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Fence question
I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one
end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? Perce |
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"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message ... I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? Perce There is no good way. Yes, you can use anchors, and drill into the mortar or brick. BUT, brickwork is not known for its strength. Regular settling of the soil is enough to cause brick walls to crack, break, and fall. Holes where water can infiltrate and go through the freeze/thaw cycles are not a good thing. Unless done exactly right, it is incredibly easy to split a brick, or crack the mortar. And even if done right, there is a chance of cracking. I would consider attaching it to the ground. Something like a square tube metal post sunk in concrete. Unless it don't matter, or you are going to sell soon. Steve |
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Fence question
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:47:18 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote: I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? Perce I would try to attach it beyond the brick into wood or concrete with lag screws. If you can dig deep enough (1/3 length of the post), I would also consider just using driveway chips (thin sliced stones) tamped around the post. Regards Dale |
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Fence question
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:47:18 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote: I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a My 42 inch picket fence, built by a major fence company around here, Long Fence, with 3 locations in Baltimore and Washington, is not attached to the wall at all. The first post is right next to the wall and afaict inserted just the way the other posts are, and definitely not connected to the house. FWIW It has 4" diameter round posts. It hasn't moved in 28 years. 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? Perce |
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:47:18 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote: I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a When I said "right next" I meant within a half inch, maybe within a quarter inch, iirc, but I don't know why it would have to be that close. The fence was built before I bought the house. I've repaired my neighbor's fence, and his posts are square, by a different company, and I'm pretty sure that his post is not attached to his house either. |
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Fence question
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? If the brickwork is super-sturdy, I'd attach to that. I have a wooden fence attached to the brickwork of the garage. Absent a sound brick fence... It's likely you won't be able to place a post right next to the brick fence because the brick fence may have a substantial below-ground foundation. So, put the final post one or two feet from the brick fence and extend the pickets with suitable bracing until they butt against the brick. |
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? Perce You did not say if the brick work is a brick facing or a structural brick. If it is a facing I would not really like the idea of trying to tie in the fence. Even if it were structural brick I would not do it that way. In fact I was faced with that problem and I did not do it that way. I just placed the post close to but not touching the brick. That post and the brick and the fence are still there 40 years later. I have moved but the fence has not. -- Joseph Meehan Dia 's Muire duit |
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Fence question -- Additional information
On 03/22/07 10:47 pm I wrote:
I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? 1. The brickwork in question is what I would have called the "chimney-breast," but I see that that term is used primarily of brickwork that projects *into* the room. This is brickwork projecting out from the wall. The idea is to have an enclosed area behind this to prevent unauthorized access to an amateur radio antenna tower and a generator. 2. There is a French drain, so there is no way to install a regular in-ground fence post at that end. From the responses already given, it seems that the best thing might be to put a regular fence post as close as possible to the brickwork -- about 2ft out -- with the short fence panel between that post and the brickwork not needing a whole lot of support at the chimney end. But I'll have to think about the aesthetic aspect. Perce |
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Fence question
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:37:19 -0400, mm
wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:47:18 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: I am planning to install a fence that will attach to brickwork at one end, but I am not sure what is the best way to attach it. The options I see a My 42 inch picket fence, built by a major fence company around here, Long Fence, with 3 locations in Baltimore and Washington, is not attached to the wall at all. The first post is right next to the wall and afaict inserted just the way the other posts are, and definitely not connected to the house. FWIW It has 4" diameter round posts. It hasn't moved in 28 years. I have a brick house, just had most of my wooden fence replaced. It gets very close to the brick but is not attached. A post (set in concrete) is located a few inches from the wall, with boards nearly touching the wall (these are whole boards, so I guess they started there. 1. Use a regular 4x4 fence post attached to the wall; 2. Use a skinnier piece of wood attached to the wall; (And in the two cases above, which is the best way to attach the wood to the brick wall? Adhesive or bolts/screws?) 3. Attach the recommended metal brackets directly to the brick wall -- presumably with bolts or screws. Have I missed anything? What are the pros and cons of each method? Perce -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "God was invented by man for a reason, that reason is no longer applicable." |
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Fence question -- Additional information
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
1. The brickwork in question is what I would have called the "chimney-breast," but I see that that term is used primarily of brickwork that projects *into* the room. This is brickwork projecting out from the wall. The idea is to have an enclosed area behind this to prevent unauthorized access to an amateur radio antenna tower and a generator. 2. There is a French drain, so there is no way to install a regular in-ground fence post at that end. From the responses already given, it seems that the best thing might be to put a regular fence post as close as possible to the brickwork -- about 2ft out -- with the short fence panel between that post and the brickwork not needing a whole lot of support at the chimney end. But I'll have to think about the aesthetic aspect. Your generator and antenna care what the inside of the fence look like? R |
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Fence question
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:17:07 -0400, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote: You did not say if the brick work is a brick facing or a structural brick. If it is a facing I would not really like the idea of trying to tie in the fence. Even if it were structural brick I would not do it that way. In fact I was faced with that problem and I did not do it that way. I just placed the post close to but not touching the brick. That post and the brick and the fence are still there 40 years later. I have moved but the fence has not. If it were a really good fence, it would have followed you to your new home. There is not only the issue of weathering, but if something big bumps into the fence, it can take part of the brickwork down too. |
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"mm" wrote in message news On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:17:07 -0400, "Joseph Meehan" wrote: You did not say if the brick work is a brick facing or a structural brick. If it is a facing I would not really like the idea of trying to tie in the fence. Even if it were structural brick I would not do it that way. In fact I was faced with that problem and I did not do it that way. I just placed the post close to but not touching the brick. That post and the brick and the fence are still there 40 years later. I have moved but the fence has not. If it were a really good fence, it would have followed you to your new home. There is not only the issue of weathering, but if something big bumps into the fence, it can take part of the brickwork down too. Yepper. You DO NOT attach fences to the house. Houses are forever- fences are temporary structures. aem sends.... |
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Fence question -- Additional information
"RicodJour" wrote in message oups.com... Percival P. Cassidy wrote: 1. The brickwork in question is what I would have called the "chimney-breast," but I see that that term is used primarily of brickwork that projects *into* the room. This is brickwork projecting out from the wall. The idea is to have an enclosed area behind this to prevent unauthorized access to an amateur radio antenna tower and a generator. 2. There is a French drain, so there is no way to install a regular in-ground fence post at that end. From the responses already given, it seems that the best thing might be to put a regular fence post as close as possible to the brickwork -- about 2ft out -- with the short fence panel between that post and the brickwork not needing a whole lot of support at the chimney end. But I'll have to think about the aesthetic aspect. Your generator and antenna care what the inside of the fence look like? How big does this enclosed area need to be? I'm seeing something the size of a dog pen, maybe? Yes, hold the posts back from the house. A 2-foot fence panel can hang from one edge, you just need something to keep it from flapping in the wind. Maybe a second post a foot or two inside the perimeter, and create a triangular box section with the two posts, the house end of short panel, and suitable braces between the three vertical edges. Same concept as your antenna tower. For a six foot tall 2 feet wide fence panel, it would only take a few rails on the 2 hidden sides- make sure the lower one is high enough to make trimming the grass under it easy. aem sends... |
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