New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

On 10/27/2011 7:43 PM, bob haller wrote:
New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

At the Home Depot near me they wrote the code for the wire rack on the
wall so you can start up the rack and rotate it yourself. If anyone runs
over after you do that you simply tell them that you thought it was self
service. If no one runs over you get your wire yourself.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:43:21 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

I was in HD yesterday. Cameras every where. Even the fake ones that
simulate recording crime. They have no film recorded. You can tell by
looking at them.

In Lowes today, multiple times I kept hearing "chain cutting" needed
on aisle [..].

Got me so mixed up I forgot to get a 50# bag of paver sand I need in
the morning. I had to go back under those cameras and spend another
$3.31.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:43:21 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv


Is this really your biggest concern for that day?

On 10/27/2011 8:53 PM, Oren wrote:

I was in HD yesterday. Cameras every where. Even the fake ones that
simulate recording crime. They have no film recorded. You can tell by
looking at them.

At the Home Depot near me the Sensormatic alarm must go off every 15
seconds. They are very loud and very annoying.

I once asked a cashier how many people they caught stealing stuff due to
the Sensormatic tags. She said that she'd been there since the store
opened in 2000 and that they had never caught anyone--every alarm was
either a false alarm due to the failure to deactivate the tag, or the
alarm was ignored by employees, because of so many false alarms, so they
didn't know if it was something being stolen or not. Just like car alarms.

I never stop if the alarm goes off. It's not my problem, it's theirs.
It's always amusing to see the sheeple return inside the store if they
set off the alarm.

On Oct 27, 10:43*pm, bob haller wrote:

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

To be fair, it may very well be that way because of all the other
customers who went on tirades because they were taped without their
knowledge...if not because they got sued by a thief for violating his
privacy...

On Oct 28, 3:43*am, bob haller wrote:
New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area :-)

On Oct 28, 3:06*am, harry wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:43*am, bob haller wrote:





New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area *:-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide

On Oct 28, 7:08*am, bob haller wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:06*am, harry wrote:





On Oct 28, 3:43*am, bob haller wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area *:-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nothing like that here in central NJ, at least not yet.

When you find those tags accessable (stuck on outside of
product). Peel em off gently, and stick them on the bottom
of someone else shopping buggy. That will drive the store
buggy.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"SMS" wrote in message
...

At the Home Depot near me the Sensormatic alarm must go off
every 15
seconds. They are very loud and very annoying.

I once asked a cashier how many people they caught stealing
stuff due to
the Sensormatic tags. She said that she'd been there since
the store
opened in 2000 and that they had never caught anyone--every
alarm was
either a false alarm due to the failure to deactivate the
tag, or the
alarm was ignored by employees, because of so many false
alarms, so they
didn't know if it was something being stolen or not. Just
like car alarms.

I never stop if the alarm goes off. It's not my problem,
it's theirs.
It's always amusing to see the sheeple return inside the
store if they
set off the alarm.

On Oct 28, 7:56*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
When you find those tags accessable (stuck on outside of
product). Peel em off gently, and stick them on the bottom
of someone else shopping buggy. That will drive the store
buggy.

The thing that I found amusing is that I bought a cheap set of
toothbrush holder, soap dish, etc. at Bed Bath and Beyond a while back
and while I think the most expensive item was $6 or so each one had
one of those tags on them.

The bad news is that after peeling all the tags and stickers off
(which actually required soaking with vegetable oil and then running
through the dishwasher) I found that "stainless steel" still rusts,
and will leave prominent rings of rust on your new vanity. ****in'
hell. The complete lack of quality of your average consumer product
these days drives me ape****, I guess I need to be shopping in antique
shops exclusively.

nate

On 10/27/2011 11:56 PM, Larry Fishel wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:43 pm, bob wrote:

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

To be fair, it may very well be that way because of all the other
customers who went on tirades because they were taped without their
knowledge...if not because they got sued by a thief for violating his
privacy...

The stores love the video surveillance because actually witnessing
someone stealing is the only thing that holds up in court (and it never
goes to court once the thief sees the video footage).

http://www.crimedoctor.com/shoplifting3.htm. Point 4 is very
important. I worked at a department store as a teenager and a security
guard had been watching someone in a fitting room stealing clothing, but
the shoplifter must have suspected he was being watched and ditched the
merchandise. He was apprehended in the parking lot and had no stolen
merchandise on him (never think you're not being watched in the fitting
room, and in this case it was a female security guard watching the men's
fitting rooms).

At least in some states (California included) you can't detain someone
unless you have actual evidence of a theft. That's why those "exit
checks" that some stores use are merely for intimidation, since if you
don't submit they can't do anything (other than Costco which also won't
stop you, but they will yank your membership and yes they can figure out
who you are).

At Whole Foods they won't prosecute you, they show you the video and
give you the option of being banned from the store for life or being
arrested. Don't sample anything from the food bar, they are watching!

On Oct 28, 9:21*am, SMS wrote:
On 10/27/2011 11:56 PM, Larry Fishel wrote:

On Oct 27, 10:43 pm, bob *wrote:

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

To be fair, it may very well be that way because of all the other
customers who went on tirades because they were taped without their
knowledge...if not because they got sued by a thief for violating his
privacy...

The stores love the video surveillance because actually witnessing
someone stealing is the only thing that holds up in court (and it never
goes to court once the thief sees the video footage).

http://www.crimedoctor.com/shoplifting3.htm. Point 4 is very
important. I worked at a department store as a teenager and a security
guard had been watching someone in a fitting room stealing clothing, but
the shoplifter must have suspected he was being watched and ditched the
merchandise. He was apprehended in the parking lot and had no stolen
merchandise on him (never think you're not being watched in the fitting
room, and in this case it was a female security guard watching the men's
fitting rooms).

At least in some states (California included) you can't detain someone
unless you have actual evidence of a theft. That's why those "exit
checks" that some stores use are merely for intimidation, since if you
don't submit they can't do anything (other than Costco which also won't
stop you, but they will yank your membership and yes they can figure out
who you are).

At Whole Foods they won't prosecute you, they show you the video and
give you the option of being banned from the store for life or being
arrested. Don't sample anything from the food bar, they are watching!

I could care less that they video me. what I object too are 100s of
cameras everywhere beeping loudly and flashing, but what puts it over
the edge is the 100 of mini monotors showing my picture.

i dont like how i look ( old ) and avoid mirrors too......

but this store is insane

On 10/28/2011 6:56 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
When you find those tags accessable (stuck on outside of
product). Peel em off gently, and stick them on the bottom
of someone else shopping buggy. That will drive the store
buggy.

That seems like a _very_ unMorman-like action...

--

If I ever meet a Morman, I'll be sure to tell him, or her.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"dpb" wrote in message
...
On 10/28/2011 6:56 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
When you find those tags accessable (stuck on outside of
product). Peel em off gently, and stick them on the bottom
of someone else shopping buggy. That will drive the store
buggy.

That seems like a _very_ unMorman-like action...

--

store manager called me back its a test of new technology........

cameras are fine but i wouldnt shop at any store that puts up a
monitor in my view..... thats over the edge


whoever in corporate approved this should resign or be fired for gross
stupidity

Walgreens does that. Monitor by the front door, and one at
the corner of the store.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"bob haller" wrote in message
...
store manager called me back its a test of new
technology........

cameras are fine but i wouldnt shop at any store that puts
up a
monitor in my view..... thats over the edge


whoever in corporate approved this should resign or be fired
for gross
stupidity

On 10/28/11 07:27 am, wrote:

I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide- Hide quoted text -

Nothing like that here in central NJ, at least not yet.

Ten years or so ago the two HD stores I visited most in the area where I
then lived had separate checkouts for the tool department, and one of
them had a person checking things at the main exit door as well.

I don't see either of those at the HD stores in this area. I don't know
about cameras because I haven't looked.

My point is that different HD stores may do things differently, perhaps
dependent on their loss statistics.

Perce

"bob haller" wrote in message
...
New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

What is Home Depot?

"bob haller" wrote in message
...
New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv



I asked a sales personat local WalMart if they have much promlem with shop
lifters. She replied she has watched many teenagers do this. I asked if she
calls police dept. She said NO we are not allowed to stop them.
?????????????????? WW

bob haller wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:06 am, harry wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:43 am, bob haller wrote:






New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide

I'm shocked, shocked that a big box store would take back merchandise
without a sales receipt nowadays. A small place where the owner knew the
customer and remembered what they bought maybe, but not a big one.

Years ago I wondered about how many sharpies bought an item, brought it
home and then came back a couple of days later, took an identical item
off the shelf and then "returned it" using the original sales receipt.

That got them two items for the price of one. I asked a friend who was
GM of a department store whether he was aware of that happening and he
blanched and said he'd never thought about it, and then told me he knew
that most of the thefts from his store were committed by dishonest
employees.

I remember when women employees in department stores who wanted to carry
a handback to work were required to use transparent plastic ones to
discourage shoplifting by them.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

bob haller wrote:
New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

Oh. I thought you meant their "shoplifting" security system. I was going to
offer that I always hold my bag over my head as I pass through the detectors
at the exit.

So, never mind.

Oren wrote:

I was in HD yesterday. Cameras every where. Even the fake ones that
simulate recording crime. They have no film recorded. You can tell by
looking at them.


I think the instructions cautions that the presence of a camera, even a fake
one, generates ill will amongst employees or customers. Therefore, the
instructions read, one should HIDE the camera, out of sight, even the fake
ones.

On 10/28/2011 8:29 AM, jeff_wisnia wrote:

I'm shocked, shocked that a big box store would take back merchandise
without a sales receipt nowadays. A small place where the owner knew the
customer and remembered what they bought maybe, but not a big one.

If you paid with a credit card many stores simply look up your receipt
based on the credit card number. If you paid cash you're out of luck.

On Oct 28, 11:36*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Oren wrote:

I was in HD yesterday. *Cameras every where. Even the fake ones that
simulate recording crime. They have no film recorded. You can tell by
looking at them.

I think the instructions cautions that the presence of a camera, even a fake
one, generates ill will amongst employees or customers. Therefore, the
instructions read, one should HIDE the camera, out of sight, even the fake
ones.

most cameras are in cieling mirrored balls....

this home depot system takes first place for intusive and irritating
with flashing strobe lights flashing messages and beeping. makes all
customers feel like thieves

i hope they get lots of complaints.

Hide a fake camera? Is that like refusing to take a placebo?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

I think the instructions cautions that the presence of a
camera, even a fake
one, generates ill will amongst employees or customers.
Therefore, the
instructions read, one should HIDE the camera, out of sight,
even the fake
ones.

Word gets out, and then that store becomes victim to the
biggest increase in shoplifting in recent history. Sounds
like a very poor plan.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"WW" wrote in message
...

I asked a sales personat local WalMart if they have much
promlem with shop
lifters. She replied she has watched many teenagers do this.
I asked if she
calls police dept. She said NO we are not allowed to stop
them.
?????????????????? WW

On Oct 28, 7:08*am, bob haller wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:06*am, harry wrote:





On Oct 28, 3:43*am, bob haller wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area *:-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.


....

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..


So they netted $70K minus whatever discount they sold them for and you
called them "idiots"? Doesn't sound very idiotic to me.

Idiots or not, I'd like to know how they accomplished that. At my
local HD's (three of them) the return counter is "outside" the
security system. You can not get to the return counter without leaving
the store - or at least not without going through the sensors by the
one entrance that leads to the return counter.

If you come in from the parking lot, you can either walk straight into
the store (through the sensors) or turn left to go to the return
counter (avoiding the sensors). If you are already in the store, you
would have to go out through the sensors to get to the return counter.
In addition, there is usually a greeter handing out flyers or
something as you pass through the sensors on the way into the store.
That means that they have a visual on anyone trying to access the
return counter from inside the store. I'll bet that's why the greeter
is only posted at that entrance, not at any other one.

I'd like to know how they managed to get $70K worth of carted items to
the return desk without someone or something knowing that the items
were never purchased.


i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

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On 10/28/2011 9:16 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
If I ever meet a Morman, I'll be sure to tell him, or her.

OK, so I had a typo; I suspect you got the drift anyway.

--

On Oct 28, 12:00*pm, SMS wrote:
On 10/28/2011 8:29 AM, jeff_wisnia wrote:

I'm shocked, shocked that a big box store would take back merchandise
without a sales receipt nowadays. A small place where the owner knew the
customer and remembered what they bought maybe, but not a big one.

If you paid with a credit card many stores simply look up your receipt
based on the credit card number. If you paid cash you're out of luck.

bzzzzzzt...Wrong Answer.

HD will take back items without a receipt and give you store credit as
long as you have a picture ID.

As far as looking up the transaction via your credit/debit card,
that's true. However, there are times when I know I'm going to buy
someting while I'm in HD, so if I don't have the receipt I just tell
them I paid cash - even if it was on my debit card. They just issue a
gift card and I'm good to go.

Larry Fishel wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:43 pm, bob haller wrote:

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

To be fair, it may very well be that way because of all the other
customers who went on tirades because they were taped without their
knowledge...if not because they got sued by a thief for violating his
privacy...

A lot of the messages are done to discourage theft; signs cost a lot less
than cameras, and a hell of a lot less than a loss prevention officer.

Jon

Drift received, loud and clear.

--
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"dpb" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2011 9:16 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
If I ever meet a Morman, I'll be sure to tell him, or her.

OK, so I had a typo; I suspect you got the drift anyway.

--

On Oct 28, 1:19*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Oct 28, 7:08*am, bob haller wrote:





On Oct 28, 3:06*am, harry wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:43*am, bob haller wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area *:-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

...

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

So they netted $70K minus whatever discount they sold them for and you
called them "idiots"? Doesn't sound very idiotic to me.

Idiots or not, I'd like to know how they accomplished that. At my
local HD's (three of them) the return counter is "outside" the
security system. You can not get to the return counter without leaving
the store - or at least not without going through the sensors by the
one entrance that leads to the return counter.

If you come in from the parking lot, you can either walk straight into
the store (through the sensors) or turn left to go to the return
counter (avoiding the sensors). If you are already in the store, you
would have to go out through the sensors to get to the return counter.
In addition, there is usually a greeter handing out flyers or
something as you pass through the sensors on the way into the store.
That means that they have a visual on anyone trying to access the
return counter from inside the store. I'll bet that's why the greeter
is only posted at that entrance, not at any other one.

I'd like to know how they managed to get $70K worth of carted items to
the return desk without someone or something knowing that the items
were never purchased.



i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

local home depots arent desined like this.....

the return counter is just a few steps from the main entrance....
requires walking thru no security scanners...... obviously a faulty
design

On 10/28/11 05:12 pm, bob haller wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

...

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

So they netted $70K minus whatever discount they sold them for and you
called them "idiots"? Doesn't sound very idiotic to me.

Idiots or not, I'd like to know how they accomplished that. At my
local HD's (three of them) the return counter is "outside" the
security system. You can not get to the return counter without leaving
the store - or at least not without going through the sensors by the
one entrance that leads to the return counter.

If you come in from the parking lot, you can either walk straight into
the store (through the sensors) or turn left to go to the return
counter (avoiding the sensors). If you are already in the store, you
would have to go out through the sensors to get to the return counter.
In addition, there is usually a greeter handing out flyers or
something as you pass through the sensors on the way into the store.
That means that they have a visual on anyone trying to access the
return counter from inside the store. I'll bet that's why the greeter
is only posted at that entrance, not at any other one.

I'd like to know how they managed to get $70K worth of carted items to
the return desk without someone or something knowing that the items
were never purchased.



i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

local home depots arent desined like this.....

the return counter is just a few steps from the main entrance....
requires walking thru no security scanners...... obviously a faulty
design

But if someone brings stuff from *inside* the store to the returns desk,
won't that look very suspicious?

Perce

"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote

But if someone brings stuff from *inside* the store to the returns desk,
won't that look very suspicious?

Perce

Well, it would look suspicious to any reasonable man who was paying
attention. But most "associates" are helping people find stuff that they
DON'T pay attention. Besides, "That not my yob" attitude to the max. If I
was working there, I doubt I'd confront someone, unless it was big ticket
stuff. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Then the guy gets
off and they sue the store. Very common.

Does Home Depot EVER ANYWHERE employ on-the-floor security guards that watch
people who are acting suspiciously or obviously stealing? I have seen
people THAT I KNOW ARE STEALING, but I do have some previous experience in
that area. Ray Charles could spot some of them. I have never seen a store
security person, nor seen an incident, nor seen a police car outside, like
you do at Walmart when they catch someone. We did some missing child ID
work in Nevada, and set up close to the front and stay all day. All day was
a procession of handcuffed people being led into an office behind the
customer service counter.

I DO see lots of empty packages of things that I'm sure went into someone's
pocket, and the plastic housing is always placed away from the aisle it came
from.

I guess if they have all those cameras, they must have some boots on the
ground to back them up. It's just that some of these thieves get very nasty
and physical when they know they're going to jail, and put up sometimes a
very nasty scenario. Maybe we'll see them in the future. Someone walking
around all day with a badge (I think) would cut the Borg's losses by more
than that employee's salary.

MHO, YMMV, results may vary, and all that.

Steve

On Oct 28, 5:12*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Oct 28, 1:19*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:









On Oct 28, 7:08*am, bob haller wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:06*am, harry wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:43*am, bob haller wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area *:-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

...

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

So they netted $70K minus whatever discount they sold them for and you
called them "idiots"? Doesn't sound very idiotic to me.

Idiots or not, I'd like to know how they accomplished that. At my
local HD's (three of them) the return counter is "outside" the
security system. You can not get to the return counter without leaving
the store - or at least not without going through the sensors by the
one entrance that leads to the return counter.

If you come in from the parking lot, you can either walk straight into
the store (through the sensors) or turn left to go to the return
counter (avoiding the sensors). If you are already in the store, you
would have to go out through the sensors to get to the return counter.
In addition, there is usually a greeter handing out flyers or
something as you pass through the sensors on the way into the store.
That means that they have a visual on anyone trying to access the
return counter from inside the store. I'll bet that's why the greeter
is only posted at that entrance, not at any other one.

I'd like to know how they managed to get $70K worth of carted items to
the return desk without someone or something knowing that the items
were never purchased.

i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

local home depots arent desined like this.....
....
the return counter is just a few steps from the main entrance....
requires walking thru no security scanners...... obviously a faulty
design

Perhaps you misunderstood my description of my local HD or I'm
misunderstanding yours...

Our return counter is also just a few a few steps from the entrance
and requires no walking through the scanners - but only if you are
coming in from the outside.

If you are *inside* the store, you have to go through the scanners to
get to the return counter or to get out of the store. Since there are
no check-out registers near this entrance, so there is no good reason
for a customer (or thief) to be carrying merchandise out through the
scanners at this entrance. If they were carrying unscanned items as
they went through these scanners, they are either trying to steal them
outright or trying to return something that they never bought.

In either case, the alarms would go off.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:21:53 -0700, SMS
wrote:

The stores love the video surveillance because actually witnessing
someone stealing is the only thing that holds up in court (and it never
goes to court once the thief sees the video footage).

Videos may not even exist in some cases. Last year three police
officers shot and killed a man "with a gun" at Costo in Las Vegas. He
carried concealed into ( against Costo policy - though LEGAL) the
store and the gun was observed, so police were called. The man was a
West Point graduate; prior military service.

The video recording DVR drives were taken by police, sent to an
independent forensic company for authentication.

Nothing was recovered from the drives as the drives had failed. Had
that video been available it may have proved what his family claimed
that police "killed" the man wrongly. The police were cleared during
the Coroner's Inquest. ( One cop was later charged in another incident
for selling a gun to a convicted felon).

Point is: Little attention to detail is given to video recordings by
some stores...

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:41:10 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

I guess if they have all those cameras, they must have some boots on the
ground to back them up

Steve remember this one?

Costco in Summerlin....

http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-army-veteran-shocks-friends-98223884.html

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:41:10 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

I guess if they have all those cameras, they must have some boots on the
ground to back them up

Steve remember this one?

Costco in Summerlin....

http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-army-veteran-shocks-friends-98223884.html

Oren. How long have you lived in Las Vegas?

I lived there from 1952 until 2006, with various adventures out of Nevada
and the US of eight years or so inbetween. In all the times I lived there,
I do not recall ONE instance that an officer involved shooting was ruled
against by the board of review.

And there were some that were shadier than this one.

Steve

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
On Oct 28, 5:12 pm, bob haller wrote:
On Oct 28, 1:19 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:









On Oct 28, 7:08 am, bob haller wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:06 am, harry wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:43 am, bob haller wrote:

New Home Depot store security
I went to home depot today. searching for a employee to get some
wire
cut, couldnt find anyone close by electrical.

did find the store full of a new security system. It features
cameras
and tv monitors, with flashing lights, beeping constantly, and
messages you are bering recorded.

Now I dont mind security cameras or even audio recordings but dont
care to see my picture repeatedly, they literally have hundreds of
cameras with monitors all thru the store.

Unable to find help I stopped at the registers to give the store
manager my opinion of their new security system. a guy did come I
asked are you a manager? well no can i help? no i want to speak to
the
store manager, no he isnt available......

Well I went on a tirade of their new system, and left suggesting
they
take a photo of me a now lost customer..

I am all for stopping retail theft but this is way too annoying
and
the beeping drove me nuts

I called home depot complaint line, they took my info but no one
called me back.

has anyone else seen anything so intrusiv

You obviously live in a rough area :-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the store isnt in a rough area, low overall crime rate even for
pittsburgh zip 15237.

home depot recently stopped a major theft problem.

...

idiots would take a cart, load it up with high value stuff, then
return it at customer service using fake IDs. net take 70 grand. the
thieves would be issued gift cards, the thief would sell them on
craigslist for a discount..

So they netted $70K minus whatever discount they sold them for and you
called them "idiots"? Doesn't sound very idiotic to me.

Idiots or not, I'd like to know how they accomplished that. At my
local HD's (three of them) the return counter is "outside" the
security system. You can not get to the return counter without leaving
the store - or at least not without going through the sensors by the
one entrance that leads to the return counter.

If you come in from the parking lot, you can either walk straight into
the store (through the sensors) or turn left to go to the return
counter (avoiding the sensors). If you are already in the store, you
would have to go out through the sensors to get to the return counter.
In addition, there is usually a greeter handing out flyers or
something as you pass through the sensors on the way into the store.
That means that they have a visual on anyone trying to access the
return counter from inside the store. I'll bet that's why the greeter
is only posted at that entrance, not at any other one.

I'd like to know how they managed to get $70K worth of carted items to
the return desk without someone or something knowing that the items
were never purchased.

i guess home depot wants to discourage copy cat thieves........

like i said i dont mind video and even audio recordings, but refuse to
see me on every camera in the store.

today i will check out lowes, hopefully they havent done the same
thing.

if this sticks it will be in every store nationwide- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

local home depots arent desined like this.....
....
the return counter is just a few steps from the main entrance....
requires walking thru no security scanners...... obviously a faulty
design

Perhaps you misunderstood my description of my local HD or I'm
misunderstanding yours...

Our return counter is also just a few a few steps from the entrance
and requires no walking through the scanners - but only if you are
coming in from the outside.

If you are *inside* the store, you have to go through the scanners to
get to the return counter or to get out of the store. Since there are
no check-out registers near this entrance, so there is no good reason
for a customer (or thief) to be carrying merchandise out through the
scanners at this entrance. If they were carrying unscanned items as
they went through these scanners, they are either trying to steal them
outright or trying to return something that they never bought.

In either case, the alarms would go off.

reply: It is so at my HD also, and to the best of my memory, in EVERY HD I
have ever been in. I have wondered about that more than once.

Steve