Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

"N8N" wrote in message
...
Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

Why don't you ask your mechanic where they get theirs?? WW

Offer to buy 10 or 20 from the mechanic, or car company.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"WW" wrote in message
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Why don't you ask your mechanic where they get theirs?? WW

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:22:15 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

When I drop my car off, which is rarely, they use much cheaper rings,
that go about one 1.3 times around and I'm sure I could bend with my
fingers.

The simplest thing I can think of is to ask the place you drop your
car off if you can buy some. If they say no, ask them where they buy
theirs. (Truly, it's funny how people work and this second question
may cause them to say, here's some for free, or at least to name a
price.)

Then I would try keyrings.com . Hey, there really is such a page,
although it is mostly personallized keyrings and may not really have
much variety mechancially. But I see they do have a category called
Split Rings, except on my browser it's empty.
http://www.namifiers.com/Products/Ca...D=SPLITKEYRING

Anyone know what I'm talking about,

No. I don't think I do.

, and know where I can buy some of
these?

Googling on split key ring bulk gave a bunch of things including:
http://www.amazon.com/36pc-Locksmith.../dp/B003675R7K
but I don't think one can tell if they are what you want. You could
write the vendor. Write via ebay so your questoins and answers are
recorded there.

Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket.

What?

It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

Is this a troll? If yours is sprung, get another one for 5 cents or a
quarter. The new ones aren't sprung. (Unless you shop at a specialty
store for spring rings.) It doesn't have to be triple. The ones they
sell everywhere and often give away for free are fine.

nate

On Feb 7, 6:22*am, N8N wrote:
Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. *Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. *However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. *It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. *The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? *Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. *It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. *I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

I didnt read your post super carefully (not enough "white
space".....I've got more than a bit of 'ADD')

take a look at these
McMaster.com

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

cheers
Bob

On Feb 7, 11:29*am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Feb 7, 6:22*am, N8N wrote:





Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. *Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. *However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. *It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. *The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? *Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. *It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. *I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

I didnt read your post super carefully (not enough "white
space".....I've got more than a bit of 'ADD')

take a look at these
McMaster.com

86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH *how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

In article
,
N8N wrote:



I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?

On Feb 7, 12:12*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,

*N8N wrote:

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?

Actually I have, at the one near my house, all they have are the kind
I don't like. Same with the hardware store down the street.

nate

Smitty Two wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
N8N wrote:



I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?


go to WalMart or Home Depot and look around where they make the KEYS.
Yikes!

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Feb 7, 1:43*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Smitty Two wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
*N8N wrote:

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

nate

You haven't actually gone to the locksmith and asked them, have you?

go to WalMart or Home Depot and look around where they make the KEYS.
Yikes!

You know how I know you didn't read my post?

yikes yourself.

nate

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:


86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH *how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

nate

On Feb 7, 1:41*pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:







86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

nate

Try a marine store. They have such rings in various sizes to secure pins.
As a bonus the material will probably be highly corrosion resistant.

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:57:45 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Feb 7, 1:41*pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:







86805T39
Zinc-Plated Steel Split Ring, 1.159" ID
In stock at $8.61 per Pack
This product is sold in Packs of 25

the pic shows the kind I don't like, the heavier gauge wire with only
2 turns, that tend to get "sprung" easily

OTOH how about a spare for the mechanic?

might just have to ask him next time I take car in, but the ones they
use are pretty small in diameter unlike a "normal" key ring of 1" or
1.25" or so

I know they exist as I have *one* but it came with car

So buy another car.

I've been using the ones you don't like for 50 years and I've never
had one come close to springing. Just stop putting big coins with
holes in the middle on them and use them for keys only.

Some of my keys are similarly large, is the problem. I can't stop
carrying those. For some reason auto mfgrs. in particular seem to
like to make keys have goofy big plastic heads with the holes in them
far away from the edge of the key.

I have a car too, with a big key.

Have you actually sprung a second key ring, or do they just look like
the one that broke? If so, buy a third one somewhere else and it
maybe be different.

Drill another hole closer to the edge. Make sure you won't hit an
electronic chip.

nate

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"

G. Morgan wrote in
:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"


or is he referring to the key FOB,that has a coded chip?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jim Yanik wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"


or is he referring to the key FOB,that has a coded chip?

Hell if I know. At first I thought he wanted a pull-apart valet
style for the mechanic. Now I re-read it an I think he just wants
really strong springs.

Like some of these:
http://www.firemountaingems.com/deta...p?PN=H202304FN

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:55:15 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:


Hell if I know. At first I thought he wanted a pull-apart valet
style for the mechanic. Now I re-read it an I think he just wants
really strong springs.

Like some of these:
http://www.firemountaingems.com/deta...p?PN=H202304FN

Except he wants one with triple, instead of a double rings. I think.

Try a Cop Shop or LEO suppliers. Might even call his local prison and
speak with the locksmith/security officer...

I've only seen triple rings, usually in small sizes?

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:19:04 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.

Metspitzer wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:19:04 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

N8N wrote:

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.

Use a yellow or orange zip tie.

Many adults carry two or more rings of keys. Pants
pockets, coat pockets, wallets often have key
hiders, coat pockets, etc.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Metspitzer" wrote in message
...


Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home
only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I
bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to
split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the
mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:55:55 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Many adults carry two or more rings of keys. Pants
pockets, coat pockets, wallets often have key
hiders, coat pockets, etc.

Most likely so the children don't escape.

The crazy aunt in the attic?

Metspitzer wrote in
:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:19:04 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

N8N wrote:


was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...


Try Google "valet keychain"

I have left my car with the mechanic before and got home only to find
I had left my house key on the key ring with my car keys. I bought
one of those valet key chains. It makes it very easy to split the
keys. Unfortunately it doesn't make your memory any better.

After the second time leaving my house key with the mechanic, I just
hid a spare key at the house.



what's to worry is that the mechanic could make a copy of your house
key,and use it later to burgle your home.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Feb 7, 8:22*am, N8N wrote:
Hello all...

was frustrated recently by a key ring and realized that I'd been
meaning to ask for a while where one should buy them. *Of course, the
obvious answer would be "a hardware store" or "a locksmith's shop" but
let me explain...

Every key ring that I have seen offered for sale is pretty much the
same, it's a ring (actually a double ring) of spring steel that you
put your keys on. *However, when I drop my car off at a mechanic's and
they put one of those little tags on my key ring, the ring that they
use to hold the tag is infinitely better. *It's a triple loop of much
smaller spring steel, thus making it easier to get my keys on/off the
ring if I have to, and more importantly, if I have a very large key
that requires that the key ring be sprung open wider than normal (such
as a car key,) it still springs back to normal. *The key and the
remote for my company car are also held together by such a ring.
However I have never seen this kind of ring offered for sale, but I'd
gladly buy 10 or 20 of them if I had.

Anyone know what I'm talking about, and know where I can buy some of
these? *Currently I have one key ring that I have to periodically wrap
with scotch tape so keys don't fall off in my pocket. *It got "sprung"
when I put a 50 yen piece on it (the 5 yen and 50 yen coins have holes
in the middle) for decoration, I know, dumb idea in retrospect. *I'm
sure one of the other kind would have been fine however.

nate

Available from office product firms that specialize in supplying auto
dealerships and repair shops. Google it for names and addresses.

Joe

I haven't used a metal key ring for decades. I cut off a few inches
from a leather shoelace, string my keys on it, match the ends and tie
a single knot. I've found it a great deal more reliable than any key
ring or chain. Lasts several years, then I cut a few more inches off
the shoelace. I think the leather shoelaces I bought in 1973 are
almost used up and I'm gonna have to buy a new pair, dang it.

Only downside is that taking a key off (for example for a mechanic) is
a pain, because the knot gets pretty tight after a while. If I had to
do that daily, I would not like my solution. In fact I probably do it
half a dozen times a year, which I can manage.

Edward