Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

"N8N" wrote in message
...
Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

Why don't you ask your mechanic where they get theirs?? WW

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:22:15 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

When I drop my car off, which is rarely, they use much cheaper rings,
that go about one 1.3 times around and I'm sure I could bend with my
fingers.

The simplest thing I can think of is to ask the place you drop your
car off if you can buy some. If they say no, ask them where they buy
theirs. (Truly, it's funny how people work and this second question
may cause them to say, here's some for free, or at least to name a
price.)

Then I would try keyrings.com . Hey, there really is such a page,
although it is mostly personallized keyrings and may not really have
much variety mechancially. But I see they do have a category called
Split Rings, except on my browser it's empty.
http://www.namifiers.com/Products/Ca...D=SPLITKEYRING

Anyone know what I'm talking about,

No. I don't think I do.

, and know where I can buy some of
these?

Googling on split key ring bulk gave a bunch of things including:
http://www.amazon.com/36pc-Locksmith.../dp/B003675R7K
but I don't think one can tell if they are what you want. You could
write the vendor. Write via ebay so your questoins and answers are
recorded there.

Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket.

What?

It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

Is this a troll? If yours is sprung, get another one for 5 cents or a
quarter. The new ones aren't sprung. (Unless you shop at a specialty
store for spring rings.) It doesn't have to be triple. The ones they
sell everywhere and often give away for free are fine.

nate

On Feb 7, 6:22*am, N8N wrote:
Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. *Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. *However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. *It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. *The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? *Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. *It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. *I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

I didnt read your post super carefully (not enough "white
space".....I've got more than a bit of 'ADD')

take a look at these
McMaster.com

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

cheers
Bob

Offer to buy 10 or 20 from the mechanic, or car company.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"WW" wrote in message
. ..

Why don't you ask your mechanic where they get theirs?? WW

On Feb 7, 11:29*am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Feb 7, 6:22*am, N8N wrote:





Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. *Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. *However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. *It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. *The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? *Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. *It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. *I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

I didnt read your post super carefully (not enough "white
space".....I've got more than a bit of 'ADD')

take a look at these
McMaster.com

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH *how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

In article
,
N8N wrote:



I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?

On Feb 7, 12:12*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,

*N8N wrote:

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?

Actually I have, at the one near my house, all they have are the kind
I don't like. Same with the hardware store down the street.

nate

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:


86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH *how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

nate

Smitty Two wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
N8N wrote:



I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?


go to WalMart or Home Depot and look around where they make the KEYS.
Yikes!

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

G. Morgan wrote in
:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"


or is he referring to the key FOB,that has a coded chip?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Feb 7, 1:43*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Smitty Two wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
*N8N wrote:

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?

go to WalMart or Home Depot and look around where they make the KEYS.
Yikes!

You know how I know you didn't read my post?

yikes yourself.

nate

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:19:04 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.

On Feb 7, 1:41*pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:







86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

nate

Metspitzer wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:19:04 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

N8N wrote:

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.

Use a yellow or orange zip tie.

Jim Yanik wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"


or is he referring to the key FOB,that has a coded chip?

Hell if I know. At first I thought he wanted a pull-apart valet
style for the mechanic. Now I re-read it an I think he just wants
really strong springs.

Like some of these:
http://www.firemountaingems.com/deta...p?PN=H202304FN

On Feb 7, 8:22*am, N8N wrote:
Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. *Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. *However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. *It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. *The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? *Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. *It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. *I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

Available from office product firms that specialize in supplying auto
dealerships and repair shops. Google it for names and addresses.

Joe

Many adults carry two or more rings of keys. Pants
pockets, coat pockets, wallets often have key
hiders, coat pockets, etc.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Metspitzer" wrote in message
...


Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home
only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I
bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to
split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the
mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:55:15 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:


Hell if I know. At first I thought he wanted a pull-apart valet
style for the mechanic. Now I re-read it an I think he just wants
really strong springs.

Like some of these:
http://www.firemountaingems.com/deta...p?PN=H202304FN

Except he wants one with triple, instead of a double rings. I think.

Try a Cop Shop or LEO suppliers. Might even call his local prison and
speak with the locksmith/security officer...

I've only seen triple rings, usually in small sizes?

Try a marine store. They have such rings in various sizes to secure pins.
As a bonus the material will probably be highly corrosion resistant.

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com

On 7 Feb 2011 22:30:55 GMT, ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:

Try a marine store. They have such rings in various sizes to secure pins.
As a bonus the material will probably be highly corrosion resistant.

Dan Lanciani

Here is another alternative:

pic:

http://www.broderick.com/c/cj_JT431_Key_Ring_screw_off_ball_end_Sterling_Silv er_broderick_.jpg

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

It also works as a fake nose ring.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:55:55 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Many adults carry two or more rings of keys. Pants
pockets, coat pockets, wallets often have key
hiders, coat pockets, etc.

Most likely so the children don't escape.

The crazy aunt in the attic?

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41*pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:







86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate

On 2/7/2011 10:21 PM, mm wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:







86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate


Ooh! A pet peeve of mine! Those idiotic combined-key-and-remote-fob
monsters Chrysler used in mid-80s. They musta thought only people
carrying purses bought their minivans. Damn thing is so big (almost like
a serving spoon), and the ring loop is in such a bad spot, there is no
way for a normal male to keep a ring with that on it in his pants pocket.

A previous dealer/lienholder had kept the 2nd fob key somewhere in the
chain, so I had to waste 130 bucks on the way home getting 2 more keys
with normal size heads. (If you only have one chip key, ya hafta get the
magic number from dealer, and go to a locksmith with the machine.)

Of course, since they assume everyone will carry the silly huge key with
the buttons, they only put a lock cylinder on driver's door and hatch,
which is a constant PITA. I automatically hit the 'unlock' button when I
get out now, so I can load stuff when I come back to car, without
setting stuff down on the (usually wet around here) ground.

Never understood the appeal of button key fobs. You are standing at the
car door anyway. Is sticking the key in the lock such a difficult process?

I haven't used a metal key ring for decades. I cut off a few inches
from a leather shoelace, string my keys on it, match the ends and tie
a single knot. I've found it a great deal more reliable than any key
ring or chain. Lasts several years, then I cut a few more inches off
the shoelace. I think the leather shoelaces I bought in 1973 are
almost used up and I'm gonna have to buy a new pair, dang it.

Only downside is that taking a key off (for example for a mechanic) is
a pain, because the knot gets pretty tight after a while. If I had to
do that daily, I would not like my solution. In fact I probably do it
half a dozen times a year, which I can manage.

Edward

Metspitzer wrote in
:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:19:04 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.



what's to worry is that the mechanic could make a copy of your house
key,and use it later to burgle your home.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Oren wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the keys fly
all over the place when you pull the ring out of your pocket. Not fun in
a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another copy
of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with a tag
listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that whenever
you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or parking.

On Feb 7, 11:26*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/7/2011 10:21 PM, mm wrote:





On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41 pm, *wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. *I can't stop
carrying those. *For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? *If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. *Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate

Ooh! A pet peeve of mine! Those idiotic combined-key-and-remote-fob
monsters Chrysler used in mid-80s. They musta thought only people
carrying purses bought their minivans. Damn thing is so big (almost like
a serving spoon), and the ring loop is in such a bad spot, there is no
way for a normal male to keep a ring with that on it in his pants pocket.

A previous dealer/lienholder had kept the 2nd fob key somewhere in the
chain, so I had to waste 130 bucks on the way home getting 2 more keys
with normal size heads. (If you only have one chip key, ya hafta get the
magic number from dealer, and go to a locksmith with the machine.)

Of course, since they assume everyone will carry the silly huge key with
the buttons, they only put a lock cylinder on driver's door and hatch,
which is a constant PITA. I automatically hit the 'unlock' button when I
get out now, so I can load stuff when I come back to car, without
setting stuff down on the (usually wet around here) ground.

Never understood the appeal of button key fobs. You are standing at the
car door anyway. Is sticking the key in the lock such a difficult process?- Hide quoted text -

Apparently. My company car has no lock cylinder for the trunk lid,
and to make matters worse, the buttons for the rear doors are at the
rear of the doors not the front, so if the battery goes dead, here is
the procedure for retrieving the jumper cables:

1) unlock driver's door with key
2) climb into back seat
3) unlock rear door
4) climb out again
5) fold down rear seat back
6) pull out milk crate with emergency supplies
7) retrieve jumper cables

really? This is progress?

nate

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:20:10 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Feb 7, 11:26*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/7/2011 10:21 PM, mm wrote:





On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41 pm, *wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. *I can't stop
carrying those. *For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? *If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. *Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate

Ooh! A pet peeve of mine! Those idiotic combined-key-and-remote-fob
monsters Chrysler used in mid-80s. They musta thought only people
carrying purses bought their minivans. Damn thing is so big (almost like
a serving spoon), and the ring loop is in such a bad spot, there is no
way for a normal male to keep a ring with that on it in his pants pocket.

A previous dealer/lienholder had kept the 2nd fob key somewhere in the
chain, so I had to waste 130 bucks on the way home getting 2 more keys
with normal size heads. (If you only have one chip key, ya hafta get the
magic number from dealer, and go to a locksmith with the machine.)

Of course, since they assume everyone will carry the silly huge key with
the buttons, they only put a lock cylinder on driver's door and hatch,
which is a constant PITA. I automatically hit the 'unlock' button when I
get out now, so I can load stuff when I come back to car, without
setting stuff down on the (usually wet around here) ground.

Never understood the appeal of button key fobs. You are standing at the
car door anyway. Is sticking the key in the lock such a difficult process?- Hide quoted text -

Apparently. My company car has no lock cylinder for the trunk lid,
and to make matters worse, the buttons for the rear doors are at the
rear of the doors not the front, so if the battery goes dead, here is
the procedure for retrieving the jumper cables:

1) unlock driver's door with key
2) climb into back seat
3) unlock rear door
4) climb out again
5) fold down rear seat back
6) pull out milk crate with emergency supplies
7) retrieve jumper cables

really? This is progress?

nate

What make and model??

On 2/7/2011 11:26 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/7/2011 10:21 PM, mm wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:







86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate


Ooh! A pet peeve of mine! Those idiotic combined-key-and-remote-fob
monsters Chrysler used in mid-80s.

Arrgh! I meant mid-2000s, of course.

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On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the keys fly
all over the place when you pull the ring out of your pocket. Not fun in
a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another copy
of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with a tag
listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that whenever
you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn smart
keys are expensive.

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On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:29:16 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the keys fly
all over the place when you pull the ring out of your pocket. Not fun in
a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another copy
of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with a tag
listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that whenever
you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn smart
keys are expensive.

At least Ford smart keys aren't all that expensive as long as you buy the
spare while you still have at least two others. I think the last one I bought
was $12. With only one it they can get $75, or so.

Neill Massello wrote:

Oren wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the keys fly
all over the place when you pull the ring out of your pocket. Not fun in
a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another copy
of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with a tag
listing the make, model, and color of your car;

How about the license number?

and use that whenever
you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or parking.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Evolution, the Greatest Theory Ever Told!"

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:45:10 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:29:16 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the keys fly
all over the place when you pull the ring out of your pocket. Not fun in
a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another copy
of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with a tag
listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that whenever
you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn smart
keys are expensive.

At least Ford smart keys aren't all that expensive as long as you buy the
spare while you still have at least two others. I think the last one I bought
was $12. With only one it they can get $75, or so.

Weird. Is this in person? Can you borrow a neighbor's second key so
it looks like you have two?

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:07:56 -0500, mm wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:45:10 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:29:16 -0500, aemeijers wrote:

On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the keys fly
all over the place when you pull the ring out of your pocket. Not fun in
a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another copy
of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with a tag
listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that whenever
you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn smart
keys are expensive.

At least Ford smart keys aren't all that expensive as long as you buy the
spare while you still have at least two others. I think the last one I bought
was $12. With only one it they can get $75, or so.

Weird. Is this in person? Can you borrow a neighbor's second key so
it looks like you have two?

No. If you have two, you can reprogram the third yourself using the car's
computer (it's somewhat of a pain, but the instructions are in the owner's
manual). They just cut the keys (blanks aren't expensive). If you only have
one, they have to do it and they'll likely ding you for an hour labor.

" wrote in
:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:07:56 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:45:10 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:29:16 -0500, aemeijers
wrote:

On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the
keys fly all over the place when you pull the ring out of your
pocket. Not fun in a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another
copy of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with
a tag listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that
whenever you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or
parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn
smart keys are expensive.

At least Ford smart keys aren't all that expensive as long as you buy
the spare while you still have at least two others. I think the last
one I bought was $12. With only one it they can get $75, or so.

Weird. Is this in person? Can you borrow a neighbor's second key so
it looks like you have two?

No. If you have two, you can reprogram the third yourself using the
car's computer (it's somewhat of a pain, but the instructions are in
the owner's manual). They just cut the keys (blanks aren't
expensive). If you only have one, they have to do it and they'll
likely ding you for an hour labor.


I don't believe that is true for all makes of autos.
Some locksmiths can now program chipped key blanks,again for certain makes
only.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On 2/10/2011 11:02 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
z wrote in
:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:07:56 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:45:10 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:29:16 -0500,
wrote:

On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the
keys fly all over the place when you pull the ring out of your
pocket. Not fun in a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another
copy of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with
a tag listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that
whenever you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or
parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn
smart keys are expensive.

At least Ford smart keys aren't all that expensive as long as you buy
the spare while you still have at least two others. I think the last
one I bought was $12. With only one it they can get $75, or so.

Weird. Is this in person? Can you borrow a neighbor's second key so
it looks like you have two?

No. If you have two, you can reprogram the third yourself using the
car's computer (it's somewhat of a pain, but the instructions are in
the owner's manual). They just cut the keys (blanks aren't
expensive). If you only have one, they have to do it and they'll
likely ding you for an hour labor.


I don't believe that is true for all makes of autos.
Some locksmiths can now program chipped key blanks,again for certain makes
only.


This is true. From what they told me, a lot of small-town dealers that
don't need to create that many keys, and don't want to buy the machine
and keep the software updated (or a trained operator on the payroll),
now job out the work to a local locksmith. When I bought my 1-key van,
dealer gave me the magic number, and pointed me at the locksmith they
use. And it was still north of 120 bucks for 2 normal-sized but chipped,
no-button keys. So I now have 3. I keep meaning to buy a couple uncut
blanks off ebay, and get them cut cheap at hardware store, and program
them myself. I'm well overdue for losing a keyring, and it is best to be
prepared. I wish I could find a programmable separate-from-key button
fob that would work with an 05 Caravan, because there are times the
buttons would be nice, since 3 of the 5 doors have no lock cylinder. I
just can't live with that bizarre serving-spoon-sized combined key and
fob- my pockets aren't that big. What idiot thought that was a good idea?

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:02:56 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:07:56 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:45:10 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:29:16 -0500, aemeijers
wrote:

On 2/8/2011 12:40 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
wrote:

Fancy. Just un-screw the ball.

Which gradually occurs by itself over time until, one day, the
keys fly all over the place when you pull the ring out of your
pocket. Not fun in a dark parking lot.

I'll repeat the advice that others have given the OP: get another
copy of your car key; put it on a small, plain ring by itself with
a tag listing the make, model, and color of your car; and use that
whenever you need to hand over your car for service, cleaning, or
parking.


Good solution for an older car, but anything recent, those damn
smart keys are expensive.

At least Ford smart keys aren't all that expensive as long as you buy
the spare while you still have at least two others. I think the last
one I bought was $12. With only one it they can get $75, or so.

Weird. Is this in person? Can you borrow a neighbor's second key so
it looks like you have two?

No. If you have two, you can reprogram the third yourself using the
car's computer (it's somewhat of a pain, but the instructions are in
the owner's manual). They just cut the keys (blanks aren't
expensive). If you only have one, they have to do it and they'll
likely ding you for an hour labor.


I don't believe that is true for all makes of autos.

I said, Ford. I'm sure some screw you over worse.

Some locksmiths can now program chipped key blanks,again for certain makes
only.

With a Ford, anyway, it's not the key that gets programmed. The car's
computer has to be told that the key is valid. Two keys or a third party (the
dealership) is how it determines "programming rights". Maybe Ford allows
locksmiths to have the secret handshake that allows single key (or no key)
programming, don't know.

On 02/08/2011 06:33 PM, mm wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:20:10 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 7, 11:26 pm, wrote:
On 2/7/2011 10:21 PM, mm wrote:





On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate

Ooh! A pet peeve of mine! Those idiotic combined-key-and-remote-fob
monsters Chrysler used in mid-80s. They musta thought only people
carrying purses bought their minivans. Damn thing is so big (almost like
a serving spoon), and the ring loop is in such a bad spot, there is no
way for a normal male to keep a ring with that on it in his pants pocket.

A previous dealer/lienholder had kept the 2nd fob key somewhere in the
chain, so I had to waste 130 bucks on the way home getting 2 more keys
with normal size heads. (If you only have one chip key, ya hafta get the
magic number from dealer, and go to a locksmith with the machine.)

Of course, since they assume everyone will carry the silly huge key with
the buttons, they only put a lock cylinder on driver's door and hatch,
which is a constant PITA. I automatically hit the 'unlock' button when I
get out now, so I can load stuff when I come back to car, without
setting stuff down on the (usually wet around here) ground.

Never understood the appeal of button key fobs. You are standing at the
car door anyway. Is sticking the key in the lock such a difficult process?- Hide quoted text -

Apparently. My company car has no lock cylinder for the trunk lid,
and to make matters worse, the buttons for the rear doors are at the
rear of the doors not the front, so if the battery goes dead, here is
the procedure for retrieving the jumper cables:

1) unlock driver's door with key
2) climb into back seat
3) unlock rear door
4) climb out again
5) fold down rear seat back
6) pull out milk crate with emergency supplies
7) retrieve jumper cables

really? This is progress?

nate

What make and model??

2008 Impala.

nate

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