Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add a
couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one. Seemed
simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple job
there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on using
the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was what
parts were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A better set
of installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there
and opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he
didn't seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I
ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I
bought to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add a
couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one. Seemed
simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple job
there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on using
the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was what parts
were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A better set of
installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there and
opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he didn't
seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended
up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to
cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that would
make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

I share your pain. I would rather run wiring in steel tubing, but there are
occasions when tubing is just too industrial looking, so WM is the lesser of
the evils. If you really want to bitch, try hanging a few Italian lighting
fixtures

On 1/22/2009 1:00 PM RBM spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...

Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy
with the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various
parts--between channel and elbows, and in the elbows
themselves--don't look all the pretty or finished. Which is
probably inevitable when you install the stuff in an old house that
has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended up using some of
the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to cover the
worst of the openings.

I share your pain. I would rather run wiring in steel tubing, but there are
occasions when tubing is just too industrial looking, so WM is the lesser of
the evils. If you really want to bitch, try hanging a few Italian lighting
fixtures

Don't get me wrong; my overall take is that it's a pretty good system,
well thought-out, modular and adaptable. Just needs a little tweaking in
both the appearance and documentation departments.

Conduit (EMT) would have been totally unacceptable in this situation.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

On Jan 22, 3:29*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add a
couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one. Seemed
simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple job
there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on using
the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was what
parts were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A better set
of installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there
and opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he
didn't seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I
ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I
bought to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer..

--
* "I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

Where did you buy your WireMold supplies?

I went to the orange borg to see what they had. Limited supply of
parts, mostly white, although I think I could complete my small
project with what they had *if* I wanted white. Since I want beige, I
was out of luck. Very limited supply, haphazard assortment, shelf
labels (or lack thereof) seem to indicate that they don't even carry
many of the parts in beige that they carry in white.

Tried the blue borg.

They don't carry WireMold, they carry a similiar product called
CableHider. Unfortunately, their selection (in both white and beige)
was even more limited than the orange borg.

"RBM" wrote in message
...

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add a
couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one. Seemed
simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple job
there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on using
the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was what
parts were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A better set of
installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there and
opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he didn't
seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I
ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought
to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a
first-timer.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

I share your pain. I would rather run wiring in steel tubing, but there
are occasions when tubing is just too industrial looking, so WM is the
lesser of the evils. If you really want to bitch, try hanging a few
Italian lighting fixtures


*LOL I can relate Roy. When someone calls me and asks how much to hang a
light fixture I have to ask if it is from Italy. Those things just don't
have any standard way of mounting. I would rather install Wiremold instead
of Italian light fixtures.

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add a
couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one. Seemed
simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple job
there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on using
the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was what parts
were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A better set of
installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there and
opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he didn't
seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended
up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to
cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that would
make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.


*What Wiremold line did you use? The 500 and 700 lines seem pretty cut and
dry and the catalog has some details for installation.

On 1/22/2009 1:59 PM DerbyDad03 spake thus:

On Jan 22, 3:29 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

[snip]

Where did you buy your WireMold supplies?

The orange Borg.

I went to the orange borg to see what they had. Limited supply of
parts, mostly white, although I think I could complete my small
project with what they had *if* I wanted white. Since I want beige, I
was out of luck. Very limited supply, haphazard assortment, shelf
labels (or lack thereof) seem to indicate that they don't even carry
many of the parts in beige that they carry in white.

I had exactly the same problem. They had the "channel" in both white and
ivory, but the only "starter box" I found was white. (It turns out you
don't need this anyhow; just use the box meant to go over a box.)

I ended up getting all the stuff in ivory, but it took some hunting.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

On 1/22/2009 2:04 PM spake thus:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:29:59 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I
ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I
bought to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.

There are NOT supposed to be open seams. The elbows and other parts
snap OVER the channel at the ends. Whether they cover 1/4" or more
dont matter, but they are not butt against the end, they snap over it.
You did not do it right if there are open seams. Wiremold is easy to
install. Not as easy as just plain romex, but easier than conduit,
because you dont have to bend it.

I was wondering about that. The little diagrams on the product were very
unclear on this point. And the person I talked to said that the channel
should be cut flush with the ends of elbows, contradicting what you
said. Plus from the looks of it, the elbow covers were almost the same
size as the channel, which made it seem impossible to make them go over
it, rather than butt up against it.

Next time I'll try it your way.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

On 1/22/2009 2:19 PM John Grabowski spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended
up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to
cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that would
make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.

*What Wiremold line did you use? The 500 and 700 lines seem pretty cut and
dry and the catalog has some details for installation.

The 500 line. Hard to determine from the packages, though, which don't
have that information on them.

Is this the "catalog" you're referring to?
http://openpub.realread.com/rrserver...uct_Guide_1280

If so, it requires a plugin I don't have (RealRead), so it may be a
while before I get to read it.

Do they have a printed catalog? (Heavens, how old-school! But I have the
Simpson catalog in paper, which has a wealth of information.)


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

On Jan 22, 5:37*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/22/2009 2:19 PM John Grabowski spake thus:







"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
rs.com...

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended
up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to
cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that would
make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.

*What Wiremold line did you use? The 500 and 700 lines seem pretty cut and
dry and the catalog has some details for installation.

The 500 line. Hard to determine from the packages, though, which don't
have that information on them.

Is this the "catalog" you're referring to?http://openpub.realread.com/rrserver...emold/WM_Produ...

If so, it requires a plugin I don't have (RealRead), so it may be a
while before I get to read it.

Do they have a printed catalog? (Heavens, how old-school! But I have the
Simpson catalog in paper, which has a wealth of information.)

--
* "I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It looks like you can order a printed version or CD version he

http://www.wiremold.com/publigen/support/buyerGuide.asp

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
On 1/22/2009 2:19 PM John Grabowski spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I
ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I
bought to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a
first-timer.

*What Wiremold line did you use? The 500 and 700 lines seem pretty cut
and dry and the catalog has some details for installation.

The 500 line. Hard to determine from the packages, though, which don't
have that information on them.

Is this the "catalog" you're referring to?
http://openpub.realread.com/rrserver...uct_Guide_1280

If so, it requires a plugin I don't have (RealRead), so it may be a while
before I get to read it.

Do they have a printed catalog? (Heavens, how old-school! But I have the
Simpson catalog in paper, which has a wealth of information.)



*I have one of those old fashion paper catalogs. I assume that they are
still available because the supply house has them. For future reference you
can go to an electrical supply company and ask to see their Wiremold
catalog. Ask if they have any catalogs to give out. Some supply companies
have racks or shelves filled with all types of catalogs. Help yourself. You
distinguish the lines by the part numbers. If it is three digit number
beginning with a 5 or a 7 then the part is either for the 500 or 700 line.
If it is a four digit number beginning with 57 then the part is good for
both lines. As I mentioned in another thread the electrical supply industry
works on part numbers. You can communicate much better to a counterman at a
supply company if you have a part number.

On 1/22/2009 3:14 PM DerbyDad03 spake thus:

On Jan 22, 5:37 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Do they have a printed catalog? (Heavens, how old-school! But I have the
Simpson catalog in paper, which has a wealth of information.)

It looks like you can order a printed version or CD version he

http://www.wiremold.com/publigen/support/buyerGuide.asp

You can, and I did. I can hear the presses rolling as I write.

Thanks.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add a
couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one. Seemed
simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple job
there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on using
the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was what parts
were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A better set of
installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there and
opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he didn't
seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy with
the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various parts--between
channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't look all the
pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you install the
stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended
up using some of the little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to
cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to a
DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that would
make an experienced installer's work much better than a first-timer.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

They are not real common but a wiremold bender can be real helpful in making
a neat job. When properly installed there should not be any gaps visible.

Don Young

on 1/22/2009 3:29 PM (ET) David Nebenzahl wrote the following:
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add
a couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one.
Seemed simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple
job there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on
using the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was
what parts were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A
better set of installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there
and opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he
didn't seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy
with the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various
parts--between channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't
look all the pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you
install the stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet
at 90°. I ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory
pack" I bought to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to
a DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a
first-timer.



How about an instruction video. It's about installing a ceiling fan, but
the installation is basically the same.
Not the Wiremold products. The ends are butted together and a a fitting
cover installed over the joint to hide the edges. The OP probably didn't
buy the covers.
http://www.wiremold.com/diy/products...=Metal_Raceway

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

on 1/22/2009 3:29 PM (ET) David Nebenzahl wrote the following:
Just finished a small job using Wiremold and thought I'd share my
experiences with it.

The last time I used the stuff was a long time ago. I was asked to add
a couple of outlets in a bedroom in an old house that had only one.
Seemed simple enough.

Installation was easy, sort of. But even in such a relatively simple
job there are pitfalls. The main culprit here was the instructions on
using the stuff, or the lack thereof. What was especially unclear was
what parts were supposed to go over or under what other parts. A
better set of installation instructions is definitely needed here.

I ended up calling their customer service 800 number. After about a
15-minute wait, I got ahold of a real live human bean, who was able to
answer my question--but only after consulting with other people there
and opening a package of the same item I was using. In other words, he
didn't seem all that familiar with actually installing the product.

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy
with the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various
parts--between channel and elbows, and in the elbows themselves--don't
look all the pretty or finished. Which is probably inevitable when you
install the stuff in an old house that has corners that no longer meet
at 90°. I ended up using some of the little covers in the "accessory
pack" I bought to cover the worst of the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer to
a DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it that
would make an experienced installer's work much better than a
first-timer.


How about an instruction video. It's about installing a ceiling fan, but
the installation is basically the same.
http://www.wiremold.com/diy/products...=Metal_Raceway

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/22/2009 2:04 PM spake thus:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:29:59 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

So it's in, and it's working. But I can't say I'm altogether happy
with the stuff. In particular, the open seams left in various
parts--between channel and elbows, and in the elbows
themselves--don't look all the pretty or finished. Which is probably
inevitable when you install the stuff in an old house that has
corners that no longer meet at 90°. I ended up using some of the
little covers in the "accessory pack" I bought to cover the worst of
the openings.

And, like most other things, even though it seems like a no-brainer
to a DIYer for small projects, there are numerous tricks to using it
that would make an experienced installer's work much better than a
first-timer.

There are NOT supposed to be open seams. The elbows and other parts
snap OVER the channel at the ends. Whether they cover 1/4" or more
dont matter, but they are not butt against the end, they snap over it.
You did not do it right if there are open seams. Wiremold is easy to
install. Not as easy as just plain romex, but easier than conduit,
because you dont have to bend it.

I was wondering about that. The little diagrams on the product were very
unclear on this point. And the person I talked to said that the channel
should be cut flush with the ends of elbows, contradicting what you
said. Plus from the looks of it, the elbow covers were almost the same
size as the channel, which made it seem impossible to make them go over
it, rather than butt up against it.

Next time I'll try it your way.

The unpainted back of the elbow slides into the end of the channel
behind the unpainted back of the channel and in front of the painted
channel front (which bends around in back of the channel back). This
tight interconnection is done at all connections at the end of a piece
of channel and is important for grounding the Wiremold. You may have
done this but didn't slide the pieces together far enough. It should be
clear how far the pieces are intended to slide together.

The elbow cover does snap over the channel and there is overlap.

Probably commonly omitted - at the end of the channel at a box a tunnel
shaped bushing fits into the end of the channel and protects wires from
the sharp cut end of the channel. (I had trouble finding bushings at the
BORG.)

I haven't looked at the Wiremold site for a long time. Would be
surprised if there aren't instructions, but maybe not. My old paper
catalog (which others refer to) shows how to install Wiremold and the
parts that are available to make the stuff useful.

The NEC requires you to install according to Wiremold instructions
(which maybe you don't get).

--
bud--

On 1/23/2009 8:58 AM bud-- spake thus:

The unpainted back of the elbow slides into the end of the channel
behind the unpainted back of the channel and in front of the painted
channel front (which bends around in back of the channel back). This
tight interconnection is done at all connections at the end of a piece
of channel and is important for grounding the Wiremold. You may have
done this but didn't slide the pieces together far enough. It should be
clear how far the pieces are intended to slide together.

The elbow cover does snap over the channel and there is overlap.

All that makes sense now. I did everything you said except for
overlapping the channel and the elbow covers, which is a mainly cosmetic
thing. Will do it correctly the next time.

Probably commonly omitted - at the end of the channel at a box a tunnel
shaped bushing fits into the end of the channel and protects wires from
the sharp cut end of the channel. (I had trouble finding bushings at the
BORG.)

I actually was able to get those bushings, which come in the "accessory
pack" that the orange Borg had.

I haven't looked at the Wiremold site for a long time. Would be
surprised if there aren't instructions, but maybe not. My old paper
catalog (which others refer to) shows how to install Wiremold and the
parts that are available to make the stuff useful.

As someone else here pointed out, there's a page on their site where you
can order either a CD or a paper catalog. I ordered the catalog.


--
"I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

On Jan 23, 2:05*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/23/2009 8:58 AM bud-- spake thus:

The unpainted back of the elbow slides into the end of the channel
behind the unpainted back of the channel and in front of the painted
channel front (which bends around in back of the channel back). This
tight interconnection is done at all connections at the end of a piece
of channel and is important for grounding the Wiremold. You may have
done this but didn't slide the pieces together far enough. It should be
clear how far the pieces are intended to slide together.

*
* The elbow cover does snap over the channel and there is overlap.

All that makes sense now. I did everything you said except for
overlapping the channel and the elbow covers, which is a mainly cosmetic
thing. Will do it correctly the next time.

Probably commonly omitted - at the end of the channel at a box a tunnel
shaped bushing fits into the end of the channel and protects wires from
the sharp cut end of the channel. (I had trouble finding bushings at the
BORG.)

I actually was able to get those bushings, which come in the "accessory
pack" that the orange Borg had.

I haven't looked at the Wiremold site for a long time. Would be
surprised if there aren't instructions, but maybe not. My old paper
catalog (which others refer to) shows how to install Wiremold and the
parts that are available to make the stuff useful.

As someone else here pointed out, there's a page on their site where you
can order either a CD or a paper catalog. I ordered the catalog.

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* "I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

- Former President Gerald Ford to his golf partners, as related by
the late Hunter S. Thompson

"I did everything you said except for overlapping the channel and
the elbow covers, which is a mainly cosmetic thing."

It might be more than cosmetic.

Are you sure you have a continuous connection of the channel from end
to end? If you have gaps at the seams (i.e. not overlapping the
channel and elbow covers) you may not have properly grounded the
entire system.

If the elbow cover doesn't touch either of the grounded channels
(assuming they are grounded) then a hot wire touching the elbow cover
could make it hot.

On 1/23/2009 5:24 PM spake thus:

Check their website for the do it yourselfer:
http://www.wiremold.com/publigen/sup...tructions.asp#

I'm assuming you got the traditional steel type, but you can select
all their other types too,

Thanks for that link.

But there's a big problem: I have no ****ing idea what type of steel
raceway I used.

Going to that page and drilling down into the "Steel Raceway" link, one
finds the following:

1500_2600 Series
1500_2600 Series
41374.pdf
41388.pdf
41389.pdf
41390.pdf
41404R3.pdf
42428.pdf

200 Series
38114.pdf
41336.pdf
41338.pdf

2000 Series
41381.pdf
41384.pdf
41385.pdf
41918.pdf
41919.pdf
41920 R1.pdf
41921.pdf
42408R2.pdf
42409.pdf

[snip--only a small part of the list]

I saved the packaging from my parts. Here's what I see on the packages
(just the pertinent parts):

Channel package: B1 (5' metal channel, ivory); 42986 0106 (no idea what
those numbers mean); UL listing # (not relevant)

Inside elbow package: B7 (inside elbow, ivory); 39725R1 0106 (again, no
idea what those mean)

Box package: V5751 (Flush-type extension adapter, 15/16" deep; UL listing #

There are absolutely no numbers that correspond to any of the numbers in
that long list of PDFs. Nothing corresponding even to "500" or "700",
even though those numbers are shown as comparative channel profiles (the
700 is a little taller than the 500). I can surmise I used 500 because I
only clipped out the big piece in the sides of my boxes, not the extra
little piece.

Someone else posted here that it's good to have part #s when you go to
buy stuff, as it makes it easier for the people picking the stuff off
the shelves. I agree; but how in the world am I supposed to figure out
what I have when there aren't any damn numbers to go by? I can't even
figure out which PDFs to look at (and I'm not about to start going down
the list opening them, since I use dialup).

I guess I'm supposed to be telepathic or something.


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Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
On 1/23/2009 5:24 PM spake thus:

Check their website for the do it yourselfer:
http://www.wiremold.com/publigen/sup...tructions.asp#

I'm assuming you got the traditional steel type, but you can select
all their other types too,

Thanks for that link.

But there's a big problem: I have no ****ing idea what type of steel
raceway I used.

Going to that page and drilling down into the "Steel Raceway" link, one
finds the following:

1500_2600 Series
1500_2600 Series
41374.pdf
41388.pdf
41389.pdf
41390.pdf
41404R3.pdf
42428.pdf

200 Series
38114.pdf
41336.pdf
41338.pdf

2000 Series
41381.pdf
41384.pdf
41385.pdf
41918.pdf
41919.pdf
41920 R1.pdf
41921.pdf
42408R2.pdf
42409.pdf

[snip--only a small part of the list]

I saved the packaging from my parts. Here's what I see on the packages
(just the pertinent parts):

Channel package: B1 (5' metal channel, ivory); 42986 0106 (no idea what
those numbers mean); UL listing # (not relevant)

Inside elbow package: B7 (inside elbow, ivory); 39725R1 0106 (again, no
idea what those mean)

Box package: V5751 (Flush-type extension adapter, 15/16" deep; UL listing
#

There are absolutely no numbers that correspond to any of the numbers in
that long list of PDFs. Nothing corresponding even to "500" or "700", even
though those numbers are shown as comparative channel profiles (the 700 is
a little taller than the 500). I can surmise I used 500 because I only
clipped out the big piece in the sides of my boxes, not the extra little
piece.

Someone else posted here that it's good to have part #s when you go to buy
stuff, as it makes it easier for the people picking the stuff off the
shelves. I agree; but how in the world am I supposed to figure out what I
have when there aren't any damn numbers to go by? I can't even figure out
which PDFs to look at (and I'm not about to start going down the list
opening them, since I use dialup).

I guess I'm supposed to be telepathic or something.



*I clicked on some of the links for 500/700 series. The pdf numbers are
different than the actual part numbers. Maybe the numbers that are used are
for the retail outlets. When I order Wiremold I just use the part numbers,
but I buy the parts at an electrical supply and I think some of the parts
are packaged differently from those at a big box store. As I mentioned
before you can go to an electrical supply and ask to look at their Wiremold
catalog. From there you can compile your list of materials. This goes for
just about anything electrical; boxes, fittings, light bulbs, switches and
receptacles etc.

On 1/24/2009 1:58 PM John Grabowski spake thus:

*I clicked on some of the links for 500/700 series. The pdf numbers are
different than the actual part numbers. Maybe the numbers that are used are
for the retail outlets. When I order Wiremold I just use the part numbers,
but I buy the parts at an electrical supply and I think some of the parts
are packaged differently from those at a big box store. As I mentioned
before you can go to an electrical supply and ask to look at their Wiremold
catalog. From there you can compile your list of materials. This goes for
just about anything electrical; boxes, fittings, light bulbs, switches and
receptacles etc.

Yes, that all makes sense. Next time (if there is a next time), I'll not
be lazy and go to a real electrical supply place (there are a couple
around he best one is a Chinese-owned place in downtown Oakland). My
catalog (printed) is on its way.

I tend to go to Home Despot too much for stuff. I'm figuring out what
should be bought there (like cheap lumber: it's easier to just grab a
bunch of 2x4s and plywood there, rather than have them write me up a
ticket at a "real" lumberyard) and what I should buy elsewhere, even if
it is more expensive.


--
Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least
mostly pears.
Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in
the product.
Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product.

(with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers)