Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in the
driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on the
skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage would
be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not seeing
exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking it would
be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and one
downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump that
would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--

I had a little extra capacity in my system so I ran two ducts with registers
into my garage-- and it works just fine. I leave them open in the Georgia
summer but close them down in winter. One nice side benefit, mold.mildew has
fallen way off.....

J.H. Holliday wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in the
driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on the
skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage would
be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not seeing
exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking it would
be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and one
downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump that
would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
--


I had a little extra capacity in my system so I ran two ducts with registers
into my garage-- and it works just fine. I leave them open in the Georgia
summer but close them down in winter. One nice side benefit, mold.mildew has
fallen way off.....



Sorry, I didn't specify - this is a detached building; garage bay
downstairs, large room and bathroom upstairs. Not connected to house at
all, only utilities present electric and water (no gas, hence my
question heat pump.)

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

Yes, they do exist. Try LG or Mitsubishi, I think they have mini split
systems that can support several inside units.

On Jul 19, 3:57*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. *A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. *I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. *Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Sure you can do it, but I bet your electric cost per kwh will at
least double in the next years for what you have now, or understand
your electric co is trying its hardest to raise your rates which could
be locked for a present period. You would be smarter spending money to
reduce overall costs. In the mean time a portable AC and fan with
water vapor will work. They are not the high Seer rating of central
AC, but your utility bill will prompt you for higher seer on
everything.

There is a good reason we Americans use 25% of the worlds energy,
but only encompase 5% of its population, we waste it, We **** it
away. And we now have to import oil and Ng, we have NG, alot offshore.
We have oil, in Anwar, and I dont give a dam about Anwares purity,
nobody lives there , and drilling is much safer these days , congress
and butch are morons ,

ransley wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Sure you can do it, but I bet your electric cost per kwh will at
least double in the next years for what you have now, or understand
your electric co is trying its hardest to raise your rates which could
be locked for a present period. You would be smarter spending money to
reduce overall costs. In the mean time a portable AC and fan with
water vapor will work. They are not the high Seer rating of central
AC, but your utility bill will prompt you for higher seer on
everything.

There is a good reason we Americans use 25% of the worlds energy,
but only encompase 5% of its population, we waste it, We **** it
away. And we now have to import oil and Ng, we have NG, alot offshore.
We have oil, in Anwar, and I dont give a dam about Anwares purity,
nobody lives there , and drilling is much safer these days , congress
and butch are morons ,

This would be for use only when I'm physically in the garage. Although
if I could get a unit with a heat pump it might be nice to set it at 50
degrees or something through the winter so I don't have to drain the
water down.

nate

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ransley wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:57 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate
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Sure you can do it, but I bet your electric cost per kwh will at
least double in the next years for what you have now, or understand
your electric co is trying its hardest to raise your rates which could
be locked for a present period. You would be smarter spending money to
reduce overall costs. In the mean time a portable AC and fan with
water vapor will work. They are not the high Seer rating of central
AC, but your utility bill will prompt you for higher seer on
everything.

There is a good reason we Americans use 25% of the worlds energy,
but only encompase 5% of its population, we waste it, We **** it
away. And we now have to import oil and Ng, we have NG, alot offshore.
We have oil, in Anwar, and I dont give a dam about Anwares purity,
nobody lives there , and drilling is much safer these days , congress
and butch are morons ,


Ah, ransley. I always admire your positive outlook on life. I wish that
I had the same but these anti-depressants keep getting in the way.

Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate

Funny, I see the Google search items right in your header. split ac.

willshak wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am
not seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm
thinking it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one
upstairs and one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as
a heat pump that would be great, because there's no heat out there
either. Is there anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


Funny, I see the Google search items right in your header. split ac.

True, but the question is do I need two outdoor units if I want two
indoor units, and do any of them heat as well as cool? DAGS didn't
provide a whole lot of info. Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability. I guess I should pay more attention next time I'm in a
large building, because I know they use these things all the time in
mechanical penthouses and such, but I haven't paid much attention to
brand or capabilities.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.

I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.

My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)

so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?

nate


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Nate Nagel wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.

Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)

LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a long
time with an excellent history.


so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?

I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.

Nate Nagel wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:


Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.


I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.

Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word, ****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.

I don't blame you for mistrusting Mitsubishi since we blew them out of
the sky by the hundreds in WWII, but LG is a Korean Company.


My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances, and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)

so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?

nate

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with longevity
or reliability.

I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs. the
US norm of large central units.


Oh, man!!!! That's what I wanted to say. :-)

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

Did you notice that these are mostly the LG and Mitsubishi units?

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm
thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

Did you notice that these are mostly the LG and Mitsubishi units?

DOH! :-)

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In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.

Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:



Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck in
the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol on
the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my garage
would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit but I am not
seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google search. I'm thinking
it would be nice to be able to have two indoor units, one upstairs and
one downstairs, and also if either/both could function as a heat pump
that would be great, because there's no heat out there either. Is there
anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm

thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.


Did you notice that these are mostly the LG and Mitsubishi units?

Actually the high SEER ones (which I would consider a must) seem to be
mostly Friedrich. I don't know if that's a relabel or if they still
make their own stuff.

nate

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:23:38 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Actually the high SEER ones (which I would consider a must) seem to be
mostly Friedrich. I don't know if that's a relabel or if they still
make their own stuff.

nate

Hi Nate,

My Friedrich ductless heat pump is a rebranded Fujitsu. For me,
Fujitsu is the one to beat (up to 21 SEER / 11.0 HSPF).

Cheers,
Paul

Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:57:26 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:


Hi all,

after spending the afternoon alternately trying to work on my truck
in the driveway and running inside to bask in the A/C and rub alcohol
on the skeeter bites to cool them off, I'm thinking that A/C in my
garage would be oh so nice. A friend recommended a two piece unit
but I am not seeing exactly what I'd like from a quick google
search. I'm thinking it would be nice to be able to have two indoor
units, one upstairs and one downstairs, and also if either/both could
function as a heat pump that would be great, because there's no heat
out there either. Is there anything on the market that fits my needs?

thanks

nate


http://www.acwholesalers.com/Wall-Mo...plits-s/86.htm


thanks, this looks like what I'm really looking for:

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Ductles...zone-s/120.htm

looks like these are "comfortaire" products, any comment on
longevity/reliability? I'd say a two or three zone heat pump system
(three zone if I feel like being fancy and conditioning the bathroom
separately) is exactly what I'm looking for.

nate


This is too funny for words. The site he posted has 11 Mitsubishi heat
pumps, 3 LGs, and 3 Friedrichs.
Make sure you buy one of the Friedrichs, Nate!
Excuse me while I go laugh in another room. I'm disturbing my family.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
in the original Orange County.