As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

(No, at this point, I do not know what is below the section without
the gutter, i.e. blacktop, bushes, etc. I'll have to see if I can find
out without getting arrested for trespassing.)

On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
....

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?
....

What's so bad about that? Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

--

On Oct 14, 11:59*am, dpb wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

What's so bad about that? *Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

Which for many houses would lead to a slow and prolonged death,
highlighted by short periods of flooding to break up the monotony.

R

On Oct 14, 10:17 am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

(No, at this point, I do not know what is below the section without
the gutter, i.e. blacktop, bushes, etc. I'll have to see if I can find
out without getting arrested for trespassing.)

I'm assuming by your surprise, and reading between the lines, that the
window in question is in a dormer of some sort, and that it has a flat
roof, and not a gable, pitched in the same direction as the main roof.

The question is - how much roof is above that window, and have
diverters been installed to direct the water towards either side?

R

DerbyDad03 wrote:
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.

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On Oct 14, 5:11*pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

Sure. *I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.


Lives in Death Valley?

On 10/14/11 12:11 pm, dadiOH wrote:

As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.

For one year we lived in a townhouse complex with no gutters. Water
poured off the roof into the window wells and flooded the basements.

Perce

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:11:23 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:

DerbyDad03 wrote:
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.

Can't even hang them on mine.

On Oct 14, 12:06*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 10:17 am, DerbyDad03 wrote:





As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

(No, at this point, I do not know what is below the section without
the gutter, i.e. blacktop, bushes, etc. I'll have to see if I can find
out without getting arrested for trespassing.)

I'm assuming by your surprise, and reading between the lines, that the
window in question is in a dormer of some sort, and that it has a flat
roof, and not a gable, pitched in the same direction as the main roof.

The question is - how much roof is above that window, and have
diverters been installed to direct the water towards either side?

R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Either I should have been clearer or you shouldn't have read between
the lines.

Why would I have been suprised by a roof/gutter system that directed
water into the gutters as opposed to letting it flow off the roof over
the window and onto the ground? We see those types of systems
everyday, depending on the style of roof, so there would have been no
reason for me to post about it.

As a visual, pretend that the "garage" in this picture is 2 stories
and that the window is on the second floor.

http://www.thecountrytree.com/pictures/gable280.gif

Now pretend that there is a gutter and downspout on each side of the
window, but not over the window. Over the window, the roof is extended
to at least the same plane as the front of the gutters so water
wouldn't be running down the front of the window itself, but would
flow out and down.

My only point is that they installed gutters everywhere else on the
house but chose not to use gutters over this window for (I assume)
aesthetic purposes. Why else would they have gone through the trouble
of the extra downspout and extended roof if it wasn't just for looks?

Serious question: If it wasn't for aesthetics, can you think of a
reason why they would want the water from over that window to reach
the ground directly?

On 10/14/2011 11:03 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 11:59 am, wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

What's so bad about that? Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

Which for many houses would lead to a slow and prolonged death,
highlighted by short periods of flooding to break up the monotony.

Well, there are many here which are at least approach 100 like ours that
haven't suffered such fates...all depends on the climate and locale.

Certainly, even back where it did rain when in TN/VA I'd think little of
a short section being likely to be a major disaster.

--

On Oct 14, 11:59*am, dpb wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
...

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

...

What's so bad about that? *Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

--

But I'm not talking about choosing to have *no* gutters, I'm talking
about 99% of the house having gutters, just not over this window. I
can only assume that it's for aesthetic purposes.

The way I see it is that if someone is in the camp that feels that
gutters are worthwhile to have, why pick one window to not have them
over - considering the extra work required to install 2 sections with
2 downspouts instead of just one long section and one downspout. In
addition, you now have to deal the water coming from 2 downspouts, not
one. Might not be a major issue, but still something that has to be
dealt with.

Just seems a little odd, to me at least.

On Oct 14, 1:52*pm, dpb wrote:
On 10/14/2011 11:03 AM, RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 14, 11:59 am, *wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

What's so bad about that? *Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

Which for many houses would lead to a slow and prolonged death,
highlighted by short periods of flooding to break up the monotony.

Well, there are many here which are at least approach 100 like ours that
haven't suffered such fates...all depends on the climate and locale.

Certainly, even back where it did rain when in TN/VA I'd think little of
a short section being likely to be a major disaster.

--

The house in question is in Western NY where the average rainfall is
~33 inches/year.

On Oct 14, 1:50*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Serious question: If it wasn't for aesthetics, can you think of a
reason why they would want the water from over that window to reach
the ground directly?

Other than aesthetics, there is no reason. The window was designed
that way, probably for the same reason people install artificial
waterfalls. Someone likes to sit in that window during a rain storm
and watch the water fall off the roof. Could be someone with special
needs like autism for all we know.

A short section of roof dripping is not going to cause a flooded
basement if the rest of the roof is diverted properly with gutters. Of
course they could have taken further precautions with this section of
wall by installing a drain directly below.

Maybe you can catch someone in the front yard as you pass by sometime.
Compliment them on the beautiful house and how that particular
architectural feature fascinates you.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Oct 14, 1:52*pm, dpb wrote:
On 10/14/2011 11:03 AM, RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 14, 11:59 am, *wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

What's so bad about that? *Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

Which for many houses would lead to a slow and prolonged death,
highlighted by short periods of flooding to break up the monotony.

Well, there are many here which are at least approach 100 like ours that
haven't suffered such fates...all depends on the climate and locale.

Certainly, even back where it did rain when in TN/VA I'd think little of
a short section being likely to be a major disaster.

--

The house in question is in Western NY where the average rainfall is
~33 inches/year.

Our average annual rainfall is 53". Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. I'd like to have done something over the entrance. Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

harry wrote:
On Oct 14, 5:11 pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square
feet, all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really
nice house in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by
driving by if it was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above
was at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage
section there was a single window on the second floor, right in the
middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left
of the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out
creating a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows
on the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section
of a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.


Lives in Death Valley?

Florida. Roughly 50 inches per year, mostly June - Sept.

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On Oct 14, 1:50 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

My only point is that they installed gutters everywhere else on the
house but chose not to use gutters over this window for (I assume)
aesthetic purposes. Why else would they have gone through the trouble
of the extra downspout and extended roof if it wasn't just for looks?

Serious question: If it wasn't for aesthetics, can you think of a
reason why they would want the water from over that window to reach
the ground directly?

Lacking a picture and based on your general description, who knows?

My question was if you you could see the roof above that dormer has
diverters. They're not always visible from the ground, they don't
stand up much, and if the roofer was doing his job he'd have used the
correct color flashing so that the diverters would blend in with the
shingles. The diverter could be set back from the edge, right? In
fact it should/has to be.

They might have skipped the diverter and gutter, they might have build
in a concealed gutter system (you said the house was high end,
right?), etc.

More information = better answers.

R

On Oct 14, 2:54*pm, "
wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". *Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. *I'd like to have done something over the entrance. *Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. You could also install Yankee gutters. You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Neither would be as cheap and easy to install as fascia hung K-
section, but that's neither here nor there.

R

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:26:32 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.

Can't even hang them on mine.

The fascias on ours follow the roof pitch, rather than being vertical, so
it's a pain in the butt to attach gutters. We get huge amounts of snow
here too, which means big slides even if the roof is raked often - not
good for gutters if it manages to catch them on the way down (BTDT).

As far as the OP's question, I think it's either aesthetics or they just
got so far in the job and never quite finished it.

cheers

Jules

I'd suggest to ring the bell, and ask whoever answers. There
may be a fantastic, and interesting story to tell. Or, it
may be that the contractors missed that part, and they been
chasing the contractors for closure, since then.

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"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand
square feet,
all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really
nice house
in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by
driving by if it
was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms
above was
at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage
section
there was a single window on the second floor, right in the
middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right
and left of
the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out
creating
a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of
gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4'
section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has
windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single
length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a
section of
a roof without gutters?

(No, at this point, I do not know what is below the section
without
the gutter, i.e. blacktop, bushes, etc. I'll have to see if
I can find
out without getting arrested for trespassing.)

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 14, 2:54*pm, "
wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". *Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. *I'd like to have done something over the entrance. *Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. You could also install Yankee gutters. You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Wrong, Rico, as usual. The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

Neither would be as cheap and easy to install as fascia hung K-
section, but that's neither here nor there.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:47:27 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:26:32 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.

Can't even hang them on mine.

The fascias on ours follow the roof pitch, rather than being vertical, so
it's a pain in the butt to attach gutters. We get huge amounts of snow
here too, which means big slides even if the roof is raked often - not
good for gutters if it manages to catch them on the way down (BTDT).

No fascia at all on ours. The (the fake) rafter ends are exposed.

As far as the OP's question, I think it's either aesthetics or they just
got so far in the job and never quite finished it.

The point is that the absence of gutters, particularly a small section, is not
something that will inevitably ruin a house.

On Oct 14, " wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". *Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. *I'd like to have done something over the entrance. *Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. *It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. *You could also install Yankee gutters. *You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Wrong, Rico, as usual. *The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. *There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

The bug up your ass has reached your brain.

Half round gutters.
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/products_gutter_6.html
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/Gutter/gutter6.gif
and
http://www.guttersupply.com/p-Stainl...-Hangers.gstml

Want K-section gutters?
Seventh one down:
http://www.egutter.com/RAIN-GUTTERS-...uminum-K-Style
"Hanger Alum 5" K Style Wraparound White
Installs 5" K Style gutter to roof with this 5" Wraparound hanger
bracket. Special riveted roof strap enable gutter installation where
slanted or no fascia exist. Available in White and Royal Brown only."

Want rafter attachment instead of roof?
http://www.guttersupply.com/m-copper-shanks-11.gstml

You can ask questions, too. This is how we learn - not by saying
something is not possible.

R

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 14, " wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". *Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. *I'd like to have done something over the entrance. *Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. *It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. *You could also install Yankee gutters. *You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Wrong, Rico, as usual. *The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. *There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

The bug up your ass has reached your brain.

Half round gutters.
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/products_gutter_6.html
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/Gutter/gutter6.gif
and
http://www.guttersupply.com/p-Stainl...-Hangers.gstml


You're still batting zero, Rico. ...not that anyone is surprised.

Want K-section gutters?
Seventh one down:
http://www.egutter.com/RAIN-GUTTERS-...uminum-K-Style

Page not found.

"Hanger Alum 5" K Style Wraparound White
Installs 5" K Style gutter to roof with this 5" Wraparound hanger
bracket. Special riveted roof strap enable gutter installation where
slanted or no fascia exist. Available in White and Royal Brown only."

Want rafter attachment instead of roof?
http://www.guttersupply.com/m-copper-shanks-11.gstml

Nope. Not going to work either.

You can ask questions, too. This is how we learn - not by saying
something is not possible.

Don't wake up. People would fall out of their chairs.

On Oct 14, 11:28*pm, "
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. I'd like to have done something over the entrance. Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. You could also install Yankee gutters. You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Wrong, Rico, as usual. The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

The bug up your ass has reached your brain.

Half round gutters.
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/products_gutter_6.html
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/Gutter/gutter6.gif
and
http://www.guttersupply.com/p-Stainl...d-Gutter-Hange...

You're still batting zero, Rico. *...not that anyone is surprised.

Want K-section gutters?
Seventh one down:
http://www.egutter.com/RAIN-GUTTERS-...r-Aluminum-K-S...

Page not found.

Anybody else having problems opening that page?

"Hanger Alum 5" K Style Wraparound White
Installs 5" K Style gutter to roof with this 5" Wraparound hanger
bracket. Special riveted roof strap enable gutter installation where
slanted or no fascia exist. Available in White and Royal Brown only."

Want rafter attachment instead of roof?
http://www.guttersupply.com/m-copper-shanks-11.gstml

Nope. *Not going to work either.

You can ask questions, too. *This is how we learn - not by saying
something is not possible.

Don't wake up. *People would fall out of their chairs.

http://www.amerimax.com/faqs.asp#30
"30. HOW DO I INSTALL GUTTER IF I HAVE NO FASCIA BOARD?
Use a hanger with roof strap."

You know - just like those three links I provided. Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. Let's see what you
consider impossible.

R

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:48:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 14, 11:28*pm, "
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. I'd like to have done something over the entrance. Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. You could also install Yankee gutters. You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Wrong, Rico, as usual. The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

The bug up your ass has reached your brain.

Half round gutters.
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/products_gutter_6.html
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/Gutter/gutter6.gif
and
http://www.guttersupply.com/p-Stainl...d-Gutter-Hange...

You're still batting zero, Rico. *...not that anyone is surprised.

Want K-section gutters?
Seventh one down:
http://www.egutter.com/RAIN-GUTTERS-...r-Aluminum-K-S...

Page not found.

Anybody else having problems opening that page?

"Hanger Alum 5" K Style Wraparound White
Installs 5" K Style gutter to roof with this 5" Wraparound hanger
bracket. Special riveted roof strap enable gutter installation where
slanted or no fascia exist. Available in White and Royal Brown only."

Want rafter attachment instead of roof?
http://www.guttersupply.com/m-copper-shanks-11.gstml

Nope. *Not going to work either.

You can ask questions, too. *This is how we learn - not by saying
something is not possible.

Don't wake up. *People would fall out of their chairs.

http://www.amerimax.com/faqs.asp#30
"30. HOW DO I INSTALL GUTTER IF I HAVE NO FASCIA BOARD?
Use a hanger with roof strap."

A 24" roof strap? ...into what? No thanks. Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

On Oct 14, 6:52*pm, dpb wrote:
On 10/14/2011 11:03 AM, RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 14, 11:59 am, *wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

What's so bad about that? *Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

Which for many houses would lead to a slow and prolonged death,
highlighted by short periods of flooding to break up the monotony.

Well, there are many here which are at least approach 100 like ours that
haven't suffered such fates...all depends on the climate and locale.

Certainly, even back where it did rain when in TN/VA I'd think little of
a short section being likely to be a major disaster.

--

Gutters are a realtively new idea. A couple of hundred years ago,few
houses had them.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

A 24" roof strap? ...into what? No thanks. Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group. Or the web.

--

dadiOH
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On Oct 15, 12:48*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 11:28*pm, "









wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. I'd like to have done something over the entrance. Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. You could also install Yankee gutters. You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them..

Wrong, Rico, as usual. The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

The bug up your ass has reached your brain.

Half round gutters.
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/products_gutter_6.html
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/Gutter/gutter6.gif
and
http://www.guttersupply.com/p-Stainl...d-Gutter-Hange....

You're still batting zero, Rico. *...not that anyone is surprised.

Want K-section gutters?
Seventh one down:
http://www.egutter.com/RAIN-GUTTERS-...r-Aluminum-K-S....

Page not found.

Anybody else having problems opening that page?

"Hanger Alum 5" K Style Wraparound White
Installs 5" K Style gutter to roof with this 5" Wraparound hanger
bracket. Special riveted roof strap enable gutter installation where
slanted or no fascia exist. Available in White and Royal Brown only."

Want rafter attachment instead of roof?
http://www.guttersupply.com/m-copper-shanks-11.gstml

Nope. *Not going to work either.

You can ask questions, too. *This is how we learn - not by saying
something is not possible.

Don't wake up. *People would fall out of their chairs.

http://www.amerimax.com/faqs.asp#30
"30. HOW DO I INSTALL GUTTER IF I HAVE NO FASCIA BOARD?
Use a hanger with roof strap."

You know - just like those three links I provided. *Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. *Let's see what you
consider impossible.

R

Works for me...

I quote from page:

Hanger Alum 5" Standard K Style Hidden with Clip 1000 Pieces

On Oct 15, 1:07*am, "
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:48:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 11:28*pm, "
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, " wrote:

Our average annual rainfall is 53". Due to the design of the house, gutters
aren't possible. I'd like to have done something over the entrance. Water
coming off the 12/12 pitch roof isn't fun to walk through and the valley
between the garage (15/12) and house can get pretty intense.

OTOH, the elevation is good (lot slopes ~8' down to the street, from the
house) and it's on a slab, as almost all houses here are.

You can hang gutters off of any roof. It just depends on the bracket
and the type of gutter. You could also install Yankee gutters. You
used to live in New England, so I'm sure you are familiar with them.

Wrong, Rico, as usual. The house has exposed ornamental (fake) rafter-ends.
No sofit, no fascia. There is nothing to anchor the gutters to but a sky
hook.

The bug up your ass has reached your brain.

Half round gutters.
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/products_gutter_6.html
http://www.oldworldgutter.com/Gutter/gutter6.gif
and
http://www.guttersupply.com/p-Stainl...d-Gutter-Hange....

You're still batting zero, Rico. *...not that anyone is surprised.

Want K-section gutters?
Seventh one down:
http://www.egutter.com/RAIN-GUTTERS-...r-Aluminum-K-S....

Page not found.

Anybody else having problems opening that page?

"Hanger Alum 5" K Style Wraparound White
Installs 5" K Style gutter to roof with this 5" Wraparound hanger
bracket. Special riveted roof strap enable gutter installation where
slanted or no fascia exist. Available in White and Royal Brown only."

Want rafter attachment instead of roof?
http://www.guttersupply.com/m-copper-shanks-11.gstml

Nope. *Not going to work either.

You can ask questions, too. *This is how we learn - not by saying
something is not possible.

Don't wake up. *People would fall out of their chairs.

http://www.amerimax.com/faqs.asp#30
"30. HOW DO I INSTALL GUTTER IF I HAVE NO FASCIA BOARD?
Use a hanger with roof strap."

A 24" roof strap? *...into what? *No thanks. *Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. *Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. *Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

www.tinypic.com
www.photobucket.com

I could go on...

On Oct 15, 3:26*am, harry wrote:

Gutters are a realtively new idea. *A couple of hundred years ago,few
houses had them.

If by relatively new you mean thousands of years old, yes, you are
correct. Back in the day collecting rainwater was easy way to get
drinking water.

In your neck of the woods, where purportedly it rains 366 days a year,
this probably wasn't so much of a question.

Gutters and rainwater collection should be mandatory for a number of
reasons, disaster preparedness not the least of them.

R

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:

wrote:

A 24" roof strap? ...into what? No thanks. Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

....and get spammed for the rest of eternity? No thanks.

On Oct 15, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:
wrote:

A 24" roof strap? *...into what? *No thanks. *Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. *Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. *Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. *My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

...and get spammed for the rest of eternity? *No thanks.

Perhaps you've never heard of this technique:

Don't use your real information when using image hosting sites on the
web.

BTW...as far as I know, tinypic requires no registration, therefore
there's no way to get spammed.

On Oct 15, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:
wrote:

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. *My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

...and get spammed for the rest of eternity? *No thanks.

Be careful. When you backpedal that quickly your chain is apt to
become jammed.

R

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:23:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Oct 15, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:
wrote:

A 24" roof strap? *...into what? *No thanks. *Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. *Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. *Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. *My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

...and get spammed for the rest of eternity? *No thanks.

Perhaps you've never heard of this technique:

Don't use your real information when using image hosting sites on the
web.

BTW...as far as I know, tinypic requires no registration, therefore
there's no way to get spammed.

Tried one, once. GOt spammed for years. No thanks.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:51:45 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 15, 10:08*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:
wrote:

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. *My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

...and get spammed for the rest of eternity? *No thanks.

Be careful. When you backpedal that quickly your chain is apt to
become jammed.

No backpedal at all. I'm not about to register for some "free" site.
TANSTAAFL.

" wrote:

Be careful. When you backpedal that quickly your chain is apt to
become jammed.

No backpedal at all. I'm not about to register for some "free" site.

What a maroon you are.

I have several hotmail and yahoo "throw-away" accounts. I used one of
them 5+ years ago to register for a free fileden account. If I want to
post any files or pics for others to download, I use fileden. If any
spam comes to those throw-away hotmail or yahoo accounts because I used
them to register for fileden - what do I care?

If you value your hotmail or yahoo e-mail addresses, then go and get
yourself a hushmail.com e-mail account. You don't have to supply
hushmail with a "validation" account in the process.

Go and register ", then use that as a validation
account for file-hosting sites like fileden or tinypic.

On Oct 15, 12:05*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:51:45 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:08 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:
wrote:

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

...and get spammed for the rest of eternity? No thanks.

Be careful. *When you backpedal that quickly your chain is apt to
become jammed.

No backpedal at all. *I'm not about to register for some "free" site.
TANSTAAFL.

It appears that you can't backpedal and read at the same time.

1 - Many sites require *no registration*. You can't get spammed if you
don't register.

2 - Even if you find a site that requires registration, use a
throwaway email address and fake personal data. Who cares if they
spam...



If you don't want to post a picture and possibly learn something about
gutters and fake rafters, then just say so. All the other excuses are
a waste of time.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Oct 15, 10:08 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:08:56 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:
wrote:

A 24" roof strap? ...into what? No thanks. Holes in roofs aren't my
"thing".

You know - just like those three links I provided. Sheesh.

Tell you what, kemosabe, post a picture of your roof edge and I'll
design the gutter system for you at no charge. Let's see what you
consider impossible.

Text only NG.

So post it on a binary group.

Nope. My NNTP server doesn't carry them.

Or the web.

...and get spammed for the rest of eternity? No thanks.

Perhaps you've never heard of this technique:

Don't use your real information when using image hosting sites on the
web.

GASP! You would actually *LIE*?? GASP AGAIN
--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:58:48 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Oct 14, 11:59Â*am, dpb wrote:
On 10/14/2011 9:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
...

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows on
the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section of
a roof without gutters?

...

What's so bad about that? Â*Heck, we don't have gutters at all....

--

But I'm not talking about choosing to have *no* gutters, I'm talking
about 99% of the house having gutters, just not over this window. I
can only assume that it's for aesthetic purposes.

The way I see it is that if someone is in the camp that feels that
gutters are worthwhile to have, why pick one window to not have them
over - considering the extra work required to install 2 sections with
2 downspouts instead of just one long section and one downspout. In
addition, you now have to deal the water coming from 2 downspouts, not
one. Might not be a major issue, but still something that has to be
dealt with.

Just seems a little odd, to me at least.
Mabee the house was built without gutters in the first place, with
the extended roofline to divert the water out past the window and that
didn't work, so they put gutters on???

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:48:15 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

harry wrote:
On Oct 14, 5:11 pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
As I was driving to work today I noticed a strange gutter
configuration on a house.

I'll classify the house as "high end"...several thousand square
feet, all brick, nice dormers, landscaping, etc. It was a really
nice house in an expensive neighborhood. I couldn't tell just by
driving by if it was fairly new or decades old.

The section of the house that contained the garage and rooms above
was at a right angle to main house. On the side of that garage
section there was a single window on the second floor, right in the
middle.

There was a section of gutter and a downspout on the right and left
of the window, but over the window itself the roof extended out
creating a slight overhang. There was no gutter over the window.

It looked OK...nice and symmetrical - even lengths of gutters and a
downspout at the ends away from the window.

However, I have to question the decision to leave a ~4' section of
roof without a gutter. The sides of the main house also has windows
on the second floor, but on that section they use a single length of
gutter for the entire side.

Would you, for apparently aesthetics reasons only, leave a section
of a roof without gutters?

Sure. I have roughly 400' of roof line without gutters.


Lives in Death Valley?

Florida. Roughly 50 inches per year, mostly June - Sept.
and no basement

In many cases gravel filled "ditch" around the house to drain off the
rainfall from the roof.