Ok, well having accidentally ignited what apparently is a chronic and highly
thermal debate on tank vs. tankless, let's say for the moment that I am sold
on the tank option.

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

Any brands to stay away from is also appreciated information.

Thanks!!!

There actually aren't as many as it appears, most are made by one
manufacturer and marketed under different labels with added bells and
whistles. Same is true for dishwashers, washers, dryers, etc.

I would stay away from any that say "self cleaning" what they do is stir up
the gook in the bottom of the tank and send it through your water lines to
every fixture that uses hot water, cloging up areators and strainers on
water inlets on washing machines and dishwashers, ect.
"Thomas G. Marshall" . com
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Ok, well having accidentally ignited what apparently is a chronic and
highly thermal debate on tank vs. tankless, let's say for the moment that
I am sold on the tank option.

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

Any brands to stay away from is also appreciated information.

Thanks!!!

On Apr 10, 6:38�am, "Craig M" wrote:
I would stay away from any that say "self cleaning" what they do is stir up
the gook in the bottom of the tank and send it through your water lines to
every fixture that uses hot water, cloging up areators and strainers on
water inlets on washing machines and dishwashers, ect.
"Thomas G. Marshall" . com
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Ok, well having accidentally ignited what apparently is a chronic and
highly thermal debate on tank vs. tankless, let's say for the moment that
I am sold on the tank option.

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

Any brands to stay away from is also appreciated information.

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the gook is in your water anyway, and some areas are much worse than
others.

Sears is probably the last place to buy from, they charge more for
everything, espically service.

having gone thru this in the past the best prices are likely home
depot or lowes...... if you have them install you know they will be
there if theres a problem

and again your better off buying a HIGH BTU tank. 75,000 BTU makes a
tremendous difference.

compare the FIRST HOUR RATINGS. buy the largest you can.

the big thing is check dimensions, so the one you buy will fit........

and dont worry about the tank vs tankless flame war, its a regular
feature here and nothing in comparison to knob and tube wiring causes
homeowners insurance issues. thats far worse...

On Apr 10, 8:45 am, " wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:38�am, "Craig M" wrote:

Ok, well having accidentally ignited what apparently is a chronic and
highly thermal debate on tank vs. tankless, let's say for the moment that
I am sold on the tank option.

Please review carefully as you have gotten both good and bad
information.
These are examples of good information
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/a...ater/overview/
http://www.consumersearch.com/www/ho...rs/review.html

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

Be aware that you will pay almost double for a 75 gallon tank as
opposed to a 40. That will put you within a few hundred dollars of a
tankless. I know - you asked about a tank heater, but you need to
check numbers before making your decision as that will drive your
decision.

Any brands to stay away from is also appreciated information.

See links above.

the gook is in your water anyway, and some areas are much worse than
others.

Sears is probably the last place to buy from, they charge more for
everything, espically service.

having gone thru this in the past the best prices are likely home
depot or lowes...... if you have them install you know they will be
there if theres a problem

This is an example of bad advice. Home Depot installations are almost
synonymous with horror story. Check online and see for yourself. My
plumber has been in business for thirty years and he's there when I
need him. Most pros are like that.

and again your better off buying a HIGH BTU tank. 75,000 BTU makes a
tremendous difference.

compare the FIRST HOUR RATINGS. buy the largest you can.

This is another example of bad advice. A larger tank is less
efficient and has a lower efficiency factor. Smaller tanks have an EF
of ~.63 so you're ****ing away a third of your dollars. A larger
tank's EF can be in the neighborhood of .50 Oversizing a system so
you can waste more money is the exact opposite of good advice.

the big thing is check dimensions, so the one you buy will fit........

and dont worry about the tank vs tankless flame war, its a regular
feature here and nothing in comparison to knob and tube wiring causes
homeowners insurance issues. thats far worse...

You should read the helmet flame wars in rec.bicycling.* Those get
_really_ nasty!

R

RicodJour said something like:

....[snip]...

This is another example of bad advice. A larger tank is less
efficient and has a lower efficiency factor. Smaller tanks have an EF
of ~.63 so you're ****ing away a third of your dollars. A larger
tank's EF can be in the neighborhood of .50 Oversizing a system so
you can waste more money is the exact opposite of good advice.

I'm not sure I understand this. Efficiencey in engery loss per gallon
should be lower (at least in physics, larger volumes have less surface area
per unit volume). Unless efficiency in EPA terms is different (is it?)

....[snip]...

On 2008-04-10, Thomas G. Marshall wrote:

RicodJour said something like:

This is another example of bad advice. A larger tank is less
efficient and has a lower efficiency factor. Smaller tanks have
an EF of ~.63 so you're ****ing away a third of your dollars. A
larger tank's EF can be in the neighborhood of .50 Oversizing a
system so you can waste more money is the exact opposite of good
advice.

I'm not sure I understand this. Efficiencey in engery loss per gallon
should be lower (at least in physics, larger volumes have less surface area
per unit volume). Unless efficiency in EPA terms is different (is it?)

Efficiency here is (heat value of hot water delivered)/(heat value of
natural gas burned). So the only thing that matters is absolute
standby losses. The bigger the tank, the bigger the surface area, the
bigger the standby losses.

Wayne

"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote
RicodJour said something like:

This is another example of bad advice. A larger tank is less
efficient and has a lower efficiency factor. Smaller tanks have an EF
of ~.63 so you're ****ing away a third of your dollars. A larger
tank's EF can be in the neighborhood of .50 Oversizing a system so
you can waste more money is the exact opposite of good advice.

I'm not sure I understand this. Efficiencey in engery loss per gallon
should be lower (at least in physics, larger volumes have less surface
area per unit volume). Unless efficiency in EPA terms is different (is
it?)

Dunno, but I do know the ratings on the smaller units are better.

Don and I talked and we are thinking to keep to a 40g gas tank when
replacement time comes, though we'd appreciate having the extra of a 50g.
The cost factor is better with the 40g and we are used to balancing hot
water use around it. According to the link site, we are slightly better off
with that type than tankless in our pattern of use.

wrote:

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

... again your better off buying a HIGH BTU tank. 75,000 BTU makes a
tremendous difference.

compare the FIRST HOUR RATINGS. buy the largest you can.

An oversize tank with a tiny burner is more energy-efficient.

Nick

On Apr 10, 4:59*am, "Thomas G. Marshall"
. com wrote:
Ok, well having accidentally ignited what apparently is a chronic and highly
thermal debate on tank vs. tankless, let's say for the moment that I am sold
on the tank option.

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

Any brands to stay away from is also appreciated information.

Thanks!!!

AO Smith has a commercial condensing line, Cyclone, with scale
cleanout panel, they cost alot, my last AO lasted 25 years. The
Cyclone is 93-96% efficent but EF rating is only fair, I have a 90
gallon AO for 14 units, You need recovery as in btu so an 80 gallon
would be to much. But at $2000+ its a bite. Contact AO for their
input.

On Apr 10, 7:28�pm, ransley wrote:
On Apr 10, 4:59�am, "Thomas G. Marshall"

. com wrote:
Ok, well having accidentally ignited what apparently is a chronic and highly
thermal debate on tank vs. tankless, let's say for the moment that I am sold
on the tank option.

For a gas supplied house (from town, not a propane tank), are there any
particularly good brands suggested in the 60 to 80 gal range?

Any brands to stay away from is also appreciated information.

Thanks!!!

AO Smith has a commercial condensing line, Cyclone, with scale
cleanout panel, they cost alot, my last AO lasted 25 years. The
Cyclone is 93-96% efficent but EF rating is only fair, I have a 90
gallon AO for 14 units, You need recovery as in btu so an 80 gallon
would be to much. But at $2000+ its a bite. Contact AO for their
input.

i wonder when china will start exporting them here, no doubt they will
be lined with lead for long life

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i wonder when china will start exporting them here, no doubt they will
be lined with lead for long life

LOL

Cheri