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how much is a square?
Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the
measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. |
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
wrote: Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Good question for the roofer, eh? No. A bundle is 33.33 square feet. "In most cases, 3 bundles = 1 square." |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. A square is 100 square feet or 10x10 area |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "RBM" wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in message ... Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. A square is 100 square feet or 10x10 area And three bundles of standard three-tab shingles will cover one square. Or four bundles of some premium shingles. |
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In article , "RBM" wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. A square is 100 square feet or 10x10 area And three bundles of standard three-tab shingles will cover one square. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in
: Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? |
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Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? might be. do you know the pitch? Over estimating the squares is a common ploy to charge more. did you have more than one estimate? |
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Colbyt, 11/1/2008,6:41:19 PM, wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? might be. do you know the pitch? Over estimating the squares is a common ploy to charge more. did you have more than one estimate? Not yet. My neighbor was getting his roof replaced today and I asked the Mexicans to give me an estimate. |
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it would have to be damn steep to make 4000 sq. feet of roof on a 1800 sq.
ft of house. Better get some more bids. s OR get out a tape measure and measure it up yourself. s "badgolferman" wrote in message ... Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? |
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In article , "badgolferman" wrote:
Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? If one square = 100 sq ft, obviously 40 squares = 4000 sq ft. You tell me if that seems like too much for an 1800-sf house. |
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In article , "Colbyt" wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in message ... Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? might be. do you know the pitch? Pfffft. Doesn't matter. Even with a 12-pitch roof -- which would be *really* unusual on a ranch house -- it's still too much. More common pitch on a ranch house is about 4; assuming a 1-foot overhang all the way around, and making a small allowance for waste, that means about 24 or 25 squares. Over estimating the squares is a common ploy to charge more. Ayup. did you have more than one estimate? If not... I think he'd better. |
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Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? If the pitch is very low, the number might be in range if the roofer simply wrote 40 square when he meant 40 bundles but still not right. I found links to a roof slope site that shows examples, he http://roofgenius.com/Roof-Pitch-Examples.asp Roofing calculator, he http://www.servicemagic.com/resource...oofing.13.html How much overhang? |
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"badgolferman" wrote in
: Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? Yea it does considering the limited info we have. Also, when sq footage of a house is stated for real estate purposes, that is only for living space. Garages and outbuildings are not included. Roughly, if you had a 24x40 two story, the living space is 24x40x2=1920 sq ft. For roofing purposes it's VERY ROUGHLY 1000 sq ft. Waste, overhangs, pitch, valleys, etc. have to be taken into consideration. 1000 is really way shy. See later in this post. Just trying to give you a feel for it. This is all very rough but let's say your ranch is ONE story with 1800 sq ft. If it were 24 deep it would have to be 75ft long. Assume a 2ft overhang all around which comes to 75+75-24+24 or about 200 linear ft. 200*2ft wide=400 sq ft for overhang. So far we have 1800 house+400 overhang=2200sf total. Give 10% for waste and 10% for pitch. 2200+220+220 =2640sf (27 square) for one level house with no garage. Let's add in a 24x24 garage with the same assumptions. garage 24x24=576sf overhang 24x4x2=192sf garage roof total about 775sf waste & pitch add 20% - 775*1.2=930sf (about 10 square) So the house and garage is 2640+930=3570. Now we are talking 36 square which says 40, as a guess, is possible. But if your place is two story then 40 square is way off. Two story 24x40 with 2ft overhang. House 24*40=960sf of roofing Overhang (24+24+40+40)*2=256sf waste & pitch (960+256)*1.2=1459sf or 15 square. Add in that garage and it's 15+10=25 square. Let's see if I made some stupid blunder here. I'm sure someone will point it out! :-) |
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I have a 60x30 one story ranch. Based on a square
being 100 sq ft, a flat roof would be 18 squares. Figure in 6 ft to the peak and call it less than 20 squares. Than add 4 squares because I don't do these calcs for a living and round it up to 24 squares. The first four estimates I got were 34, 32, 30, and 30 squares with prices ranging $5,400 to $7,500. Not one of the estimators took out a tape or walked the roof. Everyone of them said there was one layer already on the roof so it was a roof-over. When I said I wanted the roof torn off, they said it was unnecessary and would cost an extra $1,000 to $1,200. I knew there were two layers already on it. A roof replacement was not an immediate need so I waited a year. Finally someone walked the roof. said it was 24 squares, already had two layers so it was a tear-off, had two soft-spots which would probably need new underlayment, made a few other suggestions, and priced it at $4,650. It's the difference between dealing with a roofer and dealing with a commissioned sales person for a roofing company. Dick |
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
wrote: Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Square is 10X10. Generaly 3 bundles to the square if I remember from the last roof I did. |
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"Dick Adams" wrote in message ... I have a 60x30 one story ranch. Based on a square being 100 sq ft, a flat roof would be 18 squares. Figure in 6 ft to the peak and call it less than 20 squares. Than add 4 squares because I don't do these calcs for a living and round it up to 24 squares. The first four estimates I got were 34, 32, 30, and 30 squares with prices ranging $5,400 to $7,500. Not one of the estimators took out a tape or walked the roof. Everyone of them said there was one layer already on the roof so it was a roof-over. When I said I wanted the roof torn off, they said it was unnecessary and would cost an extra $1,000 to $1,200. I knew there were two layers already on it. A roof replacement was not an immediate need so I waited a year. Finally someone walked the roof. said it was 24 squares, already had two layers so it was a tear-off, had two soft-spots which would probably need new underlayment, made a few other suggestions, and priced it at $4,650. It's the difference between dealing with a roofer and dealing with a commissioned sales person for a roofing company. Dick Dick: Where did you get these estimates? Thanks Olddog |
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"retired54" wrote in message
... "Dick Adams" wrote in message ... I have a 60x30 one story ranch. Based on a square being 100 sq ft, a flat roof would be 18 squares. Figure in 6 ft to the peak and call it less than 20 squares. Than add 4 squares because I don't do these calcs for a living and round it up to 24 squares. The first four estimates I got were 34, 32, 30, and 30 squares with prices ranging $5,400 to $7,500. Not one of the estimators took out a tape or walked the roof. Everyone of them said there was one layer already on the roof so it was a roof-over. When I said I wanted the roof torn off, they said it was unnecessary and would cost an extra $1,000 to $1,200. I knew there were two layers already on it. A roof replacement was not an immediate need so I waited a year. Finally someone walked the roof. said it was 24 squares, already had two layers so it was a tear-off, had two soft-spots which would probably need new underlayment, made a few other suggestions, and priced it at $4,650. It's the difference between dealing with a roofer and dealing with a commissioned sales person for a roofing company. Dick My experience dealing with many general contractors and roofing subs/companies over the years is that roofers are about the bottom of a generally rancid barrel. Most all of them have a bad attitude and far too many of them do a poor job to boot-- especially flashing around corners, valleys and the chimney. I was doing a major add-on some years ago in suburban Atlanta and the GC had the roofing materials delivered-- except the nails for some reason. When the roofer arrived ( almost three hours late, he said he was walking off the job because he was only contracted for labor, not materials. I told him to go up to Home Depot (3 miles away) and get what he needed and I'd reimburse him. He said he wouldn't do that. Instead of letting the loser walk, I foolishly offered to go get the nails myself which I did. He ended up doing a ****-poor job--- we had leaks and several other problems. The GC had the roof redone out of his pocket. Good for him....I guess he never used that roofer again. Not sure where he ever got him from. Most of the other subs on the job were OK--- except the HVAC...but that's another story... |
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The first four estimates I got were 34, 32, 30, and 30 squares with prices ranging $5,400 to $7,500. Not one of the estimators took out a tape or walked the roof. Everyone of them said there was one layer already on the roof so it was a roof-over. When I said I wanted the roof torn off, they said it was unnecessary and would cost an extra $1,000 to $1,200. I knew there were two layers already on it. It's a bitch when you know more than the estimator. You know there's two layers, and they swear there's one. Any idiot who says it is okay to roof over old shingles isn't a company worth hiring. It can be done, but they never see the under side, and therefore don't know if there's any repairs or replacement that needs to be done. Hire the most reputable company in town. TELL then what you want done. Pay the money and enjoy your new roof. Steve |
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Dick Adams wrote:
I have a 60x30 one story ranch. Based on a square being 100 sq ft, a flat roof would be 18 squares. Figure in 6 ft to the peak and call it less than 20 squares. Than add 4 squares because I don't do these calcs for a living and round it up to 24 squares. The first four estimates I got were 34, 32, 30, and 30 squares with prices ranging $5,400 to $7,500. Not one of the estimators took out a tape or walked the roof. Everyone of them said there was one layer already on the roof so it was a roof-over. When I said I wanted the roof torn off, they said it was unnecessary and would cost an extra $1,000 to $1,200. I knew there were two layers already on it. A roof replacement was not an immediate need so I waited a year. Finally someone walked the roof. said it was 24 squares, already had two layers so it was a tear-off, had two soft-spots which would probably need new underlayment, made a few other suggestions, and priced it at $4,650. It's the difference between dealing with a roofer and dealing with a commissioned sales person for a roofing company. Dick Only if you have flat roof. Multiply your answer by the secant of your roof angle to get the correct answer. Boden |
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In a reserve study for HOAs, the area of the roof is taken from an aerial
photo, then 10% is added for pitch. It is a standard, and fairly accurate estimate unless there is a high pitch ratio. For the purposes of estimation, this would be fairly accurate. Why is it that so many people call estimators and don't get out there themselves with a tape and have an idea before the estimator gets there? YOU go out and measure and come up with 32 squares. One guy comes in at 30, another at 35, another at 40, and another at 45. What does this tell you? Simple math, and if you can't handle that, hand calculators are 99 cents now. Steve |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:21:12 -0500, Red Green
wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? Yea it does considering the limited info we have. Also, when sq footage of a house is stated for real estate purposes, that is only for living space. Garages and outbuildings are not included. Roughly, if you had a 24x40 two story, the living space is 24x40x2=1920 sq ft. For roofing purposes it's VERY ROUGHLY 1000 sq ft. Waste, overhangs, pitch, valleys, etc. have to be taken into consideration. 1000 is really way shy. See later in this post. Just trying to give you a feel for it. This is all very rough but let's say your ranch is ONE story with 1800 sq ft. If it were 24 deep it would have to be 75ft long. Assume a 2ft overhang all around which comes to 75+75-24+24 or about 200 linear ft. 200*2ft wide=400 sq ft for overhang. So far we have 1800 house+400 overhang=2200sf total. Give 10% for waste and 10% for pitch. 2200+220+220 =2640sf (27 square) for one level house with no garage. Let's add in a 24x24 garage with the same assumptions. garage 24x24=576sf overhang 24x4x2=192sf garage roof total about 775sf waste & pitch add 20% - 775*1.2=930sf (about 10 square) So the house and garage is 2640+930=3570. Now we are talking 36 square which says 40, as a guess, is possible. But if your place is two story then 40 square is way off. Two story 24x40 with 2ft overhang. House 24*40=960sf of roofing Overhang (24+24+40+40)*2=256sf waste & pitch (960+256)*1.2=1459sf or 15 square. Add in that garage and it's 15+10=25 square. Let's see if I made some stupid blunder here. I'm sure someone will point it out! :-) Well, for one, a "ranch" is a single story - otherwize known (in many markets) as a bungalow and USUALLY has a relatively low pitch roof. The "typical" ranch has no valleys, but of course there are exceptions. |
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:57:55 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas
wrote: The first four estimates I got were 34, 32, 30, and 30 squares with prices ranging $5,400 to $7,500. Not one of the estimators took out a tape or walked the roof. Everyone of them said there was one layer already on the roof so it was a roof-over. When I said I wanted the roof torn off, they said it was unnecessary and would cost an extra $1,000 to $1,200. I knew there were two layers already on it. It's a bitch when you know more than the estimator. You know there's two layers, and they swear there's one. Any idiot who says it is okay to roof over old shingles isn't a company worth hiring. It can be done, but they never see the under side, and therefore don't know if there's any repairs or replacement that needs to be done. Hire the most reputable company in town. TELL then what you want done. Pay the money and enjoy your new roof. Steve When I had my roof done the last time I told the estimators I wanted 15 lb felt over the whole roof, plus the ice guard and 20 year shingles. Two etimators said I did not want the felt and I told them goodbye. The third said he had not been installing roofing felt for several years but if I was willing to pay for it he would gladly put it on. When I asked why he was not installing it as general practice he said "because everybody is too cheap to pay for it". He said he figured the extra cost of the roofing felt would pay for itself about 4 times over in extended roof life. (I think the roofing felt, installed, raised the cost by about $200) |
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1800 square feet is 18 "square" for roofing. Plus a bit, account of the
pitch. 40 square sounds a bit too much. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Colbyt" wrote in message m... Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? might be. do you know the pitch? Over estimating the squares is a common ploy to charge more. did you have more than one estimate? |
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This is what they said.....
Hemos encargado un montón de dinero y hacerlo muy mal trabajo. Que bebemos mucha cerveza y mirar a su mujer. Salimos de un lío y la demanda aún más dinero. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "badgolferman" wrote in message ... Not yet. My neighbor was getting his roof replaced today and I asked the Mexicans to give me an estimate. |
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Norminn, 11/1/2008,8:40:34 PM, wrote:
badgolferman wrote: Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? If the pitch is very low, the number might be in range if the roofer simply wrote 40 square when he meant 40 bundles but still not right. I found links to a roof slope site that shows examples, he http://roofgenius.com/Roof-Pitch-Examples.asp Roofing calculator, he http://www.servicemagic.com/resource...oofing.13.html How much overhang? Okay, here are the rough calculations. 80' x 40' There is about a foot of overhang front and back. The back slope is constant from the tip to the end with no other angles. The front starts with steeper angle from the top but the slope becomes less acute halfway down. There is one section over the master bedroom that has a different peak than the rest of the house. |
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In article , "badgolferman" wrote:
Norminn, 11/1/2008,8:40:34 PM, wrote: badgolferman wrote: Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? If the pitch is very low, the number might be in range if the roofer simply wrote 40 square when he meant 40 bundles but still not right. I found links to a roof slope site that shows examples, he http://roofgenius.com/Roof-Pitch-Examples.asp Roofing calculator, he http://www.servicemagic.com/resource...oofing.13.html How much overhang? Okay, here are the rough calculations. 80' x 40' There is about a foot of overhang front and back. The back slope is constant from the tip to the end with no other angles. The front starts with steeper angle from the top but the slope becomes less acute halfway down. There is one section over the master bedroom that has a different peak than the rest of the house. You must have a truly huge overhang, or a roof pitch resembling a Swiss chalet, to have an 80x40 = 3200 sf roof over an 1800 sf house. Go over your figures again. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in
: Norminn, 11/1/2008,8:40:34 PM, wrote: badgolferman wrote: Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? If the pitch is very low, the number might be in range if the roofer simply wrote 40 square when he meant 40 bundles but still not right. I found links to a roof slope site that shows examples, he http://roofgenius.com/Roof-Pitch-Examples.asp Roofing calculator, he http://www.servicemagic.com/resource...oofing.13.html How much overhang? Okay, here are the rough calculations. 80' x 40' There is about a foot of overhang front and back. The back slope is constant from the tip to the end with no other angles. The front starts with steeper angle from the top but the slope becomes less acute halfway down. There is one section over the master bedroom that has a different peak than the rest of the house. I'm not a pro roofer or even a frequent flyer roofer so I can't picture in my head what you are talking about for the roof. But if it's only 1 floor and 80 by 40, that's 3200 sf. So add say 15% (previously used 20 for the heck of it) for waste and pitch and you have 3200+480...about 37 square. Pretty close to the roofers guess of 40. How you get your stated 1800 sq ft house under a 40x80 roof is I just cannot envision. |
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Red Green, 11/2/2008,7:21:40 PM, wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in : Norminn, 11/1/2008,8:40:34 PM, wrote: badgolferman wrote: Red Green, 11/1/2008,5:43:59 PM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in : Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Others have explained it. 40 square though? Quite a bit of roof. How big a house is this? Roughly 1800 sq. ft. rancher. Does that seem too much? If the pitch is very low, the number might be in range if the roofer simply wrote 40 square when he meant 40 bundles but still not right. I found links to a roof slope site that shows examples, he http://roofgenius.com/Roof-Pitch-Examples.asp Roofing calculator, he http://www.servicemagic.com/resource...oofing.13.html How much overhang? Okay, here are the rough calculations. 80' x 40' There is about a foot of overhang front and back. The back slope is constant from the tip to the end with no other angles. The front starts with steeper angle from the top but the slope becomes less acute halfway down. There is one section over the master bedroom that has a different peak than the rest of the house. I'm not a pro roofer or even a frequent flyer roofer so I can't picture in my head what you are talking about for the roof. But if it's only 1 floor and 80 by 40, that's 3200 sf. So add say 15% (previously used 20 for the heck of it) for waste and pitch and you have 3200+480...about 37 square. Pretty close to the roofers guess of 40. How you get your stated 1800 sq ft house under a 40x80 roof is I just cannot envision. I have a two-car garage, three large bedrooms, big kitchen, big living room, converted den on garage level, two bathrooms. City assessment shows 1865 sq. ft. but I don't know if that includes the den and garage or just "livable space". Let's lower the dimensions to 78' x 38' which is probably closer to actual. Regarding the pitch, from the peak to about halfway down it's a steeper angle than it is from halfway down to the eave. |
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badgolferman, 11/2/2008,9:44:21 PM, wrote:
Okay, here are the rough calculations. 80' x 40' There is about a foot of overhang front and back. The back slope is constant from the tip to the end with no other angles. The front starts with steeper angle from the top but the slope becomes less acute halfway down. There is one section over the master bedroom that has a different peak than the rest of the house. I'm not a pro roofer or even a frequent flyer roofer so I can't picture in my head what you are talking about for the roof. But if it's only 1 floor and 80 by 40, that's 3200 sf. So add say 15% (previously used 20 for the heck of it) for waste and pitch and you have 3200+480...about 37 square. Pretty close to the roofers guess of 40. How you get your stated 1800 sq ft house under a 40x80 roof is I just cannot envision. I have a two-car garage, three large bedrooms, big kitchen, big living room, converted den on garage level, two bathrooms. City assessment shows 1865 sq. ft. but I don't know if that includes the den and garage or just "livable space". Let's lower the dimensions to 78' x 38' which is probably closer to actual. Regarding the pitch, from the peak to about halfway down it's a steeper angle than it is from halfway down to the eave. Here's a front shot of the house before I bought it: http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/...1m_c4bd762.jpg Look at the right edge and see how the pitch changes. |
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In article , "badgolferman" wrote:
How you get your stated 1800 sq ft house under a 40x80 roof is I just cannot envision. I have a two-car garage, 2-car garage is somewhere around 700 sf. Add that to 1865 sf for the house, and you're still at 2600 sf tops -- really hard to see how it's going to take 4000 sf of shingles to cover that... three large bedrooms, big kitchen, big living room, converted den on garage level, two bathrooms. City assessment shows 1865 sq. ft. but I don't know if that includes the den and garage or just "livable space". Let's lower the dimensions to 78' x 38' which is probably closer to actual. "Probably". Meaning you haven't actually measured it. Meaning you're ripe for plucking by any unscrupulous contractor. Regarding the pitch, from the peak to about halfway down it's a steeper angle than it is from halfway down to the eave. I'm trying hard to picture that... and coming to the conclusion that you stated that backwards. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message
... I have a two-car garage, three large bedrooms, big kitchen, big living room, converted den on garage level, two bathrooms. City assessment shows 1865 sq. ft. but I don't know if that includes the den and garage or just "livable space". . . . I think that is what is throwing you off. You are looking at the "city assessment" which shows 1865 sq. ft. That doesn't tell you the dimensions of your roof (which is over your porch, garage, overhang, etc). So, forget the 1865 sq. ft. and just use your actual roof dimensions to figure out the number of squares. |
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alta47, 11/3/2008,2:43:11 AM, wrote:
"badgolferman" wrote in message ... I have a two-car garage, three large bedrooms, big kitchen, big living room, converted den on garage level, two bathrooms. City assessment shows 1865 sq. ft. but I don't know if that includes the den and garage or just "livable space". . . . I think that is what is throwing you off. You are looking at the "city assessment" which shows 1865 sq. ft. That doesn't tell you the dimensions of your roof (which is over your porch, garage, overhang, etc). So, forget the 1865 sq. ft. and just use your actual roof dimensions to figure out the number of squares. I got out a tape measure and ran it across the ground. Without someone holding the end it came out to around 78' x 38' |
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Whatever you do, get good venting, too.
Such as ridge vent. Get rid of turbines, and no need for power vents if you have good venting. Make sure the soffit venting is not obstructed. On Nov 1, 2:24*pm, "badgolferman" wrote: Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. *40 square is the measurement. *Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? *It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. |
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badgolferman wrote:
alta47, 11/3/2008,2:43:11 AM, wrote: "badgolferman" wrote in message ... I have a two-car garage, three large bedrooms, big kitchen, big living room, converted den on garage level, two bathrooms. City assessment shows 1865 sq. ft. but I don't know if that includes the den and garage or just "livable space". . . . I think that is what is throwing you off. You are looking at the "city assessment" which shows 1865 sq. ft. That doesn't tell you the dimensions of your roof (which is over your porch, garage, overhang, etc). So, forget the 1865 sq. ft. and just use your actual roof dimensions to figure out the number of squares. I got out a tape measure and ran it across the ground. Without someone holding the end it came out to around 78' x 38' 78 x 38 is 2964 sq. ft. Using the roofing calculator and a 6/12 slope it gives 37 squares. |
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"badgolferman" wrote in message
... I think that is what is throwing you off. You are looking at the "city assessment" which shows 1865 sq. ft. That doesn't tell you the dimensions of your roof (which is over your porch, garage, overhang, etc). So, forget the 1865 sq. ft. and just use your actual roof dimensions to figure out the number of squares. I got out a tape measure and ran it across the ground. Without someone holding the end it came out to around 78' x 38' I did understand that you did those measurements. I was just pointing out that you started questioning the 40-square estimate that you received by stating that you only have an 1800 sq. ft. house. As someone else posted, the real roof measurements that you took (78' x 38') make the 40-square estimate seem reasonable, especially since there is a second peak/ridge line for the peak that you see from the front of the house (based on the photo link you posted). That adds additional square footage to the area of the roof surface. |
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In article , Oren wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:24:19 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman" wrote: Roofer gave me a rough estimate of my roof size. 40 square is the measurement. Is a square equivilent to a bundle of shingles? It seems I can't get the terminology right while making a search. Good question for the roofer, eh? No. A bundle is 33.33 square feet. Not necessarily. That depends on the shingles. A square is 100 sq ft, period. A bundle is usually 33.33 sq ft, but not always. |
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