I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

Paul

I know of no such way. Replace.

(I'm a self employed locksmith, since 1986. I've worked on a lot of locks.)

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"Pavel314" wrote in message
...
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

Paul

On 8/20/2012 9:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

Paul


Sounds like a dumb design. You might get better results if you mention
more such as the manufacturer and anything else you know.

On Monday, August 20, 2012 9:39:08 AM UTC-4, George wrote:
On 8/20/2012 9:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote: I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out. Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs. Paul Sounds like a dumb design. You might get better results if you mention more such as the manufacturer and anything else you know.

Schlage locks. We have a similar design at the office.

I kept the old hardware, which were non-lock-out style. Since the manual lock/unlock mechanism is only in the inside knob, if the old inside knobs fit onto the new outside knobs, I can just replace them. May need to have them brass plated to match the new door but that should solve the problem.

I've worked on Schlage locks, for twenty or so years. A couple years ago,
they changed the design, the new ones, I think are total garbage.

You will find two things:
1) the locking mechanism is part of the outdoor knob assembly
2) The inner knobs from another brand of lock will not be compatible.

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"Pavel314" wrote in message
...

Schlage locks. We have a similar design at the office.

I kept the old hardware, which were non-lock-out style. Since the manual
lock/unlock mechanism is only in the inside knob, if the old inside knobs
fit onto the new outside knobs, I can just replace them. May need to have
them brass plated to match the new door but that should solve the problem.

"Pavel314" wrote in message
...
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

{{

May be a local ordinance requirement. We had something similar in NC and I
bought all our locks in another state. (maintance was tired of having to go
let folk back in their apartments at odd hours)

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

I've worked on Schlage locks, for twenty or so years. A couple years
ago, they changed the design, the new ones, I think are total garbage.

You will find two things:
1) the locking mechanism is part of the outdoor knob assembly
2) The inner knobs from another brand of lock will not be compatible.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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.

"Pavel314" wrote in message
...

Schlage locks. We have a similar design at the office.

I kept the old hardware, which were non-lock-out style. Since the
manual lock/unlock mechanism is only in the inside knob, if the old
inside knobs fit onto the new outside knobs, I can just replace them.
May need to have them brass plated to match the new door but that
should solve the problem.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
The idea behind always being able to get out of a house is a safety
feature. You don't want to fumble for a key if the house is on fire.

Schlage may indeed be pretty ****ty nowadays.

I'm really looking for a lock that does have the "no key necessary to
leave" feature, but also a keypad or something digital that will allow me
to get in without a key. There seem to be a host of those digital (?)
locks and I need some advice which ones to use (ideally fitting a normal
door, and programmable). Grateful for recommendations ...

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Pavel314 wrote:

I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

Paul

Can't you just hide a spare key outside?

Jeff

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"jeff_wisnia" wrote in message
...
Pavel314 wrote:

I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door
knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock
the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that
they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked
out. Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires
actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both
knobs.

Paul

Can't you just hide a spare key outside?

Jeff

That is what I did after my wife locked herself out. I have a garage with a
keypad so the key is hidden inside the garage. Normally the garage door is
down, so one would need that code plus know where the key is hidden.

Anyone wanting in would probably just break out a window anyway.

On Aug 20, 10:58*am, Han wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote :





I've worked on Schlage locks, for twenty or so years. A couple years
ago, they changed the design, the new ones, I think are total garbage.

You will find two things:
1) the locking mechanism is part of the outdoor knob assembly
2) The inner knobs from another brand of lock will not be compatible.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"Pavel314" wrote in message
...

Schlage locks. We have a similar design at the office.

I kept the old hardware, which were non-lock-out style. Since the
manual lock/unlock mechanism is only in the inside knob, if the old
inside knobs fit onto the new outside knobs, I can just replace them.
May need to have them brass plated to match the new door but that
should solve the problem.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
The idea behind always being able to get out of a house is a safety
feature. *You don't want to fumble for a key if the house is on fire.

Schlage may indeed be pretty ****ty nowadays.

I'm really looking for a lock that does have the "no key necessary to
leave" feature, but also a keypad or something digital that will allow me
to get in without a key. *There seem to be a host of those digital (?)
locks and I need some advice which ones to use (ideally fitting a normal
door, and programmable). *Grateful for recommendations ...

--
Best regards
Han
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I have this lockset, which seems to have the features you are looking
for:

Kwikset SmartCode SmartKey Lifetime Polished Brass Commercial/
Residential Single-Cylinder Motorized Electronic Deadbolt

Lowes (long) link:

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?...llow&cId=PDIO1

The keypad throws the deadbolt only. We have a separate lever set to
control the latch. We did not buy a locking latch since I see no
point. If they get past the deadbolt, the latch is not going to be any
problem at all. Besides, why use a keyless entry for the deadbolt if
you need a key for the latch?

Inside, on the back of the deadbolt controller, there's a small lever
to lock/unlock the deadbolt, therefore no need for a key.

Throw the deadbolt lever to unlock the deadbolt, push down on the
lever for the latch and you are out.

To lock the deadbolt from the outside, you simply push the center
"Lock" image.

Having had the lockset for more than 2 years I'm still very satisfied.
I'm not worried about the batteries dying while I'm out, since the
device gives amble warning that the batteries are getting weak. I
think I've changed them twice in the 2 years I've had it, despite what
the review on the Lowes site says. In fact, I have not experienced any
of the things mentioned in a couple of the reviews.

Besides, the garage door opener is also on key pad plus the wife and I
keep a spare key hidden in ours cars for the odd chance that both the
entry door digital lock and the GDO fail at the same time.

I'm not worried...

A couple friends of mine have Schlage lock-out door knobs. She was scared,
one night, brought the spare key in. Husband out of town. Went to get the
mail, and the usual happened. A neighbor let her use the phone, she called
me to unlock the house.

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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...


Can't you just hide a spare key outside?

Jeff

That is what I did after my wife locked herself out. I have a garage with a
keypad so the key is hidden inside the garage. Normally the garage door is
down, so one would need that code plus know where the key is hidden.

Anyone wanting in would probably just break out a window anyway.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
A couple friends of mine have Schlage lock-out door knobs. She was scared,
one night, brought the spare key in. Husband out of town. Went to get the
mail, and the usual happened. A neighbor let her use the phone, she called
me to unlock the house.

Just can not fix stupid can we ?

On Aug 20, 11:43*am, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:
"jeff_wisnia" wrote in message

...

Pavel314 wrote:

I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door
knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock
the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that
they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked
out. Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires
actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both
knobs.

Paul

Can't you just hide a spare key outside?

Jeff

That is what I did after my wife locked herself out. *I have a garage with a
keypad so the key is hidden inside the garage. *Normally the garage door is
down, so one would need that code plus know where the key is hidden.

Anyone wanting in would probably just break out a window anyway.

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

You are so, so right.

Christopher A. Young
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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
news
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
A couple friends of mine have Schlage lock-out door knobs. She was scared,
one night, brought the spare key in. Husband out of town. Went to get the
mail, and the usual happened. A neighbor let her use the phone, she called
me to unlock the house.

Just can not fix stupid can we ?

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
That is what I did after my wife locked herself out. I have a garage with
a
keypad so the key is hidden inside the garage. Normally the garage door is
down, so one would need that code plus know where the key is hidden.

Anyone wanting in would probably just break out a window anyway.

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

We use the garage door as the main in/out door to go all the way outside.
It would be doubtful that we would go out and then close the garage door
unless in the car and the keys for the cars and doors are all on the same
ring.

There are 3 doors from the inside of the house to the outside, not
counting the basement door that has a manual turn to lock it. The frount
door knob will not lock and has another deadblot lock that can only be
locked from the outside with a key. There is another side door and a door
that goes into the garage that you can lock yourself out just by closing it.

There is always a possibility that anything could hapen, but atleast some
steps have been taken to correct the problem.

I LOVE my electronic deadbolt lock its super convenient my only
regret? i didnt get one 20 years ago...

I still carry a key on my key ring, that also opens other deadbolt
locks, but havent used it more than twice in a year.....

best 99 bucks i ever spent

On Aug 20, 10:01*am, Pavel314 wrote:
On Monday, August 20, 2012 9:39:08 AM UTC-4, George wrote:
On 8/20/2012 9:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote: I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out. Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs. Paul Sounds like a dumb design. You might get better results if you mention more such as the manufacturer and anything else you know.

Schlage locks. We have a similar design at the office.

I kept the old hardware, which were non-lock-out style. Since the manual lock/unlock mechanism is only in the inside knob, if the old inside knobs fit onto the new outside knobs, I can just replace them. May need to have them brass plated to match the new door but that should solve the problem.

Wrong, the thumb turn on the inside knob is basically
just an indicator which fits into the shaft connected
to the inner mechanism inside the outer knob assembly...

Swapping it will make no difference, the function of the
lock depends on how that inner mechanism is configured,
changing the knob will do nothing at all...

Just think at how many more people would be locked out
if you actually had real commercial grade locks installed
with vandal-resistant trims which are free to rotate but not
engaged to the mechanism when locked...

Sounds like you made an upgrade from way older stuff to
modern Schlage locks or from Kwikset to Schlage and
thus were used to the old locks and how they worked...
If lockouts are that much of a problem perhaps you should
install a stand-alone electronic PIN based lock set so
that if people get locked out they can get back in without
a key...

On Aug 20, 10:58*am, "NotMe" wrote:
"Pavel314" wrote in message

...
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

{{

May be a local ordinance requirement. *We had something similar in NC and I
bought all our locks in another state. *(maintance was tired of having to go
let folk back in their apartments at odd hours)

If maintenance was tired of dealing with lockout calls
from the tenants then don't install keyed knob/lever
sets in the tenant's unit doors... A standard deadbolt
and a passage knob can not be locked from the
outside without using a key... Don't know hoe many
times I have read postings about this situation from
people in maintenance and property management
yet no one wants to install the proper locks to make
sure a lockout can never happen without the tenant
being out and misplacing/losing their keys OR someone
being inside the unit purposefully locking the door
to keep someone out...

"Pavel314" wrote in message
...

I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

Paul

We also have the Schlage locks plus deadbolt. From what I have read Schlage
locks cannot be (bump keyed) to let strangers to get in. Since both door
lock AND deadbolt use same key this is what we prefer. You will learn to
check before shutting the door. Ww

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

Why not just hide it outside? There are thousands of good places
(besides under the doormat :-). I hide mine near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag. I've only needed it once
in 12 years.

"Evan" wrote in message
...
On Aug 20, 10:58 am, "NotMe" wrote:
"Pavel314" wrote in message

...
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that
they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

{{

May be a local ordinance requirement. We had something similar in NC and I
bought all our locks in another state. (maintance was tired of having to
go
let folk back in their apartments at odd hours)

If maintenance was tired of dealing with lockout calls
from the tenants then don't install keyed knob/lever
sets in the tenant's unit doors... A standard deadbolt
and a passage knob can not be locked from the
outside without using a key... Don't know hoe many
times I have read postings about this situation from
people in maintenance and property management
yet no one wants to install the proper locks to make
sure a lockout can never happen without the tenant
being out and misplacing/losing their keys OR someone
being inside the unit purposefully locking the door
to keep someone out...

_________

BINGO! NC does not allow the sale of locks that don't lock you out. Which
is why we purchased locks out of state. Property has been sold so it's not
a problem at least for me any longer.

"low" until it happens. And, that will be at the worst possible time.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:39:08 -0400, George
wrote:

On 8/20/2012 9:00 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that they're locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

Paul


Sounds like a dumb design.

I had easy-to-get-out-doorknob-locks in JHS and HS. Really liked them
Had a hard time getting used to the other kind, and after 30 years I
probably still prefer the first kind, but the new kind does have the
advantage of making it less likely to lock myself out.


You might get better results if you mention
more such as the manufacturer and anything else you know.

On 8/20/2012 5:38 PM, NotMe wrote:
....

BINGO! NC does not allow the sale of locks that don't lock you out....

I'd sure like to see the details of that piece of legislation/building
code/regulation/whatever it is...methinks there's something else going
on rather than for single-dwelling universal mandate.

--

On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

Why not just hide it outside? There are thousands of good places
(besides under the doormat :-). I hide mine near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag. I've only needed it once
in 12 years.


For hiding keys:

Choose the hiding place yourself and be careful who you tell. I suppose
you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

DON'T choose a place anyone else has mentioned as a place to hide keys.

DON'T use anything advertised for hiding keys.

Hide your key on your neighbor's house, so person finding the key will try
it on the wrong house.

Christopher A. Young
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"sam E" wrote in message
...

For hiding keys:

Choose the hiding place yourself and be careful who you tell. I suppose
you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

DON'T choose a place anyone else has mentioned as a place to hide keys.

DON'T use anything advertised for hiding keys.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:02:28 -0500, sam E
wrote:

On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:

I hide mine [housekey] near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag.

I suppose you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

Yes that is my actual hiding place. I just haven't posted my actual
name or address so same result.

AaronL wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:02:28 -0500, sam E
wrote:

On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:

I hide mine [housekey] near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag.

I suppose you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

Yes that is my actual hiding place. I just haven't posted my actual
name or address so same result.

Call me naive, but I'd say that even if I posted my real address and told
this NG that the front door is always unlocked, the odds of actually
getting robbed would still be pretty small.

The bad guys would need to be reading this NG plus live close enough for
the robbery to be worth the effort.

That said, I'm still not posting it. ;-)

On Aug 20, 6:38*pm, "NotMe" wrote:
"Evan" wrote in message

...
On Aug 20, 10:58 am, "NotMe" wrote:









"Pavel314" wrote in message

...
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that
they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

{{

May be a local ordinance requirement. We had something similar in NC and I
bought all our locks in another state. (maintance was tired of having to
go
let folk back in their apartments at odd hours)

If maintenance was tired of dealing with lockout calls
from the tenants then don't install keyed knob/lever
sets in the tenant's unit doors... *A standard deadbolt
and a passage knob can not be locked from the
outside without using a key... *Don't know hoe many
times I have read postings about this situation from
people in maintenance and property management
yet no one wants to install the proper locks to make
sure a lockout can never happen without the tenant
being out and misplacing/losing their keys OR someone
being inside the unit purposefully locking the door
to keep someone out...

_________

BINGO! *NC does not allow the sale of locks that don't lock you out. *Which
is why we purchased locks out of state. *Property has been sold so it's not
a problem at least for me any longer.

The problem is not the tenants or the law
there is nothing in any building code that
I have ever read that requires locking knobs
or lever sets installed on apartments...

Only that provisions for locking said doors
be provided...

Poor hardware choices and lame blaming it
on the law aside, still sounds like the wrong
hardware was installed...

On Aug 21, 2:02*pm, sam E wrote:
On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

Why not just hide it outside? There are thousands of good places
(besides under the doormat :-). I hide mine near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag. I've only needed it once
in 12 years.

For hiding keys:

Choose the hiding place yourself and be careful who you tell. I suppose
you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

DON'T choose a place anyone else has mentioned as a place to hide keys.

DON'T use anything advertised for hiding keys.

DON'T just hide a key, place a key vault outside in
a protected location so that only you and people you
have given the code to can access and use the keys...

"dpb" wrote in message ...
On 8/20/2012 5:38 PM, NotMe wrote:
...

BINGO! NC does not allow the sale of locks that don't lock you out....

I'd sure like to see the details of that piece of legislation/building
code/regulation/whatever it is...methinks there's something else going on
rather than for single-dwelling universal mandate.


Don't know and at this point don't care. New owner put the politically
correct locks on the doors.

"Evan" wrote in message
...
On Aug 20, 6:38 pm, "NotMe" wrote:
"Evan" wrote in message

...
On Aug 20, 10:58 am, "NotMe" wrote:

"Pavel314" wrote in message

...
I just had some entry doors installed and it turns out that the door
knobs
are the lock-out kind. By that I mean that you don't have to unlock the
knobs to open the door from the inside. If you happen to forget that
they're
locked, you can walk out, close the door, and find you're locked out.

Is there any way to modify this sort of knob so that it requires actual
unlocking before going out? I'd hate to have to replace both knobs.

{{

May be a local ordinance requirement. We had something similar in NC and
I
bought all our locks in another state. (maintance was tired of having to
go
let folk back in their apartments at odd hours)

If maintenance was tired of dealing with lockout calls
from the tenants then don't install keyed knob/lever
sets in the tenant's unit doors... A standard deadbolt
and a passage knob can not be locked from the
outside without using a key... Don't know hoe many
times I have read postings about this situation from
people in maintenance and property management
yet no one wants to install the proper locks to make
sure a lockout can never happen without the tenant
being out and misplacing/losing their keys OR someone
being inside the unit purposefully locking the door
to keep someone out...

_________

BINGO! NC does not allow the sale of locks that don't lock you out. Which
is why we purchased locks out of state. Property has been sold so it's not
a problem at least for me any longer.

The problem is not the tenants or the law
there is nothing in any building code that
I have ever read that requires locking knobs
or lever sets installed on apartments...

Only that provisions for locking said doors
be provided...

Poor hardware choices and lame blaming it
on the law aside, still sounds like the wrong
hardware was installed...

{{

Like I said I don't know and don't care. The inspection on the property at
sale required the new owners to replace the locks with approved version.

On Aug 21, 11:25*pm, Evan wrote:
On Aug 21, 2:02*pm, sam E wrote:





On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Only problem with hiding a key in the garage is the slim chance that
someone is locked out *and* the GDO or power fails at the same time.

I know...what are the odds?

Why not just hide it outside? There are thousands of good places
(besides under the doormat :-). I hide mine near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag. I've only needed it once
in 12 years.

For hiding keys:

Choose the hiding place yourself and be careful who you tell. I suppose
you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

DON'T choose a place anyone else has mentioned as a place to hide keys.

DON'T use anything advertised for hiding keys.

DON'T just hide a key, place a key vault outside in
a protected location so that only you and people you
have given the code to can access and use the keys...- Hide quoted text -

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A few weeks ago we rented a vacation house in NC. The owner informed
us that the key to the house was in a lock box on the side of the
garage. The combination was "the last four digits of the phone number
you used when you filled out the rental contract."

Once we were inside the house, there were 2 sets of "daily use" keys
for us to carry around. The idea was to keep the original key in the
lockbox at all times so that it was always available if we lost the
other keys or got locked out.

That same system could be utilized for the spare key to anyone's home.
Since the combination can be easily changed, you could give it out as
need be and then change it.

DerbyDad03 wrote in
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AaronL wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:02:28 -0500, sam E
wrote:

On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:

I hide mine [housekey] near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag.

I suppose you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

Yes that is my actual hiding place. I just haven't posted my actual
name or address so same result.

Call me naive, but I'd say that even if I posted my real address and
told this NG that the front door is always unlocked, the odds of
actually getting robbed would still be pretty small.

The bad guys would need to be reading this NG plus live close enough
for the robbery to be worth the effort.

That said, I'm still not posting it. ;-)

Wow, what a smart guy!! Well, I am in the phone book.

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Best regards
Han
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On 08/21/2012 08:34 PM, AaronL wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:02:28 -0500, sam E
wrote:

On 08/20/2012 04:59 PM, AaronL wrote:

I hide mine [housekey] near a house corner under
my landscape rocks in a small waterproof bag.

I suppose you haven't posted your actual hiding place.

Yes that is my actual hiding place. I just haven't posted my actual
name or address so same result.


I can't find that information. I'm not a burglar.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Ignorance is self-inflicted stupidity." -- Barry B. Longyear, The
Tomorrow Testament

Hi Pavel,

I didn't have the exact same problem, but i can give you a good address if you need a locksmith and live in London. They helpt me a lot with my locks issues and did a pretty good work.

Here is their website and all the information you need to contact them: London Locksmith 24h in London Call 0203 642 9713


Good luck,

Sally.