I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:

I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

What kind of ignition?

A cracked coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way.

When the coil heats, the cracks expands

What type ignition?

Oren wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:

I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

What kind of ignition?

A cracked coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way.

When the coil heats, the cracks expands

What type ignition?


Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.

While the mower is on the "hot shut down" unscrew the spark plug, lay
it on the frame, reconnect the wire. Put the whole thing in the shade
so you can see, and yank the starter. Look for spark. If you get
spark, think other than ignition. Please let us know what you find.

It's a long shot. But I've known of mowers that needed an oil change
to behave similar. I like Castrol, which has worked well for me.

--
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.

Could also be valve clearance problems.

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"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

On Jun 23, 8:21*pm, John Smith wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:

I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

What kind of ignition?

A cracked *coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way.

When the coil heats, the cracks expands

What type ignition?

Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It still has a coil. You need to take the plug out and see if ithas
spark once you get it hot. Basically 98% of the problems wiht these
small engines are fuel or ignition. Check for spark to eliminate or
confirm the ignition.

John Smith wrote:

I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

Are you sure there is gas flow to the carb? A clog in the filter screen at
the bottom of the tank (or in the hose) could cause this since eventually
enough gas would get through to fill the float or diaphragm chamber of the
carb so the engine starts and runs normally but quickly dies and won't
restart. An hour later enough has seeped through to let it start again.

John Smith wrote the following:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.


You didn't mention checking the oil.
Did you?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Jun 23, 9:48*pm, willshak wrote:
John Smith wrote the following:

I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

You didn't mention checking the oil.
Did you?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

wierdly my mower with briggs engine has the exact same prolem and the
local repair shop is flooded with broken mowers

On Jun 23, 5:30*pm, John Smith wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark. What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking for
spark rule out ingition.

John Smith wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

I would have thought the spark plug. You got 2 bad plugs and keep
swapping them? I've seen it happen.

--
LSMFT

I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months.
I don't like to interrupt her.

John Smith wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

Cheap check. Does it run okay with the gas cap removed?

As the gas is consumed, more is required. If the gas cap does not have an
adequent vent, the resulting vacuum prevents additional gas from being
consumed.

Or it could be a malevolent foreign god.

Hmm. Spray some ether into the carb, then pull the plug and give er a
big yank. I sense an ether explosion about to occur. Like the old
limerick "and lightning shot....."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"ransley" wrote in message
...

When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark. What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking for
spark rule out ingition.

I'm nominating this one for an award. Spray ether into the carb, pull
the plug, and yank the cord. This could be confused with a solar
flare, or GI flame thrower, having burned down four or five houses.
What a maroon.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"ransley" wrote in message
...

When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark. What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking for
spark rule out ingition.

Champion had a bunch of bad CJ-8, years ago. Try different brand.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"LSMFT" wrote in message
...

I would have thought the spark plug. You got 2 bad plugs and keep
swapping them? I've seen it happen.

--
LSMFT

I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months.
I don't like to interrupt her.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

John Smith wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

Cheap check. Does it run okay with the gas cap removed?


I guess you missed the sentence that says "I tried running the engine
with the gas tank cap off."

On Jun 23, 6:30*pm, John Smith wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

Gas or Spark problem, I'd dribble a little gas into the throat of the
carb and try to start it. If it starts and runs a little its a fuel
problem, no start its a spark problem.

Jimmie

jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:21 pm, John Smith wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.
I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.
What could be the problem? Thanks.
What kind of ignition?
A cracked coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way.
When the coil heats, the cracks expands
What type ignition?
Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It still has a coil. You need to take the plug out and see if ithas
spark once you get it hot. Basically 98% of the problems wiht these
small engines are fuel or ignition. Check for spark to eliminate or
confirm the ignition.

I checked it. No sparks. I think I can rule out carburetor and gas
tank vent now. What next? Replacing the ignition module?

Steve Kraus wrote:
John Smith wrote:

I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

Are you sure there is gas flow to the carb? A clog in the filter screen at
the bottom of the tank (or in the hose) could cause this since eventually
enough gas would get through to fill the float or diaphragm chamber of the
carb so the engine starts and runs normally but quickly dies and won't
restart. An hour later enough has seeped through to let it start again.


Yes. I'm sure there is gas going into the carburetor. When I
removed the carburetor and disconnected the tube going from the
gas tank to the carb, gas gushed out of the tube. And when the
mower "hot stopped", I immediately removed the bottom screw from
the carb bowl, gas ran out of the bowl.

willshak wrote:
John Smith wrote the following:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.


You didn't mention checking the oil.
Did you?


Actually, I changed the oil along with air filter and spark plug.

--- just mow really really fast!

On Jun 24, 11:39*am, John Smith wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:21 pm, John Smith wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.
I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.
What could be the problem? Thanks.
What kind of ignition?
A cracked *coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way..
When the coil heats, the cracks expands
What type ignition?
Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It still has a coil. *You need to take the plug out and see if ithas
spark once you get it hot. *Basically 98% of the problems wiht these
small engines are fuel or ignition. *Check for spark to eliminate or
confirm the ignition.

I checked it. No sparks. I think I can rule out carburetor and gas
tank vent now. What next? Replacing the ignition module?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think that more often heat related is the coil. Most of mine simply
have a coil and a wire to the plug. I'm thinking form your posts you
have a coil and some sort of ignition module. If you've got a can of
car refrigerant handy you can ice down the suspect parts individually
and see if that fixes it.

On Jun 24, 11:39*am, John Smith wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:21 pm, John Smith wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.
I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.
What could be the problem? Thanks.
What kind of ignition?
A cracked *coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way..
When the coil heats, the cracks expands
What type ignition?
Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It still has a coil. *You need to take the plug out and see if ithas
spark once you get it hot. *Basically 98% of the problems wiht these
small engines are fuel or ignition. *Check for spark to eliminate or
confirm the ignition.

I checked it. No sparks. I think I can rule out carburetor and gas
tank vent now. What next? Replacing the ignition module?

Check the kill switch, not sure what it is like on that mower.

Jimmie

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:39:42 -0400, John Smith
wrote:

I checked it. No sparks. I think I can rule out carburetor and gas
tank vent now. What next? Replacing the ignition module?

First check that the plug wire is not cracked/split and also check the
terminal too ensure it fits snug on the spark plug. Clean the
terminal.

The ignition module could have corrosion that can be cleaned with some
sand paper. Sometimes you cannot see tiny cracks in a coil, that
expand from heat. The module could have even slipped a bit -- if so
adjust and tighten.

Your ignition pic:

http://im2.ebidst.com/upload_big/3/6...54-17237-0.jpg

I had an old Chevy clunker years ago. It ran great when it wasn't
raining. I opened the hood once at night after driving through a rain
storm. Split/cracked plug wires, etc. It looked like a lightening
storm under the hood...

On Jun 24, 7:42*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I'm nominating this one for an award. Spray ether into the carb, pull
the plug, and yank the cord. This could be confused with a solar
flare, or GI flame thrower, having burned down four or five houses.
What a maroon.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"ransley" wrote in message

...

When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark. What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking for
spark rule out ingition.

You just dont get it do you, ok I will expain it for you since you
cant figure this basic one out and you ruined a motor with Either,
Test first with Either by spraying just a shot into the carb, if it
doesnt start test for spark by removing the plug, reinsert it back
into the socket, ground the plug on the head. While someone else pulls
the starter cord, check strength and color of spark. Now stormin, do
you get it. Its not at that difficult but I made it easy so you dont
blow up another motor. Since this is basic kids stuff I forget to be
complete for the less understanding, now dont tell us, do you need the
saftey warnings also on all the dangers, geeze wake up stormin.

On Jun 24, 10:39*am, John Smith wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jun 23, 8:21 pm, John Smith wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:30:40 -0400, John Smith
wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.
I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.
What could be the problem? Thanks.
What kind of ignition?
A cracked *coil, allowing moisture into the coil would act this way..
When the coil heats, the cracks expands
What type ignition?
Thanks for the quick response. The mower has a Tecumseh
OVRM120-22032E engine. I looked it up and found that it has a
solid state ignition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It still has a coil. *You need to take the plug out and see if ithas
spark once you get it hot. *Basically 98% of the problems wiht these
small engines are fuel or ignition. *Check for spark to eliminate or
confirm the ignition.

I checked it. No sparks. I think I can rule out carburetor and gas
tank vent now. What next? Replacing the ignition module?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If youve hit any rocks or stalled the motor by the blade hitting
anything the flywheel key could be bent or sheared, that alters timing
and can make it run like crap but electronics would be a first bet,
even a bad plug or wire might go off when hot. But ive usualy ended up
with the coil or module being the failed part

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:24:38 -0700 (PDT), ransley
wrote:

On Jun 23, 5:30*pm, John Smith wrote:
I have a Scotts Turf Vac3 mower. A while ago, I noticed that
occasionally it wouldn't start when hot. Now, the problem is very
severe. When I start the engine the first time (when the engine is
cold), no problems. But the engine would run for only a couple of
minutes. Then, it'd quit. Once it quits, I can't start it again. I
need to wait for an hour before it'd start again. But once it
starts, it'd run for a couple of minutes and quit. And the waiting
game begins.

I changed the filter and the spark plug to no avail. I tried
running the engine with the gas tank cap off. No use. I cleaned
the carburetor. Nothing changed.

What could be the problem? Thanks.

When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark.

This is okay for a lawnmower, but be careful with something bigger,
like a 1970 Ford LTD convertible with V-8 engine.

I was in a small garage if that matters. I sprayed in starter fluid,
then took off a plug wire to check for spark and the whole thing
exploded in my face.

Fortunately, I didn't flinch or the edge of the hood would have cut
deeply into the back of my neck, or the hood itself would have banged
my head.

But when I looked at the valve cover near me it was ripped up from 4
of the bolts, spread around the circumference -- the holes were either
elongated or the outer edge of the hole was broken off -- and between
the good bolt holes, the rim was lifted in about 3 places. I had
totally ruined the valve cover and they don't sell them at autoparts
stores**. Nor are their junkyards in Brooklyn.

**So I had to go to a speed shop and by a set of chrome valve covers.
I only put on one, but my brother never complained.

I guess I'm lucky it didn't also blow apart the carburetor, manifold
and cylinders, and how the spark or flame got under the valve cover, I
do not know.

What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking for
spark rule out ingition.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 01:36:52 +0000 (UTC), Chief Two Eagles
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 20:50:53 -0400, mm wrote:

I guess I'm lucky it didn't also blow apart the carburetor, manifold and
cylinders, and how the spark or flame got under the valve cover, I do
not know.

Leaky valve stem seals could allow vapor in that area.

Tbat makes sense. I guess the valve cover was the only place it
accumulated, and the carb throat, manifold, and cylinders were cleared
by normal engine operation??

I was trying to start my brother's car, which was broken he had told
me, while he was out of town. I don't remember if or how I actually
started it.

Works, for me.

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"John Smith" wrote in message
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It still has a coil. You need to take the plug out and see if ithas
spark once you get it hot. Basically 98% of the problems wiht these
small engines are fuel or ignition. Check for spark to eliminate or
confirm the ignition.

I checked it. No sparks. I think I can rule out carburetor and gas
tank vent now. What next? Replacing the ignition module?

He said no spark, which suggests a bad coil. Or, stop wire shorted to
ground.

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"Chief Two Eagles" wrote in message
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Magneto and/or points. Earlier magnetos still had points but on a new
mower motor I think the position of the flywheel provides spark timing
alone.

Anyone know the penalty for releasing freon?

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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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I think that more often heat related is the coil. Most of mine simply
have a coil and a wire to the plug. I'm thinking form your posts you
have a coil and some sort of ignition module. If you've got a can of
car refrigerant handy you can ice down the suspect parts individually
and see if that fixes it.

The maroon now changes his instructions. Having been caught giving
dangerous instructions.

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"ransley" wrote in message
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On Jun 24, 7:42 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I'm nominating this one for an award. Spray ether into the carb,
pull
the plug, and yank the cord. This could be confused with a solar
flare, or GI flame thrower, having burned down four or five houses.
What a maroon.

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"ransley" wrote in message

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When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark. What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont
start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking
for
spark rule out ingition.

You just dont get it do you, ok I will expain it for you since you
cant figure this basic one out and you ruined a motor with Either,
Test first with Either by spraying just a shot into the carb, if it
doesnt start test for spark by removing the plug, reinsert it back
into the socket, ground the plug on the head. While someone else pulls
the starter cord, check strength and color of spark. Now stormin, do
you get it. Its not at that difficult but I made it easy so you dont
blow up another motor. Since this is basic kids stuff I forget to be
complete for the less understanding, now dont tell us, do you need the
saftey warnings also on all the dangers, geeze wake up stormin.

On Jun 25, 6:39*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
The maroon now changes his instructions. Having been caught giving
dangerous instructions.

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"ransley" wrote in message

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On Jun 24, 7:42 am, "Stormin Mormon"





wrote:
I'm nominating this one for an award. Spray ether into the carb,
pull
the plug, and yank the cord. This could be confused with a solar
flare, or GI flame thrower, having burned down four or five houses.
What a maroon.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"ransley" wrote in message

....

When it wont start spray in some starting fluid, and remove the plug
and check for spark. What you describe is what has happened to me
several times and it was the ignition module, eventualy it wont
start
at all. it could also be the coil but starting fluid and checking
for
spark rule out ingition.

You just dont get it do you, ok I will expain it for you since you
cant figure this basic one out and you ruined a motor with Either,
Test first with Either by spraying just a shot into the carb, if it
doesnt start test for spark by removing the plug, reinsert it back
into the socket, ground the plug on the head. While someone else pulls
the starter cord, check strength and color of spark. Now stormin, do
you get it. Its not at that difficult but I made it easy so you dont
blow up another motor. Since this is basic kids stuff I forget to be
complete for the less understanding, now dont tell us, do you need the
saftey warnings also on all the dangers, geeze wake up stormin.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I guess I should have made it clear for Are You Smarter Than A 4th
Grader Stormin, I will do better next time kid. BTW Maroon was
reserved for you years ago for good reason. And just when I thought
being nice was correct, so that will change.