictures on national television even if they hoped and prayed that moment would never come. They would have had a place they could go to where no one knew them and they could change their appearance. They would have had SOME plan of action. But they didn't have anything, and that's par for the course cuz criminals are generally amateurs.

On Apr 23, 5:13*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 22, 12:51*pm, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:









wrote in message

news

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:25:32 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"nestork" wrote in message
...

About those Chechnyan brothers, I'm just glad that it turned out to be a
couple of home grown whackos rather than an attack by an organized
terrorist group like Al Qaeda. *With two close brothers living in the
same city that no one expected of anything, you at least know that they
had a good chance of their plot not being discovered because they had
the advantage of surprise.

If it was an organized terrorist group, it would have meant that all of
the beefed up border and airport security and all the telephone
evesdropping done by Homeland Security isn't effective at stopping an
attack, and that would have emboldened those terrorist groups.

Considering that they supposedly had grenades, one has to wonder where
they
got them and how they paid for them
So we really have no idea who was behind them.
And I'm quite sure, that from what the uncle said this morning, there may
be
some organization that used them as fronts.

Time to bring out the waterboard.

I dunno
I always like asking nicely first.
Surprising how often I got all the info I wanted..
Now granted, Binky the Doberman, who had picked up the bad habit of doing
that flea-hunting thing with it's front teeth , and was doing it slowly and
carefully up the inside of the guy's leg, was merely a distraction.
But whenever, whenever Binky and I did the questioning, we always seemed to
have great success.
I think Binky the Doberman was a rescue dog, and had been abused before it
joined our little group
Just image the *cruelty of someone who would call a Doberman "Binky"....

I really don't think either of them had/have much "smarts" *To pull
off the bombing, be free for 2 days and still be caught almost next
door to the crime? *They don't seem to have had any thought or
planning at all about what to do after the bombing.

If thkey were taught by any terrorist to pull off bombings he is
probably kicking himself for picking such stupid students.

Harry K

Harry K

Heh. They won't give a toss whether they are caught or not.

On Apr 24, 6:08*am, nestork wrote:
Harry:

You're right. *It's pretty obvious that they didn't have any "safe
house" to go to after the bombing where no one would know where they
were so that they could hide until things cooled off.

It doesn't matter whether it's playing chess, or playing tennis or
playing the piano or doing DIY projects, the more of it you do, the
better you get at it.

Same thing applies when it comes to committing crimes and investigating
them. *Criminals are generally amateurs that seldom commit the same
serious crime more than a few times before being caught, and the
investigators are professionals that have learned HOW to investigate a
crime scene and gather evidence from it. *So, it's not at all a level
playing field cuz amateur criminals are going to make mistakes cuz of
their lack of experience that the investigators are going to pick up on
because of their years of experience. *And, that explains why the
bombers made no real plans for what they would do in the days and weeks
after the bombing. *They just figured they'd play it by ear, which is
the kind of dumb decision that any amateur terrorist would make.

--
nestork

Most crimes are solved because criminals have " form".
There was "form" of a sort.
Brown people/muslims, carrying a ruck sack.
They would likely have been stopped in London where there is a history
of that exact thing.
Also people in the UK are wary of abandoned luggage though they were
distracted in Boston by watching the race.
That was the cunning bit on the part of the plotters (the place and
time they struck).

Your police were as usual in the USA parochial. They should pay
attention to what happens abroad, these guys would have stuck out like
a sore thumb in the UK.

So, your local security should have caught them. They were
incompetent. I expect they were watching the race too.

Somebody quick off the mark here I see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_bombing

On Apr 24, 5:14*am, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 23, 3:20*pm, "
wrote:









On Apr 23, 12:13*pm, Harry K wrote:

On Apr 22, 12:51*pm, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

wrote in message

news

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:25:32 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"nestork" wrote in message
...

About those Chechnyan brothers, I'm just glad that it turned out to be a
couple of home grown whackos rather than an attack by an organized
terrorist group like Al Qaeda. *With two close brothers living in the
same city that no one expected of anything, you at least know that they
had a good chance of their plot not being discovered because they had
the advantage of surprise.

If it was an organized terrorist group, it would have meant that all of
the beefed up border and airport security and all the telephone
evesdropping done by Homeland Security isn't effective at stopping an
attack, and that would have emboldened those terrorist groups.

Considering that they supposedly had grenades, one has to wonder where
they
got them and how they paid for them
So we really have no idea who was behind them.
And I'm quite sure, that from what the uncle said this morning, there may
be
some organization that used them as fronts.

Time to bring out the waterboard.

I dunno
I always like asking nicely first.
Surprising how often I got all the info I wanted..
Now granted, Binky the Doberman, who had picked up the bad habit of doing
that flea-hunting thing with it's front teeth , and was doing it slowly and
carefully up the inside of the guy's leg, was merely a distraction.
But whenever, whenever Binky and I did the questioning, we always seemed to
have great success.
I think Binky the Doberman was a rescue dog, and had been abused before it
joined our little group
Just image the *cruelty of someone who would call a Doberman "Binky"...

I really don't think either of them had/have much "smarts" *To pull
off the bombing, be free for 2 days and still be caught almost next
door to the crime? *They don't seem to have had any thought or
planning at all about what to do after the bombing.

If thkey were taught by any terrorist to pull off bombings he is
probably kicking himself for picking such stupid students.

Why would a terrorist who trained them be displeased?
The older brother was in Dagestan for 6 months last year,
so if they received training, it was almost certainly he who
was trained. *He's dead and can't give up anybody who
trained him. *Even if that were not the case, a lot of the
terrorists don't give a damn anyway. *They think
being in Chechnya or Pakistan makes it very hard to
get them and even if we do, they still don't seem to
care that much. *The brothers conducted a very successful
terrorist attack on a major US city and event, that
killed 4, seriously injured 150, left many amputees, etc.
It's the most successful attack here since 911. *So,
I think they would actually be celebrating the success.

Nobody is saying that the BOMBING was not a success.

Do YOU think they displayed any planning for afterward?

Harry K

I think the "Lockdown" caught them out. It may have prevented them
from travelling.
Also, they should have had some superficial disguise to prevent ID by
CCTV and a nearby "safe house/place" and change of clothing.
They showed very little imagination or foresight. You can pick up
elementary stuff like this off the TV.
Or they didn't give a toss, paradise was waiting.
Or maybe someone let them down. The SA fellow maybe.
It was pure luck the guy in the boat was caught, though once IDed he
had little chance of escape as an amateur without help.

But whoever organised this, it was a huge success for them.
The USA has supported Chechens in the past because they were against
Russia. Maybe they aught to be co-operating with the Russians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_...of_the_manhunt

BTW. Dunno if is has been reported over there but here it is reported
that the Russians notified the FBI that this guy was a danger months
ago.

"Harry K" wrote in message
...
On Apr 23, 11:43 am, harry wrote:
On Apr 23, 5:13 pm, Harry K wrote:

If thkey were taught by any terrorist to pull off bombings he is
probably kicking himself for picking such stupid students.

So how would you have done it then?
#
# I for sure wouild have had a plan for myi escape. Even on foot, given
# 48 hours, I wouild have been along way away.
#
# Now just how would you have conducted yourself? Given your posts you
# probably would have been dancing and cheering right at the scene.
#

I managed to catch the Phill Mudd, former CIA deputy director, on Charlie
Rose, last night (Tuesday).
Similar comment that they had no escape tragedy
He gave an interesting analogy, of comparing terrorists to spiders, and
looking for the spider web or webs they are "attached" to..
In this case he doubted that there was any "spider web" behind them.
Two amateurs who were so immersed in the act, that they never thought about
"what next", and so had no exit plan.

"Harry K" wrote in message
...
On Apr 23, 3:20 pm, "
wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:13 pm, Harry K wrote:



Why would a terrorist who trained them be displeased?
The older brother was in Dagestan for 6 months last year,
so if they received training, it was almost certainly he who
was trained. He's dead and can't give up anybody who
trained him. Even if that were not the case, a lot of the
terrorists don't give a damn anyway. They think
being in Chechnya or Pakistan makes it very hard to
get them and even if we do, they still don't seem to
care that much. The brothers conducted a very successful
terrorist attack on a major US city and event, that
killed 4, seriously injured 150, left many amputees, etc.
It's the most successful attack here since 911. So,
I think they would actually be celebrating the success.
#
# Nobody is saying that the BOMBING was not a success.
#
# Do YOU think they displayed any planning for afterward?
#

The tragedy is that the over-response by the government made it a bigger
success than it deserved

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/boston-afterthoughts-did-a-hunt-for-two-people-require-the-city-and-its-suburbs-to-shut-down
http://www.infowars.com/shocking-footage-americans-ordered-out-of-homes-at-gunpoint-by-swat-teams/

One has to wonder who was the REAL recipient of this message of overwhelming
force and abuse of civil rights.

"harry" wrote in message
...
BTW. Dunno if is has been reported over there but here it is reported
that the Russians notified the FBI that this guy was a danger months
ago.



Not from the published reports
They asked the FBI to look into him

On Apr 24, 12:14*am, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 23, 3:20*pm, "
wrote:





On Apr 23, 12:13*pm, Harry K wrote:

On Apr 22, 12:51*pm, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

wrote in message

news

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:25:32 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

"nestork" wrote in message
...

About those Chechnyan brothers, I'm just glad that it turned out to be a
couple of home grown whackos rather than an attack by an organized
terrorist group like Al Qaeda. *With two close brothers living in the
same city that no one expected of anything, you at least know that they
had a good chance of their plot not being discovered because they had
the advantage of surprise.

If it was an organized terrorist group, it would have meant that all of
the beefed up border and airport security and all the telephone
evesdropping done by Homeland Security isn't effective at stopping an
attack, and that would have emboldened those terrorist groups.

Considering that they supposedly had grenades, one has to wonder where
they
got them and how they paid for them
So we really have no idea who was behind them.
And I'm quite sure, that from what the uncle said this morning, there may
be
some organization that used them as fronts.

Time to bring out the waterboard.

I dunno
I always like asking nicely first.
Surprising how often I got all the info I wanted..
Now granted, Binky the Doberman, who had picked up the bad habit of doing
that flea-hunting thing with it's front teeth , and was doing it slowly and
carefully up the inside of the guy's leg, was merely a distraction.
But whenever, whenever Binky and I did the questioning, we always seemed to
have great success.
I think Binky the Doberman was a rescue dog, and had been abused before it
joined our little group
Just image the *cruelty of someone who would call a Doberman "Binky"...

I really don't think either of them had/have much "smarts" *To pull
off the bombing, be free for 2 days and still be caught almost next
door to the crime? *They don't seem to have had any thought or
planning at all about what to do after the bombing.

If thkey were taught by any terrorist to pull off bombings he is
probably kicking himself for picking such stupid students.

Why would a terrorist who trained them be displeased?
The older brother was in Dagestan for 6 months last year,
so if they received training, it was almost certainly he who
was trained. *He's dead and can't give up anybody who
trained him. *Even if that were not the case, a lot of the
terrorists don't give a damn anyway. *They think
being in Chechnya or Pakistan makes it very hard to
get them and even if we do, they still don't seem to
care that much. *The brothers conducted a very successful
terrorist attack on a major US city and event, that
killed 4, seriously injured 150, left many amputees, etc.
It's the most successful attack here since 911. *So,
I think they would actually be celebrating the success.

Nobody is saying that the BOMBING was not a success.

Do YOU think they displayed any planning for afterward?

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


But you're claiming that if they were trained, those that
trained them would be displeased. If the attack is a success,
then they did achieve what they were trained to do.
What makes you think they cared about "after"? For the typical
Muslim terrorist at their level, "after" is dying a marter and going
to heaven,
which they cherish. One terrorist accomplished that and the
other came very close. As far as planning
for afterward, we still don't know what they were up to. You seem
to think because you would want to escape, that was what they
should have had in mind. It looks like they had other ideas.
Had they not had that encounter with
the MIT cop, they might have used that pressure cooker bomb
that they had with them somewhere and killed more people.

There are a bunch of unanswered questions. Like what were
they doing at MIT? What was the "disturbance call" that is
supposed to have brought the MIT cop to the Stata Building at
MIT? Why did they shoot him when he had not even gotten
out of the car.

And I've said this before. I find it very odd that according to
the police these two bombers just happened to be at a 7-Eleven
store a few blocks from where the MIT cop was shot
at about the same time an armed robbery occured. Yet the
police say they were not involved..... That's after they spent a
day saying they were involved. And the police don't have
a big manhunt on to find whoever did rob the 7-11? Wouldn't you want
to find that person to make sure they were not involved with the
bombers? It's just seems like one hell of a coincidence to
me that these two would be at a 7-11, loaded up with bombs,
on their way to killing a cop and a hijacking and for that 7-11
armed robbery to be totally unrelated.

On Apr 24, 1:08*am, nestork wrote:
Harry:

You're right. *It's pretty obvious that they didn't have any "safe
house" to go to after the bombing where no one would know where they
were so that they could hide until things cooled off.

It doesn't matter whether it's playing chess, or playing tennis or
playing the piano or doing DIY projects, the more of it you do, the
better you get at it.

How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? You watch the news much? You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?






Same thing applies when it comes to committing crimes and investigating
them. *Criminals are generally amateurs that seldom commit the same
serious crime more than a few times before being caught, and the
investigators are professionals that have learned HOW to investigate a
crime scene and gather evidence from it. *So, it's not at all a level
playing field cuz amateur criminals are going to make mistakes cuz of
their lack of experience that the investigators are going to pick up on
because of their years of experience. *And, that explains why the
bombers made no real plans for what they would do in the days and weeks
after the bombing. *They just figured they'd play it by ear, which is
the kind of dumb decision that any amateur terrorist would make.

--
nestork

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

On 4/24/2013 5:35 AM, Attila Iskander wrote:
"Harry K" wrote in message
...
On Apr 23, 3:20 pm, "
wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:13 pm, Harry K wrote:



Why would a terrorist who trained them be displeased?
The older brother was in Dagestan for 6 months last year,
so if they received training, it was almost certainly he who
was trained. He's dead and can't give up anybody who
trained him. Even if that were not the case, a lot of the
terrorists don't give a damn anyway. They think
being in Chechnya or Pakistan makes it very hard to
get them and even if we do, they still don't seem to
care that much. The brothers conducted a very successful
terrorist attack on a major US city and event, that
killed 4, seriously injured 150, left many amputees, etc.
It's the most successful attack here since 911. So,
I think they would actually be celebrating the success.
#
# Nobody is saying that the BOMBING was not a success.
#
# Do YOU think they displayed any planning for afterward?
#

The tragedy is that the over-response by the government made it a bigger
success than it deserved

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/boston-afterthoughts-did-a-hunt-for-two-people-require-the-city-and-its-suburbs-to-shut-down
http://www.infowars.com/shocking-footage-americans-ordered-out-of-homes-at-gunpoint-by-swat-teams/

One has to wonder who was the REAL recipient of this message of
overwhelming force and abuse of civil rights.


Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

On Apr 24, 6:38*am, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

BTW. Dunno if is has been reported over there but here it is reported
that the Russians notified the FBI that this guy was a danger months
ago.

Not from the published reports
They asked the FBI to look into him

Actually from everything I've seen so far, no one has
said exactly what the Russians told the FBI.
The most I've heard is they are supposed to have said that
he had ties to Muslim extremists.

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after their attack. That's something that the authorities have a lot of trouble dealing with.

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. I said that being amateurs they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in every new endevour they try. They carried out a successful attack largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a powerful bomb. What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to evade capture after the attack, and that's something the younger one is realizing they should have made. That is, now he's learned from experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such a plan in place.

I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada. Experienced investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the bombers to do. And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

On Apr 24, 8:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.



Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack, and that's something the younger one is
realizing they should have made. *That is, now he's learned from
experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such
a plan in place.

I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was
asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like
Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada. *Experienced
investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the
bombers to do. *And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe
house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half
an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans
to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

--
nestork

Another of the "dumb stunts" was having to shoot a cop to get another
gun. How hard would it hae been to just buy one, or if they couldn't
steal one, or get one off the 'street'. I'm beginning to wonder just
how much planning they actually did.

Harry K

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 00:22:19 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:


Your police were as usual in the USA parochial.

Is that why former LAPD Chief Bill Bratton went to London to get
control of your riots?

On Apr 24, 11:36*am, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:12*am, nestork wrote:





[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack, and that's something the younger one is
realizing they should have made. *That is, now he's learned from
experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such
a plan in place.

I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was
asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like
Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada. *Experienced
investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the
bombers to do. *And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe
house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half
an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans
to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

--
nestork

Another of the "dumb stunts" was having to shoot a cop to get another
gun. *How hard would it hae been to just buy one, or if they couldn't
steal one, or get one off the 'street'. *I'm beginning to wonder just
how much planning they actually did.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

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Who said they shot the MIT cop to get another gun?
That is the first time I've heard that. So far, there has been
remarkably little said about how they came into contact with
the MIT cop, what they were up to, who called the cop, for
what, etc.....

On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.



Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.


and that's something the younger one is
realizing they should have made.

How do you know that he's not OK with the fact that they
accomplished their mission, he got notoriety around the
world and that he doesn't really care
that he's caught? What's the govt gonna do? Give him the
death penalty? Per the 9-11 hijackers and so many terrorists,
they are perfectly willing to sacrifice themselves.




That is, now he's learned from
experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such
a plan in place.

Not if he doesn't care. Did the 9-11 hijackers have such a plan?
The hundreds of suicide bombers?



I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was
asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like
Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada.

If you have any sense up there, you should already be watching
out for those types. Unless you suscribe to the politically correct
nonsense that we should be searching babies and 80 year olds
in wheel chairs.




*Experienced
investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the
bombers to do. *And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe
house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half
an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

According to you. I say it's at least equally probably that they
don't give a ****.





But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans
to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

--
nestork

Neither does any attacker if you're you don't care about dying
or going off to prison.

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

No. These were voluntary evacuations with SWAT merely escorting them to
safety. Just like the stay at home "orders" were a request.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Apr 24, 11:36*am, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:12*am, nestork wrote:





[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack, and that's something the younger one is
realizing they should have made. *That is, now he's learned from
experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such
a plan in place.

I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was
asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like
Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada. *Experienced
investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the
bombers to do. *And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe
house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half
an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans
to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

--
nestork

Another of the "dumb stunts" was having to shoot a cop to get another
gun. *How hard would it hae been to just buy one, or if they couldn't
steal one, or get one off the 'street'. *I'm beginning to wonder just
how much planning they actually did.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who said they shot the MIT cop to get another gun?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/2...-needed-a-gun/

That is the first time I've heard that. So far, there has been
remarkably little said about how they came into contact with
the MIT cop, what they were up to, who called the cop, for
what, etc.....

Apparently he was sitting in his car.

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.



Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.

This was *obviously* not a suicide attack.

On Apr 24, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.

This was *obviously* not a suicide attack.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I never said it was. Only that just like with a suicide attack,
the terrorists may be willing to sacrifice themselves for the
cause and may not give a **** about getting caught.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 4/24/2013 5:35 AM, Attila Iskander wrote:
"Harry K" wrote in message
...
On Apr 23, 3:20 pm, "
wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:13 pm, Harry K wrote:



Why would a terrorist who trained them be displeased?
The older brother was in Dagestan for 6 months last year,
so if they received training, it was almost certainly he who
was trained. He's dead and can't give up anybody who
trained him. Even if that were not the case, a lot of the
terrorists don't give a damn anyway. They think
being in Chechnya or Pakistan makes it very hard to
get them and even if we do, they still don't seem to
care that much. The brothers conducted a very successful
terrorist attack on a major US city and event, that
killed 4, seriously injured 150, left many amputees, etc.
It's the most successful attack here since 911. So,
I think they would actually be celebrating the success.
#
# Nobody is saying that the BOMBING was not a success.
#
# Do YOU think they displayed any planning for afterward?
#

The tragedy is that the over-response by the government made it a bigger
success than it deserved


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/boston-afterthoughts-did-a-hunt-for-two-people-require-the-city-and-its-suburbs-to-shut-down

http://www.infowars.com/shocking-footage-americans-ordered-out-of-homes-at-gunpoint-by-swat-teams/

One has to wonder who was the REAL recipient of this message of
overwhelming force and abuse of civil rights.


Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O


If you look at what happened in New Orleans after Katrina, where the police
had no problems entering a home unasked,and then assaulting an old woman for
"her own good" so the could 'evacuate her"
Then, it follows that anyone who would object to what happened in Boston
would be a serious risk of injury and death at the hands of the police.

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Apr 24, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.

This was *obviously* not a suicide attack.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I never said it was. Only that just like with a suicide attack,
the terrorists may be willing to sacrifice themselves for the
cause and may not give a **** about getting caught.

How do you get that? They *were* trying to escape. Good grief,
you're dense.

On Apr 24, 1:51*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.

This was *obviously* not a suicide attack.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I never said it was. *Only that just like with a suicide attack,
the terrorists may be willing to sacrifice themselves for the
cause and may not give a **** about getting caught.

How do you get that? *They *were* trying to escape. *Good grief,
you're dense.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, good grief, you're making all kinds of assumptions
and starting with the usual name calling when anyone
disagrees with you. What makes you think they were
"escaping"? If they were just out to escape, why would
they have all kinds of bombs with them when they were
at MIT? The media reported that in Watertown, the older
brother came out directly at police and that he had a bomb
strapped to himself. There were reports that the bomb
went off and that he may have died from that, from being
run over or from police shots. That sounds more like
two guys who didn't give a damn. If they killed some more
people that was OK. If the went down in a blaze of glory
that was OK. If they eluded police, at least temporarily
so they could achieve more mayhem, that was probably
OK too. If they wanted to "escape" all they had to do was
drive anywhere they wanted to go. There were no road blocks
leaving the Boston area. Good grief, indeed.

In article ,
wrote:


How do you get that? They *were* trying to escape. Good grief,
you're dense.

They had better than three days to get out of town. I don't think they
were trying to escape before the pics came out and quite along while
afterwards. Heck even after the pics came out, they had a few hours to
get on the road to Mexico or any number of other places where they could
have hidden. The carjacking ended up with them just driving in circles
for a few hours before they even came to the attention of the cops.

I don't think they were trying to escape, but largely because I think
they hadn't just thought things through that far. It wasn't the desire
for virgins in paradise as much as plain, old fashioned stupidity.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:34:37 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O


If you look at what happened in New Orleans after Katrina, where the police
had no problems entering a home unasked,and then assaulting an old woman for
"her own good" so the could 'evacuate her"
Then, it follows that anyone who would object to what happened in Boston
would be a serious risk of injury and death at the hands of the police.

NOLA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLm5kkBgKSM&feature=player_embedded

No doubt some Hollywood producers are waiting for the younger brother to regain consiousness so that they can sign a book and movie deal.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:13:51 PM UTC-4, Harry K wrote:
I really don't think either of them had/have much "smarts" To pull
off the bombing, be free for 2 days and still be caught almost next
door to the crime? They don't seem to have had any thought or
planning at all about what to do after the bombing.

Again with the head-scratching, wondering why these two weren't acting like CRIMINALS?

It's because they were TERRORISTS!

Terrorists are not criminals. They do not think like criminals. They do not act like criminals. They have a completely different agenda.

Terrorists have a message they want to send, and they want to make sure everyone knows who sent it.

Criminals are in it for the thrill of the crime.

The only thing that didn't go perfectly to plan was that the second brother wasn't made a martyr in a hail of gunfire.

On 4/24/2013 12:03 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

No. These were voluntary evacuations with SWAT merely escorting them to
safety. Just like the stay at home "orders" were a request.


Voluntary evacuations don't need someone pointing a machine gun at you
to get you to comply. There is also no need for you to put your hands
behind your head during a voluntary evacuation. Perhaps in the Communist
country you wish to live in this is true? ^_^

TDD

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:52:37 +0200, nestork
wrote:


No doubt some Hollywood producers are waiting for the younger brother to
regain consiousness so that they can sign a book and movie deal.

Um, was he un conscience when he wrote answers to federal agents?

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 4/24/2013 12:03 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

No. These were voluntary evacuations with SWAT merely escorting them to
safety. Just like the stay at home "orders" were a request.


Voluntary evacuations don't need someone pointing a machine gun at you
to get you to comply. There is also no need for you to put your hands
behind your head during a voluntary evacuation. Perhaps in the Communist
country you wish to live in this is true? ^_^

You have any indications this happened? I haven't seen it. I'd be
happy to see EVIDENCE to the contrary.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On 4/24/2013 3:35 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 4/24/2013 12:03 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

No. These were voluntary evacuations with SWAT merely escorting them to
safety. Just like the stay at home "orders" were a request.


Voluntary evacuations don't need someone pointing a machine gun at you
to get you to comply. There is also no need for you to put your hands
behind your head during a voluntary evacuation. Perhaps in the Communist
country you wish to live in this is true? ^_^

You have any indications this happened? I haven't seen it. I'd be
happy to see EVIDENCE to the contrary.


OK, o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8

http://tinyurl.com/czxodue

http://tinyurl.com/bqr4stz

Is that enough? ^_^

TDD

On Apr 24, 2:33*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
wrote:



How do you get that? *They *were* trying to escape. *Good grief,
you're dense.

They had better than three days to get out of town. I don't think they
were trying to escape before the pics came out and quite along while
afterwards. Heck even after the pics came out, they had a few hours to
get on the road to Mexico or any number of other places where they could
have hidden. *The carjacking ended up with them just driving in circles
for a few hours before they even came to the attention of the cops.

I don't think they were trying to escape, but largely because I think
they hadn't just thought things through that far. It wasn't the desire
for virgins in paradise as much as plain, old fashioned stupidity.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

From the 6 O'Clock news, they are saying the bomber in the
hospital has now told police that they were going to nyc to
party. Not saying I believe that, but it's sure a lot closer to my
theory that maybe they just didn't give a damn, then
that they were trying to flee. It's hard to imagine that anyone
could be so dumb that they would think they could go to
nyc and party and not be recognized.

Another aspect that hasn't come up at all is the possibility that
they were on drugs of some kind. Other interesting developments:

Police are now looking into a 2 year old triple homicide that has
so far been unsolved. Victims were in their 20's, killed in a brutal
slaying with slashed throats. Turns out one of those killed was
a best friend of Tamerlan. Tamerlan was noticeably absent at
the funeral. Oh, and the murder took place on 9-11.

The bomber's mother in Dagastan, who insists her sons are
innocent, flew off the handle in an interview with reporters.
Said something to the effect that her remaining son is innocent.
But the older one is dead and I don't care if this one dies too.
They can kill him right now. And I will be shouting Alla Akhbar!
(or whatever that God is great thing that Muslims love so much
as a battle cry.....)

On Apr 24, 9:27*am, "
wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:36*am, Harry K wrote:





On Apr 24, 8:12*am, nestork wrote:

[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack, and that's something the younger one is
realizing they should have made. *That is, now he's learned from
experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such
a plan in place.

I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was
asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like
Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada. *Experienced
investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the
bombers to do. *And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe
house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half
an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans
to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

--
nestork

Another of the "dumb stunts" was having to shoot a cop to get another
gun. *How hard would it hae been to just buy one, or if they couldn't
steal one, or get one off the 'street'. *I'm beginning to wonder just
how much planning they actually did.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who said they shot the MIT cop to get another gun?
That is the first time I've heard that. *So far, there has been
remarkably little said about how they came into contact with
the MIT cop, what they were up to, who called the cop, for
what, etc.....

Was on the news last night. Survivor supposedly said that they onlyh
spent a week plannning it. I wonder how that time works with when
they bought the pyrotechnics to get the powder charges.

Harry K

On Apr 24, 10:51*am, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.

This was *obviously* not a suicide attack.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I never said it was. *Only that just like with a suicide attack,
the terrorists may be willing to sacrifice themselves for the
cause and may not give a **** about getting caught.

How do you get that? *They *were* trying to escape. *Good grief,
you're dense.

I'm beginning to think "dense" is too mild.

Harry K

On Apr 24, 1:35*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*The Daring Dufas wrote:





On 4/24/2013 12:03 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
* The Daring Dufas wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

No. These were voluntary evacuations with SWAT merely escorting them to
safety. Just like the stay at home "orders" were a request.

Voluntary evacuations don't need someone pointing a machine gun at you
to get you to comply. There is also no need for you to put your hands
behind your head during a voluntary evacuation. Perhaps in the Communist
country you wish to live in this is true? ^_^

* *You have any indications this happened? I haven't seen it. I'd be
happy to see EVIDENCE to the contrary.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

Now you don't want to ruin his wet dreams do you?

Harry K

On Apr 24, 6:44*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 24, 10:51*am, wrote:





On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On Apr 24, 11:12*am, nestork wrote:
[_2_ Wrote:

;3052257']
How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack,

You're assuming that they cared, that evading was on their agenda.
With most of these terrorist attacks, including the worst one of all,
9-11, that was not a concern.

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I never said it was. *Only that just like with a suicide attack,
the terrorists may be willing to sacrifice themselves for the
cause and may not give a **** about getting caught.

How do you get that? *They *were* trying to escape. *Good grief,
you're dense.

I'm beginning to think "dense" is too mild.

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So, you're now one of the terrorist mind readers now too, eh?
You claim to know for a fact that they cared about getting caught
and just didn't plan right?
From the news tonight, they said the surviving bomber has now
told police that they were going to Manhattan to "party". Note
that the hijack victim also said they mentioned Manhattan. How
does going to nyc to party square with the "escape" version?
It does fit nicely with my suggestion that like so many of these
Muslim terrorists, maybe they just didn't give a damn about getting
caught.

On Apr 24, 6:42*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 24, 9:27*am, "
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On Apr 24, 11:36*am, Harry K wrote:

On Apr 24, 8:12*am, nestork wrote:

[_2_ Wrote:

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How much better at it does the typical Muslim suicide bomber
get? * You watch the news much? *You're making the huge assumption
that because you want to escape and go hide, that these terrorists
have the same objective. *In most cases, the operatives at the
level of these bombers don't have that objective. *They are OK
with dying a marter and going off to heaven. *One of these terrorists
achieved that, the second came very close. *Or they want to go
out in a blaze of glory, getting more recognition and coverage.
They achieved that too, didn't they?

The great advantage that a suicide bomber and kamikaze pilot have is
that they don't have to bother making a plan to elude capture after
their attack. *That's something that the authorities have a lot of
trouble dealing with.

Again, if they are so dumb, why are 4 people dead and 150 injured in
the biggest attack on US soil since 9-11?

Oh, I never said those bombers were dumb. *I said that being amateurs
they were prone to make dumb mistakes just like every amateur does in
every new endevour they try. *They carried out a successful attack
largely because they had the element of surprise on their side and a
powerful bomb. *What they didn't have was any sort of well laid plan to
evade capture after the attack, and that's something the younger one is
realizing they should have made. *That is, now he's learned from
experience, and if he ever does this kinda thing again, he'll have such
a plan in place.

I fully expect that's the reason why our Canadian border security was
asked to watch out for black haired brown eyed males with names like
Mohammad and Farouk wanting to take a vacation in Canada. *Experienced
investigators knew that would have been the smartest thing for the
bombers to do. *And, my point is that the reason they didn't have a safe
house to lay low at or airline tickets in hand to get out of Boston half
an hour after the bombing was because of their lack of experience.

But, you're point that suicide bombers don't have to bother with plans
to evade capture after they attack is well taken.

--
nestork

Another of the "dumb stunts" was having to shoot a cop to get another
gun. *How hard would it hae been to just buy one, or if they couldn't
steal one, or get one off the 'street'. *I'm beginning to wonder just
how much planning they actually did.

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Who said they shot the MIT cop to get another gun?
That is the first time I've heard that. *So far, there has been
remarkably little said about how they came into contact with
the MIT cop, what they were up to, who called the cop, for
what, etc.....

Was on the news last night. *Survivor supposedly said that they onlyh
spent a week plannning it. *I wonder how that time works with when
they bought the pyrotechnics to get the powder charges.

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WHAT? There's a lot of baseless conjecture there and
you're forming conspiracy theories. That's what you accused
me of when I pointed out that the two bombers just happening
to be in a 7-11 about the time of an armed robbery that also
happened to coincide with their killing of the MIT cop, their own
armed robbery and final spree, raised questions.

On Apr 24, 4:04*pm, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:13:51 PM UTC-4, Harry K wrote:
I really don't think either of them had/have much "smarts" *To pull
off the bombing, be free for 2 days and still be caught almost next
door to the crime? *They don't seem to have had any thought or
planning at all about what to do after the bombing.

Again with the head-scratching, wondering why these two weren't acting like CRIMINALS?

It's because they were TERRORISTS!

Terrorists are not criminals. They do not think like criminals. They do not act like criminals. They have a completely different agenda.

Terrorists have a message they want to send, and they want to make sure everyone knows who sent it.

Criminals are in it for the thrill of the crime.

The only thing that didn't go perfectly to plan was that the second brother wasn't made a martyr in a hail of gunfire.

Dennis, good to see someone here gets it. I've been trying to get
that point across, but I'm accused of being "dense". No one knows
what they were thinking , but part of it could be that like all these
Muslim terrorists, they were willing to sacrifice themselves by either
dying
or going to prison and taking as many others with them as possible.

On 4/24/2013 5:47 PM, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 24, 1:35 pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:





On 4/24/2013 12:03 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

Would the police have killed the people if they refused to comply and
leave their home? I have to wonder. o_O

TDD

No. These were voluntary evacuations with SWAT merely escorting them to
safety. Just like the stay at home "orders" were a request.

Voluntary evacuations don't need someone pointing a machine gun at you
to get you to comply. There is also no need for you to put your hands
behind your head during a voluntary evacuation. Perhaps in the Communist
country you wish to live in this is true? ^_^

You have any indications this happened? I haven't seen it. I'd be
happy to see EVIDENCE to the contrary.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

Now you don't want to ruin his wet dreams do you?

Harry K


I'm not going to be nasty to him about it, I just provided some links. I
was poking a little fun at him and I hope he took it that way. ^_^

TDD