Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has
any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It
has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?

On 12/5/2010 7:55 PM Tony Miklos spake thus:

Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has
any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It
has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?

I completely missed that. But there it is, in all its cast-iron glory.

Heh; looks like the copy of a Jotul I bought many years ago for my house
in Flagstaff. Some Taiwanese/Japanese copy (this was the late
19-ought-80s, before the influx of Chinese goods). Relatively well-made.

Haven't seen this one, but at a guess: no firebrick, probably not
airtight, but still very usable. (So long as the smoke port is
relatively airtight, no problemo anyhow.)

I'd buy it.


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Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it
has any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want
firebrick. It has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves...
doesn't it?

It doesn't appear to be EPA rated, since they can't sell it here and elsewhere,
which means it probably is less efficient and smokes more than rated ones.

On Dec 5, 10:55*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. *Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? *How are they for a garage? *It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. *I don't know if it has
any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. *It
has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?

THEY ARE GOOD, MY BROTHER IN PATMOS HAS ONE. MAKE SURE YOU INSTALL A
GOOD VENT TO THE EXTERIOR SO AS TO AVOID ANY SMOKE EXITING INTO YOUR
GARAGE WORK AREA, OR JUST GET A GOOD ELECTRIC SPACE HEATER THST FITS
YOUR NEEDS AND AVOID THIS HYPE ALTOGETHER

DAVID NEBUCADNEZAR WAS THE EGREGIOUS PLUG-IN NECESSARY? FREAK!

PATECUM

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it
has any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want
firebrick. It has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves...
doesn't it?

It doesn't appear to be EPA rated, since they can't sell it here and
elsewhere, which means it probably is less efficient and smokes more than
rated ones.

You get what you pay for. I'd pay a little more, and get a better one, a
safer one, maybe even an old used one. Buy a good one, try to get a deal in
today's market, and don't be buying one a year from now because the HF POS
isn't what you need and you just wasted that money.

If you weld, build one. If you don't weld, maybe it's time you learn.

What I'd do.

Steve B wrote:
"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be
running all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in
the garage. It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I
don't know if it has any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I
don't want firebrick. It has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum
stoves... doesn't it?

It doesn't appear to be EPA rated, since they can't sell it here and
elsewhere, which means it probably is less efficient and smokes more
than rated ones.

You get what you pay for. I'd pay a little more, and get a better
one, a safer one, maybe even an old used one. Buy a good one, try to
get a deal in today's market, and don't be buying one a year from now
because the HF POS isn't what you need and you just wasted that money.

If you weld, build one. If you don't weld, maybe it's time you learn.

What I'd do.

I got my EPA rated insert a few years ago for $300 including almost all the
stainless stove pipe I needed to run up my chimney, by posting a wanted on
freecycle. I had to replace 3 air tubes at the top for just over $30. It's been
doing most of my heating since I installed it, and if carefully used, hardly
ever smokes for more than a few minutes.

Tony Miklos wrote:

Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has
any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It
has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?

Not necessarily. A 55 gal drum might fail in a few months- but
you'll see it coming. [and I've seen some that aren't abused lasting
years and years]

Cast can fail rather dramatically & with no warning. While you're in
the kitchen pouring a hot cup of coffee, giving the fire in your
garage a while to get going, the *fire* in your garage can be getting
going.

I haven't looked at these stoves & am overall a supporter of HF
quality when it is suitable. . . but a wood stove probably surpasses
my risk/reward boundaries.

I'd look on Craigslist for something slightly used. [and BTW-- if
you're buying wood- forget it. Wood is the least efficient, most
dangerous way to heat your garage. Even LP is cheaper if you're
buying it. That's why there are lots of woodstoves on Craigslist]

Jim

"Steve B" wrote in message
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"Bob F" wrote in message
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Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it
has any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want
firebrick. It has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves...
doesn't it?

It doesn't appear to be EPA rated, since they can't sell it here and
elsewhere, which means it probably is less efficient and smokes more than
rated ones.

You get what you pay for. I'd pay a little more, and get a better one, a
safer one, maybe even an old used one. Buy a good one, try to get a deal
in today's market, and don't be buying one a year from now because the HF
POS isn't what you need and you just wasted that money.

If you weld, build one. If you don't weld, maybe it's time you learn.

What I'd do.

Can I change my vote? Every time I go to Costco, and walk under those gas
heaters they have hanging from the ceiling, I think, "I want one of those."
Heating in a shop is a very spotty thing. From my experience, shops vary
wildly in their design, and efficiency of heating and cooling just because
of a lot of empty space. Unless you have rooms that can be closed off and
the heat kept in, one is spending a lot of time contributing to global
warming by trying to heat the out of doors. If there's a roll up, or people
going in and out a lot, forget it. Wood stoves are acceptable, but most
shops I have seen don't have the extra square footage all around the stove
to safely operate it, and then there's the tending of it and bringing in all
the wood. And sometimes the best thing is just to heat small areas or wear
warmer clothes.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote:
-snip-

Can I change my vote? Every time I go to Costco, and walk under those gas
heaters they have hanging from the ceiling, I think, "I want one of those."
Heating in a shop is a very spotty thing. From my experience, shops vary
wildly in their design, and efficiency of heating and cooling just because
of a lot of empty space.
-snip-

Agree. I have one of those little "mr Heater" LP gas, radiant heaters.
2 burners that go on top of a 20lb propane tank. [about $100 on
amazon] It tosses off a lot of heat- right away- and is *off* when I
leave the shop.

I learned the hard way that it heats *things* before the air. I had a
crescent wrench in the back pocket of my coveralls- facing the little
heater. The end of the wrench was soaking up heat for 20 minutes or
so - and then I grabbed it and it discharged a lot of that heat into
my cold hand. Ouch!

For about $300 you can get a 25k btu one that goes overhead and uses a
100 gallon propane tank.

Jim

"Tony Miklos" wrote in message
...
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running all
the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage. It's
cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has any
firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It has to
be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?



Before the "greenie" weenies there were a lot of stoves that were not fire
brick lined and none of them were EPA certified. When I was a teen we used
an unlined four burner flat top, laundry stove was what I heard it called,
to heat an old kitchen. The darn thing could not hold a fire overnight, you
don't want that anyway, but once stoked in the morning things got cozy warm
fast.

After an in store look to make sure the joints fit well especially around
the smokestack, I would not hesitate to buy one of these for a garage or
workshop.

For your safety, do follow modern safety standards for your heat shielding
at the wall and floor.


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On 12/6/2010 7:36 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Tony wrote:

Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running
all the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage.
It's cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has
any firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It
has to be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?

Not necessarily. A 55 gal drum might fail in a few months- but
you'll see it coming. [and I've seen some that aren't abused lasting
years and years]

Cast can fail rather dramatically& with no warning. While you're in
the kitchen pouring a hot cup of coffee, giving the fire in your
garage a while to get going, the *fire* in your garage can be getting
going.

I haven't looked at these stoves& am overall a supporter of HF
quality when it is suitable. . . but a wood stove probably surpasses
my risk/reward boundaries.

I'd look on Craigslist for something slightly used. [and BTW-- if
you're buying wood- forget it. Wood is the least efficient, most
dangerous way to heat your garage. Even LP is cheaper if you're
buying it. That's why there are lots of woodstoves on Craigslist]

I have a portable job site type propane heater (bullet, 'jet engine
type)and 2 100 gallon tanks that I can take to get filled. LPG costs
almost as much as electric here. I wouldn't be buying any wood, I have
a few acres of woods.

On 12/6/2010 4:29 PM, Colbyt wrote:
"Tony wrote in message
...
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running all
the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage. It's
cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has any
firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It has to
be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?



Before the "greenie" weenies there were a lot of stoves that were not fire
brick lined and none of them were EPA certified. When I was a teen we used
an unlined four burner flat top, laundry stove was what I heard it called,
to heat an old kitchen. The darn thing could not hold a fire overnight, you
don't want that anyway, but once stoked in the morning things got cozy warm
fast.

Fast is the key word. I would keep the fires fairly small as to not
overheat it and warp it. I seldom work out there for more than 3 to 5
hours, and a great high quality wood stove with firebrick takes 2 or 3
hours until it really starts cooking. That would be great if I wanted
the heat the garage/shop everyday, all day. But I don't, so when I do
want it, I want it fast.


After an in store look to make sure the joints fit well especially around
the smokestack, I would not hesitate to buy one of these for a garage or
workshop.

For your safety, do follow modern safety standards for your heat shielding
at the wall and floor.

"Tony Miklos" wrote in message
...
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running all
the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage. It's
cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has any
firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It has to
be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?



I don't know anything about their stoves, but if they are built like most of
their tools I would not buy one. Just would not seem safe enough for me to
use, especially if I had to leave it.

I do have a wood stove in my basement that seems well built and I don't have
any problem leaving it going while I am upstairs. There is nothing next to
it that can over heat and burn..
Cement floor and the wall behind it is block. Over 5 feet to the nearest
thing that could burn.
I don't burn it very much but have it incase the power goes out. Hard to
run a heat pump with a 5 KW generator. I may burn a cord of wood each year.
Usually much less.
As I live about the middle of North Carolina it does not usually get below
25 deg F for very long at a time. I did fire it up this afternoon as I was
off work today and tomorrow and plan in being in the basement some. It is
suspose to get below 20 deg tonigh.

"Steve B" wrote:

If you weld, build one. If you don't weld, maybe it's time you learn.

Any blueprints for a safe, efficient wood-burning stove out there?

On 12/5/2010 10:55 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running all
the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage. It's
cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has any
firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It has to
be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?

No experience with the Vogelzang boxwood but with the Vogelzang
barrel conversion. Not great quality, impossible to make air tight.

Had a friend that loaded one up in a very drafty uninsulated "house". A
wind blew up outside and although he had it choked down it ran cherry
hot and he had to open all the windows! And it was cold out there!

You may wish to look at some of the better quality 30 gallon barrel
conversions. 55 is too big. You may be able to find stainless drums surplus.

Jeff

On 12/5/2010 10:55 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Third page of the first flyer. Anyone have one of these Vogelzang
"boxwood" stoves? How are they for a garage? It wouldn't be running all
the time, just when I expect to spend a lot of time in the garage. It's
cast iron, but thin enough to get hot fast. I don't know if it has any
firebrick or not, which for quick heat I don't want firebrick. It has to
be safer than the 55 gallon drum stoves... doesn't it?


Mad Houser Wood Stove:

http://smartech.gatech.edu/bitstream...pdf?sequence=1

Not seen one but have heard of them. It is the standard heating
source of the Mad Houser project. Looks iffy to me but are apparently
safe enough to be tended by drunken derelicts. Go figure...

Jeff