Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in the
driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on the
skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage would
be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not seeing
exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking it would
be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and one
downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump that
would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--

I had a little extra capacity in my system so I ran two ducts with registers
into my garage-- and it works just fine. I leave them open in the Georgia
summer but close them down in winter. One nice side benefit, mold.mildew has
fallen way off.....

Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

Yes, they do exist. Try LG or Mitsubishi, I think they have mini split
systems that can support several inside units.

J.H. Holliday wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in the
driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on the
skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage would
be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not seeing
exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking it would
be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and one
downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump that
would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--


I had a little extra capacity in my system so I ran two ducts with registers
into my garage-- and it works just fine. I leave them open in the Georgia
summer but close them down in winter. One nice side benefit, mold.mildew has
fallen way off.....



Sorry, I didn't specify - this is a detached building; garage bay
downstairs, large room and bathroom upstairs. Not connected to house at
all, only utilities present electric and water (no gas, hence my
question heat pump.)

nate

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On Jul 19, 3:57*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. *A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. *I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. *Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Sure you can do it, but I bet your electric cost per kwh will at
least double in the next years for what you have now, or understand
your electric co is trying its hardest to raise your rates which could
be locked for a present period. You would be smarter spending money to
reduce overall costs. In the mean time a portable AC and fan with
water vapor will work. They are not the high Seer rating of central
AC, but your utility bill will prompt you for higher seer on
everything.

There is a good reason we Americans use 25% of the worlds energy,
but only encompase 5% of its population, we waste it, We **** it
away. And we now have to import oil and Ng, we have NG, alot offshore.
We have oil, in Anwar, and I dont give a dam about Anwares purity,
nobody lives there , and drilling is much safer these days , congress
and butch are morons ,

ransley wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Sure you can do it, but I bet your electric cost per kwh will at
least double in the next years for what you have now, or understand
your electric co is trying its hardest to raise your rates which could
be locked for a present period. You would be smarter spending money to
reduce overall costs. In the mean time a portable AC and fan with
water vapor will work. They are not the high Seer rating of central
AC, but your utility bill will prompt you for higher seer on
everything.

There is a good reason we Americans use 25% of the worlds energy,
but only encompase 5% of its population, we waste it, We **** it
away. And we now have to import oil and Ng, we have NG, alot offshore.
We have oil, in Anwar, and I dont give a dam about Anwares purity,
nobody lives there , and drilling is much safer these days , congress
and butch are morons ,

This would be for use only when I'm physically in the garage. Although
if I could get a unit with a heat pump it might be nice to set it at 50
degrees or something through the winter so I don't have to drain the
water down.

nate

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ransley wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Sure you can do it, but I bet your electric cost per kwh will at
least double in the next years for what you have now, or understand
your electric co is trying its hardest to raise your rates which could
be locked for a present period. You would be smarter spending money to
reduce overall costs. In the mean time a portable AC and fan with
water vapor will work. They are not the high Seer rating of central
AC, but your utility bill will prompt you for higher seer on
everything.

There is a good reason we Americans use 25% of the worlds energy,
but only encompase 5% of its population, we waste it, We **** it
away. And we now have to import oil and Ng, we have NG, alot offshore.
We have oil, in Anwar, and I dont give a dam about Anwares purity,
nobody lives there , and drilling is much safer these days , congress
and butch are morons ,


Ah, ransley. I always admire your positive outlook on life. I wish that
I had the same but these anti-depressants keep getting in the way.

Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate

Funny, I see the Google search items right in your header. split ac.

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am
not seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm
thinking it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one
upstairs and one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as
a heat pump that would be great, because there's no heat out there
either. Is there anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


Funny, I see the Google search items right in your header. split ac.

True, but the question is do I need two outdoor units if I want two
indoor units, and do any of them heat as well as cool? DAGS didn't
provide a whole lot of info. Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability. I guess I should pay more attention next time I'm in a
large building, because I know they use these things all the time in
mechanical penthouses and such, but I haven't paid much attention to
brand or capabilities.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.

I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.

My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)

so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?

nate


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Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.

I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.


Oh, man!!!! That's what I wanted to say. :-)

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.

Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)

LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?

I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

Nate Nagel wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.

I don't blame you for mistrusting Mitsubishi since we blew them out of
the sky by the hundreds in WWII, but LG is a Korean Company.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)

so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?

nate

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.


Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)


LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?


I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility. Mitsubishi
cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a Chrysler and then
found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's not smoking like a
hot turd after five years, you either should play the lottery or don't
drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people with LG washers and/or
dryers, and a lot of them have had problems. (problems with a washer or
dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.


Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)


LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?


I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility. Mitsubishi
cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a Chrysler and then
found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's not smoking like a
hot turd after five years, you either should play the lottery or don't
drive it.

As I said, their trucks seem to be plenty popular. I have no experience
with their cars, since I'm a truck guy, not a car guy.

I've also heard of plenty of people with LG washers and/or
dryers, and a lot of them have had problems. (problems with a washer or
dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug and play for a decade or more.)

You apparently haven't looked at the LG stuff, some of their units are
"bleeding edge" technology and those are where the problems may be, as
well as operator error, not having read the manual.


My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

Well, your expectations are incorrect. As I indicated both brands are
very common and respected outside the US where mini-split is the norm.

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

Nate Nagel wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.


Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)


LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?


I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility. Mitsubishi
cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a Chrysler and then
found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's not smoking like a
hot turd after five years, you either should play the lottery or don't
drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people with LG washers and/or
dryers, and a lot of them have had problems. (problems with a washer or
dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.

nate

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wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.

You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable,
high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are
quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm
vs. the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****,
with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to
take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used
over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If
it's not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should
play the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of
people with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had
problems. (problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be
pretty much plug and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.

nate


Who the **** is talking about Mitsubishi, other than you?
Korea is not part of Japan.
That's like me saying, since I don't like German cars, I won't buy a SAAB.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

Nate Nagel wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

Did you notice that these are mostly the LG and Mitsubishi units?

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.


Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)


LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?


I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.

You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and Japan,
and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck
in the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol
on the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my
garage would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit
but I am not seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google
search. I'm thinking it would be nice to be able to have two indoor
units, one upstairs and one downstairs, and also if either/both could
function as a heat pump that would be great, because there's no heat
out there either. Is there anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm


thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

nate


This is too funny for words. The site he posted has 11 Mitsubishi heat
pumps, 3 LGs, and 3 Friedrichs.
Make sure you buy one of the Friedrichs, Nate!
Excuse me while I go laugh in another room. I'm disturbing my family.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm
thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

Did you notice that these are mostly the LG and Mitsubishi units?

DOH! :-)

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

willshak wrote:
Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products" which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.


I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and Japan,
and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.

Huh? I'm aware that they are two separate companies. I'm saying that
BOTH have a poor track record with their most visible (at least to me)
products in the US.

nate



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http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:



Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.


Did you notice that these are mostly the LG and Mitsubishi units?

Actually the high SEER ones (which I would consider a must) seem to be
mostly Friedrich. I don't know if that's a relabel or if they still
make their own stuff.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:
Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products"

My statement was specific to the LG products, and your implication that
they were somehow "made in China crap".

which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.

I've not had any Mitsubishi products personally, but I have had a
diverse array of LG products and have had zero problems with any of
them.



I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and Japan,
and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.

Huh? I'm aware that they are two separate companies. I'm saying that
BOTH have a poor track record with their most visible (at least to me)
products in the US.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are
quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm
vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home
appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china
crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US
(the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If
it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish
that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply
saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products" which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.


I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and Japan,
and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.

Huh? I'm aware that they are two separate companies. I'm saying that
BOTH have a poor track record with their most visible (at least to me)
products in the US.

nate

Oh, LOL, Please stop, Nate, LOL, I can't take any more laughing. LOL.
You ****ed up, admit it, LOL.
Please don't mention Mitsubishi cars when referring to heat pumps again.
Really! LOL


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.




I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are
quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the
norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.



Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of
anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.




Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home
appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some
fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china
crap)




LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for
a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their
HVAC
products?




I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US
(the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.



See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If
it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much
plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't
get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like
products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish
that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply
saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.



You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.


OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products" which is what was stated earlier in
this thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's
some products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy
staying far, far away from.


I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and
Japan, and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.


Huh? I'm aware that they are two separate companies. I'm saying that
BOTH have a poor track record with their most visible (at least to me)
products in the US.

nate


Oh, LOL, Please stop, Nate, LOL, I can't take any more laughing. LOL.
You ****ed up, admit it, LOL.

Where did I **** up?

Please don't mention Mitsubishi cars when referring to heat pumps again.
Really! LOL

Are you saying that the company that makes Mitsu cars is a different
company than the one that makes Mitsu HVAC equipment? I'm aware that
it's a huge company and that one division might make a significantly
higher quality product than another, but given that Mitsu cars are SUCH
crap, can't you understand why I might be hesitant to buy anything made
by the same company without some reassurance?

Jeez, is tonight asshole night on AHR?

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.




I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are
quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the
norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.



Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of
anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.




Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home
appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some
fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china
crap)




LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for
a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their
HVAC
products?




I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You
need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US
(the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.



See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it.
If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should
play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much
plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on
something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and
that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one
lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time.
Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I
don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like
products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish
that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply
saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I
know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.



You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their
history
outside the US.


OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of
that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products" which is what was stated earlier in
this thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's
some products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy
staying far, far away from.


I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and
Japan, and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.


Huh? I'm aware that they are two separate companies. I'm saying
that BOTH have a poor track record with their most visible (at least
to me) products in the US.

nate


Oh, LOL, Please stop, Nate, LOL, I can't take any more laughing. LOL.
You ****ed up, admit it, LOL.

Where did I **** up?

Please don't mention Mitsubishi cars when referring to heat pumps again.
Really! LOL

Are you saying that the company that makes Mitsu cars is a different
company than the one that makes Mitsu HVAC equipment? I'm aware that
it's a huge company and that one division might make a significantly
higher quality product than another, but given that Mitsu cars are SUCH
crap, can't you understand why I might be hesitant to buy anything made
by the same company without some reassurance?

Jeez, is tonight asshole night on AHR?

Well, it could be, you're here. LOLOLOLO


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:



Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.




I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is
largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands
are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the
norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.



Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of
anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they
somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.




Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home
appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some
fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same
made-in-china crap)




LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around
for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to
their HVAC
products?




I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You
need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US
(the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until
they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had
been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.



See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it.
If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should
play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of
people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had
problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty
much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on
something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and
that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone,
because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one
lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases,
because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time.
Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I
don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM
product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like
products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't
establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply
saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I
know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't
received a
straight answer.



You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track
record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their
history
outside the US.


OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of
that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products" which is what was stated earlier in
this thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's
some products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy
staying far, far away from.


I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and
Japan, and LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.


Huh? I'm aware that they are two separate companies. I'm saying
that BOTH have a poor track record with their most visible (at least
to me) products in the US.

nate


Oh, LOL, Please stop, Nate, LOL, I can't take any more laughing. LOL.
You ****ed up, admit it, LOL.

Where did I **** up?

Please don't mention Mitsubishi cars when referring to heat pumps again.
Really! LOL

Are you saying that the company that makes Mitsu cars is a different
company than the one that makes Mitsu HVAC equipment? I'm aware that
it's a huge company and that one division might make a significantly
higher quality product than another, but given that Mitsu cars are
SUCH crap, can't you understand why I might be hesitant to buy
anything made by the same company without some reassurance?

Jeez, is tonight asshole night on AHR?

Well, it could be, you're here. LOLOLOLO



I missed a Loud at the end. Sorry!

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

buffalobill wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel


subject to electrical codes and the climate and whether you are
storing flammables in the garage: for immediate use might be 250 watt
infrared brooder lamps, this will provide warmth and light if white or
warmth with less light if red. it warms your skin and surfaces where
you point it, but wont warm the air much. compare this to halogen
lighting, where you can have three 500 watt outdoor worklights or
instead five 300 watt worklights. halogen worklights get hot and may
be specific to outdoor use only, so are not necessarily allowed in
your garage in your location. if you have gasoline in the garage you
probably need to use electric heat that is appropriate for that
envoronment.
otherwise you will approximately get about 5200 btuh's out of any 1500
watt electric heater which fills up a 15 amp circuit.
there is some spray on foam insulation for open studs which might be
of use to contain the heat, subject to local codes.
if your climate is hot and dry, swamp coolers use water and a sponge
or belt with a fan to lower the temperature. these don't work
effectively in hot and humid conditions. subject to the size of the
garage and its insulation, there are are residential wall air
conditioners with electric heat in them, limited to your electricity
at the garage, but i don't know if they are approved for your local
use.

I live near DC so my climate is the very definition of "hot and humid."
For the garage bay, due to the way that the space is laid out, I
might have an issue using a wall unit - the two walls that would be
suitable for such are also VERY close to the property line. The other
two walls are taken up by the garage door and a staircase. I also liked
the idea of a split because that way I wouldn't have to buy another
separate unit for upstairs - that could actually be livable space if it
were heated/cooled. The whole building is actually very well insulated;
it was marginally livable in there today while it was pushing 100 outside.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Nate Nagel wrote:
buffalobill wrote:
On Jul 19, 4:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel


subject to electrical codes and the climate and whether you are
storing flammables in the garage: for immediate use might be 250 watt
infrared brooder lamps, this will provide warmth and light if white or
warmth with less light if red. it warms your skin and surfaces where
you point it, but wont warm the air much. compare this to halogen
lighting, where you can have three 500 watt outdoor worklights or
instead five 300 watt worklights. halogen worklights get hot and may
be specific to outdoor use only, so are not necessarily allowed in
your garage in your location. if you have gasoline in the garage you
probably need to use electric heat that is appropriate for that
envoronment.
otherwise you will approximately get about 5200 btuh's out of any 1500
watt electric heater which fills up a 15 amp circuit.
there is some spray on foam insulation for open studs which might be
of use to contain the heat, subject to local codes.
if your climate is hot and dry, swamp coolers use water and a sponge
or belt with a fan to lower the temperature. these don't work
effectively in hot and humid conditions. subject to the size of the
garage and its insulation, there are are residential wall air
conditioners with electric heat in them, limited to your electricity
at the garage, but i don't know if they are approved for your local
use.

I live near DC so my climate is the very definition of "hot and humid."
For the garage bay, due to the way that the space is laid out, I
might have an issue using a wall unit - the two walls that would be
suitable for such are also VERY close to the property line. The other
two walls are taken up by the garage door and a staircase. I also liked
the idea of a split because that way I wouldn't have to buy another
separate unit for upstairs - that could actually be livable space if it
were heated/cooled. The whole building is actually very well insulated;
it was marginally livable in there today while it was pushing 100 outside.

nate


I'm sorry, Nate. I didn't realize that you intended to live above the
garage. Trouble with the wife?
Split doesn't mean it will serve two separate places. In a split AC or
heat pump, the compressor is outside the building while the blower is
mounted in the wall inside the building. Maybe you ought to investigate
that further before buying any unit, Mitsubishi or otherwise.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

buffalobill wrote:

On Jul 19, 4:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am
not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is
there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel



subject to electrical codes and the climate and whether you are
storing flammables in the garage: for immediate use might be 250 watt
infrared brooder lamps, this will provide warmth and light if white or
warmth with less light if red. it warms your skin and surfaces where
you point it, but wont warm the air much. compare this to halogen
lighting, where you can have three 500 watt outdoor worklights or
instead five 300 watt worklights. halogen worklights get hot and may
be specific to outdoor use only, so are not necessarily allowed in
your garage in your location. if you have gasoline in the garage you
probably need to use electric heat that is appropriate for that
envoronment.
otherwise you will approximately get about 5200 btuh's out of any 1500
watt electric heater which fills up a 15 amp circuit.
there is some spray on foam insulation for open studs which might be
of use to contain the heat, subject to local codes.
if your climate is hot and dry, swamp coolers use water and a sponge
or belt with a fan to lower the temperature. these don't work
effectively in hot and humid conditions. subject to the size of the
garage and its insulation, there are are residential wall air
conditioners with electric heat in them, limited to your electricity
at the garage, but i don't know if they are approved for your local
use.


I live near DC so my climate is the very definition of "hot and
humid." For the garage bay, due to the way that the space is laid
out, I might have an issue using a wall unit - the two walls that
would be suitable for such are also VERY close to the property line.
The other two walls are taken up by the garage door and a staircase.
I also liked the idea of a split because that way I wouldn't have to
buy another separate unit for upstairs - that could actually be
livable space if it were heated/cooled. The whole building is
actually very well insulated; it was marginally livable in there today
while it was pushing 100 outside.

nate


I'm sorry, Nate. I didn't realize that you intended to live above the
garage. Trouble with the wife?
Split doesn't mean it will serve two separate places. In a split AC or
heat pump, the compressor is outside the building while the blower is
mounted in the wall inside the building. Maybe you ought to investigate
that further before buying any unit, Mitsubishi or otherwise.


*facepalm*

I'm aware of this, that's why I'm POSTING AND ASKING QUESTIONS.

My original question was - can you get a split system that uses a single
condenser to which you can attach multiple indoor evaporator units.
Apparently the answer to this is yes. The second question was if they
were A/C only or if heat pump units were available, and it seems that
they are available as heat pumps. The third, implied question was "who
makes a good unit."

If I wanted someone to give me copious amounts of **** because I'm not
an expert on what is (at least around here) a rather unusual product, I
would have asked for that. I don't remember doing so.

In fact, if you think about it, if I *were* an expert, would I be asking
any questions at all? No, I'd probably be out buying stuff and/or
getting quotes from installers.

You must be ten tons of fun at parties...

*plonk*

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


willshak wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:




Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.



My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.



so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products"


My statement was specific to the LG products, and your implication that
they were somehow "made in China crap".

Well, then I misinterpreted. But the LG dehumidifiers that I was just
admiring the other day in that Orange Colored Store were, in fact, made
in China. (as are some "American" brands as well - there were some
"Zenith" units in the same display that looked like they rolled off the
same assembly line.)


which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.


I've not had any Mitsubishi products personally, but I have had a
diverse array of LG products and have had zero problems with any of
them.

I've got one of their cell phones in my pocket right now, and it is OK -
not stellar, but comparable to my Motorola. (one is mine, one is the
company's.) However, I've heard bad things about their washers/dryers
and dehumidifiers, two product lines that I've had recent interest in.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

buffalobill wrote:

On Jul 19, 4:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I
am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is
there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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subject to electrical codes and the climate and whether you are
storing flammables in the garage: for immediate use might be 250 watt
infrared brooder lamps, this will provide warmth and light if white or
warmth with less light if red. it warms your skin and surfaces where
you point it, but wont warm the air much. compare this to halogen
lighting, where you can have three 500 watt outdoor worklights or
instead five 300 watt worklights. halogen worklights get hot and may
be specific to outdoor use only, so are not necessarily allowed in
your garage in your location. if you have gasoline in the garage you
probably need to use electric heat that is appropriate for that
envoronment.
otherwise you will approximately get about 5200 btuh's out of any 1500
watt electric heater which fills up a 15 amp circuit.
there is some spray on foam insulation for open studs which might be
of use to contain the heat, subject to local codes.
if your climate is hot and dry, swamp coolers use water and a sponge
or belt with a fan to lower the temperature. these don't work
effectively in hot and humid conditions. subject to the size of the
garage and its insulation, there are are residential wall air
conditioners with electric heat in them, limited to your electricity
at the garage, but i don't know if they are approved for your local
use.


I live near DC so my climate is the very definition of "hot and
humid." For the garage bay, due to the way that the space is laid
out, I might have an issue using a wall unit - the two walls that
would be suitable for such are also VERY close to the property line.
The other two walls are taken up by the garage door and a staircase.
I also liked the idea of a split because that way I wouldn't have to
buy another separate unit for upstairs - that could actually be
livable space if it were heated/cooled. The whole building is
actually very well insulated; it was marginally livable in there
today while it was pushing 100 outside.

nate


I'm sorry, Nate. I didn't realize that you intended to live above the
garage. Trouble with the wife?
Split doesn't mean it will serve two separate places. In a split AC or
heat pump, the compressor is outside the building while the blower is
mounted in the wall inside the building. Maybe you ought to
investigate that further before buying any unit, Mitsubishi or otherwise.


*facepalm*

I'm aware of this, that's why I'm POSTING AND ASKING QUESTIONS.

My original question was - can you get a split system that uses a single
condenser to which you can attach multiple indoor evaporator units.
Apparently the answer to this is yes.

I agree.

The second question was if they
were A/C only or if heat pump units were available, and it seems that
they are available as heat pumps.

Yes, I agree.

The third, implied question was "who
makes a good unit."

Carrier, among others.


If I wanted someone to give me copious amounts of **** because I'm not
an expert on what is (at least around here) a rather unusual product, I
would have asked for that. I don't remember doing so.

In fact, if you think about it, if I *were* an expert, would I be asking
any questions at all? No, I'd probably be out buying stuff and/or
getting quotes from installers.

You must be ten tons of fun at parties...

Yes, I am, especially when people like you are comparing apples to oranges.


*plonk*

Ah, ****! You asked questions of me and then won't listen to my answers.
I wish that I had seen this last line before responding. I only have so
many keystrokes left in me.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

"willshak" wrote in message
I'm gonna talk to my dog about the difference between Korea and Japan, and
LG and Mitsubishi. He'll probably understand.


Don't scare him. He may think you are sending him to Korea to become food.

Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


willshak wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:




Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.



My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.



so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products"


My statement was specific to the LG products, and your implication that
they were somehow "made in China crap".

Well, then I misinterpreted. But the LG dehumidifiers that I was just
admiring the other day in that Orange Colored Store were, in fact, made
in China. (as are some "American" brands as well - there were some
"Zenith" units in the same display that looked like they rolled off the
same assembly line.)

Entirely possible, since dehumidifiers are a low end item generally.
Other good brands outsource some of their bottom end stuff to China as
well, but the common thread is that they generally design the items and
maintain quality control over them.



which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.


I've not had any Mitsubishi products personally, but I have had a
diverse array of LG products and have had zero problems with any of
them.

I've got one of their cell phones in my pocket right now, and it is OK -
not stellar, but comparable to my Motorola. (one is mine, one is the
company's.) However, I've heard bad things about their washers/dryers
and dehumidifiers, two product lines that I've had recent interest in.

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.