kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
B-Hate-Me wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
It appears that you are profoundly stupid.
I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for perfect
grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other people.
One
would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
speaking about the topic and not my grammar.
What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.


Bull****... you're looking for sales!


To who you? Or others that don't know about it? Nah slick I just want
to be sure that the public has valid, supported, professionals show the
benefits of UV-C technology and not allow narrow minded uneducated
people like you have the public exposed to unqualified techs. like you
to explain UV-C technology.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

B-Hate-Me wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
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What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.

You're nothing but a shill, a charlatan selling snake oil.

UV lights suck and so do you.


Learn about advances in your industry and support what you claim. I
sure can.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

Bill wrote:
In article ,
Home Enviro Health Specialists wrote:

I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.

You don't know the difference. You don't like interruptions or
opposition.
Think trying to sell your gizmo's here was a smart idea? People can
look past your sales crap and find out they are an expensive toy that
doesn't do much for 99% of people's systems.

You can't make a residential home sterile. So your uv light is fighting
a losing battle from the start.
Your claims you can't put in writing. Because legally you can be sued
then. But you can say anything you want here, Can't you?

Bill again making the same stupid claims formed by your own uneducated
opinion. Read, learn, then speak. How about again show me with valid
proof that what you claim is true about UV-C technology.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for perfect
grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other people.
One would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
speaking about the topic and not my grammar.


That's right, he can find faults in you and he's determined that you're an
idiot!!!


Listen it's obvious by determination of others and I that believe that
you have issues. So I would say it's you that is the idiot.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message news kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...

Hey Jeffy then *pay* and get your own *private* newsgroup, this is
public, no one here owns it including you and from the language that
you
have in your vocabulary you should be banned from any public group.
You should be banned for being ignorant.


You can't be serious, read the posts. I am the one that is ignorant.
You make claims with not having proper knowledge, insult people, speak
to people rudely, think that a public newsgroup is just for you and who
you say is ok to be here, think you know all and don't have the ability
to learn about something you know nothing about, claim others don't
know
things when you don't have the knowledge to make that determining
factor
and last but not least, you don't have the ability to learn about
advances in your own industry and I am the one that is ignorant?

You have one thing right when you state " I am the one that is
ignorant".
BTW, how's that UV light going to extend the life of a unit?
I mean after all, you have to cover the evap pan and other plastics. LOL



Read and learn about your own industry. The advantages way out the
disadvantages. Plus, not much plastic in the plenum to be exposed
anyway. And we discussed this before it would take an extended period
of time to the UV to effect the plastics, but we do cover them for it
not to be an issue.


Do you ever re-read your bull****?

"not much plastic in the plenum" ever looked at an ICP evaporator assembly?
"it would take an extended period of time" what's 18-20 years mean to you?
"but we do cover them for it not to be an issue" that means is *does* effect
them and that it *doesn't* extend the life.

Read the above till you can understand what it means...



You idiot, the amount of plastic is covered so it does not effect them
and you obviously didn't read how it does extend the life. Please
enough, don't post anymore BS until you have read about the technology
and have supporting documentation to back you opinions.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.

You're nothing but a shill, a charlatan selling snake oil.

UV lights suck and so do you.

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
B-Hate-Me wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...
It appears that you are profoundly stupid.
I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for
perfect
grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other people.
One
would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
speaking about the topic and not my grammar.
What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.


Bull****... you're looking for sales!


To who you? Or others that don't know about it? Nah slick I just want
to be sure that the public has valid, supported, professionals show the
benefits of UV-C technology and not allow narrow minded uneducated
people like you have the public exposed to unqualified techs. like you
to explain UV-C technology.


Bull****.. where's your proof that your product extends the life of HVAC
systems... LOL

In article ,
Home Enviro Health Specialists wrote:

Bill again making the same stupid claims formed by your own uneducated
opinion. Read, learn, then speak. How about again show me with valid
proof that what you claim is true about UV-C technology.

I'm making no claims or selling any gizmo's. Furnish written proof of
your claims.
You can't unless you want sued. lol Putz

--
http://michellemalkin.com/

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...

I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for perfect
grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other people.
One would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
speaking about the topic and not my grammar.


That's right, he can find faults in you and he's determined that you're
an
idiot!!!


Listen it's obvious by determination of others and I that believe that
you have issues. So I would say it's you that is the idiot.


More lies... more lies and more lies...

Where's your proof that your product extends the life of HVAC equipment? LOL

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message news
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message news kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...

Hey Jeffy then *pay* and get your own *private* newsgroup, this is
public, no one here owns it including you and from the language
that
you
have in your vocabulary you should be banned from any public group.
You should be banned for being ignorant.


You can't be serious, read the posts. I am the one that is ignorant.
You make claims with not having proper knowledge, insult people,
speak
to people rudely, think that a public newsgroup is just for you and
who
you say is ok to be here, think you know all and don't have the
ability
to learn about something you know nothing about, claim others don't
know
things when you don't have the knowledge to make that determining
factor
and last but not least, you don't have the ability to learn about
advances in your own industry and I am the one that is ignorant?

You have one thing right when you state " I am the one that is
ignorant".
BTW, how's that UV light going to extend the life of a unit?
I mean after all, you have to cover the evap pan and other plastics.
LOL



Read and learn about your own industry. The advantages way out the
disadvantages. Plus, not much plastic in the plenum to be exposed
anyway. And we discussed this before it would take an extended period
of time to the UV to effect the plastics, but we do cover them for it
not to be an issue.


Do you ever re-read your bull****?

"not much plastic in the plenum" ever looked at an ICP evaporator
assembly?
"it would take an extended period of time" what's 18-20 years mean to
you?
"but we do cover them for it not to be an issue" that means is *does*
effect
them and that it *doesn't* extend the life.

Read the above till you can understand what it means...



You idiot, the amount of plastic is covered so it does not effect them
and you obviously didn't read how it does extend the life. Please
enough, don't post anymore BS until you have read about the technology
and have supporting documentation to back you opinions.


Again, how does your product extend the life of HVAC systems? LOL

kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

Something just came to mind. I would be willing to bet that you had the
same narrow minded opinions when pc's were developed, but now you can't
keep your mouth shut on one. Please let me to be the first to know when
and where your first purchase of UV-C is.


I will NEVER purchase anything from YOU!!!

BTW, why is it again that you care WHERE I make purchases?
I've told you before, I don't swing your way!! Never WILL!!!

Now that's cleared up... shut the **** up, you lying retard.


That's fine with me. It seems that you claim it is BS and does not
work, lies. So I want to know when you purchase because I bet that one
day you will and I would bet that one day you would try to sell it. But
I hope that no one would be stupid enough to purchase a product from you
or sell to you about a product that you have said so many negative
things about.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message news
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message news kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...

Hey Jeffy then *pay* and get your own *private* newsgroup, this is
public, no one here owns it including you and from the language
that
you
have in your vocabulary you should be banned from any public group.
You should be banned for being ignorant.


You can't be serious, read the posts. I am the one that is ignorant.
You make claims with not having proper knowledge, insult people,
speak
to people rudely, think that a public newsgroup is just for you and
who
you say is ok to be here, think you know all and don't have the
ability
to learn about something you know nothing about, claim others don't
know
things when you don't have the knowledge to make that determining
factor
and last but not least, you don't have the ability to learn about
advances in your own industry and I am the one that is ignorant?
You have one thing right when you state " I am the one that is
ignorant".
BTW, how's that UV light going to extend the life of a unit?
I mean after all, you have to cover the evap pan and other plastics.
LOL


Read and learn about your own industry. The advantages way out the
disadvantages. Plus, not much plastic in the plenum to be exposed
anyway. And we discussed this before it would take an extended period
of time to the UV to effect the plastics, but we do cover them for it
not to be an issue.

Do you ever re-read your bull****?

"not much plastic in the plenum" ever looked at an ICP evaporator
assembly?
"it would take an extended period of time" what's 18-20 years mean to
you?
"but we do cover them for it not to be an issue" that means is *does*
effect
them and that it *doesn't* extend the life.

Read the above till you can understand what it means...



You idiot, the amount of plastic is covered so it does not effect them
and you obviously didn't read how it does extend the life. Please
enough, don't post anymore BS until you have read about the technology
and have supporting documentation to back you opinions.


Again, how does your product extend the life of HVAC systems? LOL



Read the post K I can't just keep typing over and over again the same
old stuff.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
B-Hate-Me wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...
It appears that you are profoundly stupid.
I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for
perfect
grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other people.
One
would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
speaking about the topic and not my grammar.
What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.

Bull****... you're looking for sales!


To who you? Or others that don't know about it? Nah slick I just want
to be sure that the public has valid, supported, professionals show the
benefits of UV-C technology and not allow narrow minded uneducated
people like you have the public exposed to unqualified techs. like you
to explain UV-C technology.


Bull****.. where's your proof that your product extends the life of HVAC
systems... LOL


read above

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
...

Answer this. Where is the "war on terror" being fought? Where should it
be fought?
I know that requires thinking. Take your time. Ask friends. We will wait.

Do you mean Bushes "War to create and train terrorists"? It's been a great
success.

All the reports coming out of the relevant agencies are showing more
terrorism,
Al Queda stronger than before 9/11, etc. Bush was Bin Ladens greatest
promoter.
Everything he has done has played into Bin Ladens hands.

It is hard to believe there are still people that think the fiasco in Iraq is
making ANYONE safer. They have their heads so far up their A.... they can't
see
anything.

Bob

And your solution is......

My solution was NOT to go into Iraq in the first place. It was so obvious we'd
be in trouble if we did.

I have yet to hear the Bushies state their solution. All they ever want to do is
more of the same - expecting a different result this time. Insanity.

Bill wrote:
In article ,
Home Enviro Health Specialists wrote:

Bill again making the same stupid claims formed by your own uneducated
opinion. Read, learn, then speak. How about again show me with valid
proof that what you claim is true about UV-C technology.

I'm making no claims or selling any gizmo's. Furnish written proof of
your claims.
You can't unless you want sued. lol Putz

You made no claims. Read the posts you moron. Bill read the
documentation that form an opinion till then let it be.

--
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e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

In article ,
Home Enviro Health Specialists wrote:

Again, how does your product extend the life of HVAC systems? LOL

Read the post K I can't just keep typing over and over again the same
old stuff.

You could try answering his question instead.

You can't back up your statements and your threats in other newsgroups
aren't intimidating anyone.

Either provide written documentation of your claims or quit posting.

Someone's opinion isn't actionable in court. Your expert's opinion on
your statements is worthless. If it's not in writing, it's bull****.

Peddle your gizmo's elsewhere. I'm tired of you lying and playing with
the truth.

--
http://michellemalkin.com/

In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:
And your solution is......

My solution was NOT to go into Iraq in the first place. It was so obvious
we'd
be in trouble if we did.

So based on available intelligence from many countries and Saddam's
refusal to abide by the ceasefire agreements and in violation of UN
resolutions.
You would have done what?



After the fact we know of duplicity by some security council members in
regard to Iraq.
What say you after factoring that in?




I have yet to hear the Bushies state their solution. All they ever want to do
is
more of the same - expecting a different result this time. Insanity.

All I hear from the left is carping and capitulation. Eight years of
Clinton and 6 months of Democrat control this year have yielded what?
Empty threats and statements of defeat and surrender?

In exchange for a complete pullout, would you be in favor of nuking Iraq
and Iran?

Personally I say we embargo Iran. (Newt's suggestion) Cut their gas
supply off so they are reduced to walking. No fuss no muss.
Thoughts?

--
http://michellemalkin.com/

Bill wrote:
In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:
And your solution is......

My solution was NOT to go into Iraq in the first place. It was so
obvious we'd
be in trouble if we did.

So based on available intelligence from many countries and Saddam's
refusal to abide by the ceasefire agreements and in violation of UN
resolutions.
You would have done what?



After the fact we know of duplicity by some security council members
in regard to Iraq.
What say you after factoring that in?




I have yet to hear the Bushies state their solution. All they ever
want to do is
more of the same - expecting a different result this time. Insanity.

All I hear from the left is carping and capitulation. Eight years of
Clinton and 6 months of Democrat control this year have yielded what?
Empty threats and statements of defeat and surrender?

In exchange for a complete pullout, would you be in favor of nuking
Iraq and Iran?

Personally I say we embargo Iran. (Newt's suggestion) Cut their
gas supply off so they are reduced to walking. No fuss no muss.
Thoughts?

Not even possible.

clams casino wrote:
Bill wrote:

In article ,
clams casino wrote:



Some 26% of the US still feel GW is doing a fully satisfactory job.
Essentially the same percentage believe Iraq was behind the 9/11
terrorism.

Did that hurt?
When you pulled that out of your ass?



Harris poll (July 2007) - 26% percent: - President Bush’s approval
rating according to a new Harris poll, down from a high of 88 percent
shortly after 9/11.


I recalled the second part incorrectly - " Even today, more than four
years into the war in Iraq, as many as four in 10 Americans (41
percent) still believe Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved
in financing, planning or carrying out the terrorist attacks on 9/11,
even though no evidence has surfaced to support a connection."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19390791/site/newsweek/



Hmm - just how ignorant are the GW supporters?



Not near as ignorant as liberals. Hell they can't find the USA on a
map much less Iraq.



Reinforces your ignorance - I've been a registered Republican all my
life. I just didn't vote for cowboy, baby bush (either time).


Answer this. Where is the "war on terror" being fought? Where should
it be fought?
I know that requires thinking. Take your time. Ask friends. We will
wait.
Had GW used the military to go after the terrorists after 9/11 rather
than using it as a convenient way to overthrow Saddam in his ****ing
contest (even Saddam grossly underestimated GW's self-interest cowboy
instinct), the world would be a whole lot safer today.

Then again, the Cheney / GW agenda has always been to stir up fear
around the world to enrich their oil-based coffers through higher oil
pricing. Meanwhile, they continue to cost the US about $10B/mo trying
to cover their ass in their botched invasion of Iraq (which once
again - had NOTHING to do with 9/11) - all with borrowed money that
will have to be paid for well after they leave office.

But then, GW has had a history of similar failures (proceed on shoot
from the hip, gut feel & get others to bail him out).

For a start - GW needs to go and the US needs to rebuild badly
shattered diplomacy amongst allies.. His fear mongering,
stay-the-course, failed strategy has been a failure from day one
(except to enrich his family / friends coffers).

Then, a retreat from Iraq is needed

Which is only going to encourage terrorism now.

with a buildup in Afghanistan using world-wide cooperation is necessary to wipe out the terrorists
training camps.

Not even possible.

Unfortunately, the military has been spread way too thin to be effective on the real threats of
terrorism, as history has proven.

No military has EVER wiped out terrorism, it isnt even possible.

dfr wrote:

Then, a retreat from Iraq is needed



Which is only going to encourage terrorism now.



You've got that backwards - Staying in Iraq will continue to encourage
terrorism / hatred of the US.

So how long do you propose staying - 50 years? 100 yrs? 1300 years?

Granted, Bush / Cheney created the problem, but our military's presence
will have no effect on building peace in Iraq. Their civil war is
their and their neighboring countries concern, not ours.



with a buildup in Afghanistan using world-wide cooperation is necessary to wipe out the terrorists
training camps.



Not even possible.



New leadership is required. No one trusts Bush & company. No one is
willing to work with him. That will require an indefinite presence,
but they should not be involved with a civil / sectarian war.



Unfortunately, the military has been spread way too thin to be effective on the real threats of
terrorism, as history has proven.



No military has EVER wiped out terrorism, it isnt even possible.




Terrorism will never be wiped out. Then again, it's nothing new. The
History channel recently had a show that talked about car bombs back in
the 20's which probably were in existence well before that.

The military's purpose should be wiping out terrorist camps - not
playing police in Iraq.

In article
,
"Rod Speed" wrote:

Personally I say we embargo Iran. (Newt's suggestion) Cut their
gas supply off so they are reduced to walking. No fuss no muss.
Thoughts?

Not even possible.

Why not? They import almost everything.

--
http://michellemalkin.com/

clams casino wrote:
dfr wrote:

Then, a retreat from Iraq is needed



Which is only going to encourage terrorism now.

You've got that backwards

Nope.

Staying in Iraq will continue to encourage terrorism / hatred of the US.

Yes, but a retreat would do that even more dramatically given that
the terrorists would decide that they won doing what they did.

So how long do you propose staying - 50 years? 100 yrs? 1300 years?

Until it becomes clear that those fools cant get their act into gear.

And when that becomes clear, it shouldnt be a retreat, just make it clear
to those fools that they are too hopeless to be worth any more US lives.

Granted, Bush / Cheney created the problem,

Yes, its become clear that the shrub's dad had enough of a clue
to realise that the invasion of Iraq was never going to be viable.

but our military's presence will have no effect on building peace in Iraq.

You dont know that.

Their civil war is their and their neighboring countries concern, not ours.

Wrong when it was produced by the invasion of Iraq.

with a buildup in Afghanistan using world-wide cooperation is necessary to wipe out the
terrorists training camps.

Not even possible.

New leadership is required. No one trusts Bush & company.

No one trusts anyone on the other side either.

No one is willing to work with him.

The other side has no idea about what to do now either.

That will require an indefinite presence, but they should not be involved with a civil / sectarian
war.

It did work in northern ireland. Eventually even the stupid irish came to their senses.

Its arguable whether the stupid ragheads ever will.

These are the fools stupid enough to loot everything that isnt nailed
down when Saddam's jackboot was removed from their throats.

Contrast that with the krauts and the japs at the end of WW2.

Unfortunately, the military has been spread way too thin to be
effective on the real threats of terrorism, as history has proven.

No military has EVER wiped out terrorism, it isnt even possible.

Terrorism will never be wiped out. Then again, it's nothing new. The History channel recently
had a show that talked about car bombs
back in the 20's which probably were in existence well before that.

Corse it was. There was quite a bit of terrorism in the century before that.

The military's purpose should be wiping out terrorist camps

Wont stop the sort of terrorism that has been seen in england and madrid etc.

- not playing police in Iraq.

It did work in northern ireland, eventually.

Whether its worth the loss of US lives is another matter entirely.

The real problem was the invasion of Iraq in the first place.

There isnt any way to fix that now.

Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Bill wrote

Personally I say we embargo Iran. (Newt's suggestion) Cut their
gas supply off so they are reduced to walking. No fuss no muss.
Thoughts?

Not even possible.

Why not? They import almost everything.

Not gas they dont.

And the embargo on Cuba didnt reduce them to walking anyway.

dfr wrote:


The real problem was the invasion of Iraq in the first place.

There isnt any way to fix that now.




Bingo - there is no fix without a worldwide coalition.

That will never happen under Bush (Guiliani, etc).

Staying in Iraq will have no effect on their sectarian violence / hatred.

Retreating from Iraq is NOT retreating from fighting terrorism.

In fact, it can and should be the first step in focusing on fighting the
terrorist cells vs. the side track that was made to invade Iraq..

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

UV lights suck and so do you.
Learn about advances in your industry and support what you claim. I sure
can.

Yup...... You sure can suck.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:
And your solution is......

My solution was NOT to go into Iraq in the first place. It was so obvious
we'd
be in trouble if we did.

So based on available intelligence from many countries and Saddam's
refusal to abide by the ceasefire agreements and in violation of UN
resolutions.
You would have done what?

Read a little. Go see what Richard Clarke had to say about the intelligence at
that time. The bushies hand picked intelligence, or manufactured it to meet
their desires. Read about the downing street memos. Saddam was contained - he
was no danger to us. He had no WMDs. There was plenty of intelligence that said
not to invade. But that wasn't what bushie and cheney wanted.


After the fact we know of duplicity by some security council members in
regard to Iraq.
What say you after factoring that in?




I have yet to hear the Bushies state their solution. All they ever want to do
is
more of the same - expecting a different result this time. Insanity.

All I hear from the left is carping and capitulation. Eight years of
Clinton and 6 months of Democrat control this year have yielded what?
Empty threats and statements of defeat and surrender?

Clinton didn't get us into Iraq. You idiots want to blame everything on clinton.
HE was 4x the quality of president that bushie is. Bushie and bushies crew
ignored all the warnings from Clinton about Al Queda and all the other warnings
he had before 9/11. He did NOTHING.

In exchange for a complete pullout, would you be in favor of nuking Iraq
and Iran?

Are you an idiot all the time?

Personally I say we embargo Iran. (Newt's suggestion) Cut their gas
supply off so they are reduced to walking. No fuss no muss.
Thoughts?

Let's see. 50% of the foreign fighters captured in Iraq are Saudies. Most of the
9/11 attackers were Saudies. Most of the Financing of Al Queda comes from
Saudies. Good idea - lets attack Iran.

It was awfully nice of us to eliminate the Iranians greatest problem in their
area - Saddam. I'm sure they are thankful.

Bob

clams casino wrote:
dfr wrote:


The real problem was the invasion of Iraq in the first place.

There isnt any way to fix that now.

Bingo - there is no fix without a worldwide coalition.

And that is never ever going to happen either.

That will never happen under Bush (Guiliani, etc).

Or anyone else either.

Staying in Iraq will have no effect on their sectarian violence / hatred.

Thats arguable. Staying in northern ireland did eventually
see even those fools come to their senses eventually.

Retreating from Iraq is NOT retreating from fighting terrorism.

Yes, but retreating from Iraq will see those fools believe that they
have won and that will produce even more terrorism outside Iraq.

In fact, it can and should be the first step in focusing on fighting
the terrorist cells vs. the side track that was made to invade Iraq..

Nope, because that would see those fools believe that they have
won and that will produce even more terrorism outside Iraq.

At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
They get to kill each other there instead.

dfr wrote:


At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
They get to kill each other there instead.




That's what has me completely baffled.

1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they could
cause much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because GW has told
them to stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.

2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would
claim visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.

Bill wrote:
In article ,
Home Enviro Health Specialists wrote:

Again, how does your product extend the life of HVAC systems? LOL

Read the post K I can't just keep typing over and over again the same
old stuff.

You could try answering his question instead.

You can't back up your statements and your threats in other newsgroups
aren't intimidating anyone.

Either provide written documentation of your claims or quit posting.

Someone's opinion isn't actionable in court. Your expert's opinion on
your statements is worthless. If it's not in writing, it's bull****.

Peddle your gizmo's elsewhere. I'm tired of you lying and playing with
the truth.


Bill learn to read then retain information and then you will understand.
Plenty has been provided in writing and they back up my statements and
there is plenty on the website. I didn't invent nor develop UC-V
technology and I never claimed to.

Just as you didn't invent or develop HVAC your a brainless tech, who i
would be surprised if you could even fix an HVAC system. So does that
make you a lier and play with the truth when you give advice or do you
rely on the knowledge that what has been taught to you.

Get a grip on reality and for God sakes please stop breathing fouled
air, you may be living proof that poor IAQ could have adverse effects on
a humans brain. Wait with the way you talk, are you human? We never
had the opportunity to discuss that. Because you repeat the same old
boring ridiculous statements over and over again.

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification
--------------------------
Proven case studies, EPA Evaluation, Etc.
http://www.uvclightpurification.com
--------------------------
Find an additional source of income to your present HVAC business and
provide a healthier environment for your clients, energy savings, and
extend life of the HVAC.
---------------------------
Please contact me with any questions, suggestions or input that you may
have.

Thank You

clams casino wrote:
dfr wrote:

Retreating from Iraq is NOT retreating from fighting terrorism.

Yes, but retreating from Iraq will see those fools believe that they
have won and that will produce even more terrorism outside Iraq.

In fact, it can and should be the first step in focusing on fighting
the terrorist cells vs. the side track that was made to invade Iraq..

Nope, because that would see those fools believe that they have
won and that will produce even more terrorism outside Iraq.

At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
They get to kill each other there instead.




That's what has me completely baffled.

1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they could cause much more harm
outside Iraq.

Because they believe that the US military shouldnt have invaded Iraq.

And they kill a lot more other ragheads than they ever do the US military too.

There's only been 3.6K US military killed in Iraq, hundreds of thousands
of Iraqis have been killed by other Iraqis since the invasion.

Certainly is not because GW has told them to stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.

Correct.

And we have seen some terrorism outside Iraq, most obviously the london and madrid bombings.

2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would claim visctory, US would
leave and bingo - easy pickens.

Yeah, but they are much too stupid to be able to work that out.

They're too stupid to work out the problem with looting everything that
wasnt nailed down, and demanded that the US get out of Iraq as soon
as the invasion worked very effectively indeed. Hell of a contrast to
what happened with germany and japan at the end of WW2.

Even the Kurds had enough of a clue to work out the advantages of the
US invasion and got their act into gear very quickly after that happened.

Not the stupid rag heads in the rest of the country tho.

They actually are that stupid. It really is as basic as that.

Even the stupid Palestinians are so stupid they cant even manage to get their act into gear.

"clams casino" wrote in message
...
dfr wrote:


At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
They get to kill each other there instead.


That's what has me completely baffled.

1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they could cause
much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because GW has told them to
stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.

2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would claim
visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.

I think you are missing something if you think Bush ever intends to leave, As
soon as we leave, any chance of them passing and following the proposed oil act
will be gone. Then what would have been the point of invading? They aren't
building those permanent bases and embassy for nothing.

Bob

Bob F wrote:
"clams casino" wrote in message
...
dfr wrote:


At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world countrys.
They get to kill each other there instead.


That's what has me completely baffled.

1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they
could cause much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because
GW has told them to stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.

2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would
claim visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.

I think you are missing something if you think Bush ever intends to leave,

His intentions are completely irrelevant.

As soon as we leave, any chance of them passing and following
the proposed oil act will be gone. Then what would have been the
point of invading? They aren't building those permanent bases and
embassy for nothing.

The shrub gets no say what so ever on leaving once he's been given the
bums rush at the next election, he doesnt even get to run at the next election.

So he gets no say what so ever on leaving.

snip

Unless you're going to send him a birthday present, why would you care? This is a NG for HVAC Techs to BS and
discuss whatever **** they may encounter during the day. You seem to be a one trick pony, and believe me UV is not
interesting enough to talk about every day.

IMHO, Joseph

--
Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
website: uvclightpurification.com

That's all you need for a sig, the rest does come off as spam.



No, this is an open public newsgroup to discuss HVAC (alt.hvac). If
some of you have been here for 12 years or any that just came here. You should be honored and not insulting or
argumentative towards people who
would value you opinion and asks questions. If you want your own
private HVAC club or newsgroup, who's stopping you, go do it. But this
is public.

Bingo! HVAC not alt.IAQ. Insults usually come to those who are deserving, most here if proven wrong admit it and
move on. Arguement is how to find out who is wrong. also most here choose not to take the ****y HOs to seriously.
Yes, some of the comments are rough but that's life deal with it. This is our group and who the f--k are you to come in
and tell us how to act in it?



Plus Joe Bill is the one that pushed the issue about the signature (as I have said in other posts) and it seems I am
the only one that has one
for the most part. He just wanted to know who I was, again claiming
that I was spamming. Well that was over a month ago and I am still here "talking" not spamming. I did not have one
and since Bill pushed the
issue for me to put it in, claiming that nothing in the signature was spam.


I didn't say it was spam, I said it comes off as spam in apperance. I have been around awhile, things have
definated changed over the years but if you are looking to join a group, you might want to lurk and be a little more
respectful to the group. You came in pushing a sigle topic... and it does sound like a sales pitch and you sound like
your trying to sell UV.



Now if I took the time to do what was asked, told I could put anything
in it, being the only one with one. What is there is what I preferred
and like. Now others in here have had more than just their name and
e-mail in a signature.

I am proud of who I am and what I do, people actually benefit in many
ways from these systems, it not just selling another product that may
eventually end up in a closet or the basement being useless. People,
children, company's actually save money, gain health benefits and extend the life of the HVAC unit. No other
product to my knowledge provides
the public and private sector with such aspects.

No, not sending anyone anything, but if you choose to be disrespectful
and abuse people in here, man up and tell the world who you are.

I didn't ask to talk about UV everyday and I have been reading different posts here to learn more about HVAC than I
already know (as I have said
since day one). But I do believe that if I see something (as in this
post), have an opinion about something, a question or answer I should be entitled to say it just as you do or anyone
else that chooses to do so
here as well.

Well your sig line sure talks about it every time you post.

--

Jim - UV-C Light Purification
e-mail:
--------------------------
HVAC Coil Irradiation to kill *Mold, *Mildew,
*Viruses and *Bacteria.
*Downstream Air Purification

That would even be less blaring as to what your selling.

Just my two cents, JRP

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

Read the post K I can't just keep typing over and over again the same
old stuff.


Include it in your two page sig line... LOL

UV-C will make your HVAC equipment last longer, says the little green man.

LMAO

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

Bill learn to read then retain information and then you will understand.
Plenty has been provided in writing and they back up my statements and
there is plenty on the website. I didn't invent nor develop UC-V
technology and I never claimed to.

Just as you didn't invent or develop HVAC your a brainless tech, who i
would be surprised if you could even fix an HVAC system. So does that
make you a lier and play with the truth when you give advice or do you
rely on the knowledge that what has been taught to you.

Get a grip on reality and for God sakes please stop breathing fouled
air, you may be living proof that poor IAQ could have adverse effects on
a humans brain. Wait with the way you talk, are you human? We never
had the opportunity to discuss that. Because you repeat the same old
boring ridiculous statements over and over again.


Please learn the difference between your and you're...

BTW, how's your **** make HVAC equipment last longer? LOL

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...

Something just came to mind. I would be willing to bet that you had
the
same narrow minded opinions when pc's were developed, but now you can't
keep your mouth shut on one. Please let me to be the first to know
when
and where your first purchase of UV-C is.


I will NEVER purchase anything from YOU!!!

BTW, why is it again that you care WHERE I make purchases?
I've told you before, I don't swing your way!! Never WILL!!!

Now that's cleared up... shut the **** up, you lying retard.


That's fine with me. It seems that you claim it is BS and does not
work, lies. So I want to know when you purchase because I bet that one
day you will and I would bet that one day you would try to sell it. But
I hope that no one would be stupid enough to purchase a product from you
or sell to you about a product that you have said so many negative
things about.


Jim, take your bull**** somewhere else... no one here is buying.

Your product shortens the life of equipment. --- now there's a true
statement for ya!

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message
news:LHSki.3283$Y_3.2444@trnddc04...
KJPRO the only qualification you have
kiddy garden and that would be to advance for you
I am suggesting more like day care.
son grow up.
Tony


Facts hurt you , Eh?

Sorry...


Wow Kjpro more people have formed some interesting opinions of you.
Hmm,, Maybe it is you.



Yeah, you don't know Tony very well... he's very well liked around here...
LMAO

Who you going to use next, your brother Stormy? LOL

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
B-Hate-Me wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.

You're nothing but a shill, a charlatan selling snake oil.

UV lights suck and so do you.


Learn about advances in your industry and support what you claim. I
sure can.


Then where's the proof that your product extends the life of HVAC equipment?

I'll be waiting... but, I sure won't be holding my breath!

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...

till then let it be.


Is that what you do when you're approached by a snake oil salesman?

"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" wrote
in
message ...
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...
B-Hate-Me wrote:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists"
wrote
in
message ...
It appears that you are profoundly stupid.
I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for
perfect
grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other
people.
One
would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
speaking about the topic and not my grammar.
What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".

If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are
doing
here,
I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess
why?


I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.

Bull****... you're looking for sales!


To who you? Or others that don't know about it? Nah slick I just want
to be sure that the public has valid, supported, professionals show the
benefits of UV-C technology and not allow narrow minded uneducated
people like you have the public exposed to unqualified techs. like you
to explain UV-C technology.


Bull****.. where's your proof that your product extends the life of HVAC
systems... LOL


read above


No, that's just more bull****...

I want the facts...

What's that, you have none?