I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:
I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

On Feb 15, 5:08*am, wrote:
I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

obviously you didnt get a permit or inspection.

deck should be on footers so it wouldnt move in freezing weather, and
firmly affixed bolted to house

On Feb 15, 8:39*am, " wrote:
On Feb 15, 5:08*am, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

obviously you didnt get a permit or inspection.

deck should be on footers so it wouldnt move in freezing weather, and
firmly affixed bolted to house

That was a couple stupid answers.

No they don't. Renmove the 8" block and replace it with a 4" one plus
some PT lumber laid flat.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:08:42 -0600, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

Build blocks out of treated lumber.

On Feb 15, 2:08*am, wrote:
I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

Since no one else answered the question...

Yes, they build 6" block - should be available at any place sellign
block but you may have to special order. I got mine from a 'block'
place that sold nothing but concrete products. If you are going to
lay them flat, they should be a coreless ones - those I don't know if
they make.

Harry K

On Feb 15, 5:08*am, wrote:
I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks


Ah, yeah... Why is your "deck" not properly secured to the ground ?

If it is resting on blocks then I can imagine several scenarios where
it could "move" or "tip" on its own... Sounds very unsafe...

You should properly build your deck including securing it to posts
which are firmly attached to the concrete pads (are these footings
or just surface pads) for support and make sure since you are in a
wintery area that the deck supports go down into the ground at
least four feet to prevent heaving due to the ground freezing...

~~ Evan

On Feb 15, 1:39*pm, Evan wrote:
On Feb 15, 5:08*am, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

Ah, yeah... *Why is your "deck" not properly secured to the ground ?

If it is resting on blocks then I can imagine several scenarios where
it could "move" or "tip" on its own... *Sounds very unsafe...

You should properly build your deck including securing it to posts
which are firmly attached to the concrete pads (are these footings
or just surface pads) for support and make sure since you are in a
wintery area that the deck supports go down into the ground at
least four feet to prevent heaving due to the ground freezing...

~~ Evan

which echos my comment about lack of permit or inspections.

people have been hurt and even died when decks collapse.

On Feb 15, 3:33*pm, " wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:39*pm, Evan wrote:





On Feb 15, 5:08*am, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

Ah, yeah... *Why is your "deck" not properly secured to the ground ?

If it is resting on blocks then I can imagine several scenarios where
it could "move" or "tip" on its own... *Sounds very unsafe...

You should properly build your deck including securing it to posts
which are firmly attached to the concrete pads (are these footings
or just surface pads) for support and make sure since you are in a
wintery area that the deck supports go down into the ground at
least four feet to prevent heaving due to the ground freezing...

~~ Evan

which echos my comment about lack of permit or inspections.

people have been hurt and even died when decks collapse.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. Get a grip.

On Feb 15, 5:08*am, wrote:
I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

The ground may shift every year. Use a four inch block and paver
blocks and a few cedar roofing shims. Or PT like someone else
suggested. Adjust it seasonally

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:29:04 -0800 (PST), Colonel Polyps
wrote:

The ground may shift every year. Use a four inch block and paver
blocks and a few cedar roofing shims. Or PT like someone else
suggested. Adjust it seasonally

Adjusting shims seasonally sounds like ****wittedness to me.

?
"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:29:04 -0800 (PST), Colonel Polyps
wrote:

The ground may shift every year. Use a four inch block and paver
blocks and a few cedar roofing shims. Or PT like someone else
suggested. Adjust it seasonally

Adjusting shims seasonally sounds like ****wittedness to me.

Damn, you got to use the word. Good on ya!

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

On Feb 16, 9:27*am, " wrote:
He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

Twit

On Feb 16, 9:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Feb 16, 9:27*am, " wrote:

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

Twit

oh yeah its far better to reshim every year, and someone said the
decks 3 feet high.

if the deck that high has a problem with a elderly person on it, bad
things can happen.....

besides at home sale time the deck will be a big issue, a buyer
probably cant get homeowners insurance with such a hazard, no
homeowners insurance no home sale

On Feb 16, 9:58*am, " wrote:
On Feb 16, 9:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:27*am, " wrote:

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

Twit

oh yeah its far better to reshim every year, and someone said the
decks 3 feet high.

if the deck that high has a problem with a elderly person on it, bad
things can happen.....

besides at home sale time the deck will be a big issue, a buyer
probably cant get homeowners insurance with such a hazard, no
homeowners insurance no home sale

He never said that he has frost heave. He just said he needs to lower
it a little because it is too high. He gave us no information that
would suggest the quality of the construction is shoddy. The only
thing we know is that it is not tied down to the ground. In many
places that may be a code violation. No matter what the size of the
deck it weighs hundred of pounds so it's not going to move just
because it is sitting on blocks. For hundreds of years houses have
been built just sitting on top of stoneor block. The tie down
requirement is to keep it form going airborne in a tornado. Read the
posts and don't make assumptions about things that are not said.

On Feb 16, 11:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Feb 16, 9:58*am, " wrote:





On Feb 16, 9:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:27*am, " wrote:

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

Twit

oh yeah its far better to reshim every year, and someone said the
decks 3 feet high.

if the deck that high has a problem with a elderly person on it, bad
things can happen.....

besides at home sale time the deck will be a big issue, a buyer
probably cant get homeowners insurance with such a hazard, no
homeowners insurance no home sale

He never said that he has frost heave. *He just said he needs to lower
it a little because it is too high. *He gave us no information that
would suggest the quality of the construction is shoddy. *The only
thing we know is that it is not tied down to the ground. *In many
places that may be a code violation. *No matter what the size of the
deck it weighs hundred of pounds so it's not going to move just
because it is sitting on blocks. *For hundreds of years houses have
been built just sitting on top of stoneor block. *The tie down
requirement is to keep it form going airborne in a tornado. *Read the
posts and don't make assumptions about things that are not said.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

certinally building codes are only general advice on not based on law,
safety, or anything else.

building codes are only to create troubles for homeowners. and home
buyers at sales time....

by the way it might be easier to put a roof over at least part of the
deck, so ice and snow cant accumulate

On Feb 16, 12:02*pm, " wrote:
On Feb 16, 11:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Feb 16, 9:58*am, " wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:27*am, " wrote:

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

Twit

oh yeah its far better to reshim every year, and someone said the
decks 3 feet high.

if the deck that high has a problem with a elderly person on it, bad
things can happen.....

besides at home sale time the deck will be a big issue, a buyer
probably cant get homeowners insurance with such a hazard, no
homeowners insurance no home sale

He never said that he has frost heave. *He just said he needs to lower
it a little because it is too high. *He gave us no information that
would suggest the quality of the construction is shoddy. *The only
thing we know is that it is not tied down to the ground. *In many
places that may be a code violation. *No matter what the size of the
deck it weighs hundred of pounds so it's not going to move just
because it is sitting on blocks. *For hundreds of years houses have
been built just sitting on top of stoneor block. *The tie down
requirement is to keep it form going airborne in a tornado. *Read the
posts and don't make assumptions about things that are not said.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

certinally building codes are only general advice on not based on law,
safety, or anything else.

building codes are only to create troubles for homeowners. and home
buyers at sales time....

by the way it might be easier to put a roof over at least part of the
deck, so ice and snow cant accumulate- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Building codes are generally a good idea and should be followed. If
you are going to disregard one it is best if you fully understand the
reason for the code and have rationalized why it is not an issue for
you. If you are not sure then you should just follow the code. Not
every part of the country requires tie downs on structures.

On Feb 16, 9:02*am, " wrote:
On Feb 16, 11:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Feb 16, 9:58*am, " wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:51*am, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:27*am, " wrote:

He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

Twit

oh yeah its far better to reshim every year, and someone said the
decks 3 feet high.

if the deck that high has a problem with a elderly person on it, bad
things can happen.....

besides at home sale time the deck will be a big issue, a buyer
probably cant get homeowners insurance with such a hazard, no
homeowners insurance no home sale

He never said that he has frost heave. *He just said he needs to lower
it a little because it is too high. *He gave us no information that
would suggest the quality of the construction is shoddy. *The only
thing we know is that it is not tied down to the ground. *In many
places that may be a code violation. *No matter what the size of the
deck it weighs hundred of pounds so it's not going to move just
because it is sitting on blocks. *For hundreds of years houses have
been built just sitting on top of stoneor block. *The tie down
requirement is to keep it form going airborne in a tornado. *Read the
posts and don't make assumptions about things that are not said.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

certinally building codes are only general advice on not based on law,
safety, or anything else.

building codes are only to create troubles for homeowners. and home
buyers at sales time....

by the way it might be easier to put a roof over at least part of the
deck, so ice and snow cant accumulate- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So why don't you tell him to tear down the house and rebuild it as a
mansion?

Harry K

On Feb 15, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB

On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD

On Feb 16, 1:26*pm, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:





On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

it sounds like the deck isnt attached to the building, and thats a
safety hazard. 3 8 inch blocks is high enough for someone to get hurt
if the deck comes off the blocks.

and at home resale time a home inspector will make it into the end of
the world.... but it might just end the sale

If he rebuilds the deck now or has it rebuilt to code, he can do the
work himself or a handyman can.

push this off to home resale time, and buyer will demand registered
everything

On Feb 16, 10:26*am, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:





On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep. 23 posts and I am the only one who even answered his question.
From Post 2 on it is all criticism of how he "screwed up".

Harry K

On Feb 16, 2:23*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go outside and look at the difference between your front porch or
steps and the door transom. It's often several inches. People deal
with it. They don't even know they are dealing with it, it's just
instinctive.

On Feb 16, 6:11*pm, " wrote:
On Feb 16, 1:26*pm, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Feb 15, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

it sounds like the deck isnt attached to the building, and thats a
safety hazard. 3 8 inch blocks is high enough for someone to get hurt
if the deck comes off the blocks.

and at home resale time a home inspector will make it into the end of
the world.... but it might just end the sale

If he rebuilds the deck now or has it rebuilt to code, he can do the
work himself or a handyman can.

push this off to home resale time, and buyer will demand registered
everything- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Decks are not required to be attached to the house. Some people
prefer to build them that way as it avoids opening the house siding to
attach the deck frame. Again you don't know what you are talking
about.

Even if he lives in a location that requires tie downs he can simply
get some tie downs and add them to comply with local code. Without
changing his deck at all.

On 2/17/2011 6:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Feb 16, 2:23 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go outside and look at the difference between your front porch or
steps and the door transom. It's often several inches. People deal
with it. They don't even know they are dealing with it, it's just
instinctive.

In the case of a deck, things might be different because many people
use their back deck for entertainment, outdoor cooking, etc and the
deck is often pretty much level with the door which is often a
kitchen door. My front door has a drop of 6" to the top step of 7.
My back deck/porch is level with the interior floor on the other
side of the sliding glass door. I'm glad because there is less chance
of me tripping when I carry a big pan of pieces of lifeless animal
carcasses to the grill. ^_^

TDD

On Feb 17, 8:04*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Feb 16, 6:11*pm, " wrote:





On Feb 16, 1:26*pm, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Feb 15, 3:35*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code..
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

it sounds like the deck isnt attached to the building, and thats a
safety hazard. 3 8 inch blocks is high enough for someone to get hurt
if the deck comes off the blocks.

and at home resale time a home inspector will make it into the end of
the world.... but it might just end the sale

If he rebuilds the deck now or has it rebuilt to code, he can do the
work himself or a handyman can.

push this off to home resale time, and buyer will demand registered
everything- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Decks are not required to be attached to the house. *Some people
prefer to build them that way as it avoids opening the house siding to
attach the deck frame. *Again you don't know what you are talking
about.

Even if he lives in a location that requires tie downs he can simply
get some tie downs and add them to comply with local code. *Without
changing his deck at all.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I want a cite that decks dont need to be attached to the building.....

" wrote:

-snip-

I want a cite that decks dont need to be attached to the building.....

am I reading this correctly;
p1- #5
"Decks off cantilevered houses require deck joists to either be run to
the bearing wall or be supported independently"
http://www.niskayuna.org/Public_Docu...lding/Deck.pdf

Sounds to me like a deck can be independently supported.

Jim

On Feb 17, 10:34*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 2/17/2011 6:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Feb 16, 2:23 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code..
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go outside and look at the difference between your front porch or
steps and the door transom. *It's often several inches. *People deal
with it. *They don't even know they are dealing with it, it's just
instinctive.

In the case of a deck, things might be different because many people
use their back deck for entertainment, outdoor cooking, etc and the
deck is often pretty much level with the door which is often a
kitchen door. My front door has a drop of 6" to the top step of 7.
My back deck/porch is level with the interior floor on the other
side of the sliding glass door. I'm glad because there is less chance
of me tripping when I carry a big pan of pieces of lifeless animal
carcasses to the grill. ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure, if you have a sliding glass door. But if you have a hinged
exterior door that opens outward and you live in the north you better
have a few inches of drop or you will have the problem that the
original poster came here with. Before you accused him of having a
shoddy deck without having any facts.

On 2/17/2011 11:41 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Feb 17, 10:34 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/17/2011 6:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Feb 16, 2:23 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go outside and look at the difference between your front porch or
steps and the door transom. It's often several inches. People deal
with it. They don't even know they are dealing with it, it's just
instinctive.

In the case of a deck, things might be different because many people
use their back deck for entertainment, outdoor cooking, etc and the
deck is often pretty much level with the door which is often a
kitchen door. My front door has a drop of 6" to the top step of 7.
My back deck/porch is level with the interior floor on the other
side of the sliding glass door. I'm glad because there is less chance
of me tripping when I carry a big pan of pieces of lifeless animal
carcasses to the grill. ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure, if you have a sliding glass door. But if you have a hinged
exterior door that opens outward and you live in the north you better
have a few inches of drop or you will have the problem that the
original poster came here with. Before you accused him of having a
shoddy deck without having any facts.

Excuse me?! I didn't accuse anyone of anything, you may be getting your
posts mixed up there feller. I would appreciate it if you would point
out where you think I may have been nasty to the OP which is something
I never do, even when arguing politics. :-)

TDD

On Feb 17, 1:22*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 2/17/2011 11:41 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Feb 17, 10:34 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/17/2011 6:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Feb 16, 2:23 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter..
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go outside and look at the difference between your front porch or
steps and the door transom. *It's often several inches. *People deal
with it. *They don't even know they are dealing with it, it's just
instinctive.

In the case of a deck, things might be different because many people
use their back deck for entertainment, outdoor cooking, etc and the
deck is often pretty much level with the door which is often a
kitchen door. My front door has a drop of 6" to the top step of 7.
My back deck/porch is level with the interior floor on the other
side of the sliding glass door. I'm glad because there is less chance
of me tripping when I carry a big pan of pieces of lifeless animal
carcasses to the grill. ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure, if you have a sliding glass door. *But if you have a hinged
exterior door that opens outward and you live in the north you better
have a few inches of drop or you will have the problem that the
original poster came here with. *Before you accused him of having a
shoddy deck without having any facts.

Excuse me?! I didn't accuse anyone of anything, you may be getting your
posts mixed up there feller. I would appreciate it if you would point
out where you think I may have been nasty to the OP which is something
I never do, even when arguing politics. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What can I say, I mix up the two of you up. You had the heat tape
idea.

On Feb 17, 12:34*pm, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:

-snip-



I want a cite that decks dont need to be attached to the building.....

am I reading this correctly;
p1- #5
"Decks off cantilevered houses require deck joists to either be run to
the bearing wall or be supported independently"http://www.niskayuna.org/Public_Documents/NiskayunaNY_Building/Deck.pdf

Sounds to me like a deck can be independently supported.

Jim

#6 deck ledger boards must be bolted to the home and footer must be at
least 42 inches deep to minimize freeze heaving.....

On Feb 17, 9:41*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Feb 17, 10:34*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:





On 2/17/2011 6:56 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Feb 16, 2:23 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/16/2011 12:26 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. *I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. *This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. *Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. *As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. *I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. *But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? * I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. *But I
never seens 6" ones. *I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. *You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter..
What am I missing?

HB

That's why I suggested heat tape. With the deck closer to the indoor
floor level, there is less chance of someone tripping and falling
when going through the door. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Go outside and look at the difference between your front porch or
steps and the door transom. *It's often several inches. *People deal
with it. *They don't even know they are dealing with it, it's just
instinctive.

In the case of a deck, things might be different because many people
use their back deck for entertainment, outdoor cooking, etc and the
deck is often pretty much level with the door which is often a
kitchen door. My front door has a drop of 6" to the top step of 7.
My back deck/porch is level with the interior floor on the other
side of the sliding glass door. I'm glad because there is less chance
of me tripping when I carry a big pan of pieces of lifeless animal
carcasses to the grill. ^_^

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure, if you have a sliding glass door. *But if you have a hinged
exterior door that opens outward and you live in the north you better
have a few inches of drop or you will have the problem that the
original poster came here with. *Before you accused him of having a
shoddy deck without having any facts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, when I had my front stoop/steps poured I made the mistake of
making it level with the 'entry'. Big mistake. I for sure was smart
enough not to do that on the patio side.

Harry K

On Feb 17, 8:26*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:27:24 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:
He's got a small deck that's not even 3 feet off the ground. *His
problem isn't frost heave, it's the buildup of snow and ice on top of
the deck in front of the door. *Get a grip.-

or tear the deck apart and rebuild it properly

As soon as I get a check from you for $47,569.99, I'll do just
that....

When can I expect this check?

actually the cost to disassemble it and rebuild properly wouldnt be
that much money.

new hardware mostly and add footers

?
wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 12:34 pm, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:

-snip-



I want a cite that decks dont need to be attached to the building.....

am I reading this correctly;
p1- #5
"Decks off cantilevered houses require deck joists to either be run to
the bearing wall or be supported
independently"http://www.niskayuna.org/Public_Documents/NiskayunaNY_Building/Deck.pdf

Sounds to me like a deck can be independently supported.

Jim

#6 deck ledger boards must be bolted to the home and footer must be at
least 42 inches deep to minimize freeze heaving.....

So, if I wanted to build a deck in the middle of a field, I'd have to built
a house along side to support it?

In article ,
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

?
"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:29:04 -0800 (PST), Colonel Polyps
wrote:

The ground may shift every year. Use a four inch block and paver
blocks and a few cedar roofing shims. Or PT like someone else
suggested. Adjust it seasonally

Adjusting shims seasonally sounds like ****wittedness to me.

Damn, you got to use the word. Good on ya!

Right. But I think the OP should put the deck on hydraulics, like a low
rider. Make himself a dancing deck. Jacking up one edge would make
hosing it off easier. Playing "ship deck" with drunken guests would be a
blast. Transition to the house would be fully ADA compliant.

On Feb 17, 10:13*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
wrote in message

...





On Feb 17, 12:34 pm, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:

-snip-

I want a cite that decks dont need to be attached to the building......

am I reading this correctly;
p1- #5
"Decks off cantilevered houses require deck joists to either be run to
the bearing wall or be supported
independently"http://www.niskayuna.org/Public_Documents/NiskayunaNY_Building/Deck.pdf

Sounds to me like a deck can be independently supported.

Jim

#6 deck ledger boards must be bolted to the home and footer must be at
least 42 inches deep to minimize freeze heaving.....

So, if I wanted to build a deck in the middle of a field, I'd have to built
a house along side to support it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no then it would be a free standing structure, but would still
require proper footings

In article
,
Harry K wrote:



Yep. 23 posts and I am the only one who even answered his question.
From Post 2 on it is all criticism of how he "screwed up".

Harry K

What was that line from Bugsy? Oh yeah: You can suck your gold star
right out of my dick.

On Feb 17, 5:11*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:11:02 -0800 (PST), "





wrote:
On Feb 16, 1:26 pm, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:35 am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/15/2011 4:08 AM, wrote:

I have a small deck built in stacked 8 inch concrete blocks. I first
put in concrete pads in the ground, then stacked three 8 inch concrete
blocks on top and built the deck on them. This deck was fine in the
summer, but when winter came, I found it was too close to the bottom
of the storm door on the house. Just the smallest amount of ice on
the deck and we cant open the storm door. As soon as the ice and snow
is gone, I want to lower the deck about 2 inches. I can easily lift
it with a jack. My idea is to remove the top 8 inch block and replace
it with a 6 inch one in all four corners. But, do they make 6 inch
blocks? I know 8" is the most common, and they make 4" ones. But I
never seens 6" ones. I suppose if nothing else I can make some solid
ones with a wooden form and some Redi-Mix.

Thanks

It might be easier to install a strip of electric heat tape to melt the
ice around the door threshold. Perhaps there is enough room under the
threshold to install some heat tape?

TDD

Nobody is paying attention to what seems (to this non-techie) a simple
solution. You all got off on rebuilding the deck according to code.
AFAK, the guy is only trying to get his ****ing door open in winter.
What am I missing?

HB- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

it sounds like the deck isnt attached to the building, and thats a
safety hazard. 3 8 inch blocks is high enough for someone to get hurt
if the deck comes off the blocks.

and at home resale time a home inspector will make it into the end of
the world.... but it might just end the sale

If he rebuilds the deck now or has it rebuilt to code, he can do the
work himself or a handyman can.

push this off to home resale time, and buyer will demand registered
everything

1. Its a trailer house

2. The deck is attached to the house with two L-brackets, one on each
side.

3. The deck cant pull away from the house because the bottom steps in
front have eye bolts under the bottom step with rebar driven in the
ground.

4. I'm not worried about resale value. *I dont plan to move.

5. I'm not woried about inspections, it's a farm house and when this
trailer first arrived I only had concrete block steps. *The inspector
only checked to see if I had a smoke detector, said they dont inspect
trailers any more than that.

6. How could I put heat tape in treated 2x6 deck boards.

7. The deck is still too high. *I built it level with the house floor.
The threshold is an inch above the floor. *Deck lifted a little during
the winter. *Ice dripped off awning above door, froze on the snow, I
could not get out the door. *Had to use rear door.

8. *Deck is only 7x10 feet. *I built it on the lawn and set it in
place with the tractor. *Steps were added later.
I can lift with tractor again, or just jack it up an inch to change
blocks. *Step stringers will have to be cut off 2" on bottom. *Not a
problem it's all screwed together.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice try but the backbiters will find something else to nit pick .
You did see my post? Yes, they make 6" block.

Hard to believe that there are 43 posts and only one answered your
question.

Harry K

On Feb 17, 7:30*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,
*Harry K wrote:



Yep. *23 posts and I am the only one who even answered his question.
From Post 2 on it is all criticism of how he "screwed up".

Harry K

What was that line from Bugsy? Oh yeah: You can suck your gold star
right out of my dick.

Facts really suck for you don't they?

Harry K