OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.
Hi,
Nillion dolloar for sure. An ordinary bomb is equivalent to GOOD TV set.

On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

More than the stuff it blows up usually.

Jim

"mm" wrote in message
...
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

I have seen it listed from $ 600,000 to $ 1.2 million. Not sure if the
higher price would include an atomic warhead or if that is just the high
expolosive version.

On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a rear mid-engined super car. It is
the most expensive modern car in the world at $2,600,000. Right
off the assembly line of sorts. snicker

TDD

"mm" wrote in message
...
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. Don't know about Tomahawk. That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

I checked the completed auctions on ebay and none had sold so it is
really hard to tell the real price.

mm wrote:

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

CNN keeps saying 1.4 mil/per.

Which is actually pretty cheap compared to sending in manned aircraft.

On 3/28/2011 9:18 PM, mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.


Much about this on the news a few days ago, although I can't find
sources at the moment. What I remember: The '99 price of a cruise
missile is ~600K, Raytheon is now the main contractor and has made
modifications upping the cost. Some of the mods include being able to
change course of the missile in flight. Late model tomahawks are more
like 1.4 M. Prices also vary by launch platform and other variants,
something he

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_missile

Hard to say just what the cost is of the ones being expended.

It's a lot of money compared to other smart weapons, but the
outstanding value is that they can be deployed against any target
without risking air frames and air crews. They can also be sent off in
large numbers quickly. That is why you see them used so extensively
early in air campaigns, the trend is toward using these very early on to
take down air defences and heavily defended targets.

There probably will be very few more expended and there appears to be
a large inventory of them so there is no pressing need to replenish as
there are more in the pipeline (~200/year). There likely won't be
additional requested. Note that the US is deploying AC130 gunships and
you don't do that unless you own the airspace.

Something here on aircraft involved:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12785746

Considering how fast the conflict blew up in Libya it's a nice bit of
work getting all the forces and countries involved put together.
Obviously there was a lot of planning involved early on, and it appears
that they were on the move even as the politics were working their course.

On a side note, the sudden ebb and flow of military fortunes in Libya
is nothing new. These are the same towns that flowed back and forth
between axis and allies in WWII. Then as now, controlling the air over
land that you can't hide in, is key.

Jeff

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:39:08 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:

On 3/28/2011 9:18 PM, mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.


Much about this on the news a few days ago, although I can't find
sources at the moment. What I remember: The '99 price of a cruise
missile is ~600K, Raytheon is now the main contractor and has made
modifications upping the cost. Some of the mods include being able to
change course of the missile in flight. Late model tomahawks are more
like 1.4 M. Prices also vary by launch platform and other variants,
something he

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_missile

Hard to say just what the cost is of the ones being expended.

It's a lot of money compared to other smart weapons, but the
outstanding value is that they can be deployed against any target
without risking air frames and air crews. They can also be sent off in
large numbers quickly. That is why you see them used so extensively
early in air campaigns, the trend is toward using these very early on to
take down air defences and heavily defended targets.

There probably will be very few more expended and there appears to be
a large inventory of them so there is no pressing need to replenish as
there are more in the pipeline (~200/year). There likely won't be
additional requested. Note that the US is deploying AC130 gunships and
you don't do that unless you own the airspace.

Something here on aircraft involved:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12785746

Considering how fast the conflict blew up in Libya it's a nice bit of
work getting all the forces and countries involved put together.
Obviously there was a lot of planning involved early on, and it appears
that they were on the move even as the politics were working their course.

On a side note, the sudden ebb and flow of military fortunes in Libya
is nothing new. These are the same towns that flowed back and forth
between axis and allies in WWII.

I'm sure. Tobruk is certainly famous.

Then as now, controlling the air over
land that you can't hide in, is key.

Jeff

Thanks .

On Mar 28, 9:22*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"mm" wrote in message

...

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. *Don't know about Tomahawk. *That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? *Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. *Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

Hellfire ~100lbs
Tomahawk ~3000 lbs

Helfire range ~8km
Tomahawk range ~2500km

Based on performance & capacity ..... those Tomahawks look like a
bargain

But I wouldn't waste one even on heavy armor.


later (current?) procurement cycle supposed to reduce cost by ~50%
thus getting it down to ~ 1/2 million each

Our first 12 production units for the AH-64 Apache 30mm Ammunition
Magazine cost ~$150k each (1982) by the third production buy (120
units) we'd gotten the price down to $50k each.

Cost reduction is driven by learning curve, value engineering design
changes and lot size increases.

cheers
Bob

On Mar 29, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a rear mid-engined super car. It is
the most expensive modern car in the world at $2,600,000. Right
off the assembly line of sorts. snicker

TDD

The first law of capitalism is that a thing is worth what people are
prepared to pay for it.
I expect the Chinese make a similar one half price. Or soon will be.
Soon Boeing be moving the production line there anyway. Or Mexico.
The USA has fallen way back on all forms of technology except weapons
because you are warmongering *******s. It's neccesary for wars to be
started constantly in order to sell weapons. Even Obama has fallen
into the trap. He is in the pocket fo the capitalist *******s as was
Bush &co.
Your gov. does not give a toss about you., You did not vote for them.
You got to vote for the limited number of people put in front of you
by lying, cheating capitalist arms manufacturers..
It could be fixed tomorrow but it won't be.

On Mar 29, 7:39*am, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 3/28/2011 9:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

* *Much about this on the news a few days ago, although I can't find
sources at the moment. What I remember: *The '99 price of a cruise
missile is ~600K, Raytheon is now the main contractor and has made
modifications upping the cost. Some of the mods include being able to
change course of the missile in flight. Late model tomahawks are more
like 1.4 M. Prices also vary by launch platform and other variants,
something he

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_missile

Hard to say just what the cost is of the ones being expended.

* *It's a lot of money compared to other smart weapons, but the
outstanding value is that they can be deployed against any target
without risking air frames and air crews. They can also be sent off in
large numbers quickly. That is why you see them used so extensively
early in air campaigns, the trend is toward using these very early on to
take down air defences and heavily defended targets.

* *There probably will be very few more expended and there appears to be
a large inventory of them so there is no pressing need to replenish as
there are more in the pipeline (~200/year). There likely won't be
additional requested. Note that the US is deploying AC130 gunships and
you don't do that unless you own the airspace.

* *Something here on aircraft involved:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12785746

* *Considering how fast the conflict blew up in Libya it's a nice bit of
work getting all the forces and countries involved put together.
Obviously there was a lot of planning involved early on, and it appears
that they were on the move even as the politics were working their course..

* *On a side note, the sudden ebb and flow of military fortunes in Libya
is nothing new. These are the same towns that flowed back and forth
between axis and allies in WWII. Then as now, controlling the air over
land that you can't hide in, is key.

* *Jeff

The war will be lost without boots on the ground which seems
unlikely.
All these millions couls have been spent on healthcare or new
infrastructure.Why not? No money in it. No competition for cruise
missiles, they can charge what they like. The US gov.should buy
missiles from Moscow. That would bring the price tumbling down.

On Mar 29, 8:25*am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:22*pm, "Steve B" wrote:





"mm" wrote in message

.. .

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. *Don't know about Tomahawk. *That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? *Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. *Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

Hellfire ~100lbs
Tomahawk ~3000 lbs

Helfire range *~8km
Tomahawk range ~2500km

Based on performance & capacity *..... those Tomahawks look like a
bargain *

But I wouldn't waste one even on heavy armor.

later (current?) procurement cycle supposed to reduce cost by ~50%
thus getting it down to ~ 1/2 million each

Our first 12 production units for the AH-64 Apache 30mm Ammunition
Magazine cost ~$150k each (1982) *by the third production buy (120
units) we'd gotten the price down to $50k each.

Cost reduction is driven by learning curve, value engineering design
changes and lot size increases.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cost reduction is about increasing profit. Absolutely nothing to do
with selling price.

On 3/29/2011 2:40 AM, harry wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a rear mid-engined super car. It is
the most expensive modern car in the world at $2,600,000. Right
off the assembly line of sorts.snicker

TDD

The first law of capitalism is that a thing is worth what people are
prepared to pay for it.
I expect the Chinese make a similar one half price. Or soon will be.
Soon Boeing be moving the production line there anyway. Or Mexico.
The USA has fallen way back on all forms of technology except weapons
because you are warmongering *******s. It's neccesary for wars to be
started constantly in order to sell weapons. Even Obama has fallen
into the trap. He is in the pocket fo the capitalist *******s as was
Bush&co.
Your gov. does not give a toss about you., You did not vote for them.
You got to vote for the limited number of people put in front of you
by lying, cheating capitalist arms manufacturers..
It could be fixed tomorrow but it won't be.

I'll have you know that my parents were married sir! I'm no ******* but
people who know my mother refer to me as SOB which is much more
accurate. ^_^

TDD

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Mar 29, 8:25*am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:22*pm, "Steve B" wrote:





"mm" wrote in message

.. .

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. *Don't know about Tomahawk. *That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? *Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. *Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

Hellfire ~100lbs
Tomahawk ~3000 lbs

Helfire range *~8km
Tomahawk range ~2500km

Based on performance & capacity *..... those Tomahawks look like a
bargain *

But I wouldn't waste one even on heavy armor.

later (current?) procurement cycle supposed to reduce cost by ~50%
thus getting it down to ~ 1/2 million each

Our first 12 production units for the AH-64 Apache 30mm Ammunition
Magazine cost ~$150k each (1982) *by the third production buy (120
units) we'd gotten the price down to $50k each.

Cost reduction is driven by learning curve, value engineering design
changes and lot size increases.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cost reduction is about increasing profit. Absolutely nothing to do
with selling price.

You misunderstood him. Price reduction is enabled by cost reduction.

On 3/29/2011 3:48 AM, harry wrote:
On Mar 29, 7:39 am, Jeff wrote:
On 3/28/2011 9:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

snip
On a side note, the sudden ebb and flow of military fortunes in Libya
is nothing new. These are the same towns that flowed back and forth
between axis and allies in WWII. Then as now, controlling the air over
land that you can't hide in, is key.

Jeff

The war will be lost without boots on the ground which seems
unlikely.

Certainty is something that those who rely on common sense thinking have.

I've posted in this group before the historic animosities between
Cyrenaica and Tripolitania. Something he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrenaica

I've also pointed out that per capita more al Qaeda recruits have
come from Cyrenaica that anywhere else in the world. What Ghadaffi says
about his enemies ties to al Qaeada has some truth behind it.

The forces behind this and other conflicts is complex and the prudent
course of action needs some coyness. The George W Bush cock sure
approach is a sure way to throw away lives and futures. Putting our
boots on the ground would make us a more direct player in a game that we
are better off playing a more peripheral role. Putting forces on the
ground where we can't tell who are our allies is ludicrous. The only
surety is that we will find less allies than we expected. What we have
now is a deep respect of the air power that we can exert.

As far as being unable to "win", I find this a foolish statement. For
us, there is no winning, only looking towards a more favorable outcome.

For the Ghadaffi forces, much as it was as in WWII, controlling
supply lines and destroying armour decides the fate of those boots on
the ground. They are deeply in trouble, they are melting away rather
than be destroyed in the exposed positions they have to take. Ghadaffi's
home town will be under assault soon enough. These are ideal conditions
to exert air power.


All these millions couls have been spent on healthcare or new
infrastructure.Why not? No money in it. No competition for cruise
missiles, they can charge what they like. The US gov.should buy
missiles from Moscow. That would bring the price tumbling down.

It's chump change relative to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A few
hundred million on Tomahawks is a rounding error. Only thinking of the
small picture is the surest way to be lost in the wilderness.

IMHO, we aren't doing badly playing the hand we have the way we have.
Time, and not that much of it, will tell.

Now, I've left myself exposed to those who think in common sense and
who will always be terminally upset. But it's only usenet. What
matters what myself or anyone else here thinks?

Jeff

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:


For the Ghadaffi forces, much as it was as in WWII, controlling
supply lines and destroying armour decides the fate of those boots on
the ground. They are deeply in trouble, they are melting away rather
than be destroyed in the exposed positions they have to take. Ghadaffi's
home town will be under assault soon enough. These are ideal conditions
to exert air power.

I have been arguing this with my GOP bretheren. In this case, at least
so far, there ARE boots on the ground, just not our boots. There seems
to be a force to fight the Gman as long as we even the odds a bit from
the air. Some say this will be like Bosnia where they tried to do it all
from the air and failed. I don't agree because even in Bosnia there was
no really organized resistance at any level.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On Mar 29, 1:37*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 3/29/2011 3:48 AM, harry wrote:

On Mar 29, 7:39 am, Jeff *wrote:
On 3/28/2011 9:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

snip
* * On a side note, the sudden ebb and flow of military fortunes in Libya
is nothing new. These are the same towns that flowed back and forth
between axis and allies in WWII. Then as now, controlling the air over
land that you can't hide in, is key.

* * Jeff

The war will be lost *without boots on the ground which seems
unlikely.

Certainty is something that those who rely on common sense thinking have.

* *I've posted in this group before the historic animosities between
Cyrenaica and Tripolitania. Something he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrenaica

* *I've also pointed out that per capita more al Qaeda recruits have
come from Cyrenaica that anywhere else in the world. What Ghadaffi says
about his enemies ties to al Qaeada has some truth behind it.

* *The forces behind this and other conflicts is complex and the prudent
course of action needs some coyness. The George W Bush cock sure
approach is a sure way to throw away lives and futures. Putting our
boots on the ground would make us a more direct player in a game that we
are better off playing a more peripheral role. Putting forces on the
ground where we can't tell who are our allies is ludicrous. The only
surety is that we will find less allies than we expected. What we have
now is a deep respect of the air power that we can exert.

* *As far as being unable to "win", I find this a foolish statement. For
us, there is no winning, only looking towards a more favorable outcome.

* *For the Ghadaffi forces, much as it was as in WWII, controlling
supply lines and destroying armour decides the fate of those boots on
the ground. They are deeply in trouble, they are melting away rather
than be destroyed in the exposed positions they have to take. Ghadaffi's
home town will be under assault soon enough. These are ideal conditions
to exert air power.

All these millions couls have been spent on healthcare or new
infrastructure.Why not? No money in it. No competition for cruise
missiles, they can charge what they like. *The US gov.should buy
missiles from Moscow. *That would bring the price tumbling down.

* *It's chump change relative to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A few
hundred million on Tomahawks is a rounding error. Only thinking of the
small picture is the surest way to be lost in the wilderness.

* *IMHO, we aren't doing badly playing the hand we have the way we have.
Time, and not that much of it, will tell.

* *Now, I've left myself exposed to those who think in common sense and
* who will always be terminally upset. But it's only usenet. What
matters what myself or anyone else here thinks?

* *Jeff

It comes back to this:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Keynesianism
This is something you need to read up on.

Also maybe this:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSC-68
How the third world was to be enslaved by US capitalists using nazi
methods.

And:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Ch...olitical_views
Heavy going the latter but a clear thinking American.
His books are all printed an published here in the UK. Not allowed in
America.

On Mar 29, 7:46*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:39:08 -0400, Jeff Thies
wrote:





On 3/28/2011 9:18 PM, mm wrote:
OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

* Much about this on the news a few days ago, although I can't find
sources at the moment. What I remember: *The '99 price of a cruise
missile is ~600K, Raytheon is now the main contractor and has made
modifications upping the cost. Some of the mods include being able to
change course of the missile in flight. Late model tomahawks are more
like 1.4 M. Prices also vary by launch platform and other variants,
something he

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/bgm-109.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_missile

Hard to say just what the cost is of the ones being expended.

* It's a lot of money compared to other smart weapons, but the
outstanding value is that they can be deployed against any target
without risking air frames and air crews. They can also be sent off in
large numbers quickly. That is why you see them used so extensively
early in air campaigns, the trend is toward using these very early on to
take down air defences and heavily defended targets.

* There probably will be very few more expended and there appears to be
a large inventory of them so there is no pressing need to replenish as
there are more in the pipeline (~200/year). There likely won't be
additional requested. Note that the US is deploying AC130 gunships and
you don't do that unless you own the airspace.

* Something here on aircraft involved:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12785746

* Considering how fast the conflict blew up in Libya it's a nice bit of
work getting all the forces and countries involved put together.
Obviously there was a lot of planning involved early on, and it appears
that they were on the move even as the politics were working their course.

* On a side note, the sudden ebb and flow of military fortunes in Libya
is nothing new. These are the same towns that flowed back and forth
between axis and allies in WWII.

I'm sure. * Tobruk is certainly famous.

Then as now, controlling the air over
land that you can't hide in, is key.

* Jeff

Thanks .



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- Show quoted text -

They are doing fine destroying tanks in the open desert. However in
towns and cities it will be near impossible. The battle will be won
or lost in the cities.

mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Yes, millions but you can bet the corporation that makes them hides all
it's profit in a dummy store front in Switzerland to avoid US Taxes.
Just like hundreds even thousands of corporations now. Yes, GE, GM,
Phizer and all the drug companies, Google, IBM, all the big ones.


--
All is as it is.

LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Yes, millions but you can bet the corporation that makes them hides all
it's profit in a dummy store front in Switzerland to avoid US Taxes.
Just like hundreds even thousands of corporations now. Yes, GE, GM,
Phizer and all the drug companies, Google, IBM, all the big ones.


By the way, that amounts to 1.3 TRILLION! a year the government don't
get. Now you wonder why the economy is bad and there are no jobs?

--
All is as it is.

On Mar 29, 10:56*am, mm wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:





On Mar 29, 8:25 am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:22 pm, "Steve B" wrote:

"mm" wrote in message

.. .

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. Don't know about Tomahawk. That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

Hellfire ~100lbs
Tomahawk ~3000 lbs

Helfire range ~8km
Tomahawk range ~2500km

Based on performance & capacity ..... those Tomahawks look like a
bargain

But I wouldn't waste one even on heavy armor.

later (current?) procurement cycle supposed to reduce cost by ~50%
thus getting it down to ~ 1/2 million each

Our first 12 production units for the AH-64 Apache 30mm Ammunition
Magazine cost ~$150k each (1982) by the third production buy (120
units) we'd gotten the price down to $50k each.

Cost reduction is driven by learning curve, value engineering design
changes and lot size increases.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cost reduction is about increasing profit. *Absolutely nothing to do
with selling price.

You misunderstood him. *Price reduction is enabled by cost reduction.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I don''t misunderstand at all. Selling price is nothing to do with
the cost price except that cost price has to be less.
Re. the missiles, as there is no competition, there is no incentive to
reduce the price at all.
Capitalists like to eliminate competition so they have a monopoly &
charge what they like.
That's why the *******s come over here buying up our businesses &
closing them down.
The latest being Kraft foods and Cadbury.

In article ,
Tony Hwang wrote:

Why is it that the most obese people seem to be in the lower income
brackets?

They spent all the money for food.

What they spent on food wouldn't effect their tax bracket. Except to
the extent they would have saved and judiciously invested the
difference.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

G. Morgan wrote in
:

mm wrote:

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

CNN keeps saying 1.4 mil/per.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_di...&tid=1300&ct=2

says $569,000 each.
it doesn't say if that includes warhead.
I doubt it. a nuke WH(TLAM-N) would substantially raise the cost.
I don't believe the conventional WH is going to cost $831K,more than the
Tomahawk itself.


Which is actually pretty cheap compared to sending in manned aircraft.


You don't risk a pilot....
but you usually get the piloted aircraft back and can reuse it.
and you can attack multiple targets,and targets of opportunity.

TLAM is good for high-risk targets.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Mar 29, 3:40*am, harry wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:





On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a rear mid-engined super car. It is
the most expensive modern car in the world at $2,600,000. Right
off the assembly line of sorts. snicker

TDD

The first law of capitalism is that a thing is worth what people are
prepared to pay for it.
I expect the Chinese make a similar one half price. *Or soon will be.
Soon Boeing be moving the production line there anyway. Or Mexico.
The USA has fallen way back on all forms of technology except weapons
because you are warmongering *******s.

So how many high tech wonders of the world origninated and are based
in the "UK? Intel? Microsoft? Cisco? AMD? Boeing? IBM?
Dell?
HP? Do you even have one company that produces
computer chips that is British? Notice I said produces, so that
leaves
out ARM, which is just a modest design firm. There is one huge UK
semicondutor plant, owned and operated by Intel, a US company,
in Ireland.

Unbelievable that you keep bringing this up, after all the times
you've
made an ass of yourself. Anything else I can help you out with?





*It's neccesary for wars to be
started constantly in order to sell weapons. Even Obama has fallen
into the trap. He is in the pocket fo the capitalist *******s as was
Bush &co.
Your gov. does not give a toss about you., You did not vote for them.
You got to vote for the limited number of people put in front of you
by lying, cheating capitalist arms manufacturers..
It could be fixed tomorrow but it won't be.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You could be fixed tomorrow too. Hope you get your head cracked
at your next leftist riot over there.

On Mar 29, 9:45*am, harry wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:56*am, mm wrote:



On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Mar 29, 8:25 am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:22 pm, "Steve B" wrote:

"mm" wrote in message

.. .

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. Don't know about Tomahawk. That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

Hellfire ~100lbs
Tomahawk ~3000 lbs

Helfire range ~8km
Tomahawk range ~2500km

Based on performance & capacity ..... those Tomahawks look like a
bargain

But I wouldn't waste one even on heavy armor.

later (current?) procurement cycle supposed to reduce cost by ~50%
thus getting it down to ~ 1/2 million each

Our first 12 production units for the AH-64 Apache 30mm Ammunition
Magazine cost ~$150k each (1982) by the third production buy (120
units) we'd gotten the price down to $50k each.

Cost reduction is driven by learning curve, value engineering design
changes and lot size increases.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cost reduction is about increasing profit. *Absolutely nothing to do
with selling price.

You misunderstood him. *Price reduction is enabled by cost reduction.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don''t misunderstand at all. *Selling price is nothing to do with
the cost price except that cost price has to be less.
Re. the missiles, as there is no competition, there is no incentive to
reduce the price at all.
Capitalists like to eliminate competition so they have a monopoly &
charge what they like.
That's why the *******s come over here buying up our businesses &
closing them down.
The latest being Kraft foods and Cadbury.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gee harry, if the Britts are so damn smart, why can't they even stay
in
the candy business?

"harry" wrote in message news:fee86cdf-c014-4775-a7bc-
stuff snipped

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Ch...olitical_views
Heavy going the latter but a clear thinking American.
His books are all printed an published here in the UK. Not allowed in
America.

Nonsense. I've been reading Noam since college and a course I took in
"transformational grammar." Name one book you think is banned here. It's
probably on my bookshelf.

--
Bobby G.

"willshak" wrote in message
m...


Why is it that the most obese people seem to be in the lower income
brackets?

Often because the food they can afford is of poor quality from a nutritional
perspective. Starch and fat are cheap, fresh fruits and vegetables and so
on are not only more expensive but often hard to come by in poor areas.

In article ,
"DGDevin" wrote:

"willshak" wrote in message
m...


Why is it that the most obese people seem to be in the lower income
brackets?

Often because the food they can afford is of poor quality from a nutritional
perspective. Starch and fat are cheap, fresh fruits and vegetables and so
on are not only more expensive but often hard to come by in poor areas.

A lot of it is availability. Nobody gets upset about supermarket
redlining. Although there was a relatively interesting study a year or
so ago trying to get healthy foods into bodegas and similar smaller
neighborhood stories. The County involved tossed a lot of money at the
owners (mostly Korean American as an aside) to get them to stock more
fruits and vegetables and also to get nutritional seminars in the
bodegas. It actually appeared to work for both the owners (they made
money) and the customers (at least according to the questionnaires they
filled out).

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...

"mm" wrote in message
...
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

I have seen it listed from $ 600,000 to $ 1.2 million. Not sure if the
higher price would include an atomic warhead or if that is just the high
expolosive version.

Try eBay or Craig's List, I've seen them on there for half the cost.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...

"K. Lance" wrote in message
...

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...
I have seen it listed from $ 600,000 to $ 1.2 million. Not sure if the
higher price would include an atomic warhead or if that is just the
high
expolosive version.

Try eBay or Craig's List, I've seen them on there for half the cost.



I am saving my boxtops for one.
Either that or order one from China.

That's not as funny as you think. If China for any reason had to go to war,
they have tremendous manufacturing capacity (as we had in WWII) to make
weapons. Right now they're making anti-ship missiles and special "carrier
killer" torpedoes in amounts that are essentially indefensible against.
They're able to do it using former Soviet weapons designers and because they
have mass manufacturing know-how (they got from us!) and cheap labor. Our
military may not be ready to face a force that can seriously hurt it - we've
been up to our necks fighting goat-herders and suicide bombers, not a
credible national military force. Especially one that wants to prove it
deserves a place at the table of world powers. Taiwan is where you can
expect WWIII to start, and if we open up any more SOLIC's like Libya, they
may feel the time may never be better to assert control over Taiwan by
military force.

--
Bobby G.

"K. Lance" wrote in message ...

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...
I have seen it listed from $ 600,000 to $ 1.2 million. Not sure if the
higher price would include an atomic warhead or if that is just the high
expolosive version.

Try eBay or Craig's List, I've seen them on there for half the cost.



I am saving my boxtops for one.
Either that or order one from China.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Mar 29, 8:25*am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:22*pm, "Steve B" wrote:





"mm" wrote in message

.. .

OT *What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Hellfires are $82k per copy. *Don't know about Tomahawk. *That is a larger
surface launched missile, right? *Love watching the Hellfire strikes on
youtube. *Now you see 'em, now you don't.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

Hellfire ~100lbs
Tomahawk ~3000 lbs

Helfire range *~8km
Tomahawk range ~2500km

Based on performance & capacity *..... those Tomahawks look like a
bargain *

But I wouldn't waste one even on heavy armor.

later (current?) procurement cycle supposed to reduce cost by ~50%
thus getting it down to ~ 1/2 million each

Our first 12 production units for the AH-64 Apache 30mm Ammunition
Magazine cost ~$150k each (1982) *by the third production buy (120
units) we'd gotten the price down to $50k each.

Cost reduction is driven by learning curve, value engineering design
changes and lot size increases.

cheers
Bob- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cost reduction is about increasing profit. Absolutely nothing to do
with selling price.

I see the clueless Brit is back from his riots.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:25:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 3/29/2011 2:40 AM, harry wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 3/28/2011 8:18 PM, mm wrote:

OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a rear mid-engined super car. It is
the most expensive modern car in the world at $2,600,000. Right
off the assembly line of sorts.snicker

TDD

The first law of capitalism is that a thing is worth what people are
prepared to pay for it.
I expect the Chinese make a similar one half price. Or soon will be.
Soon Boeing be moving the production line there anyway. Or Mexico.
The USA has fallen way back on all forms of technology except weapons
because you are warmongering *******s. It's neccesary for wars to be
started constantly in order to sell weapons. Even Obama has fallen
into the trap. He is in the pocket fo the capitalist *******s as was
Bush&co.
Your gov. does not give a toss about you., You did not vote for them.
You got to vote for the limited number of people put in front of you
by lying, cheating capitalist arms manufacturers..
It could be fixed tomorrow but it won't be.

I'll have you know that my parents were married sir! I'm no ******* but
people who know my mother refer to me as SOB which is much more
accurate. ^_^

But it is pretty bad, Duf, when your own mother calls you an SOB. ;-)

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:36:44 -0400, LSMFT wrote:

LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there is
an assembly line of sorts.

Yes, millions but you can bet the corporation that makes them hides all
it's profit in a dummy store front in Switzerland to avoid US Taxes.
Just like hundreds even thousands of corporations now. Yes, GE, GM,
Phizer and all the drug companies, Google, IBM, all the big ones.


By the way, that amounts to 1.3 TRILLION! a year the government don't
get. Now you wonder why the economy is bad and there are no jobs?

Why do you believe the US government is should get paid a dime on money made
elsewhere that has already been taxed where it was earned?

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
m...

A lot of it is availability. Nobody gets upset about supermarket
redlining.

Some folks do, I recently saw a news story about how few supermarkets are
located in the poor parts of Detroit, it's a fraction of how many there
would normally be in an area with that population. The result is less
availability of healthy foods to the people who live in those areas, and
various activists and politicians are trying to lure more stores into
servicing those areas.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:43:35 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"harry" wrote in message
news:fee86cdf-c014-4775-a7bc-
stuff snipped

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Ch...olitical_views
Heavy going the latter but a clear thinking American.
His books are all printed an published here in the UK. Not allowed in
America.

Nonsense. I've been reading Noam since college and a course I took in
"transformational grammar." Name one book you think is banned here.
It's
probably on my bookshelf.

Where are you at? The "firemen" will be right over.

Books are disappearing all over the planet without any help from Montag &
crew. Ray had the right idea, just the wrong mechanism. The internet will
kill the printed book, not ignition at 451F.

--
Bobby G.

" wrote in
:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:36:44 -0400, LSMFT wrote:

LSMFT wrote:
mm wrote:
OT What does a Tomohawk missile really cost?

They keep saying a million dollars, or a little less, but does that
include amortizing billions of dollars of development costs?

What is the marginal cost of another missile?

It's hard to believe anything costs a million dollars after there
is an assembly line of sorts.

Yes, millions but you can bet the corporation that makes them hides
all it's profit in a dummy store front in Switzerland to avoid US
Taxes. Just like hundreds even thousands of corporations now. Yes,
GE, GM, Phizer and all the drug companies, Google, IBM, all the big
ones.


By the way, that amounts to 1.3 TRILLION! a year the government don't
get. Now you wonder why the economy is bad and there are no jobs?

Why do you believe the US government is should get paid a dime on
money made elsewhere that has already been taxed where it was earned?


I bet Comrade Obama and all his rich pals hide their money where they don't
have to pay a lot of taxes on it. Trusts,offshore accounts,other dodges.
Heck,half of Comrade Obama's advisors didn't even pay their taxes.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in
m:


"Robert Green" wrote in message
...
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...

"K. Lance" wrote in message
...

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...
I have seen it listed from $ 600,000 to $ 1.2 million. Not sure
if the
higher price would include an atomic warhead or if that is just
the
high
expolosive version.

Try eBay or Craig's List, I've seen them on there for half the
cost.



I am saving my boxtops for one.
Either that or order one from China.

That's not as funny as you think. If China for any reason had to go
to war,
they have tremendous manufacturing capacity (as we had in WWII) to
make weapons. Right now they're making anti-ship missiles and
special "carrier killer" torpedoes in amounts that are essentially
indefensible against. They're able to do it using former Soviet
weapons designers and because they
have mass manufacturing know-how (they got from us!) and cheap labor.
Our military may not be ready to face a force that can seriously
hurt it - we've
been up to our necks fighting goat-herders and suicide bombers, not a
credible national military force. Especially one that wants to prove
it deserves a place at the table of world powers. Taiwan is where
you can expect WWIII to start, and if we open up any more SOLIC's
like Libya, they may feel the time may never be better to assert
control over Taiwan by military force.

--
Bobby G.



I agree. China has the population and could crank out lots of war
materials if they need to.

If it really comes to WW3 our carrirers will not be worth much. A
nuke exploded within a couple of miles will take them out. What does
China call their anti ship missle, a Silkworm ? Anyway if they launch
6 or 8 at a time,the carrier does not stand much chance even without a
nuke. That is what hapened to Germany in ww2. They had a superior
tank, but the US would send 5 of the Shermans after one. Usually lost
3 or 4 to get each German tank.
I think part of the Vietnam problem was we did not really want China
to get involved and that was close to 40 years ago.




first they have to FIND the carriers,(the sea is a very large place) then
get through the AEGIS ships.
Silkworms are OLD tech,easy to defeat.
the Sunburn's are faster and harder to defeat,but still doable.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com