Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob

"Robert11" wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob


I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never will
be.

On Jul 12, 1:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Robert11" wrote in message

. ..





Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never will
be.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Totaly safe-pull the weeds. Roundup may affect close by plants
througjh the roots if I remember their instructions. I just cover
close by plants with a cloth or bucket and use roundup.

Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob


How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on top
of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support
weeds as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that
do sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground
cover (like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and
look good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant
attractive ones )

"Norminn" wrote in message
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to
it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob
How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on top
of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support weeds
as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that do
sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground cover
(like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and look
good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant attractive
ones )


Why was gravel outlawed?

"Norminn" wrote in message
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to
it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob
How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on top
of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support weeds
as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that do
sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground cover
(like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and look
good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant attractive
ones )

We have River Rock Beds exactly as you describe at our house. We have
Hostas, Iris, and other stuff in it. Unfortunately, that damn cloth ain't
worth a sh*t. Weeds root right through it, and to make matters worse, grass
seed got in the beds and grass grew right through the cloth. It sure was a
big job scarfing off the rock to clean out the vegetation in the beds. Now
that they have been cleaned out, we will use Roundup (carefully and
sparingly) to control whatever comes back.

According to ransley :
On Jul 12, 1:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Robert11" wrote in message

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never will
be.- Hide quoted text -

There's plenty of "valid research", the question is whether they
went far enough/covered every aspect.

Totaly safe-pull the weeds. Roundup may affect close by plants
througjh the roots if I remember their instructions. I just cover
close by plants with a cloth or bucket and use roundup.

Roundup is essentially a contact herbicide. It won't travel thru the
roots or soil to other plants. So, as long as you don't hit the leaves
or stems of desirable plants with roundup itself, it won't hurt them.

Professionals sometimes resort to wearing cotton gloves over rubber
barrier gloves, dip the glove in roundup, and manually "swipe" the
undesirable plants if desirable plants are too close to safely spray.

Buckets or plastic will work as long as you don't have them on so
long the desirable plants don't overheat.
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

Robert11 wrote:

Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob

Landscape fabric. Install it under the gravel and it will let water
through, but help keep weeds from coming up.

Roundup will kill any plant it contacts given sufficient quantity. Most
other weed killers are comparable, even the ones that claim to no harm
grass. They mostly depend on staying on the right threshold where they
kill the weed and don't quite kill the grass.

"Chris Lewis" wrote in message
...
According to ransley :
On Jul 12, 1:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Robert11" wrote in message

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never
will
be.- Hide quoted text -

There's plenty of "valid research", the question is whether they
went far enough/covered every aspect.


Show me where humans were fed minute amounts of pesticides or herbicides in
their drinking water for many years, in a controlled study.

Also: Children constantly put their hands or fingers in or near their mouths
when they're playing. Show me controlled studies in which children came into
contact with yard chemical residues and then put their fingers in or near
their mouths.

"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
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"Norminn" wrote in message
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to
it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob
How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on top
of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support weeds
as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that do
sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground
cover (like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and
look good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant
attractive ones )

We have River Rock Beds exactly as you describe at our house. We have
Hostas, Iris, and other stuff in it. Unfortunately, that damn cloth ain't
worth a sh*t.

You bought a lousy product. The right stuff works fine for many years. Where
did you buy yours?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
....
Show me where humans were fed minute amounts of pesticides or herbicides in
their drinking water for many years, in a controlled study.

Also: Children constantly put their hands or fingers in or near their mouths
when they're playing. Show me controlled studies in which children came into
contact with yard chemical residues and then put their fingers in or near
their mouths.

OTOH, show epidemiological evidence indicating a problem.

You could say the same thing on any and every product made (including
so-called "organics" and/or "natural").

NOTHING can be shown to meet those criteria.

--

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Norminn" wrote in message
ink.net...
Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to
it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob
How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on top
of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support weeds
as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that do
sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground cover
(like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and look
good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant attractive
ones )


Why was gravel outlawed?

Couldn't be shown that ingestion of small amounts wasn't hazardous...

(Sorry, absolutely couldn't resist... )

--

"dpb" wrote in message ...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
...
Show me where humans were fed minute amounts of pesticides or herbicides
in their drinking water for many years, in a controlled study.

Also: Children constantly put their hands or fingers in or near their
mouths when they're playing. Show me controlled studies in which children
came into contact with yard chemical residues and then put their fingers
in or near their mouths.

OTOH, show epidemiological evidence indicating a problem.

You could say the same thing on any and every product made (including
so-called "organics" and/or "natural").

NOTHING can be shown to meet those criteria.

--


Get serious. Please.

Pete C. wrote:
....

Roundup will kill any plant it contacts given sufficient quantity.

So will water...

....

other weed killers are comparable, even the ones that claim to no harm
grass. They mostly depend on staying on the right threshold where they
kill the weed and don't quite kill the grass.

Application rate is not the way herbicides are differentiated as to
effectiveness against broadleaf vis a vis grassy plants. They are
different chemically and affect the specific types of plants in a
totally different manner.

That said, none also will say NO harm to grass and, most specifically,
bermuda and similar grasses are more susceptible than most other lawn
grass varieties.

--

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
...
Show me where humans were fed minute amounts of pesticides or herbicides
in their drinking water for many years, in a controlled study.

Also: Children constantly put their hands or fingers in or near their
mouths when they're playing. Show me controlled studies in which children
came into contact with yard chemical residues and then put their fingers
in or near their mouths.
OTOH, show epidemiological evidence indicating a problem.

You could say the same thing on any and every product made (including
so-called "organics" and/or "natural").

NOTHING can be shown to meet those criteria.

--


Get serious. Please.

I'm as serious as you want...if your statement is to be taken at face
value, so is mine.

--

"dpb" wrote in message ...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
...
Show me where humans were fed minute amounts of pesticides or
herbicides in their drinking water for many years, in a controlled
study.

Also: Children constantly put their hands or fingers in or near their
mouths when they're playing. Show me controlled studies in which
children came into contact with yard chemical residues and then put
their fingers in or near their mouths.
OTOH, show epidemiological evidence indicating a problem.

You could say the same thing on any and every product made (including
so-called "organics" and/or "natural").

NOTHING can be shown to meet those criteria.

--


Get serious. Please.

I'm as serious as you want...if your statement is to be taken at face
value, so is mine.

--


So, you're saying that if it has not been proven UNsafe, it's OK to eat it
and have kids come into contact with it. Is that your final answer?

You may say "We have no intention of eating it", but that may or may not
matter. Can you tell me some details about groundwater and the drinking
water supply in the OP's town?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
...

"Norminn" wrote in message
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru
it, here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to
it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also,
if possible ?

Thanks,
Bob
How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on top
of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support
weeds as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that
do sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground
cover (like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and
look good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant
attractive ones )

We have River Rock Beds exactly as you describe at our house. We have
Hostas, Iris, and other stuff in it. Unfortunately, that damn cloth
ain't worth a sh*t.

You bought a lousy product. The right stuff works fine for many years.
Where did you buy yours?

We had a guy put it in for us last year. I'm not sure where he got it.

"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"J.A. Michel" wrote in message
...

"Norminn" wrote in message
ink.net...
Robert11 wrote:
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru
it, here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to
it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also,
if possible ?

Thanks,
Bob
How large an area? Gravel has been outlawed here, but river rock on
top of landscape cloth is good where stuff won't grow. Doesn't support
weeds as long as it doesn't have soil dumped on it. The few weeds that
do sprout are easy to pull. I would consider changing over to rock and
landscape cloth, or to beds of native plants or non-agressive ground
cover (like hosta). Beds of day lily, hosta, iris, are low maint. and
look good. Trying to kill weeds is a waste - if nothing else, plant
attractive ones )

We have River Rock Beds exactly as you describe at our house. We have
Hostas, Iris, and other stuff in it. Unfortunately, that damn cloth
ain't worth a sh*t.

You bought a lousy product. The right stuff works fine for many years.
Where did you buy yours?

We had a guy put it in for us last year. I'm not sure where he got it.


My favorite garden store (Agway) has 3 levels of fabric quality available.
They're clearly marked as to life expectancy. One suggests permanence you
won't be around to see. Find a real garden store that stocks various types.

clipped

Why was gravel outlawed?



In my area, it is prohibited in building code. Global warming. Believe
it) It was the rage about 20 years ago, and after about 20 years it
also looks like crap.

clipped

We have River Rock Beds exactly as you describe at our house. We have
Hostas, Iris, and other stuff in it. Unfortunately, that damn cloth
ain't worth a sh*t. Weeds root right through it, and to make matters
worse, grass seed got in the beds and grass grew right through the
cloth. It sure was a big job scarfing off the rock to clean out the
vegetation in the beds. Now that they have been cleaned out, we will
use Roundup (carefully and sparingly) to control whatever comes back.

We have small areas around our condo where nothing grows, and some of
those areas, against the building, are also where downspouts empty.
With the deluges we get, anything else would wash away. When hubby and
I were janitors, I used leaf blower to keep them clean. It's been about
6 years since the rock was put down and we have nothing growing through
the landscape cloth. In a couple of spots, I put pots in the ground,
then the rock, so I can take in delicate plants if we have a freeze.
Just stick them back in the hole when it warms up. Plastic edging
around keeps the rock out of the lawn.

clipped

Roundup is essentially a contact herbicide. It won't travel thru the
roots or soil to other plants. So, as long as you don't hit the leaves
or stems of desirable plants with roundup itself, it won't hurt them.

Professionals sometimes resort to wearing cotton gloves over rubber
barrier gloves, dip the glove in roundup, and manually "swipe" the
undesirable plants if desirable plants are too close to safely spray.

Buckets or plastic will work as long as you don't have them on so
long the desirable plants don't overheat.

After we used broadleaf weed killer on our lawn, we had a few stubborn
weeds that we could not pull out. I used to brush Roundup for spot
treating tough stuff. Good lawn care is key.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Chris Lewis" wrote in message
...
According to ransley :
On Jul 12, 1:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Robert11" wrote in message

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with
it or ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and
probably never will
be.- Hide quoted text -

There's plenty of "valid research", the question is whether they
went far enough/covered every aspect.


Check "Roundup Ready" genetically-modified crops.

The EPA says "under present and expected conditions of new use, there is no
potential for Roundup herbicide to pose a health risk to humans..." and the
EPA found only two instances of laboratories falsifying data.

Soybeans have been routinely treated with Roundup since 1996. Corn too.

What's on YOUR dinner table?

Pete C. wrote:

Robert11 wrote:

Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob


Landscape fabric. Install it under the gravel and it will let water
through, but help keep weeds from coming up.

Roundup will kill any plant it contacts given sufficient quantity. Most
other weed killers are comparable, even the ones that claim to no harm
grass. They mostly depend on staying on the right threshold where they
kill the weed and don't quite kill the grass.

There are weed killers that specifically (atrazine?) are taken up by
roots, and should not be used in the root zone of most beneficial
plants. RoundUp can drift, but it is taken up by foliage. Labels for
this stuff are important. Folks in Florida think a lot of houseplants
are cute outdoors, but really are nasty - wandering jew and asparagus
fern are two that are very invasive.

I read recently that someone - in the Carolina's? - caught a piranha in
some body of water!! Talk about trashing the environment.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Chris Lewis" wrote in message
...

According to ransley :

On Jul 12, 1:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"Robert11" wrote in message

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never
will
be.- Hide quoted text -

There's plenty of "valid research", the question is whether they
went far enough/covered every aspect.



Show me where humans were fed minute amounts of pesticides or herbicides in
their drinking water for many years, in a controlled study.

Also: Children constantly put their hands or fingers in or near their mouths
when they're playing. Show me controlled studies in which children came into
contact with yard chemical residues and then put their fingers in or near
their mouths.


There have been numerous studies that show pesticide residue in mother's
milk. Plenty herb. and pest. have instructions to avoid skin contact,
change clothes, etc., because some are absorbed through the skin. That
is why contractors put out the cute little signs after they treat a lawn.

"Robert11" wrote in message
. ..
Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?
Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob

Go to your local supplier who has anyone knowledgeable working there and
investigate pre-emergent herbicides. As with the weed and feed varieties,
they will kill selective plants because at times growing and emerging plants
will take in the poison, whereas later in life their root system and leaves
don't act the same. I still don't understand how the weed and feed knows
the difference between grass and dandelion, but it's better than kneeling
all day and weeding.

Just my opinion from what I understand, and that is darn little. If you
live in an area of this country where there is a "feed store", or have a
county agent, or a university co-op department, those guys are a lot of
help. One size really doesn't fit all, so seek LOCAL information.

Good luck.

Steve

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never
will
be.


Criminently. Everyone dies from something. And if you're lucky enough to
live for a long time, you'll probably be run over by a beer truck, anyway.

Remember when they sprayed malthion from helicopters over LA county at night
and told NO ONE? I bet there are people still keeling over today from that
one.

Live your life like you're not afraid of dying. Unless, of course, you are.

Steve

You could say the same thing on any and every product made (including
so-called "organics" and/or "natural").

Funny when they did studies on the "organic" and "natural" products, tests
showed very little difference between them and regular products. In fact,
they found poisons in them, and a lot were grown with the aid of plain old
human turds.

But, I guess human waste costs more than fertilizer, hence the spike in
cost.

I just wonder if the taste is different ................

Steve

SteveB wrote:

I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never
will
be.



Criminently. Everyone dies from something. And if you're lucky enough to
live for a long time, you'll probably be run over by a beer truck, anyway.

Remember when they sprayed malthion from helicopters over LA county at night
and told NO ONE? I bet there are people still keeling over today from that
one.

Live your life like you're not afraid of dying. Unless, of course, you are.

Steve


They spray mal. in Florida for some nasty bug that kills orange trees.
Orange trees are much more important to Fl. than a few delicate humans )

There have been numerous studies that show pesticide residue in mother's
milk. Plenty herb. and pest. have instructions to avoid skin contact,
change clothes, etc., because some are absorbed through the skin. That is
why contractors put out the cute little signs after they treat a lawn.

Crikey, mate! If you're past a certain generation, all of us are supposed
to be dead. Lawn darts, lead paint, pesticides. And yet we all lived and
there's nothing wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us

(slap!)

Steve

SteveB wrote:

There have been numerous studies that show pesticide residue in mother's
milk. Plenty herb. and pest. have instructions to avoid skin contact,
change clothes, etc., because some are absorbed through the skin. That is
why contractors put out the cute little signs after they treat a lawn.


Crikey, mate! If you're past a certain generation, all of us are supposed
to be dead. Lawn darts, lead paint, pesticides. And yet we all lived and
there's nothing wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us

(slap!)

Steve


It's been a while since I've used any pesticides, but I seem to recall
that they tend to be neurotoxic. Also implicated in a certain kind of
incurable malignant brain tumor. Try a google search on "glioma
epidemiology pesticide".

"SteveB" wrote in message
news
You could say the same thing on any and every product made (including
so-called "organics" and/or "natural").

Funny when they did studies on the "organic" and "natural" products, tests
showed very little difference between them and regular products. In fact,
they found poisons in them, and a lot were grown with the aid of plain old
human turds.

But, I guess human waste costs more than fertilizer, hence the spike in
cost.

I just wonder if the taste is different ................

Steve


Many years ago, the chemical industry purchased certain legislators so they
could arrange for so-called "inert" ingredients to be exempt from safety
testing. These ingredients are often found in "organic" garden chemicals.
Matter of fact, one of them is the reason Roundup is funny stuff:

"Animal however, do not utilize such an enzyme and it is now thought that
Roundup's toxicity is attributable to the surfactant component
polyoxyethyleneamine (POEA) in the formulation. The toxicity profile is
similar to that of other surfactant substances and is limited to cases of
exposure by ingestion."

I'll leave it up to the idiots here to figure out what a surfactant is.

"Norminn" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

There have been numerous studies that show pesticide residue in mother's
milk. Plenty herb. and pest. have instructions to avoid skin contact,
change clothes, etc., because some are absorbed through the skin. That
is why contractors put out the cute little signs after they treat a lawn.


Crikey, mate! If you're past a certain generation, all of us are
supposed to be dead. Lawn darts, lead paint, pesticides. And yet we all
lived and there's nothing wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us

(slap!)

Steve
It's been a while since I've used any pesticides, but I seem to recall
that they tend to be neurotoxic. Also implicated in a certain kind of
incurable malignant brain tumor. Try a google search on "glioma
epidemiology pesticide".

You "seem to recall", and then you come up with "glioma"? I think you're
being too polite and gentle here.

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably never
will
be.


Criminently. Everyone dies from something. And if you're lucky enough to
live for a long time, you'll probably be run over by a beer truck, anyway.

Remember when they sprayed malthion from helicopters over LA county at
night and told NO ONE? I bet there are people still keeling over today
from that one.

Live your life like you're not afraid of dying. Unless, of course, you
are.

Steve


What about people who aren't in a position to make that decision, like
children?

Robert11 wrote:

Hi,

Have a gravel layer over the soil in front yard.
Of course, weeds, crabgrass, dandelions, etc, poke their way up thru it,
here and there.

But, also have some real nice trees, bushes, and plantings in it also.

What can I use very safely to spray the weeds, etc.

There is Roundup of course, and all sorts of other products similar to it.

Any recommendations on what might be "totally" safe ?

No chemical product you use is is "totally" safe. Whatever you use,
its an herbiCIDE. Its intended to kill.

If you want to try something involving the least chemcals, use boiling
water on
the weeds. It take s a while, lots of energy o boil if you have a
lot of weeds,
but a pint of rapidly boiling water will kill most non woody weeds.
Its not "totally" safe, you could get a bad blister / burn fro boiling
water.

I like Roundup and Weed B Gone in a good hand spray bottle, mixed to
mfg recommendations, for close in work.

In real tight situations near good plants, I'll use a 50 - 50 mixture of the
product applied directly to the leaves of the weed with a foam paint brush.

IMHO, YMMV, my $ 0.02 only, no warranties, express or implied.


Would like to be able to spray pretty close to the "good stuff" also, if
possible ?

Thanks,
Bob

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Norminn" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:


There have been numerous studies that show pesticide residue in mother's
milk. Plenty herb. and pest. have instructions to avoid skin contact,
change clothes, etc., because some are absorbed through the skin. That
is why contractors put out the cute little signs after they treat a lawn.


Crikey, mate! If you're past a certain generation, all of us are
supposed to be dead. Lawn darts, lead paint, pesticides. And yet we all
lived and there's nothing wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us

(slap!)

Steve

It's been a while since I've used any pesticides, but I seem to recall
that they tend to be neurotoxic. Also implicated in a certain kind of
incurable malignant brain tumor. Try a google search on "glioma
epidemiology pesticide".


You "seem to recall", and then you come up with "glioma"? I think you're
being too polite and gentle here.


OK.....I have read that gliomas may be a result of pesticide exposure.
It's been a long time, and I recall the glioma part because it is what
my mother died of. Glioma's are more treatable - can live up to about 5
years in some cases - but not curable. My mom was given 6 to 19 months,
and she lived 6 mos. beyond diagnosis. They form in ganglia - very long
nerve cells - so just one malignant cell reaches deep into the brain.
Life is too complex to rely on studies to be sure that any chemical is
or is not safe - we are all exposed to many different kinds. So when
the label says something is toxic to fish, birds, or crustaceans, I
figure it will find it's way back to me )

J.A. Michel wrote:

SNIP HAPPENS

We have River Rock Beds exactly as you describe at our house. We have
Hostas, Iris, and other stuff in it. Unfortunately, that damn cloth
ain't worth a sh*t. Weeds root right through it, and to make matters
worse, grass seed got in the beds and grass grew right through the
cloth. It sure was a big job scarfing off the rock to clean out the
vegetation in the beds. Now that they have been cleaned out, we will
use Roundup (carefully and sparingly) to control whatever comes back.

Fabric works well if, and nly if, you se good stuff, and use a pre
emergent weed killer [Casaron (sp?) or similar]
under the fabric / before the fabric is installed, with a second Casaron
applicatio on op of the fabric before the rock or mulch is spread.

You still need to hand weed, but there's a lot less hand weeding involved.

"Norminn" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Norminn" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:


There have been numerous studies that show pesticide residue in
mother's milk. Plenty herb. and pest. have instructions to avoid skin
contact, change clothes, etc., because some are absorbed through the
skin. That is why contractors put out the cute little signs after they
treat a lawn.


Crikey, mate! If you're past a certain generation, all of us are
supposed to be dead. Lawn darts, lead paint, pesticides. And yet we
all lived and there's nothing wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us
wrong with us

(slap!)

Steve

It's been a while since I've used any pesticides, but I seem to recall
that they tend to be neurotoxic. Also implicated in a certain kind of
incurable malignant brain tumor. Try a google search on "glioma
epidemiology pesticide".


You "seem to recall", and then you come up with "glioma"? I think you're
being too polite and gentle here.
OK.....I have read that gliomas may be a result of pesticide exposure.
It's been a long time, and I recall the glioma part because it is what my
mother died of. Glioma's are more treatable - can live up to about 5
years in some cases - but not curable. My mom was given 6 to 19 months,
and she lived 6 mos. beyond diagnosis. They form in ganglia - very long
nerve cells - so just one malignant cell reaches deep into the brain. Life
is too complex to rely on studies to be sure that any chemical is or is
not safe - we are all exposed to many different kinds. So when the label
says something is toxic to fish, birds, or crustaceans, I figure it will
find it's way back to me )

Good idea.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it
or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably
never will
be.


Criminently. Everyone dies from something. And if you're lucky enough
to live for a long time, you'll probably be run over by a beer truck,
anyway.

Remember when they sprayed malthion from helicopters over LA county at
night and told NO ONE? I bet there are people still keeling over today
from that one.

Live your life like you're not afraid of dying. Unless, of course, you
are.

Steve


What about people who aren't in a position to make that decision, like
children?

We can't take care of the children today who are beaten, neglected and
abused by their parents. Are you saying we need to take care of them?
Maybe by starting a new governmental agency staffed with people making $120k
a year plus bennies and a golden parachute retirement package?

Steve

I don't have grass in back or front yard. Just a huge flower garden in
both So I don't know how this would work on your lawn. But I don't use
any chemicals in my yard.

Take a 1 gallon sprayer add 1 cup of table salt, 2 cups of white vinegar
and fill the rest with hot water. Shake real well to melt salt. Spray on
your weeds on a dry day. Soak the weeds very well.

It works for me , cheap and non toxic.

It won't last forever . you might have to do it again in a couple of
months.

pat

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I can't tell you what's safe to use around which plants. What I can
tell you
is that no such product is safe if humans come into contact with it
or
ingest it. There is no valid research on the issue, and probably
never will
be.


Criminently. Everyone dies from something. And if you're lucky enough
to live for a long time, you'll probably be run over by a beer truck,
anyway.

Remember when they sprayed malthion from helicopters over LA county at
night and told NO ONE? I bet there are people still keeling over today
from that one.

Live your life like you're not afraid of dying. Unless, of course, you
are.

Steve


What about people who aren't in a position to make that decision, like
children?

We can't take care of the children today who are beaten, neglected and
abused by their parents. Are you saying we need to take care of them?
Maybe by starting a new governmental agency staffed with people making
$120k a year plus bennies and a golden parachute retirement package?

Steve


What about your own children and grandchildren? Can you look out for them,
or are you too busy watching football and American Idol learn something new
every day?