Nate Nagel wrote:

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Nate Nagel wrote:

willshak wrote:

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Nate Nagel wrote:


willshak wrote:


Nate Nagel wrote:


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Nate Nagel wrote:


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Nate Nagel wrote:




Another poster suggested Mitsubishi or LG
but in my mind neither one of those brands is associated with
longevity
or reliability.



I'd suggest you look a lot more closely. Those are both
reliable, high
quality brands. Your lack of familiarity with them is largely
due to
their lack of presence in the US HVAC market. Both brands are quite
big
outside the US market where the mini split systems are the norm vs.
the
US norm of large central units.


Well, I am a car guy, which gives me a serious mistrust of anything
branded with the triple diamond. Their cars are, in a word,
****, with
the possible exception of the original Eclipse which they somehow
miraculously made reasonably reliable.



Their trucks seem to be plenty popular.



My only exposure to LG is asking for opinions on home appliances,
and
the consensus seems to be the same (although to be fair, some fine,
once-proud American brands are peddling the same made-in-china crap)



LG is *NOT* made in China. LG is Korean and has been around for a
long
time with an excellent history.



so are you saying that this doesn't necessarily apply to their HVAC
products?



I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their products. You need
to take
another look at who LG is, and the other brand names they have
used over
the years. They used to use the Goldstar brand name in the US (the
G in
LG), always maligned by most as a "cheap piece of crap" until they
realized that the item they just called a "piece of crap" had been
working flawlessly for a couple decades.


See, this doesn't give your post a whole lot of credibility.
Mitsubishi cars are notorious ****, just ask anyone that bought a
Chrysler and then found out that it had a Mitsu engine in it. If it's
not smoking like a hot turd after five years, you either should play
the lottery or don't drive it. I've also heard of plenty of people
with LG washers and/or dryers, and a lot of them have had problems.
(problems with a washer or dryer? those ought to be pretty much plug
and play for a decade or more.)

My point was, I don't feel like dropping a couple grand on something
that's going to crap out on me after five years or less, and that is
what I expect of those two companies.

nate


Then here's a suggestion. Don't buy anything from anyone, because no
matter how great a product is touted, you "will" get the one lemon in
the whole bunch.


Gee, I'm sorry I offended your sensibilities. See, I do take your
advice to some extent - I very rarely make large purchases, because I
maintain my equipment and expect it to last a long time. Therefore, I
tend to take some care when I *do* make large purchases, so I don't get
stuck with crap. Hence, I'd be more likely, say, to buy a GM product
with a 3.8 rather than a Taurus or, yes, a Mitsubishi. I like products
with a proven track record of reliability, or if I can't establish that,
a manufacturer with a proven track record of reliability. Simply saying
"Mitsubishi products are reliable" doesn't wash with me because I know
that at least SOME of their products are ****. I'm so sorry that I
wasted your time with an honest question that still hasn't received a
straight answer.


You have received a straight answer, you just didn't like it.

The LG and Mits. mini-split HVAC units *do* have a proven track record
of reliability, you just have to look outside the US where those
products have been common and popular for a long time. The fact that
they are relatively new to the US in no way detracts from their history
outside the US.

OK, I'll accept that, although I might want to see some evidence of that.

the statement that "I'm saying it doesn't apply to *ANY* of their
(Mitsubishi and LG's) products"


My statement was specific to the LG products, and your implication that
they were somehow "made in China crap".

Well, then I misinterpreted. But the LG dehumidifiers that I was just
admiring the other day in that Orange Colored Store were, in fact, made
in China. (as are some "American" brands as well - there were some
"Zenith" units in the same display that looked like they rolled off the
same assembly line.)

Entirely possible, since dehumidifiers are a low end item generally.
Other good brands outsource some of their bottom end stuff to China as
well, but the common thread is that they generally design the items and
maintain quality control over them.



which is what was stated earlier in this
thread, is FALSE. I've heard quite enough to know that there's some
products from both of those companies that I am perfectly happy staying
far, far away from.


I've not had any Mitsubishi products personally, but I have had a
diverse array of LG products and have had zero problems with any of
them.

I've got one of their cell phones in my pocket right now, and it is OK -
not stellar, but comparable to my Motorola. (one is mine, one is the
company's.) However, I've heard bad things about their washers/dryers
and dehumidifiers, two product lines that I've had recent interest in.

One of my previous LG phones got dropped off a second floor roof and
survived without a scratch (landed on semi packed dirt). The successor
LG phone survived a near drowning without lasting effects, and was just
replaced last week with a Motorola one only because I needed a GSM
capable phone for foreign travel. The LG DVD recorder in one of my PC
continues to work well. LG is currently one of the largest producers of
LCD displays and a large percentage of the LCD TVs you see use LG
panels.

I can't imagine what problems may be had with a dehumidifier, it's a
rather simple device. I've not used any LG appliances, but I've seen
them in the stores and they seem well made.