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Roof with three layers of shingles - dangerous?
I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to
want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben |
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On Jun 23, 7:12*am, Ben wrote:
I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. *It looks like there are three layers of shingles. *I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. *How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben I'd go check with the local code officials and see what the code says. In most places you are permitted to have 2 layers, but no more. Also, in most places you need a building permit to put on new shingles. Find out if one was taken out. If the answers to both of those questions are no, then depending on the rest of the facts, like the age of the roof, I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. |
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Ben,
Shingles have weight. Each layer of shingles puts weight on your roof structure. This structure must support this weight and the weight of other things (snow and ice come to mind). 3 layers of shingles may be too much weight for your roof structure.I 'd be concerned about the roof collapsing. I'd really worry come Winter. Dave M. |
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"Ben" wrote in message
... I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben In addition to what the others have said, I'd pay a visit to whoever did the home inspection and kick him in the teeth. Then get your money back. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message .. . "Ben" wrote in message ... I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben In addition to what the others have said, I'd pay a visit to whoever did the home inspection and kick him in the teeth. Then get your money back. Assuming he had a home inspector. Even so, many give the roof a cursory inspection and pronounce it good or bad and if the top layer looks good, he would not do any in depth inspecting. As for the number of layers, there are probably tens of thousands of houses with three layers. There is the potential for problems, but I'd not act too quickly. If it has been on there for 10 years, I'd do nothing until it was time to re-roof. Not knowing the construction, none of us can say if there is serious danger from the weight. Pitch, snow load, type of rafter or truss, etc. all play a part. Just look at the weight of the older slate roofs. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
.... ...Just look at the weight of the older slate roofs. Slate roofs were certainly not placed on stick-framed houses only sized for asphalt...that's totally unrelated to the OP's situation. I agree it's highly unlikely if it's been there any length of time there's going to be a problem tomorrow. While weight can be a consdieration, the primary proscription on the third layer is it tends to shorten life of the new shingles from additional heat and poor conditions underneath. -- |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:31:10 -0500, dpb wrote:
While weight can be a consdieration, the primary proscription on the third layer is it tends to shorten life of the new shingles from additional heat and poor conditions underneath. Also, when it it time for a new roof, the roofers will charge a lot more for the tear off and haul away of a three layer roof. -- Tony Sivori Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters. |
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As others have said, 3 layers is not a good idea and it does not meet most local codes. On the other hand, older homes often do turn out to have 3 layers because someone went ahead and added a 3rd layer without doing the tear-off that should have been done first. If you had a home inspection done before the purchase, that definitely would have given you the info on the status of the roof. As far as trying to go back now and stick it to the seller, that's doubtful at this point. The fact that you were now able to discover the status of the roof by checking on your own means you could have done the same thing before you bought the property.
If you don't see any evidence of sagging, and the roof seems to be in good shape and is not leaking, you may not need to do anything. If you are getting close to needing a new roof anyway, it would probably make sense to go ahead and get estimates and have it done now before this coming winter. |
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"LJP" wrote
As others have said, 3 layers is not a good idea and it does not meet most local codes. Keep in mind that he may be south of the snow-line and if so, 3 layers is allowed. We don't have the snow weight issues. |
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wrote in message ... On Jun 23, 7:12 am, Ben wrote: I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben I'd go check with the local code officials and see what the code says. In most places you are permitted to have 2 layers, but no more. Also, in most places you need a building permit to put on new shingles. Find out if one was taken out. If the answers to both of those questions are no, then depending on the rest of the facts, like the age of the roof, I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. Why would the seller know anything about roofing? |
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No one else has mentioned this, so I will:
Make sure the spot you checked really _has_ three layers. Some spots, like edges, have an extra layer of shingles on purpose. You also have to count carefully to avoid counting overlapping shingles in a single layer as multiple layers. -- Steve Bell New Life Home Improvement Arlington, TX |
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ythread wrote:
I'd go check with the local code officials and see what the code says. In most places you are permitted to have 2 layers, but no more. Also, in most places you need a building permit to put on new shingles. Find out if one was taken out. If the answers to both of those questions are no, then depending on the rest of the facts, like the age of the roof, I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. Why would the seller know anything about roofing? Unless someone snunk over and re-shingled his house in the dead of night, the seller knew there were three layers. Three layers is certainly something noteworthy and maybe illegal. On the other hand, maybe it's the third layer that's holding the house together. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message m... ythread wrote: I'd go check with the local code officials and see what the code says. In most places you are permitted to have 2 layers, but no more. Also, in most places you need a building permit to put on new shingles. Find out if one was taken out. If the answers to both of those questions are no, then depending on the rest of the facts, like the age of the roof, I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. Why would the seller know anything about roofing? Unless someone snunk over and re-shingled his house in the dead of night, the seller knew there were three layers. Three layers is certainly something noteworthy and maybe illegal. On the other hand, maybe it's the third layer that's holding the house together. He (the seller) may have bought the house that way. He's only responsible for things he knows about. He'd have plausible deniability. If that wasn't true, almost anybody selling a home would be in serious trouble. :-) Maybe a real estate lawyer could respond. My real estate agent said "the less you know the better". |
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Having just one and only one layer is best. Shingles are heavy and
can put extra stress on a roof. I've seen some really bad sagging roofs with 2,3 and 4 layers of shingles on it. |
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Phisherman wrote:
Having just one and only one layer is best. Shingles are heavy and can put extra stress on a roof. I've seen some really bad sagging roofs with 2,3 and 4 layers of shingles on it. I've been scratching my head, wondering how much difference another layer of shingles would make. Google knows ) Found a website that seems to explain it well: http://www.firesafedwellings.org/roo...of_weight.html As for making a claim against the previous owner, that seems like it would be a huge waste in attorneys fees. Unless the roof caves in. I haven't read a disclosure in a long time, but if the previous owner had concealed anything, it seems the new owner wouldn't yet know about the layers of roofing. If there are really three layers of shingles, it probably is far from a hidden issue. Should be obvious from the street. |
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Phisherman wrote:
Having just one and only one layer is best. ... Of course it is (and where did I say or even imply it wasn't?) , but the worst problem is still (generally) the more rapid deterioration of the shingles themselves as opposed to actual risk of a roof failing. If that weren't the case, considering the number of roofing jobs done every year which are second- (or even third-layer), we'd hear of roofs collapsing every where and we don't... -- |
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Ben wrote:
I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben Before doing anything else, confirm that you DO have three layers of shingles. It sounds like you don't have much experience examining roofs (and there's nothing wrong with that ) so get a roofer or other knowledgeable pro out to confirm. THEN decide what, if anything, you should expect from, or need to do to, your roof. |
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"Norminn" wrote in message ... Phisherman wrote: Having just one and only one layer is best. Shingles are heavy and can put extra stress on a roof. I've seen some really bad sagging roofs with 2,3 and 4 layers of shingles on it. I've been scratching my head, wondering how much difference another layer of shingles would make. Google knows ) Found a website that seems to explain it well: http://www.firesafedwellings.org/roo...of_weight.html As for making a claim against the previous owner, that seems like it would be a huge waste in attorneys fees. Unless the roof caves in. I haven't read a disclosure in a long time, but if the previous owner had concealed anything, it seems the new owner wouldn't yet know about the layers of roofing. If there are really three layers of shingles, it probably is far from a hidden issue. Should be obvious from the street. The last disclosesures I filled out or read didn't ask anything about shingle layers. It may have asked about leaking issues. Layers could be covered in the inspection but I have two layers and there isn't a thing about that in my last inspection. Plenty of other roofing issues. |
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Ben wrote in news:a0c3c19d-596e-4a74-b1d2-a589f3e0fe76
@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com: I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben 1) Please don't say you are in ME, NH, VT or Buffalo. 2) Wear a hardhat in the attic. |
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"Red Green" wrote in message
... Ben wrote in news:a0c3c19d-596e-4a74-b1d2-a589f3e0fe76 @u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com: I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben 1) Please don't say you are in ME, NH, VT or Buffalo. 2) Wear a hardhat in the attic. Maybe even in the basement. |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... wrote: ... ... I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. For what? Depending on the state laws, it *might* be something he/she could have fixed but it also would have to be really close to the selling time, not 'years later'. It would depend on the disclosure laws of the state, and the code specs for roofs. I'd say find out first what state the OP is in before worrying about the 3 layers. Most of the USA is not actually in heavy snow-line country g. That seems to be the main area where 3 layers and weight is an issue. |
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On Jun 23, 1:19*pm, "ythread" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jun 23, 7:12 am, Ben wrote: I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry about this? Thanks for your input, -Ben I'd go check with the local code officials and see what the code says. * In most places you are permitted to have 2 layers, but no more. * Also, in most places you need a building permit to put on new shingles. * Find out if one was taken out. * If the answers to both of those questions are no, then depending on the rest of the facts, like the age of the roof, I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. Why would the seller know anything about roofing? Not saying anything about what the seller does or doesn't know about roofing. Only that if you just bought a house and find out that 1 - The roof was recently re-done with 3 layers of shingles and this is not allowed by code, which is the case in most places 2 - No building permit, which is typically required was pulled before the roof was done. Then you have a good case against the seller. I doubt a seller will have much luck arguing in court that their ignorance of the legal requirement of a building permit is an excuse. The seller in turn could have a case against whoever installed the roof, but it's possible they even did it themselves. |
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hey you bought the house
it's yours what you gonna go after the guy for Don't waste money on attorneys in addition some state codes will let you put three layers for example on very steep roofs and so on And check you roof again about three layers or get a roofer to look at it free estimate for re roofing costs you nothing right? |
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On Jun 23, 3:41*pm, dpb wrote:
wrote: ... ... I'd seriously consider going after the seller ad you could have a slam dunk case. For what? -- For the amount it takes to re-do the roof right and to code. If you read my post, I said IF: 1 - It was recently re-roofed 2 - Code says 3 layers are not allowed 3 - A building permit was required, but not pulled. Then you have a good case. |
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On Jun 23, 4:18*pm, Norminn wrote:
Phisherman wrote: Having just one and only one layer is best. * Shingles are heavy and can put extra stress on a roof. *I've seen some really bad sagging roofs with 2,3 and 4 layers of shingles on it. I've been scratching my head, wondering how much difference another layer of shingles would make. *Google knows ) *Found a website that seems to explain it well:http://www.firesafedwellings.org/roo...of_weight.html As for making a claim against the previous owner, that seems like it would be a huge waste in attorneys fees. * No need for attorney's fees. You can bring this case in small claims if necessary. Unless the roof caves in. *I haven't read a disclosure in a long time, but if the previous owner had concealed anything, it seems *the new owner wouldn't yet know about the layers of roofing. *If there are really three layers of shingles, it probably is far from a hidden issue. *Should be obvious from the street. And if code says 3 layers are not allowed? And if code also says a building permit is required, but one was not pulled? And the roof is obviously new? The buyer should just roll over and accept that? |
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On Jun 24, 1:52*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote: As for making a claim against the previous owner, that seems like it would be a huge waste in attorneys fees. No need for attorney's fees. * You can bring this case in small claims if necessary. Most jurisdictions have a limit for small claims courts and that limit may be exceeded here. So, what if the limit is exceeded? It's common for the small claims limit to be $5,000. Some places it's lower, maybe $3,000 and some it's as high as $10,000. If it happens to be capped at $3000, that still goes a long way towards covering the cost and would make it worth pursuing. Having the limit doesn't mean you can't bring the case to small claims, it only means any recovery is capped at that limit. Sometimes you have to actually be out the money for which you're suing which means you've got to replace the roof THEN sue to recover. |
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In many locations, the presumption is that these are issues/questions that
the buyer is expected to resolve at or before closing. After the sale is complete, you don't necessarily get to retroactively address these issues. wrote in message ... If you read my post, I said IF: 1 - It was recently re-roofed 2 - Code says 3 layers are not allowed 3 - A building permit was required, but not pulled. Then you have a good case. |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Ben
wrote: :I moved into my house not too long ago and had the first occasion to :want to go up to the roof yesterday. It looks like there are three :layers of shingles. I've read that you should never have more than :two layers of shingles because of the weight. How much should I worry :about this? : :Thanks for your input, :-Ben My understanding is that 3 layers is maximum, i.e. if a roof with 3 layers needs reroofing, a complete tearoff is the first step. This is what happened when my roof was redone around 3 years ago. Judging from this thread, many if not most areas now require no more than 2 layers. As noted, make sure about your assessment of how many layers are on there. Dan |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:14:05 -0400, Phisherman wrote:
:Having just one and only one layer is best. Shingles are heavy and :can put extra stress on a roof. I've seen some really bad sagging :roofs with 2,3 and 4 layers of shingles on it. My roof was a sad sagger before the complete tearoff of the 3 layers that were on there around 3 years ago. It's amazing how nice it looks now. All that sag is gone. Dan |
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replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote:
This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...us-314591-.htm |
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On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, uglyhouse101 wrote:
replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...us-314591-.htm And they will also explain how even if they missed it, their contract says that you can't come after them. |
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On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 7:14:06 AM UTC-5, uglyhouse101 wrote:
replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. -- You're too late. Ben's home burned down 8 years ago. Ben and his 347 gerbils died in the fire. It was a real tragedy. Those poor, poor gerbils. (~_~ [8~{} Uncle Saddened Monster |
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 23 Jun 2017 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, uglyhouse101 wrote: replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...us-314591-.htm And they will also explain how even if they missed it, their contract says that you can't come after them. Yes, aad I know of home inspectors that don't go up on the roof, so if you didn't see it before you bought the house, neither did he. Too bad, so sad. |
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On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, uglyhouse101 wrote:
replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. I doubt any home inspector is going to come out 9 years after the inspection was done. I wouldn't be surprised if the inspector (and his gerbils) have retired to Florida by now. |
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On 6/23/2017 8:14 AM, uglyhouse101 wrote:
replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. Home Inspectors are a ****ing waste of money. If you really want a thorough home inspection, hire a reputable contractor for the foundation/structure, a plumber for the plumbing, an electrician for the electrical, etc. |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 04:47:06 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 23 Jun 2017 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, uglyhouse101 wrote: replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...us-314591-.htm And they will also explain how even if they missed it, their contract says that you can't come after them. Yes, aad I know of home inspectors that don't go up on the roof, so if you didn't see it before you bought the house, neither did he. Too bad, so sad. For an intelligent homebuyer like most on this list, the majority of home inspections are a TOTAL waste of money and time. Better to take a few of your good buddies along to look at the house _ they are likely to catch more than the inspectors will, and you'll be buying them a few beers anyway. |
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On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 1:30:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 04:47:06 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 23 Jun 2017 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, uglyhouse101 wrote: replying to Ben, uglyhouse101 wrote: This should have been caught When you had your home inspection during your Due Dilligence period. Home Inspectors look critically at roofs for such issues. I would read through your home inspection report and contact them if you still have any concerns. They can come out and explain what you are seeing. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...us-314591-.htm And they will also explain how even if they missed it, their contract says that you can't come after them. Yes, aad I know of home inspectors that don't go up on the roof, so if you didn't see it before you bought the house, neither did he. Too bad, so sad. For an intelligent homebuyer like most on this list, the majority of home inspections are a TOTAL waste of money and time. Better to take a few of your good buddies along to look at the house _ they are likely to catch more than the inspectors will, and you'll be buying them a few beers anyway. I would disagree. In most cases you can recover the cost of the home inspection and then some in reductions from the seller. And it's a lot more likely a seller is going to knock off $1000 for things that an inspector finds than those that a buyer and his buddies claim need addressing. It's worked for me. |
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