Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?

"jeffc" wrote in message
...
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?
I would paint vs replace trim, if trim is in good condition. Way less work.
I use 409 or Fantastic to degrease the trim.
Then apply alcohol based Zinnzer or Bullseye primer.
Follow instructions on primer, to the letter.
Then lightly sand, and finish coat.
For a smooth finish, freer of brush strokes, and lasting quality, I like to
use oil based (alkyd) top coat.
Roger

On Jun 28, 6:03?am, Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:38:15 -0700, Roger Taylor wrote:
"jeffc" wrote in message
...
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?

I would paint vs replace trim, if trim is in good condition. Way less
work. I use 409 or Fantastic to degrease the trim. Then apply alcohol
based Zinnzer or Bullseye primer. Follow instructions on primer, to the
letter. Then lightly sand, and finish coat.
For a smooth finish, freer of brush strokes, and lasting quality, I like
to use oil based (alkyd) top coat.
Roger

What he said

your better off sanding first espically if the poly is glossy

jeffc wrote:
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim
(polyurethane), and you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you
paint it, or just buy new preprimed trim? If you paint, do you
degloss first, or just put on the primer and then paint over?

Paint

Degloss first
sand
- OR -
use TSP (trisodium phosphate)


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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:25:57 -0400, "jeffc" wrote:

Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?


Lightly sand the trim. Steel wool may be better if the trim has
crevices. Wipe off dust with mineral spirits, prime, and paint.
Follow the paint manufacturer's directions. A very light sanding
between coats is a good idea. Use a repair/trouble light to inspect
for drips, sags, etc. Use the best quality paint you can find. Trim
painting takes patience.

In article wFOgi.1290$w2.93@trnddc01, dadiOH says...

jeffc wrote:
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim
(polyurethane), and you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you
paint it, or just buy new preprimed trim? If you paint, do you
degloss first, or just put on the primer and then paint over?

Paint

Degloss first
sand
- OR -
use TSP (trisodium phosphate)

Yep. I'd not sand, I'd use TSP. Wipe down well. Prime (Bin), and paint.

Before I decided to use a redwood color stain after my remodel (gosh did I let
myself in for a project!), I used Ben Moore's White Dove alkyd paint on all
trim; it's a very good off-white for that. The alkyd does tend to yellow where
there is no light (closets, inside of kitchen cabinets) so if I were to do it
again I'd use the latex. Still very nice.

Banty

"jeffc" wrote in message
...
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?

I was out buying baseboard earlier today. The cheapest was 99 cents per
foot (pre-primed fiberboard). By the time you do a whole house, you're
looking at hundreds of dollars. As others said, I would paint what I
already have.

Well, I hear what you're saying about the cost of new trim. But frankly
sanding hundreds of feet of trim all throughout the house sounds like a
major pain in the neck too, especially if it's before and after the first
coat. I think I'm looking at at least 3 coats total, whereas with preprimed
trim it would only be one coat on top (assuming white on white).
Does TSP really work fine rather than sanding/deglossing? Or is it actually
a deglossing agent?
Thanks for the tips.

On Jun 28, 5:28 pm, "jeffc" wrote:
Well, I hear what you're saying about the cost of new trim. But frankly
sanding hundreds of feet of trim all throughout the house sounds like a
major pain in the neck too, especially if it's before and after the first
coat. I think I'm looking at at least 3 coats total, whereas with preprimed
trim it would only be one coat on top (assuming white on white).
Does TSP really work fine rather than sanding/deglossing? Or is it actually
a deglossing agent?
Thanks for the tips.

You must be one heckuva great finish carpenter if you think it is less
work to cut, trim, nail, putty, and possible caulk all that trim after
you pull out all the old trim without damaging plaster or drywall.

JK

On Jun 28, 2:25 am, "jeffc" wrote:
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?

I'll trade you the trim in my house for the trim in your house. I'd
love
to have natural wood trim. It's on our Things to Do list, but pretty
far down.

Frankly, any time I hear of someone painting wood, I think "Vandal!
If you're going to paint it, it might as well be plastic."

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Jun 28, 2:25 am, "jeffc" wrote:
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?

I'll trade you the trim in my house for the trim in your house. I'd
love
to have natural wood trim. It's on our Things to Do list, but pretty
far down.

Frankly, any time I hear of someone painting wood, I think "Vandal!
If you're going to paint it, it might as well be plastic."

Depends on the wood...finger-jointed, paint-grade poplar would look
pretty ugly other than painted...otoh, when I was in VA and restoring
old houses there, most that had been converted to apartments for
sometimes nearly 50 years, finding wide mahogany, walnut, clear pine
raised panel wainscotting having been sawed through for new doorways and
somesuch, "just" 20 layers of paint to strip was relatively minor
desecration to be joyful over...

--

On Jun 28, 2:25 am, "jeffc" wrote:
Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?

I'll trade you the trim in my house for the trim in your house. I'd
love
to have natural wood trim. It's on our Things to Do list, but pretty
far down.

Frankly, any time I hear of someone painting wood, I think "Vandal!
If you're going to paint it, it might as well be plastic."

Cindy Hamilton

jeffc wrote:

Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane), and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?


The simplest solution is always the best, IMHO.

I'd use a liquid deglosser like NoSand, skip the primer, and just paint.

"Bob (but not THAT Bob)" wrote in message
...
jeffc wrote:

Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim (polyurethane),
and
you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just buy new
preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put on the
primer and then paint over?


The simplest solution is always the best, IMHO.

I'd use a liquid deglosser like NoSand, skip the primer, and just paint.
If the trim is hardwood, I'd leave it the hell alone, and decorate around
it. Painting hardwood is a sin, and the next owner may prefer the look of
real wood. (Another 10 years, and normal people won't be able to afford new
real wood trim.) But that is just me. On older houses, first thing people
usually want to do is take X coats of paint off of the interior trim, to get
back to the nice crisp original profiles.

If it is merely pine, a good scuff sanding (physical or chemical) and
degreasing/cleaning should give plenty of tooth for a quality interior trim
paint to stick. I'd do one room at a time- it is going to be a lot more work
than you think it is, sanding/scrubbing/painting in awkward positions,
whilst NOT screwing up the wall and floor surfaces next to it. There is a
reason people went with the harder clear finishes versus paint in the first
place- trim takes a beating, so the less often you need to mess with it, the
better.

aem sends....

YOU HAD BETTER BUY THE ALKYD PAINT NOW,
IT HAS BEEN OUTLAWED AND WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.


wrote in message
ups.com...
| On Jun 28, 6:03?am, Meat Plow wrote:
| On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:38:15 -0700, Roger Taylor wrote:
| "jeffc" wrote in message
| ...
| Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim
(polyurethane), and
| you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just
buy new
| preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put
on the
| primer and then paint over?
|
| I would paint vs replace trim, if trim is in good condition. Way
less
| work. I use 409 or Fantastic to degrease the trim. Then apply
alcohol
| based Zinnzer or Bullseye primer. Follow instructions on primer,
to the
| letter. Then lightly sand, and finish coat.
| For a smooth finish, freer of brush strokes, and lasting quality,
I like
| to use oil based (alkyd) top coat.
| Roger
|
| What he said
|
| your better off sanding first espically if the poly is glossy
|

"tracey" wrote in message
...
| YOU HAD BETTER BUY THE ALKYD PAINT NOW,
| IT HAS BEEN OUTLAWED AND WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.

The problem with oil paints is that as they dry or sit out in the open,
they give off volatile organic compounds, or VOCs, that not only make
the paint smell but interact with sun and heat to create ozone
pollution. Alkyds create 170,000 tons of emissions a day in the
so-called Ozone Transport Region. "It's one of the largest causes of VOC
emissions, and it's comparable to some of the industrial plant sources,"














|
|
| wrote in message
| ups.com...
|| On Jun 28, 6:03?am, Meat Plow wrote:
|| On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:38:15 -0700, Roger Taylor wrote:
|| "jeffc" wrote in message
|| ...
|| Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim
| (polyurethane), and
|| you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or
just
| buy new
|| preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put
| on the
|| primer and then paint over?
||
|| I would paint vs replace trim, if trim is in good condition. Way
| less
|| work. I use 409 or Fantastic to degrease the trim. Then apply
| alcohol
|| based Zinnzer or Bullseye primer. Follow instructions on primer,
| to the
|| letter. Then lightly sand, and finish coat.
|| For a smooth finish, freer of brush strokes, and lasting quality,
| I like
|| to use oil based (alkyd) top coat.
|| Roger
||
|| What he said
||
|| your better off sanding first espically if the poly is glossy
||
|
|

On Jun 30, 4:57 am, "tracey" wrote:
YOU HAD BETTER BUY THE ALKYD PAINT NOW,
IT HAS BEEN OUTLAWED AND WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.

wrote in message

ups.com...
| On Jun 28, 6:03?am, Meat Plow wrote:
| On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:38:15 -0700, Roger Taylor wrote:
| "jeffc" wrote in message
| ...
| Let's say you've got a house full of natural wood trim
(polyurethane), and
| you really want it semi-gloss white. Would you paint it, or just
buy new
| preprimed trim? If you paint, do you degloss first, or just put
on the
| primer and then paint over?
|
| I would paint vs replace trim, if trim is in good condition. Way
less
| work. I use 409 or Fantastic to degrease the trim. Then apply
alcohol
| based Zinnzer or Bullseye primer. Follow instructions on primer,
to the
| letter. Then lightly sand, and finish coat.
| For a smooth finish, freer of brush strokes, and lasting quality,
I like
| to use oil based (alkyd) top coat.
| Roger
|
| What he said
|
| your better off sanding first espically if the poly is glossy
|

NO NEED TO SHOUT!

State your source for this "theory". I use alkyd all the time for
interior trim.

JK

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:19:14 -0000, Big_Jake
wrote:

On Jun 30, 4:57 am, "tracey" wrote:
YOU HAD BETTER BUY THE ALKYD PAINT NOW,
IT HAS BEEN OUTLAWED AND WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.


[...]

What???!!!

Where???!!!

In all states? or which one(s)?

Citation, please?

Aspasia.

"Big_Jake" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 28, 5:28 pm, "jeffc" wrote:
Well, I hear what you're saying about the cost of new trim. But frankly
sanding hundreds of feet of trim all throughout the house sounds like a
major pain in the neck too, especially if it's before and after the first
coat. I think I'm looking at at least 3 coats total, whereas with
preprimed
trim it would only be one coat on top (assuming white on white).
Does TSP really work fine rather than sanding/deglossing? Or is it
actually
a deglossing agent?
Thanks for the tips.

You must be one heckuva great finish carpenter if you think it is less
work to cut, trim, nail, putty, and possible caulk all that trim after
you pull out all the old trim without damaging plaster or drywall.

JK

PLUS the preprimed stuff still needs sanding in my past experience, if you
are going to do a good job, so you would be no further ahead.

Supply of Oil-Based Paint Thins as New Rule Takes Effect
Sale Restrictions Aim to Curb Ozone Pollution

By Margaret Webb Pressler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 24, 2005; A01


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...301644_pf.html



Similar rules have been in effect for a while in California, and
restrictive oil-paint laws are being crafted in many northern states.
But the mid-Atlantic region has not made as much progress reducing
overall pollution as New England has, so the paint restrictions kicked
in first in this area. Since Jan. 1, stores in the District, Northern
Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware and New York have not been
able to order most of the oil-based paints commonly used in household
and commercial applications.
























aspasia wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:19:14 -0000, Big_Jake
| wrote:
|
| On Jun 30, 4:57 am, "tracey" wrote:
| YOU HAD BETTER BUY THE ALKYD PAINT NOW,
| IT HAS BEEN OUTLAWED AND WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.
|
|
| [...]
|
| What???!!!
|
| Where???!!!
|
| In all states? or which one(s)?
|
| Citation, please?
|
| Aspasia.
|

On Jul 1, 6:01 am, "tracey" wrote:
Supply of Oil-Based Paint Thins as New Rule Takes Effect
Sale Restrictions Aim to Curb Ozone Pollution

By Margaret Webb Pressler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 24, 2005; A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...05/05/23/AR200...

Similar rules have been in effect for a while in California, and
restrictive oil-paint laws are being crafted in many northern states.
But the mid-Atlantic region has not made as much progress reducing
overall pollution as New England has, so the paint restrictions kicked
in first in this area. Since Jan. 1, stores in the District, Northern
Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware and New York have not been
able to order most of the oil-based paints commonly used in household
and commercial applications.

aspasia wrote in message

...
| On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:19:14 -0000, Big_Jake| wrote:

|
| On Jun 30, 4:57 am, "tracey" wrote:
| YOU HAD BETTER BUY THE ALKYD PAINT NOW,
| IT HAS BEEN OUTLAWED AND WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.
|
|
| [...]
|
| What???!!!
|
| Where???!!!
|
| In all states? or which one(s)?
|
| Citation, please?
|
| Aspasia.
|

Ok, where does it say that, nationwide, it won't be available
anymore? This article is from 2005, and I bought some two weeks ago
from Sherwin Williams.

Per the article, this is in a few northeastern states and California.

JK