First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

it depends on which althvac pro it is

(m Ransley) writes:
it depends on which althvac pro it is

As I said, this is targeted only at those whose only contribution to
the newsgroup is hot air...

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:19:14 GMT, blueman3333
wrote:

First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Better question - how many people that post as 'Blueman' does
it take to **** up their own furnace by messing with **** they don't
understand, spend a week trying to figure out what the hell they did,
and then gloat about it ?

You ****ing asshole .......


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I top posted just to **** them off even more!

I know exactly what you mean. That was pretty damn funny, and spot on too!

"blueman3333" wrote in message
...
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

blueman3333 wrote:
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

You forgot the one about:

If you sought out opinions and recommendations of others so that you
hired a "Qualified and reputable technician," it is YOUR fault if HE
does crummy work. After all, YOU should not have fallen for those
recommendations or HIS promises!!! Least of all, You should NOT have
posted in a news group populated by professionals so that you don't make
such a mistake.

I guess you should have used a Ouija board? (To those who try to be
helpful, you ARE appreciated.) Unfortunately there are not enough of
you in this NG. It is no wonder homeowners are willing to try to fix
their own systems before calling a pro. They have little confidence in
being treated fairly, and many of the "Pros" in this NG explain why that
is the case. All one has to do is read how some of them sell items not
needed or charge for items not delivered.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
blueman3333 wrote:
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

You forgot the one about:

If you sought out opinions and recommendations of others so that you hired
a "Qualified and reputable technician," it is YOUR fault if HE does crummy
work. After all, YOU should not have fallen for those recommendations or
HIS promises!!! Least of all, You should NOT have posted in a news group
populated by professionals so that you don't make such a mistake.

I guess you should have used a Ouija board? (To those who try to be
helpful, you ARE appreciated.) Unfortunately there are not enough of you
in this NG. It is no wonder homeowners are willing to try to fix their
own systems before calling a pro. They have little confidence in being
treated fairly, and many of the "Pros" in this NG explain why that is the
case. All one has to do is read how some of them sell items not needed or
charge for items not delivered.

Actually all one needs to to is find a Pro, and not the lowest bidder, or
the one with the biggest company ,or the biggest YP ad.
Is the actual technician doing the work a certified Master (or even
jorneyman)Technician?? Is he/she Nate certified?? When was the last formal
training they attended?? Are they certified to use the new refrigerant(s)??

You ask these same type of questions of Doctors, Lawyers, and other
"professionals", why are you not asking these types of questions of those
you are trusting to work on the single most expensive appliance in your
home?? Even automotive mechanics have their certificates in frames on the
wall in their shop. We as HVAC technicians, are bringing our shop to you(the
customer), so we don't have a shop wall for you to see all the education and
training certificates. If in your ignorance, you don't ask about the
technician's qualifications, certifications, and training, then thats on
you, not the schmuck that shows up on your door step. In your ignorance, if
you don't ask, how do you know that the guy that just showed up on your
doorstep didn't "almost graduate from high school"?? (I have guys like this
calling me asking for a job as a tech, I tell them to go back to school).

As far as ALT.HVAC, when you come in here and ask a question, *most* of the
time, depending on the question, you will be to call a tech because we can't
*SEE* your particular furnace or heat pump or a/c through the computer
screen. 99.99% of the time you haven't bothered to do your homework and
search the archives to see that your same question has been asked hundreds
of times over the last 10 years. You will probably find that 99% of the time
when somebody is told to call their local tech, they get ****y about it just
the same way that you did because it wasn't what they wanted to hear. FWIW,
I have given up trying to reply privately because I am tired of typing a
lengthy reply of whats *probably* the cause, and how to correct the problem
only to have it bounce back because a bogus e-mail address.

You can joke all you want... but its your own ignorance that is the root
cause of your dissatisfaction with the HVAC trade. If you really want to
know, and see, first hand what a true professional HVAC technician does, and
how they work, I'm sure that there are several owners/master technicians
that would welcome you to ride along for a day....myself included.

Now its your choice.... you can put up, or shut up.

Either way, please go away

Blueman, you're right on the money about the alt.hvac forum, all those
guys do is belittle everyone else. They often say that the alt.hvac
forum is for "professionals", but then they do nothing but drop the "F"
bomb on everyone and say you're an idiot, how professional is that?
(see Paul's post above for example),

The alt.hvac forum has turned into a sandbox for these "professionals"
to throw mud at unsuspecting people posting with legit questions. They
really do the HVAC industry a disservice.

On 17 Jan 2007 09:08:18 -0800, wrote:

Blueman, you're right on the money about the alt.hvac forum, all those
guys do is belittle everyone else. They often say that the alt.hvac
forum is for "professionals", but then they do nothing but drop the "F"
bomb on everyone and say you're an idiot, how professional is that?
(see Paul's post above for example),

'The F bomb' ???

What the **** is this , ****ing kindergarden ? We can't
****ing use ****ing dirty words like ****, ****, ****, ****, and the
others ?



The alt.hvac forum has turned into a sandbox for these "professionals"
to throw mud at unsuspecting people posting with legit questions. They
really do the HVAC industry a disservice.

You ****ing asshole, the forum is not for home-moaners and
DIY'rs to get freebie advice, get over it.


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Paul, I stand by my original assertion that swearing at people you
don't know in a public forum is unprofessional, your reply helps
bolster my position. Good luck to you and your fellow "professionals"
over at alt.hvac.

To anyone who does have an interest or questions concerning their HVAC
system I recommend this site:

http://www.heatinghelp.com

There are several tutorials covering various heating systems along with
forums that one can post questions. Answers provided often do
recommend getting in touch with a local tradesman, but never in an
arrogant manner.

Which reminds me....

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/temp/screwing.gif

Jeff

--
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

writes:
Blueman, you're right on the money about the alt.hvac forum, all those
guys do is belittle everyone else. They often say that the alt.hvac
forum is for "professionals", but then they do nothing but drop the "F"
bomb on everyone and say you're an idiot, how professional is that?
(see Paul's post above for example),

The alt.hvac forum has turned into a sandbox for these "professionals"
to throw mud at unsuspecting people posting with legit questions. They
really do the HVAC industry a disservice.

Agreed.
The evil side of me though is thinking of making this one of my
regular newsgroups and pitching a new "innocent" question every day...
Should be fun to see them respond to the bait like Pavlov's dogs...
Worse comes to worse, they just iggie me in which case next time I ask
a real question, I won't have to wade through their waste-of-bandwidth
replies.

I also really love the one about how "this is a professionals only
newsgroup" -- well, duh -- this is USENET and groups unless moderated
are open to everyone... Also, talking about "cheap *******s", if they
want their own private sandbox to pee in, then why don't they each
pitch in a dollar a month and get their own hosted site. But then
again, you can't buy web hosting with food stamps and these unemployed
so-called tech's probably need to save their last pennies for their
weekly sunday six-pack.

blueman3333 wrote:
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

That's funny stuff, blueman, and I understand what drove you to write
it. Careful who you trash, though. It's not like that for an entire
trade. In fact, I'd venture to say that most aren't like that, but
that's not based on much more than a hunch. People on newsgroups like
to know a lot of things and also like to be right when the other guy is
wrong. You can read though some of the flame wars to see that. In
fact, it's why I post when I do - it's just fun being the expert
sometimes.

People in newsgroups, however, aren't a good sampling of the population
at large. My wife wanted a digital programmable thermostat to replace
the original one on her heat pump at her business. Replacing a
thermostat is something I've done a million times -- couple low voltage
wires and a few screws. No fuss no muss.

The next day when the HVAC guy came out to replace the inverter(?) I
blew by crossing two hot wires; he couldn't have been nicer about it.
"Happens all the time," he explained. "They should print warnings -
you had no way to know. Next time, just call us first before altering
the system. I can tell you what to watch out for over the phone." He
worked quickly, only charged a modest fee above the cost of the part
($80 for the visit or something like that), and was on his way. The
encounter left me feeling a bit better as I walked around putting the
space heaters away.



blueman3333 wrote:
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

Noon-Air wrote in message ...

As far as ALT.HVAC, when you come in here and ask a question, *most* of
the
time, depending on the question, you will be to call a tech because we
can't
*SEE* your particular furnace or heat pump or a/c through the computer
screen. 99.99% of the time you haven't bothered to do your homework and
search the archives to see that your same question has been asked
hundreds
of times over the last 10 years. You will probably find that 99% of the
time
when somebody is told to call their local tech, they get ****y about it
just
the same way that you did because it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
FWIW,
I have given up trying to reply privately because I am tired of typing
a
lengthy reply of whats *probably* the cause, and how to correct the
problem
only to have it bounce back because a bogus e-mail address.

I can truly understand your point, I just don't see the necessity of all
the name calling that came from a simple question by blueman. A simple
"we don't care to answer that in this newsgroup" would suffice, instead
some of you act like "crazies." You're about the first one to respond in
a logical manner. I appreciate that.

Cheri

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom writes:
Noon-Air wrote in message ...

As far as ALT.HVAC, when you come in here and ask a question, *most* of
the
time, depending on the question, you will be to call a tech because we
can't
*SEE* your particular furnace or heat pump or a/c through the computer
screen. 99.99% of the time you haven't bothered to do your homework and
search the archives to see that your same question has been asked
hundreds
of times over the last 10 years. You will probably find that 99% of the
time
when somebody is told to call their local tech, they get ****y about it
just
the same way that you did because it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
FWIW,
I have given up trying to reply privately because I am tired of typing
a
lengthy reply of whats *probably* the cause, and how to correct the
problem
only to have it bounce back because a bogus e-mail address.

I can truly understand your point, I just don't see the necessity of all
the name calling that came from a simple question by blueman. A simple
"we don't care to answer that in this newsgroup" would suffice, instead
some of you act like "crazies." You're about the first one to respond in
a logical manner. I appreciate that.

Cheri

I agree -- no one is forced to answer any questions on USENET. Heck,
every day I see plenty of questions on newsgroups that either I don't
know the answer to or don't care to answer. I would have to be pretty
desperately unemployed to waste my time responding to every posting
that I didn't want to respond to in the first place with a tirade.

The funny thing is that if their real intention is to avoid non-pro
clutter on the alt.hvac newsgroup then they have truly achieved the
opposite. Here we have a thread of maybe a 100 posts (95% of them
childish name calling and tirades) that surely is obscuring any true
pro-to-pro conversation. Believe me, if no one had responded to my
post, I wouldn't be sitting here responding to a vacuum. The
signal-to-noise ratio has got to be one of the lowest on USENET and
that is saying a LOT. All those "pros" must really be proud of the
level of discourse here... Hmmm, makes you really envy all those
"lucky" people in the HVAC profession -- NOT!

"trbo20" writes:
That's funny stuff, blueman, and I understand what drove you to write
it. Careful who you trash, though. It's not like that for an entire
trade. In fact, I'd venture to say that most aren't like that, but
that's not based on much more than a hunch. People on newsgroups like
to know a lot of things and also like to be right when the other guy is
wrong. You can read though some of the flame wars to see that. In
fact, it's why I post when I do - it's just fun being the expert
sometimes.


You are absolutely right -- My sarcasm is really only aimed at the bad
apples who seem to disproportionately hang out in alt.hvac. I have
nothing against any fine professional of any trade. In fact, I'm sure
given our old house that I pay more than my fair share of service
bills; however, I do like to fix the small and relatively simple
things myself, saving my service dollars for the bigger jobs that I
cannot or do not want to do myself. However, in the alt.hvac reality
that seems to be some type of heinous crime

blueman wrote:
"trbo20" writes:
That's funny stuff, blueman, and I understand what drove you to write
it. Careful who you trash, though. It's not like that for an entire
trade. In fact, I'd venture to say that most aren't like that, but
that's not based on much more than a hunch. People on newsgroups like
to know a lot of things and also like to be right when the other guy is
wrong. You can read though some of the flame wars to see that. In
fact, it's why I post when I do - it's just fun being the expert
sometimes.


You are absolutely right -- My sarcasm is really only aimed at the bad
apples who seem to disproportionately hang out in alt.hvac. I have
nothing against any fine professional of any trade. In fact, I'm sure
given our old house that I pay more than my fair share of service
bills; however, I do like to fix the small and relatively simple
things myself, saving my service dollars for the bigger jobs that I
cannot or do not want to do myself. However, in the alt.hvac reality
that seems to be some type of heinous crime

Cross post to alt.hvac removed.

Please don't start a flame war between AHR and the flex duct boys in
alt.hvac by crossposting to this NG. The unwritten rule has been that
they don't **** in our sandbox and we don't **** in their's. It's a
given that alt.hvac is _the_ asshole of Usenet. If you have a beef
with _them_, stop posting about it in AHR and take it to their
worthless NG. If you want a good laugh, though, check out the posts in
alt.hvac for last June, 2006 when they ****ed off the wrong
"homemoaner." I don't have anything good to say about them other than
I do respect the fact that they don't come over here and stir things up.

"volts500" wrote in message
ups.com...
blueman wrote:
"trbo20" writes:
That's funny stuff, blueman, and I understand what drove you to write
it. Careful who you trash, though. It's not like that for an entire
trade. In fact, I'd venture to say that most aren't like that, but
that's not based on much more than a hunch. People on newsgroups like
to know a lot of things and also like to be right when the other guy is
wrong. You can read though some of the flame wars to see that. In
fact, it's why I post when I do - it's just fun being the expert
sometimes.


You are absolutely right -- My sarcasm is really only aimed at the bad
apples who seem to disproportionately hang out in alt.hvac. I have
nothing against any fine professional of any trade. In fact, I'm sure
given our old house that I pay more than my fair share of service
bills; however, I do like to fix the small and relatively simple
things myself, saving my service dollars for the bigger jobs that I
cannot or do not want to do myself. However, in the alt.hvac reality
that seems to be some type of heinous crime

Cross post to alt.hvac removed.

Please don't start a flame war between AHR and the flex duct boys in
alt.hvac by crossposting to this NG. The unwritten rule has been that
they don't **** in our sandbox and we don't **** in their's. It's a
given that alt.hvac is _the_ asshole of Usenet.

No, that would be comp.lang.c, alt.hvac is the stuff that comes out of the
asshole. Please try to keep it straight.

If you have a beef
with _them_, stop posting about it in AHR and take it to their
worthless NG. If you want a good laugh, though, check out the posts in
alt.hvac for last June, 2006 when they ****ed off the wrong
"homemoaner." I don't have anything good to say about them other than
I do respect the fact that they don't come over here and stir things up.

"volts500" writes:
blueman wrote:
"trbo20" writes:
That's funny stuff, blueman, and I understand what drove you to write
it. Careful who you trash, though. It's not like that for an entire
trade. In fact, I'd venture to say that most aren't like that, but
that's not based on much more than a hunch. People on newsgroups like
to know a lot of things and also like to be right when the other guy is
wrong. You can read though some of the flame wars to see that. In
fact, it's why I post when I do - it's just fun being the expert
sometimes.


You are absolutely right -- My sarcasm is really only aimed at the bad
apples who seem to disproportionately hang out in alt.hvac. I have
nothing against any fine professional of any trade. In fact, I'm sure
given our old house that I pay more than my fair share of service
bills; however, I do like to fix the small and relatively simple
things myself, saving my service dollars for the bigger jobs that I
cannot or do not want to do myself. However, in the alt.hvac reality
that seems to be some type of heinous crime

Cross post to alt.hvac removed.

Please don't start a flame war between AHR and the flex duct boys in
alt.hvac by crossposting to this NG. The unwritten rule has been that
they don't **** in our sandbox and we don't **** in their's. It's a
given that alt.hvac is _the_ asshole of Usenet. If you have a beef
with _them_, stop posting about it in AHR and take it to their
worthless NG. If you want a good laugh, though, check out the posts in
alt.hvac for last June, 2006 when they ****ed off the wrong
"homemoaner." I don't have anything good to say about them other than
I do respect the fact that they don't come over here and stir things up.

Point taken...
Would love to ook up the June 2006 post if it is funny.
Any link or keywords to search on -- there are something like 20K
posts archived in Google for June 2006 -- most seem to be spam (or
maybe that is what you mean by ****ing off the wrong homeowner)...

Thanks

Yeah, the best thing is how much this is ****ing them all off.
I haven't had this much fun in a long time...
BTW eigenvector, I have been following ur posts in a.h.r and admire
the initiative u show and your willingness to learn...

"Eigenvector" writes:
I top posted just to **** them off even more!

I know exactly what you mean. That was pretty damn funny, and spot on too!

"blueman3333" wrote in message
...
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

"Eigenvector" writes:
Please don't start a flame war between AHR and the flex duct boys in
alt.hvac by crossposting to this NG. The unwritten rule has been that
they don't **** in our sandbox and we don't **** in their's. It's a
given that alt.hvac is _the_ asshole of Usenet.

No, that would be comp.lang.c, alt.hvac is the stuff that comes out of the
asshole. Please try to keep it straight.


Just out of curiousity, please explain the referenceto comp.lang.c
Thanks

blueman3333 wrote



1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood

In your case, it would be prudent to take a night school course in light-
bulb extraction...


--
Respectfully, Bob

blueman wrote



BTW eigenvector, I have been following ur posts in a.h.r and admire
the initiative u show and your willingness to learn...


Maybe you too should get together some night
and watch Brokeback Mountain...


--
Respectfully, Bob

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:31:39 GMT, blueman wrote:

"Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom writes:
Noon-Air wrote in message ...

As far as ALT.HVAC, when you come in here and ask a question, *most* of
the
time, depending on the question, you will be to call a tech because we
can't
*SEE* your particular furnace or heat pump or a/c through the computer
screen. 99.99% of the time you haven't bothered to do your homework and
search the archives to see that your same question has been asked
hundreds
of times over the last 10 years. You will probably find that 99% of the
time
when somebody is told to call their local tech, they get ****y about it
just
the same way that you did because it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
FWIW,
I have given up trying to reply privately because I am tired of typing
a
lengthy reply of whats *probably* the cause, and how to correct the
problem
only to have it bounce back because a bogus e-mail address.

I can truly understand your point, I just don't see the necessity of all
the name calling that came from a simple question by blueman. A simple
"we don't care to answer that in this newsgroup" would suffice, instead
some of you act like "crazies." You're about the first one to respond in
a logical manner. I appreciate that.

Cheri

I agree -- no one is forced to answer any questions on USENET. Heck,
every day I see plenty of questions on newsgroups that either I don't
know the answer to or don't care to answer. I would have to be pretty
desperately unemployed to waste my time responding to every posting
that I didn't want to respond to in the first place with a tirade.

The funny thing is that if their real intention is to avoid non-pro
clutter on the alt.hvac newsgroup then they have truly achieved the
opposite. Here we have a thread of maybe a 100 posts (95% of them
childish name calling and tirades) that surely is obscuring any true
pro-to-pro conversation. Believe me, if no one had responded to my
post, I wouldn't be sitting here responding to a vacuum. The
signal-to-noise ratio has got to be one of the lowest on USENET and
that is saying a LOT. All those "pros" must really be proud of the
level of discourse here... Hmmm, makes you really envy all those
"lucky" people in the HVAC profession -- NOT!

**** off, asshole.


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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:36:36 GMT, blueman wrote:

"trbo20" writes:
That's funny stuff, blueman, and I understand what drove you to write
it. Careful who you trash, though. It's not like that for an entire
trade. In fact, I'd venture to say that most aren't like that, but
that's not based on much more than a hunch. People on newsgroups like
to know a lot of things and also like to be right when the other guy is
wrong. You can read though some of the flame wars to see that. In
fact, it's why I post when I do - it's just fun being the expert
sometimes.


You are absolutely right -- My sarcasm is really only aimed at the bad
apples who seem to disproportionately hang out in alt.hvac. I have
nothing against any fine professional of any trade. In fact, I'm sure
given our old house that I pay more than my fair share of service
bills; however, I do like to fix the small and relatively simple
things myself, saving my service dollars for the bigger jobs that I
cannot or do not want to do myself. However, in the alt.hvac reality
that seems to be some type of heinous crime

**** off, asshole


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blueman wrote:

If you want a good laugh, though, check out the posts in
alt.hvac for last June, 2006 when they ****ed off the wrong
"homemoaner." I don't have anything good to say about them other than
I do respect the fact that they don't come over here and stir things up.

Point taken...
Would love to ook up the June 2006 post if it is funny.
Any link or keywords to search on -- there are something like 20K
posts archived in Google for June 2006 -- most seem to be spam (or
maybe that is what you mean by ****ing off the wrong homeowner)...

Thanks

Yep, 27,299 posts to be exact. Sorry, I forgot that the NG was
rendered useless for awhile and it's almost impossible to sort it all
out. The "group polution" thread might be a good place to start:

http://tinyurl.com/37mg7p

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:31:44 GMT, blueman wrote:

"Eigenvector" writes:
Please don't start a flame war between AHR and the flex duct boys in
alt.hvac by crossposting to this NG. The unwritten rule has been that
they don't **** in our sandbox and we don't **** in their's. It's a
given that alt.hvac is _the_ asshole of Usenet.

Go **** yourself, faggot.



No, that would be comp.lang.c, alt.hvac is the stuff that comes out of the
asshole. Please try to keep it straight.


Just out of curiousity, please explain the referenceto comp.lang.c
Thanks

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'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:28:07 GMT, blueman wrote:

**** off, faggot


Yeah, the best thing is how much this is ****ing them all off.
I haven't had this much fun in a long time...
BTW eigenvector, I have been following ur posts in a.h.r and admire
the initiative u show and your willingness to learn...

"Eigenvector" writes:
I top posted just to **** them off even more!

I know exactly what you mean. That was pretty damn funny, and spot on too!

"blueman3333" wrote in message
...
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

wrote:

snip profanity

Indications of latent homosexuality noted.

--
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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

"Bob_Loblaw" wrote in message
...

In your case, it would be prudent to take a night school course in light-
bulb extraction...


Gerbil extraction would be better in his case..

--

blueman wrote:

Yeah, the best thing is how much this is ****ing them all off.
I haven't had this much fun in a long time...

snip

Some of those guys definitely need to start doing some walking:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2368898.shtml

--
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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

"blueman" wrote in message
...
Yeah, the best thing is how much this is ****ing them all off.
I haven't had this much fun in a long time...
BTW eigenvector, I have been following ur posts in a.h.r and admire
the initiative u show and your willingness to learn...

I'm not quite sure the people in this group would agree with you. I don't
make apologies for myself, but even I recognize that I produce an incredible
volume of posts.


"Eigenvector" writes:
I top posted just to **** them off even more!

I know exactly what you mean. That was pretty damn funny, and spot on
too!

"blueman3333" wrote in message
...
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:39:51 GMT, CJT wrote:

blueman wrote:

Yeah, the best thing is how much this is ****ing them all off.
I haven't had this much fun in a long time...

snip

Some of those guys definitely need to start doing some walking:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2368898.shtml

**** off.


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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

blueman3333 posted for all of us...


First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Question: How many blewmen does it take to fill a mental ward?

A: Only one with this many personalities and no meds.
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blueman posted for all of us...

BTW eigenvector, I have been following ur posts in a.h.r and admire
the initiative u show and your willingness to learn...

Yeah, you and I got no vector are a lot alike; stupid, unteachable, unwilling
and lazy.
--
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Bob_Loblaw posted for all of us...


In your case, it would be prudent to take a night school course in light-
bulb extraction...

The pieces from new one would get caught on the old one still up there...
--
Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service.

"Bob_Loblaw" writes:
blueman3333 wrote



1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood

In your case, it would be prudent to take a night school course in light-
bulb extraction...


--
Respectfully, Bob

Nahh, I'll let you take it out of your ass yourself

So, are you the guy that paid $80 to an HVAC technician to change your
furnace filter?


"blueman3333" wrote in message
...
First, my apologies though to the decent people on this newsgroup (and
you know who you are)...

Answer #1:
None you blankety-blank-stupid homeowner - they don't screw lightbulbs
-- they just screw customers...

Answer #2:
TEN
1 to berate the customer about how dangerous it is to change a
lightbulb since there is electricity inside the socket and he could
burn down the house or maybe even the whole neighborhood
1 to tell the homeowner how unqualified he is to even attempt to do so
1 to brag about all the certification, training, and years of
experience they have in light-bulb changing
1 to just berate the customer and curse at him for even asking a
question
1 to assume that since the customer is asking a question, he must be
"cheap"
1 to talk about how already by Wednesday night they have put in
more than 40 hours of light-bulb changing so they don't have time
to help anybody.
1 to tell the customer that he shouldn't even be asking any questions
but should immediately call a repair tech anytime a light bulb
burns out
1 to say that not only is a tech needed for changing
a lightbulb but that legally homeowners should be calling a tech
each time they decide to turn on and off the light bulb
1 to warn how no light-bulb changing technician would ever want
to work for the diy'er since he is such a fill in the blank insult
1 to spout useless, irrelevant (and wrong) pseudo-technical
misinformation about how to fix a doorbell

So you say but these 10 alt.hvac "pros" still haven't actually changed
the lightbulb -- no problem. The homeowner just changes it himself
since you really don't need an arrogant, trailer-trash alt.hvac tech
to change a light bulb!

"blueman" wrote in message
...




.. Here we have a thread of maybe a 100 posts (95% of them
| childish name calling and tirades) that surely is obscuring any true
| pro-to-pro conversation.


Ironic isn't it, that 95% of those posts are yours, and since when do you
earn the title of pro?