There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
count all the votes.

http://surftofind.com/obama

On May 21, 7:16*pm, tobetbaa wrote:
There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
count all the votes.

http://surftofind.com/obama

In the game of life there are few 'do overs'. Florida and Michigan
were warned of the consequences, did it anyhow and now they want a 'do
over'...well actually, a whiney, crying bitch wants a 'do over'.

I do not want a presidenct who is incapable of recognizing a loseing
position...to say nothing of her stated goals "nuke Iran" indeed!

Harry K

On 5/21/2008 7:39 PM Harry K spake thus:

I do not want a presidenct who is incapable of recognizing a loseing
position...to say nothing of her stated goals "nuke Iran" indeed!

Yes; thank you for that.

The problem being, of course, that none of the 3 candidates really
differ at all w/respect to attacking Iran, which is apparently the next
irrational* imperative of the (dying) American Empire, but whatever.

*Or not: I think Noam Chomsky has it right when he says that such things
are, basically, to show 'em who's the boss.

As in, "how did our oil get under your land?".


--
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute
conversation with the average voter.

- Attributed to Winston Churchill

Harry K wrote:

In the game of life there are few 'do overs'. Florida and Michigan
were warned of the consequences, did it anyhow and now they want a 'do
over'...well actually, a whiney, crying bitch wants a 'do over'.


Not for Democrats. Usually.

Republicans are generally "rule oriented." Democrats are generally "goal
oriented."

Republicans tend to accept the end if it follows the stated rules, Democrats
tend to adjust the rules to accomplish the desired results.

On May 22, 5:46*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Harry K wrote:

In the game of life there are few 'do overs'. *Florida and Michigan
were warned of the consequences, did it anyhow and now they want a 'do
over'...well actually, a whiney, crying bitch wants a 'do over'.

Not for Democrats. Usually.

Republicans are generally "rule oriented." Democrats are generally "goal
oriented."

Republicans tend to accept the end if it follows the stated rules, Democrats
tend to adjust the rules to accomplish the desired results.

Right. Just consider their 'super delegates' who can overrule
whatever the voters decide. Why have primaries at all if they don't
count?

Harry K

Harry K wrote:
On May 22, 5:46 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Harry K wrote:

In the game of life there are few 'do overs'. Florida and Michigan
were warned of the consequences, did it anyhow and now they want a
'do over'...well actually, a whiney, crying bitch wants a 'do over'.

Not for Democrats. Usually.

Republicans are generally "rule oriented." Democrats are generally
"goal oriented."

Republicans tend to accept the end if it follows the stated rules,
Democrats tend to adjust the rules to accomplish the desired results.

Right. Just consider their 'super delegates' who can overrule
whatever the voters decide. Why have primaries at all if they don't
count?


Because of the "Madness of Crowds." The Super-Delegate business was put in
to temper the frenzy of the easily excited electorate following Gene
McCarthy's nomination. It was thought that seasoned professionals - cooler
heads, if you will - could prevail.

Obama, for example, maintains that the Super Delegates should follow the
will of their home states. But when Clinton won West Virginia 65-35%, Obama
didn't decline the support of Harry Byrd.

Which brings up another interesting idea: A Klansman supporting a Negro. Is
this a great country or what?

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:


Obama, for example, maintains that the Super Delegates should follow the
will of their home states. But when Clinton won West Virginia 65-35%, Obama
didn't decline the support of Harry Byrd.

Which brings up another interesting idea: A Klansman supporting a Negro. Is
this a great country or what?

Heck the leader of the group that tried to stop the Voting Rights Act
of '65 supporting an AA. Didn't want him to be able to vote at the time,
but wants to vote FOR him. Is this a great country or what?

It's still a waste of time.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Harry K wrote:

In the game of life there are few 'do overs'. Florida and Michigan
were warned of the consequences, did it anyhow and now they want a 'do
over'...well actually, a whiney, crying bitch wants a 'do over'.


Not for Democrats. Usually.

Republicans are generally "rule oriented." Democrats are generally "goal
oriented."

Republicans tend to accept the end if it follows the stated rules, Democrats
tend to adjust the rules to accomplish the desired results.

Boy is this a pile. The republicraps are the ones who are ignoring the law and
the constitution when it suits their purposes.

In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:


Boy is this a pile. The republicraps are the ones who are ignoring the law
and
the constitution when it suits their purposes.

The only differences between the wingnuts on both sides is the number
of the amendment they think is expendable.