I am frustrated. I have a situation here at home that causes me to
have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. I never should have bought
the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done
deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained. The cleanups
are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent for
this old man care giver.

I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X
8'. So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like
laying on the rugs. That causes a dangerous situation that is very
dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.

Anyone suggest an alternative? How about plastic runners? Do they
have similar problems?

The Apeman

On 1/15/2013 5:58 AM, Ape wrote:
I am frustrated. I have a situation here at home that causes me to
have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. I never should have bought
the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done
deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained. The cleanups
are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent for
this old man care giver.

I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X
8'. So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like
laying on the rugs. That causes a dangerous situation that is very
dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.

Anyone suggest an alternative? How about plastic runners? Do they
have similar problems?

The Apeman


I'm a retired nurse, and old enough to have become more aware of
trip/fall hazards. I've taken care of many, many people with broken
hips, and the number one cause is trying to get to the bathroom in a
hurry. If you are caring for someone with limited ability, safety has
to be your primary concern. I don't think that anything on top of a
plush carpet is going to be safe....don't risk your safety or that of
the other person to save a carpet! )

If the soil problem is from incontinence, are special garments being
used? Are we talking whole-house or one room? It is conceiveable to
have a runner sewn down on top of wtw by a carpet installer, but seems
it would just make a more difficult to clean area. Might be better to
bite the bullet...have the plush taken up and stored for later
reinstallation, then get some resilient, vinyl flooring that can take a
beating and not be an entirely hard surface (like tile) in case of
falls. The slip factor needs to be addressed, should it become wet.

Ape wrote:

I am frustrated. I have a situation here at home that causes me to
have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. I never should have bought
the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done
deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained.

Why? Once they are stained it is easy to justify replacement-- with
something better for you and your house.

The cleanups
are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent for
this old man care giver.

I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X
8'. So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like
laying on the rugs. That causes a dangerous situation that is very
dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.

Anyone suggest an alternative? How about plastic runners? Do they
have similar problems?

Cover the whole thing with an area rug that you can hire some guy to
roll up and clean every so often.

Or rip the damn carpet out and put in a proper floor that you can care
for. No high traffic area should have carpet unless you have a maid
to chase every speck of dirt as it gets tracked in.

Jim

On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:58:55 AM UTC-5, Ape wrote:
I am frustrated. I have a situation here at home that causes me to

have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. I never should have bought

the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done

deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained. The cleanups

are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent for

this old man care giver.



I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X

8'. So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like

laying on the rugs. That causes a dangerous situation that is very

dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.



Anyone suggest an alternative? How about plastic runners? Do they

have similar problems?



The Apeman

You do use carpet grippers right? They are fairly cheap and easy to cut with scissors. Some people who are worried about flooring damage lay plywood down during construction. Apeman, maybe your grand children are animals like a lot of these rich spoiled drugged plutocrats. Or you can cover it with plastic during your bondage parties.

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:28:22 -0800 (PST), US Judges are the enemy
wrote:



You do use carpet grippers right? They are fairly cheap and easy to cut with scissors. Some people who are worried about flooring damage lay plywood down during construction. Apeman, maybe your grand children are animals like a lot of these rich spoiled drugged plutocrats. Or you can cover it with plastic during your bondage parties.


Yes, but they were the tape type, and sticky ONLY on one side. So the
tape did no good.

Apeman

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:48:58 -0500, Norminn
wrote:



I'm a retired nurse, and old enough to have become more aware of
trip/fall hazards. I've taken care of many, many people with broken
hips, and the number one cause is trying to get to the bathroom in a
hurry. If you are caring for someone with limited ability, safety has
to be your primary concern. I don't think that anything on top of a
plush carpet is going to be safe....don't risk your safety or that of
the other person to save a carpet! )

OK

Problem is the wife who is semi-invalid, with dementia and
incontinence and diarrhea, the last being a main problem.


If the soil problem is from incontinence, are special garments being
used? Are we talking whole-house or one room? It is conceiveable to
have a runner sewn down on top of wtw by a carpet installer, but seems
it would just make a more difficult to clean area. Might be better to
bite the bullet...have the plush taken up and stored for later
reinstallation, then get some resilient, vinyl flooring that can take a
beating and not be an entirely hard surface (like tile) in case of
falls. The slip factor needs to be addressed, should it become wet.


Apeman

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:14:14 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:


Cover the whole thing with an area rug that you can hire some guy to
roll up and clean every so often.

Or rip the damn carpet out and put in a proper floor that you can care
for. No high traffic area should have carpet unless you have a maid
to chase every speck of dirt as it gets tracked in.

Jim


I wonder if an area rug, it being wider than a runner, say 8X10, would
stay down when laying on my plush carpet. Would probable look like
Hell.

Apeman

Ape wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:28:22 -0800 (PST), US Judges are the enemy
wrote:



You do use carpet grippers right? They are fairly cheap and easy to
cut with scissors. Some people who are worried about flooring damage
lay plywood down during construction. Apeman, maybe your grand
children are animals like a lot of these rich spoiled drugged
plutocrats. Or you can cover it with plastic during your bondage
parties.


Yes, but they were the tape type, and sticky ONLY on one side. So the
tape did no good.

Apeman

Sew on velcro

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On 1/15/2013 9:08 AM, Ape wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:28:22 -0800 (PST), US Judges are the enemy
wrote:



You do use carpet grippers right? They are fairly cheap and easy to cut with scissors. Some people who are worried about flooring damage lay plywood down during construction. Apeman, maybe your grand children are animals like a lot of these rich spoiled drugged plutocrats. Or you can cover it with plastic during your bondage parties.


Yes, but they were the tape type, and sticky ONLY on one side. So the
tape did no good.

So buy the double-sided carpet tape. It's on Amazon, it's doubtless in
most home improvement stores. I bought an off-brand version last
summer and I couldn't believe how strong the adhesive was. I had an
entryway rug that constantly rode up on one side of the carpeting it
sat on. The standard rug gripper material you can cut to fit under
rugs didn't work at all. The tape worked amazingly well. That rug
didn't move, period.

"Ape" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:48:58 -0500, Norminn
wrote:



I'm a retired nurse, and old enough to have become more aware of
trip/fall hazards. I've taken care of many, many people with broken
hips, and the number one cause is trying to get to the bathroom in a
hurry. If you are caring for someone with limited ability, safety has
to be your primary concern. I don't think that anything on top of a
plush carpet is going to be safe....don't risk your safety or that of
the other person to save a carpet! )

OK

Problem is the wife who is semi-invalid, with dementia and
incontinence and diarrhea, the last being a main problem.

What is your wife wearing. Ordinary women's panties are not suitable for
this type of problem even if she is using pads. My wife has an IBS problem
which can cause diarrhea with little notice and some incontinence. She has
changed to Depends disposable underwear with no more accidents. While they
can be a little pricey, one can get them for a reasonable cost and in bulk
at Costco. There are other brands out there, you may wish to avoid soiling
the carpet by using them.

On 1/15/2013 2:58 AM, Ape wrote:
I am frustrated. I have a situation here at home that causes me to
have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. I never should have bought
the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done
deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained. The cleanups
are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent for
this old man care giver.

I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X
8'. So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like
laying on the rugs. That causes a dangerous situation that is very
dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.

Anyone suggest an alternative? How about plastic runners? Do they
have similar problems?

The Apeman
My neighbor uses the plastic runners and rubber-backed rug runners.
All Screwed down to the floor.
His carpets are low-pile and there's still a trip hazard at the edges.
But it's a LOT better than with no screws.

"Ape" wrote in message
...
I am frustrated. I have a situation here at home that causes me to
have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. I never should have bought
the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done
deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained. The cleanups
are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent for
this old man care giver.

I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X
8'. So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like
laying on the rugs. That causes a dangerous situation that is very
dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.

Anyone suggest an alternative? How about plastic runners? Do they
have similar problems?

The Apeman

You may want to try a carpet film protector, instead of rugs. Our carpet
installer recommended it since we decided to do further remodeling after
the carpet was installed. Do not buy the stuff the box stores sell, go to
Uhaul and buy theirs. Absolutely great stuff, we had ours down for over 30
days, didn't want to come up even after that! It's a real cheap investment.
http://www.uhaul.com/MovingSupplies/...tector?id=2338

If you're still set on rugs, we had some made for in front of the doors &
kitchen sink from the same carpet we had installed elsewhere. Was not
cheap by any means, had an anti-slip backing professionally put on. They
will not slip by trying to get them to move. Just for the heck of it, I
laid it on our carpet instead of the tile & laminate. My fat ass had a
hard time trying to see if I could slip. Just a thought anyways.

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:38:22 -0800, mike wrote:

My neighbor uses the plastic runners and rubber-backed rug runners.
All Screwed down to the floor.
His carpets are low-pile and there's still a trip hazard at the edges.
But it's a LOT better than with no screws.


Thanks for response.

My rug is high-pile - due to my lack of forethought.

Ed Curry's reply concerning UHAUL plastic looks interesting enuff that
I am going to try to find some to look at.

Life keeps getting more difficult for me. I wish it weren't that way.

Apeman

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:21:33 -0500, "EXT"
wrote:


"Ape" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:48:58 -0500, Norminn
wrote:



I'm a retired nurse, and old enough to have become more aware of
trip/fall hazards. I've taken care of many, many people with broken
hips, and the number one cause is trying to get to the bathroom in a
hurry. If you are caring for someone with limited ability, safety has
to be your primary concern. I don't think that anything on top of a
plush carpet is going to be safe....don't risk your safety or that of
the other person to save a carpet! )

OK

Problem is the wife who is semi-invalid, with dementia and
incontinence and diarrhea, the last being a main problem.

What is your wife wearing. Ordinary women's panties are not suitable for
this type of problem even if she is using pads. My wife has an IBS problem
which can cause diarrhea with little notice and some incontinence. She has
changed to Depends disposable underwear with no more accidents. While they
can be a little pricey, one can get them for a reasonable cost and in bulk
at Costco. There are other brands out there, you may wish to avoid soiling
the carpet by using them.

Depends. They seem to be the only offering that does any good at all.
So far everything else I have tried has been worthless. Yes, Depends
are costly. How much are they at Costco? I am paying 11.99 to 14.99.

Thanks for your response.
Apeman

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:22:11 -0500, Lee B
wrote:


On 1/15/2013 4:15 PM, Ape wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:21:33 -0500, "EXT"
wrote:


"Ape" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:48:58 -0500, Norminn
wrote:



I'm a retired nurse, and old enough to have become more aware of
trip/fall hazards. I've taken care of many, many people with broken
hips, and the number one cause is trying to get to the bathroom in a
hurry. If you are caring for someone with limited ability, safety has
to be your primary concern. I don't think that anything on top of a
plush carpet is going to be safe....don't risk your safety or that of
the other person to save a carpet! )

OK

Problem is the wife who is semi-invalid, with dementia and
incontinence and diarrhea, the last being a main problem.

What is your wife wearing. Ordinary women's panties are not suitable for
this type of problem even if she is using pads. My wife has an IBS problem
which can cause diarrhea with little notice and some incontinence. She has
changed to Depends disposable underwear with no more accidents. While they
can be a little pricey, one can get them for a reasonable cost and in bulk
at Costco. There are other brands out there, you may wish to avoid soiling
the carpet by using them.

Depends. They seem to be the only offering that does any good at all.
So far everything else I have tried has been worthless. Yes, Depends
are costly. How much are they at Costco? I am paying 11.99 to 14.99.

Thanks for your response.
Apeman

Depending on where you live, maybe try Amazon. They have Depends on
their Subscribe and Save program. That S&S makes the price a bit less
than their normal cost on that site, plus free S&H plus in many states
no tax. S&S is a recurring order where you tell them you want it every 2
months or whatever, but they don't lock you into that; you can skip
shipments and still keep the lower price or cancel whenever.

That said, I'd google for Depends since you may well find other less
expensive sources. There are also listings on eBay.

Thank you - I'll do some looking. Mainly because this expense is
going to continue and continue. 12/week for 52 weeks amounts to some
big bucks.

Apeman

On 1/15/2013 4:15 PM, Ape wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:21:33 -0500, "EXT"
wrote:


"Ape" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:48:58 -0500, Norminn
wrote:



I'm a retired nurse, and old enough to have become more aware of
trip/fall hazards. I've taken care of many, many people with broken
hips, and the number one cause is trying to get to the bathroom in a
hurry. If you are caring for someone with limited ability, safety has
to be your primary concern. I don't think that anything on top of a
plush carpet is going to be safe....don't risk your safety or that of
the other person to save a carpet! )

OK

Problem is the wife who is semi-invalid, with dementia and
incontinence and diarrhea, the last being a main problem.

What is your wife wearing. Ordinary women's panties are not suitable for
this type of problem even if she is using pads. My wife has an IBS problem
which can cause diarrhea with little notice and some incontinence. She has
changed to Depends disposable underwear with no more accidents. While they
can be a little pricey, one can get them for a reasonable cost and in bulk
at Costco. There are other brands out there, you may wish to avoid soiling
the carpet by using them.

Depends. They seem to be the only offering that does any good at all.
So far everything else I have tried has been worthless. Yes, Depends
are costly. How much are they at Costco? I am paying 11.99 to 14.99.

Thanks for your response.
Apeman


I was reluctant to ask more details about your wife's situation beyond
the information you offered....but, if confusion is part of the problem
in getting to the bathroom, might a portable commode near where she is
be helpful? If she SEES the commode, she might be more able to use it
than to FIND the bathroom.

I took a nurse aid class couple of years ago in case I had to go back to
work....one of the means of helping to avoid wandering is to put a black
patch of flooring in front of doors where the person is not to go..to
folks with dementia, it appears like a hole and they instinctively avoid
it. To help them find their own room, hang a picture of them in their
younger days...they better remember that and identify with it.

Does she qualify for some home health care or housekeeping assistance?
Should be help on the bowel control issue if she is being treated...hope
for the best for you. It is a tough situation.

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:37:28 -0500, Norminn
wrote:


I was reluctant to ask more details about your wife's situation beyond
the information you offered....but, if confusion is part of the problem
in getting to the bathroom, might a portable commode near where she is
be helpful? If she SEES the commode, she might be more able to use it
than to FIND the bathroom.

You know - that is probably going to be a big need if I can't solve
the diarrhea problem. Seems that is a side effect of the dementia
medication (Aercept sp?) she is taking. I quit giving it to her a
week ago, and she has not had an accident since - however, I fear the
effect on her dementia treatment. I am going to sneak the pill back
into her pill sequence, just to see if the diarrhea happens. If it
does, then I will be more sure of what that problem is from anyway.
Time for another doc visit I'm thinking. Maybe a different medication
won't be so harmful. He should know.

Thank you for you insight and time.



I took a nurse aid class couple of years ago in case I had to go back to
work....one of the means of helping to avoid wandering is to put a black
patch of flooring in front of doors where the person is not to go..to
folks with dementia, it appears like a hole and they instinctively avoid
it. To help them find their own room, hang a picture of them in their
younger days...they better remember that and identify with it.

I did not know all that! Interesting. Her problem so far anyway is
not so much not being able to find the bathroom, but that she can't
make the trip because the diarrhea is so pervading (is that the right
word?). Again, a portable commode might just help a lot.


Does she qualify for some home health care or housekeeping assistance?
Should be help on the bowel control issue if she is being treated...hope
for the best for you. It is a tough situation.

Sure is. No, we do not qualify for assistance. Of course I can get
assistance if I pay for it. I am trying to do it on my own as long as
I can. One day at a time, as they say.

Apeman

Many times, pharmacist knows much more about the meds, than the doctor.
Please also consult your pharmacist. Also, most pharmacist have more time,
and patience.

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"Ape" wrote in message
...

You know - that is probably going to be a big need if I can't solve
the diarrhea problem. Seems that is a side effect of the dementia
medication (Aercept sp?) she is taking. I quit giving it to her a
week ago, and she has not had an accident since - however, I fear the
effect on her dementia treatment. I am going to sneak the pill back
into her pill sequence, just to see if the diarrhea happens. If it
does, then I will be more sure of what that problem is from anyway.
Time for another doc visit I'm thinking. Maybe a different medication
won't be so harmful. He should know.

Thank you for you insight and time.

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:11:26 -0500, "ed curry"
wrote:


You may want to try a carpet film protector, instead of rugs. Our carpet
installer recommended it since we decided to do further remodeling after
the carpet was installed. Do not buy the stuff the box stores sell, go to
Uhaul and buy theirs. Absolutely great stuff, we had ours down for over 30
days, didn't want to come up even after that! It's a real cheap investment.
http://www.uhaul.com/MovingSupplies/...tector?id=2338


I could not find any of this locally, so I have ordered some. Thank
you for your help


Apeman

On Jan 15, 3:58*am, Ape wrote:
I am frustrated. *I have a situation here at home that causes me to
have to try to protect my walltowall rugs. *I never should have bought
the expensive, plush rugs that I did, but now that that is a done
deal, I need to try to keep them from getting stained. *The cleanups
are getting too frequent and are too hard and are too frequent *for
this old man care giver.

I have tried a few fabric runners from Lowes, all on the order of 2' X
8'. *So far they all quickly 'bunch up' because they seem not to like
laying on the rugs. *That causes a dangerous situation that is very
dangerous when walked on, and is something I should avoid.

Anyone suggest an alternative? *How about plastic runners? *Do they
have similar problems?

The Apeman

I highly recommend BUY your OWN carpet cleaner! Use it instantly, just
like a wet n dry vacuum, for any spill.

Years ago, I bit the bullet and bought a professional rug cleaner.
Around $4,000. This thing is robust, but big and LOUD! Uses two heavy
line cords that MUST be plugged into AC outlets on different breaker
panels, best if plugged in to creaate 220Vac. but I digress. Any type
of rug accident? Even spilled bleach gets sucked up instantly, no fuss
no mess. The unit heats the cleaning solution up so can get 'burnt'
on the tubing supplying the wand. Wand is rated at 1200 psi so the
cleaning solution penetrates down into and through the fibres. The
vacuum extraction will rip curtains off their poles. Extraction so
complete that the rug will be damp to the touch instantly, dry in a
few hours.

The unit looks a lot like a rental unit, except big with the major
advantage that you own it, get to keep it clean, and store it so it's
handy. Found that doing our carpets every few months keeps them
looking new. I even use it all over our travertine flooring.

Brulins out of Indiana makes [IMO] the best carpet cleaner [built in
mildew resistance and sanitizer compounds] which doesn't need rinsing
as much as others [Translation, doesn't destroy the carpet, nor
destroy the pad - years ago I think it was Rug Doctor and poor rinsing
that turned our expensive multi-bond pads brittle] Brulins makes a
carpet cleaner pet version [which I haven't tried] but may be useful
[based upon the assumption that the products I have tried and work
well represent those I haven't tried.]

At least with your own carpet cleaner unit that actually works well,
you can leave the flooring in the original form - the form you have
grown accustomed to. Sadly with age, keeping the floors clear has
become important. I'm starting to catch my shoes in our carpet and
even catch my shoes in those 1/8 inch deep grout lines betwen the
travertine slabs. Can't imagine what it would be like to add more
barriers to what already is starting to become a nuisance.

I'm am firmly convinced that a really good carpet cleaner unit is more
useful than a vacuum cleaner. Certainly not as dusty.