"Pete C." wrote in message

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

I'm looking at my LG monitor to type this. The old Goldstar appliances were
of marginal quality, but the LG series seems to be very good quality. We
have the PTT phones in work and one was flushed and recovered. Still works
after cleaning.

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


willshak wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


Pete C. wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:




Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.


Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.



My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)


LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.



so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?


I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate

Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.

Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.

You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.
OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products"

My statement was specific to the LG products, and your implication that
they were somehow "made in China crap".
Well, then I misinterpreted. But the LG dehumidifiers that I was just
admiring the other day in that Orange Colored Store were, in fact, made
in China. (as are some "American" brands as well - there were some
"Zenith" units in the same display that looked like they rolled off the
same assembly line.)

Entirely possible, since dehumidifiers are a low end item generally.
Other good brands outsource some of their bottom end stuff to China as
well, but the common thread is that they generally design the items and
maintain quality control over them.

which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.

I've not had any Mitsubishi products personally, but I have had a
diverse array of LG products and have had zero problems with any of
them.
I've got one of their cell phones in my pocket right now, and it is OK -
not stellar, but comparable to my Motorola. (one is mine, one is the
company's.) However, I've heard bad things about their washers/dryers
and dehumidifiers, two product lines that I've had recent interest in.

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

That doesn't matter to someone where the very name LG brings up thoughts
of Mitsubishi.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in message

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

I'm looking at my LG monitor to type this. The old Goldstar appliances were
of marginal quality, but the LG series seems to be very good quality. We
have the PTT phones in work and one was flushed and recovered. Still works
after cleaning.



Sorry Ed, not good enough for a testimonial about Mitsubishi. Try again. :-)

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:


willshak wrote:


Pete C. wrote:



Nate Nagel wrote:



willshak wrote:



Nate Nagel wrote:



Pete C. wrote:



Nate Nagel wrote:



Pete C. wrote:



Nate Nagel wrote:





Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.




My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.




so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products"


My statement was specific to the LG products, and your implication that
they were somehow "made in China crap".

Well, then I misinterpreted. But the LG dehumidifiers that I was just
admiring the other day in that Orange Colored Store were, in fact, made
in China. (as are some "American" brands as well - there were some
"Zenith" units in the same display that looked like they rolled off the
same assembly line.)


Entirely possible, since dehumidifiers are a low end item generally.
Other good brands outsource some of their bottom end stuff to China as
well, but the common thread is that they generally design the items and
maintain quality control over them.


which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.


I've not had any Mitsubishi products personally, but I have had a
diverse array of LG products and have had zero problems with any of
them.

I've got one of their cell phones in my pocket right now, and it is OK -
not stellar, but comparable to my Motorola. (one is mine, one is the
company's.) However, I've heard bad things about their washers/dryers
and dehumidifiers, two product lines that I've had recent interest in.


One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

Apparently NOBODY makes a good one these days, if you read the reviews
on Amazon or elsewhere online. Every single brand had what I considered
a high rate of negative reviews. Either there's a LOT of dehumidifiers
being sold and the number of people reviewing them is biased towards
those with serious problems (which is possible) or else they're all crap.

I know that I bought a (fairly expensive, cost me $200) Frigidaire unit
and ended up taking it back because it wouldn't shut off. Of course,
that too was made in China... I just got my money back because a) I
found that the fan was supposed to run all the time, which I didn't want
and b) the display unit at the store worked the same way mine did -
appeared to run constantly regardless of humidity selection and wouldn't
shut off when you removed the bucket. And this was the brand that
seemed not to get so many negative reviews.

That's part of the reason for this thread; if I can't get a good quality
dehumidifier (and others seem to be noticing that the new ones suck as
well; used ones are impossible to buy on my local Craigslist. I've
responded to ads within minutes of their posting, and have been told
that I'm second or third in line) I might as well air condition the
place. I did search and there are some higher end light industrial
dehumidifiers but their cost is on the same order of magnitude as an A/C
system and I don't really have any assurance other than price and gut
feeling that they'd be better than the consumer models.

nate

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

I'm looking at my LG monitor to type this.

The old Goldstar appliances were
of marginal quality,

That was the perception, but the truth was generally that they were
basic models without a lot of fancy features or trim, while the quality
was just fine. I recall a lot of folks bitching about waiting for their
Goldstar TV, VCR, microwave, etc. to die so they could get a nicer one,
but they never did.

but the LG series seems to be very good quality. We
have the PTT phones in work and one was flushed and recovered. Still works
after cleaning.

Impressive.

Nate Nagel wrote:

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

Apparently NOBODY makes a good one these days, if you read the reviews
on Amazon or elsewhere online. Every single brand had what I considered
a high rate of negative reviews. Either there's a LOT of dehumidifiers
being sold and the number of people reviewing them is biased towards
those with serious problems (which is possible) or else they're all crap.

I have two cheap dehumidifiers I bought at Depot probably 5 and 6 years
ago, one is the Hampton Bay brand and another Maytag brand, I believe
both are made in China. One is in my shop and the other is stationed in
the house where it runs to help dry things after I do a carpet cleaning,
and runs in the spring and fall when I'm between heating and cooling
seasons to control humidity. Both work just fine.


I know that I bought a (fairly expensive, cost me $200) Frigidaire unit
and ended up taking it back because it wouldn't shut off. Of course,
that too was made in China... I just got my money back because a) I
found that the fan was supposed to run all the time, which I didn't want
and b) the display unit at the store worked the same way mine did -
appeared to run constantly regardless of humidity selection and wouldn't
shut off when you removed the bucket. And this was the brand that
seemed not to get so many negative reviews.

Well, that doesn't sound like a quality issues to me, it sounds like a
design issue that you just don't like. There is good reason for
continuous fan operation since it increases efficiency by taking
advantage of the remaining cold in the coils when the compressor shuts
off, as well as maintaining airflow past the humidistat so it's more
responsive and the room air is more consistent. Might be needed to get
an Energy Star rating too.


That's part of the reason for this thread; if I can't get a good quality
dehumidifier (and others seem to be noticing that the new ones suck as
well; used ones are impossible to buy on my local Craigslist. I've
responded to ads within minutes of their posting, and have been told
that I'm second or third in line) I might as well air condition the
place. I did search and there are some higher end light industrial
dehumidifiers but their cost is on the same order of magnitude as an A/C
system and I don't really have any assurance other than price and gut
feeling that they'd be better than the consumer models.

Certainly if the shop is well insulated and you have bonus room type
office space above it, there is adequate justification for fully
conditioning the space. I have a small window A/C unit in my shop now
and at some point when I finish upgrading and insulating I will likely
install a larger mini split heat pump so it's comfy year round and I
don't get rust films on my machines.

On Jul 20, 10:36 am, "Pete C." wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

Apparently NOBODY makes a good one these days, if you read the reviews
on Amazon or elsewhere online. Every single brand had what I considered
a high rate of negative reviews. Either there's a LOT of dehumidifiers
being sold and the number of people reviewing them is biased towards
those with serious problems (which is possible) or else they're all crap.

I have two cheap dehumidifiers I bought at Depot probably 5 and 6 years
ago, one is the Hampton Bay brand and another Maytag brand, I believe
both are made in China. One is in my shop and the other is stationed in
the house where it runs to help dry things after I do a carpet cleaning,
and runs in the spring and fall when I'm between heating and cooling
seasons to control humidity. Both work just fine.

I believe you, and I'm not 100% opposed to buying a LG dehumidifier, I
just haven't been able to determine of they properly recover from a
power failure yet as that is important to me. LG/Zenith (HD) and
Frigidaire (Lowe's) are the only units I've seen for sale around here.

I know that I bought a (fairly expensive, cost me $200) Frigidaire unit
and ended up taking it back because it wouldn't shut off. Of course,
that too was made in China... I just got my money back because a) I
found that the fan was supposed to run all the time, which I didn't want
and b) the display unit at the store worked the same way mine did -
appeared to run constantly regardless of humidity selection and wouldn't
shut off when you removed the bucket. And this was the brand that
seemed not to get so many negative reviews.

Well, that doesn't sound like a quality issues to me, it sounds like a
design issue that you just don't like. There is good reason for
continuous fan operation since it increases efficiency by taking
advantage of the remaining cold in the coils when the compressor shuts
off, as well as maintaining airflow past the humidistat so it's more
responsive and the room air is more consistent. Might be needed to get
an Energy Star rating too.

Sure, but if you don't need badass dehumidification, if the unit
doesn't automatically restart after a power failure, you also can't
put it on a timer. So it's pretty much useless to me.

That's part of the reason for this thread; if I can't get a good quality
dehumidifier (and others seem to be noticing that the new ones suck as
well; used ones are impossible to buy on my local Craigslist. I've
responded to ads within minutes of their posting, and have been told
that I'm second or third in line) I might as well air condition the
place. I did search and there are some higher end light industrial
dehumidifiers but their cost is on the same order of magnitude as an A/C
system and I don't really have any assurance other than price and gut
feeling that they'd be better than the consumer models.

Certainly if the shop is well insulated and you have bonus room type
office space above it, there is adequate justification for fully
conditioning the space. I have a small window A/C unit in my shop now
and at some point when I finish upgrading and insulating I will likely
install a larger mini split heat pump so it's comfy year round and I
don't get rust films on my machines.

Yup, that's what I'm thinking too.

BTW I was back at the Despot this AM looking for a thermostat switch
for the attic vent fan in the garage, and ended up walking by a
display of air conditioners. Most of them were also branded LG or
Zenith (which again, appears to be a rebrand of LG) and all were made
in China. Now all of these were either portables or window/wall
units, so maybe the splits *are* made in Korea, but you never know.

nate

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:23:38 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Actually the high SEER ones (which I would consider a must) seem to be
mostly Friedrich. I don't know if that's a relabel or if they still
make their own stuff.

nate

Hi Nate,

My Friedrich ductless heat pump is a rebranded Fujitsu. For me,
Fujitsu is the one to beat (up to 21 SEER / 11.0 HSPF).

Cheers,
Paul

Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:23:38 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Actually the high SEER ones (which I would consider a must) seem to be
mostly Friedrich. I don't know if that's a relabel or if they still
make their own stuff.

nate


Hi Nate,

My Friedrich ductless heat pump is a rebranded Fujitsu. For me,
Fujitsu is the one to beat (up to 21 SEER / 11.0 HSPF).

Cheers,
Paul

Thanks Paul,

how long have you had this unit? Anything I ought to be aware of if I'm
considering one?

nate

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:51:25 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:23:38 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Actually the high SEER ones (which I would consider a must) seem to be
mostly Friedrich. I don't know if that's a relabel or if they still
make their own stuff.

nate


Hi Nate,

My Friedrich ductless heat pump is a rebranded Fujitsu. For me,
Fujitsu is the one to beat (up to 21 SEER / 11.0 HSPF).

Cheers,
Paul

Thanks Paul,

how long have you had this unit? Anything I ought to be aware of if I'm
considering one?

nate

Hi Nate,

It was installed in August 2005 and has been an excellent performer --
no problems to report thus far. At current fuel oil prices, I
estimate my net savings over oil heat are just over $1,100.00/year.

My unit is rated at 10.5 SEER and has a HSPF of 7.2. New inverter
drive models such as the Fujitsu 12RLQ are rated at 21 SEER/10.55
HSPF, so their heating and cooling costs are one-third and one-half of
mine respectively. In addition, my Friedrich basically calls it a day
at -10C/14F whereas the 12RLQ can continue to provide a good amount of
heat down to -15C/5F; depending upon the severity of your winters, the
ability to operate at these lower temperatures is a big plus.

These ductless heat pumps are, quite frankly, amazing products and I
recommend them without reservation.

Cheers,
Paul

willshak wrote:
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in message

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof
and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The
successor LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting
effects, and was just replaced last week with a Motorola one only
because I needed a GSM capable phone for foreign travel. The LG
DVD
recorder in one of my PC continues to work well. LG is currently
one of the largest producers of LCD displays and a large
percentage
of the LCD TVs you see use LG panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's
a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've
seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.

I'm looking at my LG monitor to type this. The old Goldstar
appliances were of marginal quality, but the LG series seems to be
very good quality. We have the PTT phones in work and one was
flushed and recovered. Still works after cleaning.



Sorry Ed, not good enough for a testimonial about Mitsubishi. Try
again. :-)

Bear in mind that Mitsubishi makes better F-15s than
McDonnell-Douglas. Or so say the MACDAC engineers I've talked to when
they've got enough beer in them to be honest.

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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Nate Nagel wrote:
willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

buffalobill wrote:

On Jul 19, 4:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my
truck in the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and
rub alcohol on the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking
that A/C in my garage would be oh so nice. A friend recommended
a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm
thinking it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units,
one upstairs and one downstairs, and also if either/both could
function as a heat pump that would be great, because there's no
heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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subject to electrical codes and the climate and whether you are
storing flammables in the garage: for immediate use might be 250
watt infrared brooder lamps, this will provide warmth and light
if
white or warmth with less light if red. it warms your skin and
surfaces where you point it, but wont warm the air much. compare
this to halogen lighting, where you can have three 500 watt
outdoor worklights or instead five 300 watt worklights. halogen
worklights get hot and may be specific to outdoor use only, so
are
not necessarily allowed in your garage in your location. if you
have gasoline in the garage you probably need to use electric
heat
that is appropriate for that envoronment.
otherwise you will approximately get about 5200 btuh's out of any
1500 watt electric heater which fills up a 15 amp circuit.
there is some spray on foam insulation for open studs which might
be of use to contain the heat, subject to local codes.
if your climate is hot and dry, swamp coolers use water and a
sponge or belt with a fan to lower the temperature. these don't
work effectively in hot and humid conditions. subject to the size
of the garage and its insulation, there are are residential wall
air conditioners with electric heat in them, limited to your
electricity at the garage, but i don't know if they are approved
for your local use.


I live near DC so my climate is the very definition of "hot and
humid." For the garage bay, due to the way that the space is
laid
out, I might have an issue using a wall unit - the two walls that
would be suitable for such are also VERY close to the property
line.
The other two walls are taken up by the garage door and a
staircase.
I also liked the idea of a split because that way I wouldn't have
to
buy another separate unit for upstairs - that could actually be
livable space if it were heated/cooled. The whole building is
actually very well insulated; it was marginally livable in there
today while it was pushing 100 outside.

nate


I'm sorry, Nate. I didn't realize that you intended to live above
the
garage. Trouble with the wife?
Split doesn't mean it will serve two separate places. In a split AC
or heat pump, the compressor is outside the building while the
blower is mounted in the wall inside the building. Maybe you ought
to investigate that further before buying any unit, Mitsubishi or
otherwise.


*facepalm*

I'm aware of this, that's why I'm POSTING AND ASKING QUESTIONS.

My original question was - can you get a split system that uses a
single condenser to which you can attach multiple indoor evaporator
units. Apparently the answer to this is yes. The second question
was
if they were A/C only or if heat pump units were available, and it
seems that they are available as heat pumps. The third, implied
question was "who makes a good unit."

The keyword you want is "dual zone mini split heat pump". There are a
number of manufacturers. As to which ones are good, personally I've
had nothing but good experience with LG, but I've never used one of
their appliances. I do have one Friedrich window air conditioner that
is a piece of crap.

Depending on the capacity you need it might be cheaper to use two
single zone mini-splits than one dual-zone.

If I wanted someone to give me copious amounts of **** because I'm
not
an expert on what is (at least around here) a rather unusual
product,
I would have asked for that. I don't remember doing so.

In fact, if you think about it, if I *were* an expert, would I be
asking any questions at all? No, I'd probably be out buying stuff
and/or getting quotes from installers.

You must be ten tons of fun at parties...

*plonk*

nate

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