Either someone did this with a BB gun, or I did this with my lawn mower,
but one of my windows (double-pane, removable inner pane) has a small
hole (maybe 1/4" in the middle of a 1/2" crater) and a couple of short
cracks radiating outward from the crater. This is (naturally) in the
outer pane. This is plate glass, about 1/8" thick.

I know that car windshield repair commercials show some sort of clear
liquid being injected into a windshield crater and makes the crater and
cracks disappear. I don't need the fancy equipment - just the liquid.

Anyone know what it is, and does the Home Despot (or other hardware
stores) sell it?

On 9/27/2011 5:30 PM, Home Guy wrote:
car windshield repair

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/42..._repair.htm l

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:30:02 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

Either someone did this with a BB gun, or I did this with my lawn mower,
but one of my windows (double-pane, removable inner pane) has a small
hole (maybe 1/4" in the middle of a 1/2" crater) and a couple of short
cracks radiating outward from the crater. This is (naturally) in the
outer pane. This is plate glass, about 1/8" thick.

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Home Guy wrote:
Either someone did this with a BB gun, or I did this with my lawn mower,
but one of my windows (double-pane, removable inner pane) has a small
hole (maybe 1/4" in the middle of a 1/2" crater) and a couple of short
cracks radiating outward from the crater. This is (naturally) in the
outer pane. This is plate glass, about 1/8" thick.

I know that car windshield repair commercials show some sort of clear
liquid being injected into a windshield crater and makes the crater and
cracks disappear. I don't need the fancy equipment - just the liquid.

Anyone know what it is, and does the Home Despot (or other hardware
stores) sell it?
Hi,
Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets cold.

Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

The window in question is an Anderson window unit, about 25 years old.
I don't recall off-hand how the outside pane is mounted into the wood
surround, but the inner pane is mounted into an aluminum frame that
includes some sort of thin rubber/vinyl seal that presses against it's
side of the surround. There are thin clips mounted into this aluminum
frame that hold the inner pane in place. This is a double-pane window,
but it's not air tight (never was) but I guess it's reasonably
air-tight.

So the short answer to both of your comments is that I'm not going to
replace the broken pane.

JimT wrote:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/ ...

Yea, that's nice. I'll just phone up the port of SHANGHAI and place an
escrow order for a case of "all purpose 50cps automotive windshield
repair".

But your link does give this little nugget:

U&R windshield repair resin

Hmmm. I wonder what website might specialize in windshield repair
resin.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was something like, oh, something corny
like

http://www.windshieldrepairresin.org/

Well wouldn't ya know.

Too bad that I'm up here in the people's republic of Kanada - where the
only other place in the world where it's harder to buy specialty retail
products is North Korea.

Ok, I think this will do it:

http://www.walmart.ca/Automotive/Aut...eld-Repair-Kit

Canada Tire would probably also have something like this.

On 9/27/2011 8:26 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:


Home Guy wrote:
Either someone did this with a BB gun, or I did this with my lawn mower,
but one of my windows (double-pane, removable inner pane) has a small
hole (maybe 1/4" in the middle of a 1/2" crater) and a couple of short
cracks radiating outward from the crater. This is (naturally) in the
outer pane. This is plate glass, about 1/8" thick.

I know that car windshield repair commercials show some sort of clear
liquid being injected into a windshield crater and makes the crater and
cracks disappear. I don't need the fancy equipment - just the liquid.

Anyone know what it is, and does the Home Despot (or other hardware
stores) sell it?
Hi,
Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets cold.

Read it again- removable inner pane, not insulated glass. For OP- forget
it- there is no pretty repair. The car windshield repairs work because
they have a plastic center layer, and you can suck all the air out as
you are adding the plastic. No way to do that with air on both sides of
pane. If you can't afford to replace right now, just clean the area, and
apply clear tape over it- that should get you through the winter. If you
wanna disguise it, get one of those bird stickers that supposedly
prevent bird kamikaze attacks. But if you can remove the frame
containing the damaged glass to carry it in to the window shop, you may
be surprised how cheap the repair is.

--
aem sends...

Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

The window in question is an Anderson window unit, about 25 years old.
I don't recall off-hand how the outside pane is mounted into the wood
surround, but the inner pane is mounted into an aluminum frame that
includes some sort of thin rubber/vinyl seal that presses against it's
side of the surround. There are thin clips mounted into this aluminum
frame that hold the inner pane in place. This is a double-pane window,
but it's not air tight (never was) but I guess it's reasonably
air-tight.
Hi,
As a mattter of fact, I am in Calgary. This afternoon my glazier came
and replaced 3 double pane panels which sprang a leak. Replacing 3
panels 5'x7'. two 2'x5', total time it took working inside, less than 2
hours. Cost was ~one grand, warranty is 10 years. Custom ordered Low E
Argon gas filled panel with mullion bars. Old ones were already fogging
up from the changing weather.

Home Guy wrote:
Either someone did this with a BB gun, or I did this with my lawn
mower, but one of my windows (double-pane, removable inner pane) has
a small hole (maybe 1/4" in the middle of a 1/2" crater) and a couple
of short cracks radiating outward from the crater. This is
(naturally) in the outer pane. This is plate glass, about 1/8" thick.

I know that car windshield repair commercials show some sort of clear
liquid being injected into a windshield crater and makes the crater
and cracks disappear. I don't need the fancy equipment - just the
liquid.

Anyone know what it is, and does the Home Despot (or other hardware
stores) sell it?

I patched such a hole with clear epoxy, which at least forms a proper seal from
the rain. Put clear tape on both sides, leaving the top open on the large hole
side so you can drip just the right amount of mixed epoxy in, then press the
tape over it to form a reasonable flat patch. Peel the tape off after it cures.

Wide clear packing tape from work. If you have a job.

Jr.

If you work in a factory with a shipping department.

Jr.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...


Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

The window in question is an Anderson window unit, about 25 years old.
I don't recall off-hand how the outside pane is mounted into the wood
surround, but the inner pane is mounted into an aluminum frame that
includes some sort of thin rubber/vinyl seal that presses against it's
side of the surround. There are thin clips mounted into this aluminum
frame that hold the inner pane in place. This is a double-pane window,
but it's not air tight (never was) but I guess it's reasonably
air-tight.
Hi,
As a mattter of fact, I am in Calgary. This afternoon my glazier came and
replaced 3 double pane panels which sprang a leak. Replacing 3 panels
5'x7'. two 2'x5', total time it took working inside, less than 2 hours.
Cost was ~one grand, warranty is 10 years. Custom ordered Low E
Argon gas filled panel with mullion bars. Old ones were already fogging up
from the changing weather.

Yeah, I got ripped off by a local glass company, charged similar prices to
replace some failed sealed units. They failed within 3 years and I got my
replacements made at a factory for only $30.00 each, insulated separators,
low-E and all the bells and whistles. When I pulled the failed replacement
units, I found the local guy had cheated not only in price but in quality,
the separators were aluminum not insulated, and they were only 3/8" thick,
not the normal 1/2. My new units were ordered at 9/16" thick.

On 9/27/2011 8:50 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!
Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.
I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

The window in question is an Anderson window unit, about 25 years old.
I don't recall off-hand how the outside pane is mounted into the wood
surround, but the inner pane is mounted into an aluminum frame that
includes some sort of thin rubber/vinyl seal that presses against it's
side of the surround. There are thin clips mounted into this aluminum
frame that hold the inner pane in place. This is a double-pane window,
but it's not air tight (never was) but I guess it's reasonably
air-tight.

So the short answer to both of your comments is that I'm not going to
replace the broken pane.

JimT wrote:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/ ...
Yea, that's nice. I'll just phone up the port of SHANGHAI and place an
escrow order for a case of "all purpose 50cps automotive windshield
repair".


Uh...you asked "what" it is. If you knew about a little thing called
Google you wouldn't ask such stupid questions.

Somebody said you were a prick. Thanks for the confirmation.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:50:17 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

You wanted a "fix". The fix to replace the glass pane is one you
didn't like. My suggestion still stands.

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but are you not the guy that saves money
stealing movies from the Internet?

If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. If I'm correct, spend the money
saved on a sash pane.

Post a picture and we can tell you how to get the sash out and you can
find a local glass shop to take it too.

On Sep 27, 9:50*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:
De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!
Tony Hwang wrote:
Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

The window in question is an Anderson window unit, about 25 years old.
I don't recall off-hand how the outside pane is mounted into the wood
surround, but the inner pane is mounted into an aluminum frame that
includes some sort of thin rubber/vinyl seal that presses against it's
side of the surround. *There are thin clips mounted into this aluminum
frame that hold the inner pane in place. *This is a double-pane window,
but it's not air tight (never was) but I guess it's reasonably
air-tight.

So the short answer to both of your comments is that I'm not going to
replace the broken pane.

JimT wrote:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/...

Yea, that's nice. *I'll just phone up the port of SHANGHAI and place an
escrow order for a case of "all purpose 50cps automotive windshield
repair". *

But your link does give this little nugget:

* *U&R windshield repair resin

Hmmm. *I wonder what website might specialize in windshield repair
resin.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was something like, oh, something corny
like

* *http://www.windshieldrepairresin.org/

Well wouldn't ya know.

Too bad that I'm up here in the people's republic of Kanada - where the
only other place in the world where it's harder to buy specialty retail
products is North Korea.

Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass. Either
replace the unit, or plug the hole with whatever you like. The unit is
gonna end up fogging up, which is going to leave water stains. So you
can replace it now or later.

On Sep 27, 10:05*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Ok, I think this will do it:

http://www.walmart.ca/Automotive/Aut...alty-Repair/Pr...

Canada Tire would probably also have something like this.

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

On Sep 28, 4:51*pm, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:50:17 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

You wanted a "fix". The fix to replace the glass pane is one you
didn't like. My suggestion still stands.

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but are you not the guy that saves money
stealing movies from the Internet?

If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. *If I'm correct, spend the money
saved on a sash pane.

Post a picture and we can tell you how to get the sash out and you can
find a local glass shop to take it too.

Ha....if he has a typical wooden Anderson from 25 yrs ago it's
probably an Anderson that you need a router to get the glass out. A
lot of the Andersons from that era (and earlier) built the frame
around the glass!

Ron wrote:

Ok, I think this will do it:

(PermaTec windshield repair kit)

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

I know that's what it says, but cracked laminated glass is still broken
glass all the same. This stuff has to "stick" to glass and fill any
cracks in the glass - regardless if there's a layer of plastic in the
glass or not.

On Sep 27, 10:06*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 9/27/2011 8:26 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:











Home Guy wrote:
Either someone did this with a BB gun, or I did this with my lawn mower,
but one of my windows (double-pane, removable inner pane) has a small
hole (maybe 1/4" in the middle of a 1/2" crater) and a couple of short
cracks radiating outward from the crater. This is (naturally) in the
outer pane. This is plate glass, about 1/8" thick.

I know that car windshield repair commercials show some sort of clear
liquid being injected into a windshield crater and makes the crater and
cracks disappear. I don't need the fancy equipment - just the liquid.

Anyone know what it is, and does the Home Despot (or other hardware
stores) sell it?
Hi,
Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets cold.

Read it again- removable inner pane, not insulated glass. For OP- forget
it- there is no pretty repair. *The car windshield repairs work because
they have a plastic center layer, and you can suck all the air out as
you are adding the plastic. No way to do that with air on both sides of
pane. If you can't afford to replace right now, just clean the area, and
apply clear tape over it- that should get you through the winter. If you
wanna disguise it, get one of those bird stickers that supposedly
prevent bird kamikaze attacks. But if you can remove the frame
containing the damaged glass to carry it in to the window shop, you may
be surprised how cheap the repair is.

--
aem sends...

I misread it too, but the bottom line is it can't be "repaired". It
needs to be replaced. And if it's the kind of Anderson that I think it
is, he will need a router, or be damn good with a hammer and wood
chisel.

Ron wrote:

Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass.

Why should it matter whether or not there's a plastic layer buried
somewhere inside the broken / cracked glass?

If this resin is supposed to flow into cracks and seal them, adhere or
bond the cracked surfaces together, then we're still talking about a
glass-to-glass interface that needs bonding / sealing.

The unit is gonna end up fogging up, which is going to leave water
stains. So you can replace it now or later.

This is in a small commercial building that does not have a humidifier
as part of the HVAC system, so there will not be any fogging.

On Sep 28, 5:41*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:
Ok, I think this will do it:

(PermaTec windshield repair kit)

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

I know that's what it says, but cracked laminated glass is still broken
glass all the same. *This stuff has to "stick" to glass and fill any
cracks in the glass - regardless if there's a layer of plastic in the
glass or not.

Fine....go ahead and buy it. I was only in the glass business for
close to 25 yrs (the majority of it in auto glass), but you know more
about it than I do................

On 9/28/2011 5:41 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:

Ok, I think this will do it:

(PermaTec windshield repair kit)

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

I know that's what it says, but cracked laminated glass is still broken
glass all the same. This stuff has to "stick" to glass and fill any
cracks in the glass - regardless if there's a layer of plastic in the
glass or not.

Lotsa luck in getting the resin in the cracks without pulling a vacuum
on the broken area. Google for a picture of how windshield star repairs
are done, maybe it will make sense to you. Go ahead and try- you can't
make it any worse.

--
aem sends...

On Sep 28, 5:49*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:
Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass.

Why should it matter whether or not there's a plastic layer buried
somewhere inside the broken / cracked glass? *

If this resin is supposed to flow into cracks and seal them, adhere or
bond the cracked surfaces together, then we're still talking about a
glass-to-glass interface that needs bonding / sealing.


Because, before the resin is pumped in, a vacuum is applied to remove
all of the air from the runs (cracks).

On Sep 28, 5:53*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 9/28/2011 5:41 PM, Home Guy wrote:

Ron wrote:

Ok, I think this will do it:

(PermaTec windshield repair kit)

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

I know that's what it says, but cracked laminated glass is still broken
glass all the same. *This stuff has to "stick" to glass and fill any
cracks in the glass - regardless if there's a layer of plastic in the
glass or not.

Lotsa luck in getting the resin in the cracks without pulling a vacuum
on the broken area. Google for a picture of how windshield star repairs
are done, maybe it will make sense to you. *Go ahead and try- you can't
make it any worse.

--
aem sends...

And, it's not always as simple as some of those videos make it out to
be. When I was in the glass business I had a professional windshield
repair kit/machine, and it was still a PITA to get the resin to flown
into the cracks sometimes. There is a flexing technique that sometimes
has to be used. Sometimes you have to heat the inside of the
windshield with a small torch. Not just any "Joe Blow" can
successfully repair a stone chip. Especially with those kits from an
auto parts store.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Sep 28, 4:51*pm, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:50:17 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

You wanted a "fix". The fix to replace the glass pane is one you
didn't like. My suggestion still stands.

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but are you not the guy that saves money
stealing movies from the Internet?

If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. *If I'm correct, spend the money
saved on a sash pane.

Post a picture and we can tell you how to get the sash out and you can
find a local glass shop to take it too.

Ha....if he has a typical wooden Anderson from 25 yrs ago it's
probably an Anderson that you need a router to get the glass out. A
lot of the Andersons from that era (and earlier) built the frame
around the glass!

Okay, I believe the OP is talking about "AnderSEN windows. Not
AnderSON windows.

Anderson & Andesen are frequently mixed up as brand names.

On Sep 28, 7:01*pm, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:









On Sep 28, 4:51 pm, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:50:17 -0400, Home Guy wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

You wanted a "fix". The fix to replace the glass pane is one you
didn't like. My suggestion still stands.

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but are you not the guy that saves money
stealing movies from the Internet?

If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. If I'm correct, spend the money
saved on a sash pane.

Post a picture and we can tell you how to get the sash out and you can
find a local glass shop to take it too.

Ha....if he has a typical wooden Anderson from 25 yrs ago it's
probably an Anderson that you need a router to get the glass out. A
lot of the Andersons from that era (and earlier) built the frame
around the glass!

Okay, I believe the OP is talking about "AnderSEN windows. Not
AnderSON windows.

Anderson & Andesen are frequently mixed up as brand names.

I believe there is only one brand. Andersen. I misspelled it. I just
know that when I first got into the glass business, the AnderSENS that
we had to replace the glass in didn't have any stops. We had to use a
router to replace the glass, and then pay a carpenter to come behind
us and do the rest.

Ron wrote:

Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass.

Why should it matter whether or not there's a plastic layer
buried somewhere inside the broken / cracked glass?

Because, before the resin is pumped in, a vacuum is applied to
remove all of the air from the runs (cracks).

What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the glass
is laminated?

On 9/28/2011 7:24 PM, Ron wrote:
On Sep 28, 7:01 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:









On Sep 28, 4:51 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:50:17 -0400, Home wrote:
Oren wrote:

De-glaze the glass pane and replace it. Done!

Tony Hwang wrote:

Double pane? The seal is gone now whether hole is fixed or not.
R value near zero. Better replace the panel B4 weather gets
cold.

I didn't think it was necessary to speak to this aspect of the problem,
but some of you would rather bring that aspect up rather than address
the question directly.

You wanted a "fix". The fix to replace the glass pane is one you
didn't like. My suggestion still stands.

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but are you not the guy that saves money
stealing movies from the Internet?

If I'm wrong I apologize in advance. If I'm correct, spend the money
saved on a sash pane.

Post a picture and we can tell you how to get the sash out and you can
find a local glass shop to take it too.

Ha....if he has a typical wooden Anderson from 25 yrs ago it's
probably an Anderson that you need a router to get the glass out. A
lot of the Andersons from that era (and earlier) built the frame
around the glass!

Okay, I believe the OP is talking about "AnderSEN windows. Not
AnderSON windows.

Anderson& Andesen are frequently mixed up as brand names.

I believe there is only one brand. Andersen. I misspelled it. I just
know that when I first got into the glass business, the AnderSENS that
we had to replace the glass in didn't have any stops. We had to use a
router to replace the glass, and then pay a carpenter to come behind
us and do the rest.

Sigh. BTDT. Spent several months trying to chase down parts for
1961-vintage Andersen crank-out casements when preparing my
Grandmother's house for sale. Never did find all the parts, but found
enough to make the place presentable. Outer panes on those were held by
putty, though- I think they were before the assemble-frame-around-glass
era. The removable inner panes were exactly as described, though.

--
aem sends...

Ron wrote:

(PermaTec windshield repair kit)

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

I know that's what it says, but cracked laminated glass is still
broken glass all the same.

Fine....go ahead and buy it. I was only in the glass business for
close to 25 yrs (the majority of it in auto glass), but you know
more about it than I do.

Did you ever try to patch or fill-in a crater-hole in thin plate glass
with this automotive resin stuff?

Or did you never have the opportunity or need to do so?

If you have first-hand experience with the failure of this automotive
repair resin on ordinary non-laminated plate glass, then I will pay
attention and carefully read your account of any such attempted use.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:33:31 -0700, Ron wrote:
Either replace the unit, or plug the hole with whatever you like.
The unit is gonna end up fogging up

Clear caulk worked for me last year (similar-sized hole of unknown cause
as the OP) - no fogging and no noticable difference to heating bills last
winter.

cheers

Jules

sealed units are supringsly cheap. in pittsburgh area i take double
pane units to pittsburgh window and door. they disassemble the frame
measure and build a brand new sealed uit all in one day. with a 2 year
warranty

On Sep 28, 8:12*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:
Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass.

Why should it matter whether or not there's a plastic layer
buried somewhere inside the broken / cracked glass?

Because, before the resin is pumped in, a vacuum is applied to
remove all of the air from the runs (cracks).

What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the glass
is laminated?

Because you can't pull a vacuum on a single pane of glass.

You have a hole through the glass and runs. All you will be doing is
sucking air. Not to mention that the resin goes into the syringe
before you do anything.

Syringe adapter with double-sided tape goes directly over the impact
point. Then you add the resin. With nothing but a hole there, the
resin has nowhere to go but on the ground.

I guess (and this is a big guess) you could try to put a piece of tape
on the opposite side on the impact point and runs to try and draw a
vacuum, but then you might make the runs get even bigger when you
apply pressure to the tape and glass. I doubt this would work anyway,
because as soon as you put the kit/syringe on the pressure cycle it
will probably start to push the tape free. Hell, just putting the
syringe adapter in place could cause the glass to run out. At least on
a laminated piece of glass you have some support from the other piece
of glass.

If you have your mind made up that you aren't going to replace this
piece of glass, then just fill the hole with some clear silicone. That
will take care of the hole. The runs may never ever spread. Only time
will tell.

On Sep 28, 8:26*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:
(PermaTec windshield repair kit)

It will ONLY work on laminated glass.

I know that's what it says, but cracked laminated glass is still
broken glass all the same.

Fine....go ahead and buy it. I was only in the glass business for
close to 25 yrs (the majority of it in auto glass), but you know
more about it than I do.

Did you ever try to patch or fill-in a crater-hole in thin plate glass
with this automotive resin stuff?

Or did you never have the opportunity or need to do so?

If you have first-hand experience with the failure of this automotive
repair resin on ordinary non-laminated plate glass, then I will pay
attention and carefully read your account of any such attempted use.

See my other post.

On Sep 28, 9:32*pm, bob haller wrote:
sealed units are supringsly cheap. in pittsburgh area i take double
pane units to pittsburgh window and door. they disassemble the frame
measure and build a brand new sealed uit all in one day. with a 2 year
warranty

IF, you can find a glass shop that still makes their own units. Most
glass shops don't mess with that anymore because it's too time
consuming.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:43:13 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On Sep 28, 9:32*pm, bob haller wrote:
sealed units are supringsly cheap. in pittsburgh area i take double
pane units to pittsburgh window and door. they disassemble the frame
measure and build a brand new sealed uit all in one day. with a 2 year
warranty

IF, you can find a glass shop that still makes their own units. Most
glass shops don't mess with that anymore because it's too time
consuming.

My local glass shop will make anything I request.

I live in Las Vegas... I go in the side door of the shop and say
"make me one of these!"

They will even temper the glass if I ask.

Ron wrote:

What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the
glass is laminated?

Because you can't pull a vacuum on a single pane of glass.

Why can't I create a vacuum on one side of the glass (with the right
combination of suction cup and syringe) while applying the resin from
the other side?

There would be no lamination layer in the middle to act as a barrier.

How thick or viscous is this resin? I take it that it's not like that
acrylic plastic resin that just runs all over the place into all the
cracks without much effort. ?

And besides, how often do you actually fill a hole in a car windshield,
vs just a crack pattern?

In my case, I've got a hole that's about 3/16" diam. in the middle of a
crater that's about 1/2" diam, with maybe 2 short cracks about an inch
long running from the hole into the glass in 2 different directions.

Can this automotive resin form a patch to fill in the hole and crater?

On 9/28/2011 8:12 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:

Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass.

Why should it matter whether or not there's a plastic layer
buried somewhere inside the broken / cracked glass?

Because, before the resin is pumped in, a vacuum is applied to
remove all of the air from the runs (cracks).

What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the glass
is laminated?

Because the laminate layer acts as one side of the vacuum chamber. I
suppose if you taped one side of hole and reinforced it with a flat
plate held in place by tape or something, you MIGHT have a chance of
making it work.

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Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:

What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the
glass is laminated?

Because you can't pull a vacuum on a single pane of glass.

Why can't I create a vacuum on one side of the glass (with the right
combination of suction cup and syringe) while applying the resin from
the other side?

There would be no lamination layer in the middle to act as a barrier.

How thick or viscous is this resin? I take it that it's not like that
acrylic plastic resin that just runs all over the place into all the
cracks without much effort. ?

And besides, how often do you actually fill a hole in a car
windshield, vs just a crack pattern?

In my case, I've got a hole that's about 3/16" diam. in the middle of
a crater that's about 1/2" diam, with maybe 2 short cracks about an
inch long running from the hole into the glass in 2 different
directions.

Can this automotive resin form a patch to fill in the hole and crater?

I highly doubt it. That stuff is made for patching cracks in laminated windors,
where most of the glass is still there, and the laminate layer forms a solid
barrier to air so a vacuum can be obtained. I suspect the resin is not nearly
thick enough for your problem.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:45:20 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

On 9/28/2011 8:12 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:

Windshield repair kits can only be used on laminated glass.

Why should it matter whether or not there's a plastic layer
buried somewhere inside the broken / cracked glass?

Because, before the resin is pumped in, a vacuum is applied to
remove all of the air from the runs (cracks).

What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the glass
is laminated?

Because the laminate layer acts as one side of the vacuum chamber. I
suppose if you taped one side of hole and reinforced it with a flat
plate held in place by tape or something, you MIGHT have a chance of
making it work.
Just get a clear "lens repair kit" - made for plastic lens but
generzlly will do the trick - at least for a while, if you can get
one. Easier to find in red and amber - but clear is available.(or was
a couple of years ago)

On Sep 28, 10:26*pm, Home Guy wrote:
Ron wrote:
What does that vacuum process have to do with whether or not the
glass is laminated?

Because you can't pull a vacuum on a single pane of glass.

Why can't I create a vacuum on one side of the glass (with the right
combination of suction cup and syringe) while applying the resin from
the other side?

There would be no lamination layer in the middle to act as a barrier.

I don't even know what you are trying to say/ask. On those kits with a
syringe, the syringe pulls the vacuum with the resin already in the
syringe. After the air is removed, then you switch the syringe from
the vacuum mode to the pressure/inject mode. If you can't get ALL of
the air out of the crack, you can't inject the resin. If a windshield
has stone chip with a run (crack) that extends all the way to the edge
of the glass it can't be repaired because you can't create a vacuum.


How thick or viscous is this resin? *I take it that it's not like that
acrylic plastic resin that just runs all over the place into all the
cracks without much effort. *?

It's has about the same viscosity as Super Glue. Maybe a little
thicker.

And besides, how often do you actually fill a hole in a car windshield,
vs just a crack pattern?

A hole completely through a windshield? Never.

In my case, I've got a hole that's about 3/16" diam. in the middle of a
crater that's about 1/2" diam, with maybe 2 short cracks about an inch
long running from the hole into the glass in 2 different directions.

Can this automotive resin form a patch to fill in the hole and crater?

It's not made to fill in "craters". It's made to flow into cracks.
Repairing a stone chip only requires 2-3 drops of resin.

Have you looked to see if this window has stops on the outside that
can be removed? If it's not one of those Andersens where they built
the damn frame around the glass, why don't you just replace it?

That Permatex repair kit is $12.00 at my local Auto Zone. I don't know
how big your piece of glass is, but I'm guessing that you can buy a
piece of glass for less than $20.00. If you buy that kit, I can
guarantee that you will be throwing away your money.