You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...without-trial/

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of
the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president—and every future president — the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept
up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders
of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’
provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which
is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the
legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the
homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.),
who supports the bill.

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting
without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and
1032 of the NDAA bill.

“I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as
to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,”
Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of
these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the
military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S.
soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on
American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of
the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must
be resolved.”

This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in
a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department
of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold,
owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the
telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of
mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a
provision would be wide open to abuse.

“American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or
British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even
being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good
idea? And why now?” asks Anders.

The ACLU is urging citizens to call their Senator and demand that the
Udall Amendment be added to the bill, a change that would at least act
as a check to prevent Americans being snatched off the streets without
some form of Congressional oversight.

We have been warning for over a decade that Americans would become the
target of laws supposedly aimed at terrorists and enemy combatants. Alex
Jones personally documented how U.S. troops were being trained to arrest
U.S. citizens in the event of martial law during urban warfare training
drills back in the 90?s. Under the the National Defense Authorization
Act bill, no declaration of martial law is necessary since Americans
would now be subject to the same treatment as suspected insurgents in
places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you thought that the executive assassination of American citizens
abroad was bad enough, now similar powers will be extended to the
“homeland,” in other words, your town, your community, your back yard.

On Nov 28, 7:53*am, Home Guy wrote:
You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...to-intern-amer...

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of
the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president—and every future president — the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept
up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders
of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’
provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which
is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the
legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the
homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.),
who supports the bill.

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting
without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and
1032 of the NDAA bill.

“I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as
to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,”
Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of
these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the
military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S.
soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on
American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of
the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must
be resolved.”

This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in
a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department
of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold,
owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the
telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of
mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a
provision would be wide open to abuse.

“American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or
British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even
being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good
idea? And why now?” asks Anders.

The ACLU is urging citizens to call their Senator and demand that the
Udall Amendment be added to the bill, a change that would at least act
as a check to prevent Americans being snatched off the streets without
some form of Congressional oversight.

We have been warning for over a decade that Americans would become the
target of laws supposedly aimed at terrorists and enemy combatants. Alex
Jones personally documented how U.S. troops were being trained to arrest
U.S. citizens in the event of martial law during urban warfare training
drills back in the 90?s. Under the the National Defense Authorization
Act bill, no declaration of martial law is necessary since Americans
would now be subject to the same treatment as suspected insurgents in
places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you thought that the executive assassination of American citizens
abroad was bad enough, now similar powers will be extended to the
“homeland,” in other words, your town, your community, your back yard..

***Harry, please! I don't usually read your blasts, but just this
once, on the offchance that anybody here might bite, folks, Google
Paul Joseph Watson and all will be made clear.

HB

Home Guy wrote:
You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...without-trial/

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a "battlefield"

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole
of the United States as a "battlefield" and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or
trial.

"The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president-and every future president - the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be
swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself," writes Chris
Anders of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.


What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

The last of the German POWs were repatriated from England in 1948, three
years after the conflict ended. Some, including William Joyce, famously
known as Lord Haw Haw, were hanged for treason. Russia kept some German POWs
until 1956!

These POWs were, in the main, holders of dual citizenship although there
were a few who fought on the side of the Axis out of conviction rather than
nationality.

If you participate in an armed conflict, you may suffer the consequences
should you be captured by the opposing side.

Citizenship is irrelevant on the battlefield.

On Nov 28, 11:42*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Home Guy wrote:
You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...to-intern-amer...

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a "battlefield"

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole
of the United States as a "battlefield" and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or
trial.

"The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president-and every future president - the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be
swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself," writes Chris
Anders of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

The last of the German POWs were repatriated from England in 1948, three
years after the conflict ended. Some, including William Joyce, famously
known as Lord Haw Haw, were hanged for treason. Russia kept some German POWs
until 1956!

These POWs were, in the main, holders of dual citizenship although there
were a few who fought on the side of the Axis out of conviction rather than
nationality.

If you participate in an armed conflict, you may suffer the consequences
should you be captured by the opposing side.

Citizenship is irrelevant on the battlefield.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here we go again. Using Infowars as a source for this is the first
obvious
red flag as they are loons who believe in every wild conspiracy theory
under
the sun, including that 911 was a govt job. Second is that there is
that the
article does not quote what is actually in the legislation.

A quick google produces this:

"(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces
of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2)
who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the
Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in
military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to
any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is
determined--

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force
that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-
Qaeda; and

(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an
attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition
partners.

(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the
disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in
section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in
paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the
requirements of section 1033.

(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in
consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National
Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary
submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is
in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident
Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in
military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the
United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in
military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful
resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking
place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the
Constitution of the United States.



So first in only applies to Al-Qaeda that have participated in
planning attacks on the USA
Second, it specifically excluded US citizens.

Unless there is something else somewhere in this legislation, Infowars
is flat out lying. The
fact that the short section was never quoted suggests that is exactly
what they are doing.

In article , Home Guy wrote:

You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

Too bad none of this gonna happen. If you bothered to actually READ
the law, detained and detention show up less than 30 times in the bill.
The only two times either one shows up where they are not talking
specifically about people at Gitmo is when they are talking about
counseling, etc., for our people who are detained by others.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On Nov 28, 11:23*am, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Nov 28, 7:53*am, Home Guy wrote:





You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...to-intern-amer...

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of
the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial..

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president—and every future president — the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept
up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders
of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’
provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which
is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the
legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the
homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C..),
who supports the bill.

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting
without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and
1032 of the NDAA bill.

“I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as
to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,”
Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of
these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the
military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S.
soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on
American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of
the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must
be resolved.”

This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in
a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department
of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold,
owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the
telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of
mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a
provision would be wide open to abuse.

“American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or
British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even
being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good
idea? And why now?” asks Anders.

The ACLU is urging citizens to call their Senator and demand that the
Udall Amendment be added to the bill, a change that would at least act
as a check to prevent Americans being snatched off the streets without
some form of Congressional oversight.

We have been warning for over a decade that Americans would become the
target of laws supposedly aimed at terrorists and enemy combatants. Alex
Jones personally documented how U.S. troops were being trained to arrest
U.S. citizens in the event of martial law during urban warfare training
drills back in the 90?s. Under the the National Defense Authorization
Act bill, no declaration of martial law is necessary since Americans
would now be subject to the same treatment as suspected insurgents in
places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you thought that the executive assassination of American citizens
abroad was bad enough, now similar powers will be extended to the
“homeland,” in other words, your town, your community, your back yard.

***Harry, please! *I don't usually read your blasts, but just this
once, on the offchance that anybody here might bite, folks, Google
Paul Joseph Watson and all will be made clear.

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't have to. Just see which side you are on - I'm usually on the
other

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of American
Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just search on those brave
few who refused to be drafted). There were absolutely zero POW camps that held
American Citizens in the USA during WW2

On Nov 28, 8:59*am, Frank wrote:
On Nov 28, 11:23*am, Higgs Boson wrote:









On Nov 28, 7:53*am, Home Guy wrote:

You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...to-intern-amer....

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of
the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president—and every future president — the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept
up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders
of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’
provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which
is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the
legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the
homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S..C.),
who supports the bill.

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting
without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and
1032 of the NDAA bill.

“I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as
to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,”
Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of
these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the
military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S.
soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on
American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of
the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must
be resolved.”

This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in
a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department
of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold,
owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the
telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of
mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a
provision would be wide open to abuse.

“American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or
British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even
being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good
idea? And why now?” asks Anders.

The ACLU is urging citizens to call their Senator and demand that the
Udall Amendment be added to the bill, a change that would at least act
as a check to prevent Americans being snatched off the streets without
some form of Congressional oversight.

We have been warning for over a decade that Americans would become the
target of laws supposedly aimed at terrorists and enemy combatants. Alex
Jones personally documented how U.S. troops were being trained to arrest
U.S. citizens in the event of martial law during urban warfare training
drills back in the 90?s. Under the the National Defense Authorization
Act bill, no declaration of martial law is necessary since Americans
would now be subject to the same treatment as suspected insurgents in
places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you thought that the executive assassination of American citizens
abroad was bad enough, now similar powers will be extended to the
“homeland,” in other words, your town, your community, your back yard.

***Harry, please! *I don't usually read your blasts, but just this
once, on the offchance that anybody here might bite, folks, Google
Paul Joseph Watson and all will be made clear.

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't have to. *Just see which side you are on - I'm usually on the
other

***Actually, you DO have to check out Paul Joseph Watson -- unless
you're happy being suckered by a notorious conspiracy theorist. But
maybe you're happier not having to think. Or research. Or check out
whatever you're fed. As part of your permanent "Us-Them" mentality.
Handy to avoid actually thinking.

I'm more amused than shocked that above posters are actually
discussing this conspiracy theorist's latest blast as though it had
any validity. I guess some people need to defend their weltanschauung
at any cost.

HB

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:59 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of American
Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just search on those brave
few who refused to be drafted). There were absolutely zero POW camps that held
American Citizens in the USA during WW2

The correct term was "internment camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

In article , Oren wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:59 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of American
Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just search on those
brave
few who refused to be drafted). There were absolutely zero POW camps that
held
American Citizens in the USA during WW2

The correct term was "internment camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

aw, political correctness and my mind farts

" wrote:

Here we go again. Using Infowars as a source for this is the first
obvious red flag as they are loons who believe in every wild
conspiracy theory under the sun, including that 911 was a govt
job. Second is that there is that the article does not quote
what is actually in the legislation.

A quick google produces this:

(...)

I did grab a pdf copy of this 682-page bill, and read the sections that
you quoted.

Unless there is something else somewhere in this legislation,
Infowars is flat out lying. The fact that the short section
was never quoted suggests that is exactly what they are doing.

I agree there appears to be a specific exclusion for US citizens, but
still there is mention of the Udal amendment, which has been described
by the ACLU as:

===========
The Udall amendment would strip sections 1031 and 1032 from the bill and
in their place, mandate a process for Congress to use to consider
whether any detention legislation is needed. If enacted, sections 1031
and 1032 of the NDAA would:

(1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely
imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up
inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be
outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the
United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial,
investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and
responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.
==========

I'm also not sure how to read section 1031 to see if it essentially does
repeal the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military
to perform law enforcement functions on American soil.

The way I read some of this bill, it does seem to give
self-authorization for the US military to conduct operations across the
entire globe to "go after" terrorists in such a way that removed the
typical requirement of "declaring war" on a given country in order to
deposit troops into said country. There does not seem to be a
distinction between inside and outside US territory in this regard.

This is the law that presumably should have been in place before US
troops entered deep into Pakistan to "extract" bin laden. Perhaps there
is some retro-activity contemplated within these 682 pages.

Of course, the legitamacy of one country enshrining in it's own laws the
legal authority to place it's military in any country unilaterally to
conduct this or that type of activity has got to be the height of
arrogance and beligerance.

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American
citizens held in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW
camps just in my state). There they stayed, without access to
American courts, until repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of
American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just
search on those brave few who refused to be drafted). There were
absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens in the USA
during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were held in
American POW camps, plus a similar number of Italians and a smaller number
of Japanese. You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that
enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield who turned out to be Americans
were told "Go forth and sin no more!"

No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:53:43 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

Remember what I said about you moving here. Nobody would waist money
like that.

Aside, I don't recall anyone _asking_ you to move here!

On Nov 28, 9:53*am, Home Guy wrote:

snip

And all of this tripe has what to do with home repair?

Joe

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:35:37 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article , Oren wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:59 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of American
Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just search on those
brave
few who refused to be drafted). There were absolutely zero POW camps that
held
American Citizens in the USA during WW2

The correct term was "internment camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

aw, political correctness and my mind farts

But this all happened before "political correctness" was invented, no?

HeyBub wrote:

During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held in POW
camps throughout the country without access to American courts

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands
of American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts

There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens
in the USA during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps

400k germans held in POW camps in Europe - not on US soil.

You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that

There are Geneva conventions about combatants wearing uniforms and their
rights therein - I would suppose that if you are captured in combat
wearing the uniform of the enemy then you are treated as the enemy
regardless what your legal citizenship is.

No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

No POW probably ever set foot on US soil (while being a POW that is).

Home Guy wrote:

==========
If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

(1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely
imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked
up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise
be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within
the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial,
investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and
responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.
==========

When taken together, all 3 of the above is exactly what you need if you
wanted to replicate the Guantanamo Bay detention facility within the
United States - including the stripping of the jurisdiction of the
federal courts from said facility.

This is really an acknowledgement that the powers-that-be don't really
want to close Guantanamo Bay. They just want to move it to US territory
but still keep it outside the reach of the judicial system.

Sort of like how the situation is now at airports. Your rights are
stripped from you and the courts are unsure of their jurisdiction.

Joe wrote:

And all of this tripe has what to do with home repair?

Joe - you're right. This has nothing to do with home repair.

When I come across a thread in a newsgroup that I want to essentially
"disappear" from my screen every time I access the group, I will
right-click on any post within that thread and select "ignore thread".
They will all immediately change from BOLD to un-bold to make them less
visually distinct so that I can more easily identify new posts from
other threads that I may want to read, and every time I access the
newsgroup in the future, those posts will automatically "un-bold"
themselves. I can do this because I'm using an actual usenet client
(Netscape Communicator).

I realize that you are using Google Groups - which nobody should have to
be tortured with as a way to experience usenet. So you perhaps don't
have an easy way to make these posts disappear.

But I know - even if using a proper usenet client makes the off-topic
posts more tolerable, it doesn't excuse their existance....

I will, shall we say - tone it down?

One last post on this topic (from me anyways).

=========
UPDATE:

Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention
legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does.

There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention
requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American
citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely
detain people without charge or trial (section 1013 of the bill).

So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to
indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its
power unless ordered to do so.
===========

And this is not just American citizens caught or captured or intercepted
outside of US soil.

This bill re-defines the "battle field" as the entire planet, including
the USA.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...y-define-being

On Nov 28, 9:53*am, Home Guy wrote:
You Americans are so screwed.

You're screwing yourselves.

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

A pack of gorrillas flash-robbing a 7-11 in the DC area is nothing
compared to this.

===============================

Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial

http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves...to-intern-amer...

NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”

Paul Joseph Watson
Monday, November 28, 2011

The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of
the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to
arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this
president—and every future president — the power to order the military
to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in
the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept
up by the military and the military could be used far from any
battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders
of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’
provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which
is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the
legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the
homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.),
who supports the bill.

The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting
without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and
1032 of the NDAA bill.

“I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as
to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,”
Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of
these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the
military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S.
soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on
American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of
the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must
be resolved.”

This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in
a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department
of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold,
owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the
telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of
mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a
provision would be wide open to abuse.

“American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or
British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even
being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good
idea? And why now?” asks Anders.

The ACLU is urging citizens to call their Senator and demand that the
Udall Amendment be added to the bill, a change that would at least act
as a check to prevent Americans being snatched off the streets without
some form of Congressional oversight.

We have been warning for over a decade that Americans would become the
target of laws supposedly aimed at terrorists and enemy combatants. Alex
Jones personally documented how U.S. troops were being trained to arrest
U.S. citizens in the event of martial law during urban warfare training
drills back in the 90?s. Under the the National Defense Authorization
Act bill, no declaration of martial law is necessary since Americans
would now be subject to the same treatment as suspected insurgents in
places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

If you thought that the executive assassination of American citizens
abroad was bad enough, now similar powers will be extended to the
“homeland,” in other words, your town, your community, your back yard..

Our government has been doing this for centuries. During the 1800's
we pushed our Native Americans into increasingly small reserve areas
where they became more and more susceptible to diseases that ravaged
their people. Through a series of lies and false treaties we stole
reserve land from them and allowed settlers to squat on their land;
and cut deals with railroads to shove them off of their ancestral
lands. This caused poverty and starvation. The ones who objected
were attacked and slaughtered, or driven, in mass, into reserves. We
knew that as long as we labeled them properly ("savage", Barbarian,
etc.) we could get away with all kinds of atrocities.

And no, I am not Native American. Irish on all for corners of my
family.

RonB

On 11/28/2011 6:38 PM, Home Guy wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held in POW
camps throughout the country without access to American courts
not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands
of American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts

There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens
in the USA during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps
400k germans held in POW camps in Europe - not on US soil.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:05:56 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

One last post on this topic (from me anyways).

I'll accept your surrender.

On 11/28/2011 6:38 PM, Home Guy wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held in POW
camps throughout the country without access to American courts

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands
of American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts

There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens
in the USA during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps

400k germans held in POW camps in Europe - not on US soil.

You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that

There are Geneva conventions about combatants wearing uniforms and their
rights therein - I would suppose that if you are captured in combat
wearing the uniform of the enemy then you are treated as the enemy
regardless what your legal citizenship is.

No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

No POW probably ever set foot on US soil (while being a POW that is).

We had German POW's here in Alabamastan during WWII, funny thing, we now
have a Mercedes Benz factory. ^_^

TDD

On 11/28/2011 6:32 PM, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:53:43 -0500, Home wrote:

Remember what I said about "you couldn't pay me enough to live in the
states" ?

Remember what I said about you moving here. Nobody would waist money
like that.

Aside, I don't recall anyone _asking_ you to move here!

Oh come on, everyone is welcome as long as they do it legally and have
no aspirations to conquer or supplant us. I like my Canuck friends but
they don't talk as funny as my Limey friends. ^_^

TDD

On Nov 28, 4:38*pm, Home Guy wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held in POW
camps throughout the country without access to American courts
not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands
of American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts

There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens
in the USA during WW2
You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps

400k germans held in POW camps in Europe - not on US soil.

You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that

There are Geneva conventions about combatants wearing uniforms and their
rights therein - I would suppose that if you are captured in combat
wearing the uniform of the enemy then you are treated as the enemy
regardless what your legal citizenship is.

No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

No POW probably ever set foot on US soil (while being a POW that is).


...........No POW probably ever set foot on US soil (while being a POW
that is). ........


Google broken up north?

On Nov 28, 5:05*pm, Home Guy wrote:
One last post on this topic (from me anyways).

=========
UPDATE:

Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention
legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does.

There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention
requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American
citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely
detain people without charge or trial (section 1013 of the bill).

So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to
indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its
power unless ordered to do so.
===========

And this is not just American citizens caught or captured or intercepted
outside of US soil.

This bill re-defines the "battle field" as the entire planet, including
the USA.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...and-military-l...

........One last post on this topic from Home Guy? .......

an admission of "oops!" I guess there were a LOT of POW's on US soil
during WWII

In article , Oren wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:35:37 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article , Oren wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:59 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote:

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens
held
in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW camps just in my
state). There they stayed, without access to American courts, until
repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of
American
Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just search on
those
brave
few who refused to be drafted). There were absolutely zero POW camps that
held
American Citizens in the USA during WW2

The correct term was "internment camps".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

aw, political correctness and my mind farts

But this all happened before "political correctness" was invented, no?

maybe before the republicans institutionalized it as an item to accuse others of
when they felt too uncomfortable with the public realizing what was happening

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

What's the big deal? During WW2 we had thousands of American
citizens held in POW camps throughout the country (we 16 or so POW
camps just in my state). There they stayed, without access to
American courts, until repatriated to their home country.

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands of
American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts (just
search on those brave few who refused to be drafted). There were
absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens in the USA
during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were held in
American POW camps, plus a similar number of Italians and a smaller number
of Japanese. You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that
enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield who turned out to be Americans
were told "Go forth and sin no more!"

Then you should have absolutely no problem providing us with either a list of
those "citizens" or at the very least a cite from some reputable entity
quantifying these Americans.



No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

My comment was addressed to the issue of Japanese in internment camps

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps, plus a similar number of Italians and a
smaller number of Japanese. You either believe that none held U.S.
citizenship or that enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield who
turned out to be Americans were told "Go forth and sin no more!"

Then you should have absolutely no problem providing us with either a
list of those "citizens" or at the very least a cite from some
reputable entity quantifying these Americans.

You can cite me.




No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

My comment was addressed to the issue of Japanese in internment camps

Agreed. But you also said:

"There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens in the USA
during WW2.

On Nov 28, 11:23*am, Higgs Boson wrote:
Google
Paul Joseph Watson and all will be made clear.

Seems like a lot of wasted effort when one can merely consider the
OP's history of off-topic posts.

If you're not smart or ambitious enough to find relevant newsgroups
for your topic, you're obviously pretty stupid and lazy, and/or a
troll.

"Political" topics are the favorite of trolls because the fish come
a'runnin', can't resist putting the troll in it's place.

It's not the trolls who fill newsgroups with ****, it's all the fish
with diarrhea of the keyboard.
-----

- gpsman

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps, plus a similar number of Italians and a
smaller number of Japanese. You either believe that none held U.S.
citizenship or that enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield who
turned out to be Americans were told "Go forth and sin no more!"

Then you should have absolutely no problem providing us with either a
list of those "citizens" or at the very least a cite from some
reputable entity quantifying these Americans.

You can cite me.

not until you provide reputable facts






No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

My comment was addressed to the issue of Japanese in internment camps

Agreed. But you also said:

"There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens in the USA
during WW2.

I stand by that: by definition any American Citizen who served in an enemy
military and held in an American POW camp would be guilty of Treason. Since
there were no indictments or trials for Treason during the war, it stands to
reason that no American citizens were captured and/or held in these POW camps

On 11/29/2011 12:12 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/28/2011 6:38 PM, Home Guy wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held in POW
camps throughout the country without access to American courts

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands
of American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts

There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens
in the USA during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps

400k germans held in POW camps in Europe - not on US soil.

You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that

There are Geneva conventions about combatants wearing uniforms and their
rights therein - I would suppose that if you are captured in combat
wearing the uniform of the enemy then you are treated as the enemy
regardless what your legal citizenship is.

No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

No POW probably ever set foot on US soil (while being a POW that is).

We had German POW's here in Alabamastan during WWII, funny thing, we now
have a Mercedes Benz factory. ^_^

TDD

Home Guy is clueless- there were POW camps for Germans all over the
states, and they were treated quite well, barely confined at all in many
cases, and allowed to work for local farmers and keep their wages. There
is a German POW cemetery attached to the National Cemetery a few miles
from here, where a couple dozen POWs who died in a truck accident coming
back from farm work are buried. Every year the head guy from the German
consulate in Detroit comes over, and they hold a ceremony, with local
vet groups providing an honor guard. Many of the POWs liked it so well
here in upper midwest, that after the war, they went home and got their
wives, and came right back to stay.

Remember, in many parts of the country, a lot of people had German
ancestors only a generation or three back. While everyone hated Hitler
and the Nazis, they were a lot more forgiving to some poor schlub who
got drafted into Hitler's army.

aem sends...

On 11/29/2011 10:43 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On 11/29/2011 12:12 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/28/2011 6:38 PM, Home Guy wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

During WW2 we had thousands of American citizens held in POW
camps throughout the country without access to American courts

not true. There were "concentration camps" filled with thousands
of American Citizens, but the did have access to American Courts

There were absolutely zero POW camps that held American Citizens
in the USA during WW2

You must live in a fantasy world. Over 400,000 German soldiers were
held in American POW camps

400k germans held in POW camps in Europe - not on US soil.

You either believe that none held U.S. citizenship or that

There are Geneva conventions about combatants wearing uniforms and their
rights therein - I would suppose that if you are captured in combat
wearing the uniform of the enemy then you are treated as the enemy
regardless what your legal citizenship is.

No POW ever had access to American civilian courts.

No POW probably ever set foot on US soil (while being a POW that is).

We had German POW's here in Alabamastan during WWII, funny thing, we now
have a Mercedes Benz factory. ^_^

TDD

Home Guy is clueless- there were POW camps for Germans all over the
states, and they were treated quite well, barely confined at all in many
cases, and allowed to work for local farmers and keep their wages. There
is a German POW cemetery attached to the National Cemetery a few miles
from here, where a couple dozen POWs who died in a truck accident coming
back from farm work are buried. Every year the head guy from the German
consulate in Detroit comes over, and they hold a ceremony, with local
vet groups providing an honor guard. Many of the POWs liked it so well
here in upper midwest, that after the war, they went home and got their
wives, and came right back to stay.

Remember, in many parts of the country, a lot of people had German
ancestors only a generation or three back. While everyone hated Hitler
and the Nazis, they were a lot more forgiving to some poor schlub who
got drafted into Hitler's army.

aem sends...

It's funny that I know a lot of folks from the former Soviet Union who
live in the area. Darn, The U.S. is such an awful place we can't stop
people from coming here. ^_^

TDD

"RonB" wrote in message news:14f3c428-c749-47d4-953b-

Our government has been doing this for centuries. During the 1800's
we pushed our Native Americans into increasingly small reserve areas
where they became more and more susceptible to diseases that ravaged
their people. Through a series of lies and false treaties we stole
reserve land from them and allowed settlers to squat on their land;
and cut deals with railroads to shove them off of their ancestral
lands. This caused poverty and starvation. The ones who objected
were attacked and slaughtered, or driven, in mass, into reserves. We
knew that as long as we labeled them properly ("savage", Barbarian,
etc.) we could get away with all kinds of atrocities.

The Seminoles of a parallel thread had to be bought off because they were
impossible to remove by force. They are one of the very few exceptions to
the "demonize and dispossess" policy.

And no, I am not Native American. Irish on all for corners of my family.

What's Irish and stays out all night?

Paddy O'furniture.

--
Bobby G.

wrote:

And note the timing. Captured in June, tried by a military panel, and
executed in August. All that under the patron saint of liberals,
FDR.

Also during that interval, their appeal was heard by the Supreme Court!

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

I stand by that: by definition any American Citizen who served in an
enemy military and held in an American POW camp would be guilty of
Treason. Since there were no indictments or trials for Treason during
the war, it stands to reason that no American citizens were captured
and/or held in these POW camps

Treason is a criminal offense. These foreign soldiers were not criminals.
You'll note that not any were tried for murder or attempted murder for
shooting at our troops on the battlefield.

The laws of war are different from the criminal laws; the two systems have
different offenses, different rules of evidence and procedure, different
standards of proof, and different appellate procedures. Under the usual and
customary laws of war, the accused is not entitled to a lawyer, an
indictment by a grand jury, a jury trial, compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses, or the right to remain silent. All these we guarantee to CRIMINAL
defendants, but not necessarily to others (unlawful enemy combatants,
juveniles, the mentally ill, contagious disease carriers, civil contemptors,
and others).

In other words, not everybody who does a nasty thing is subject to criminal
law.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

I stand by that: by definition any American Citizen who served in an
enemy military and held in an American POW camp would be guilty of
Treason. Since there were no indictments or trials for Treason during
the war, it stands to reason that no American citizens were captured
and/or held in these POW camps

Treason is a criminal offense. These foreign soldiers were not criminals.
You'll note that not any were tried for murder or attempted murder for
shooting at our troops on the battlefield.

The laws of war are different from the criminal laws; the two systems have
different offenses, different rules of evidence and procedure, different
standards of proof, and different appellate procedures. Under the usual and
customary laws of war, the accused is not entitled to a lawyer, an
indictment by a grand jury, a jury trial, compulsory process for obtaining
witnesses, or the right to remain silent. All these we guarantee to CRIMINAL
defendants, but not necessarily to others (unlawful enemy combatants,
juveniles, the mentally ill, contagious disease carriers, civil contemptors,
and others).

In other words, not everybody who does a nasty thing is subject to criminal
law.

Treason is treason. Anyone who commits actions to help a foreign government
overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." It is
inescapable that an "American Citizen" in the German Heer, Luftwaffe or
Kriegsmarine would qualify. The articles in the constitution make no distinction
for military personal versus civillians, so your point is irrelevant. No law of
war covers Treason. None.

Anyone accused of Treason would be accorded all of the benefits of the CRIMINAL
courts.

No one in the US was charged with Treason, therefore no American Citizens were
in American POW camps...unless you think the entire military and civilian
justice system had no interest in Traitors.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:

And note the timing. Captured in June, tried by a military panel, and
executed in August. All that under the patron saint of liberals,
FDR.

Also during that interval, their appeal was heard by the Supreme Court!

although strangely enough they were not American Citizens

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:

And note the timing. Captured in June, tried by a military panel,
and executed in August. All that under the patron saint of
liberals, FDR.

Also during that interval, their appeal was heard by the Supreme
Court!

although strangely enough they were not American Citizens

I don't think any of them had red hair, either. Neither U.S. citizenship nor
hair color would have had any bearing on their status.

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

I stand by that: by definition any American Citizen who served in an
enemy military and held in an American POW camp would be guilty of
Treason. Since there were no indictments or trials for Treason
during the war, it stands to reason that no American citizens were
captured and/or held in these POW camps

Treason is a criminal offense. These foreign soldiers were not
criminals. You'll note that not any were tried for murder or
attempted murder for shooting at our troops on the battlefield.

The laws of war are different from the criminal laws; the two
systems have different offenses, different rules of evidence and
procedure, different standards of proof, and different appellate
procedures. Under the usual and customary laws of war, the accused
is not entitled to a lawyer, an indictment by a grand jury, a jury
trial, compulsory process for obtaining witnesses, or the right to
remain silent. All these we guarantee to CRIMINAL defendants, but
not necessarily to others (unlawful enemy combatants, juveniles, the
mentally ill, contagious disease carriers, civil contemptors, and
others).

In other words, not everybody who does a nasty thing is subject to
criminal law.

Treason is treason. Anyone who commits actions to help a foreign
government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the
[parent nation]." It is inescapable that an "American Citizen" in the
German Heer, Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine would qualify. The articles in
the constitution make no distinction for military personal versus
civillians, so your point is irrelevant. No law of war covers
Treason. None.

Anyone accused of Treason would be accorded all of the benefits of
the CRIMINAL courts.

No one in the US was charged with Treason, therefore no American
Citizens were in American POW camps...unless you think the entire
military and civilian justice system had no interest in Traitors.

Right. No POW was accused of treason in the U.S. It was not because they
didn't commit acts that could be defined as treason, it was because of the
President's Article II powers. Several American citizens were convicted of
treason during the War. They we
* Herbert Haupt
* Martin Monti, Air Corps pilot, captured while serving in the SS
* Robert Best
* Mildred Gillars
* Tomoya Kawakita