my son just bought a house with a FORD
refrigerator....................
the refrigerator side opens VERY easily, will this be a problem?
it seems to be holding the cold in just fine.

thanks,
rosie

"rosie read n' post" wrote in message
...
my son just bought a house with a FORD
refrigerator....................
the refrigerator side opens VERY easily, will this be a problem?
it seems to be holding the cold in just fine.

thanks,
rosie


This is Turtle.

Yes, They were very popular years back but called Ford Philco but later on just
known as Philco. Ford Auto owned Philco and just put their name on it.

TURTLE

....
Yes, They were very popular years back but called Ford Philco but later on just
known as Philco. Ford Auto owned Philco and just put their name on it.

Philco was around independent far before being bought them...

Philco was the manufacturer of a line of high-end scientific-use
(primarily) computers in the early mainframe days along w/ their many
end-user products...

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
...
Yes, They were very popular years back but called Ford Philco but later on
just
known as Philco. Ford Auto owned Philco and just put their name on it.

Philco was around independent far before being bought them...

Philco was the manufacturer of a line of high-end scientific-use
(primarily) computers in the early mainframe days along w/ their many
end-user products...

This is Turtle.

I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making refrigerators. Your
speaking total history which I don't really know about.

TURTLE

This is Turtle.

I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making
refrigerators. Your
speaking total history which I don't really know about.


Turtle,

This isn't one of those REALLY old models that used the equivalant of
cyanide gas instead of freon, is it? Seems I recall reading somewhere
that there was a point in time when fridges were killing people if the
thing sprunk a leak.

Matt

rosie read n' post wrote:
my son just bought a house with a FORD
refrigerator....................

No, I had not heard that news.


the refrigerator side opens VERY easily, will this be a problem?

Magic 8-Ball says "Ask Again later"


it seems to be holding the cold in just fine.

That's weird. Usually refrigerators keep the heat out. Odd.


thanks,
rosie

You're welcome!!!!



Joe

TURTLE wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
...
Yes, They were very popular years back but called Ford Philco but later on
just
known as Philco. Ford Auto owned Philco and just put their name on it.

Philco was around independent far before being bought them...

Philco was the manufacturer of a line of high-end scientific-use
(primarily) computers in the early mainframe days along w/ their many
end-user products...

This is Turtle.

I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making refrigerators. Your
speaking total history which I don't really know about.

Your post sorta' turned the history around...you said "Ford Philco but
later on just
known as Philco.". I'm pointing out it was the other-way
'round...Philco was around for a long time before being purchased by
Ford, so the name of Philco was common name long before there was a
"Philco Ford" branding...I was just trying to give you some historical
context.

Philco was sorta' like a smaller GE in those days....not quite as
diverse, but a major player in many areas.

I wonder if I could get a Chevy to go with my Chevy, good idea Ford
friges park it next to your Ford

Matt wrote:

This is Turtle.

I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making
refrigerators. Your
speaking total history which I don't really know about.
....

A very brief overview which doesn't talk of the diversification beyond
the initial batteries, etc., into much more than radios, etc.

http://www.philcoradio.com/history.htm

Took a little longer, but here's a link to some promotional pictures of
the Philco 2000...similar to first machine I worked on out of school.
The particular one had 27(!) 7-track tape drives (this was before
even drum storage, what more disks...)

http://www.luminquest.com/HOC/PhilcoTransact.htm

I found in brief looking very little of the rest of Philco's product
lines in their heyday...

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

A very brief overview which doesn't talk of the diversification beyond
the initial batteries, etc., into much more than radios, etc.

http://www.philcoradio.com/history.htm

Took a little longer, but here's a link to some promotional pictures of
the Philco 2000...similar to first machine I worked on out of school.
The particular one had 27(!) 7-track tape drives (this was before
even drum storage, what more disks...)

http://www.luminquest.com/HOC/PhilcoTransact.htm

I found in brief looking very little of the rest of Philco's product
lines in their heyday...

Philco was into all the major appliances. They also made radios for use in
Ford cars. IIRC, they were bought by Ford in the late 60's or early 70's.
The name is still being used. I've seen Philco TVs in K Mart and I've seen
Philco air conditioners made by Frigidaire in their Edison NJ plant (now
also closed)

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message

A very brief overview which doesn't talk of the diversification beyond
the initial batteries, etc., into much more than radios, etc.

http://www.philcoradio.com/history.htm

Took a little longer, but here's a link to some promotional pictures of
the Philco 2000...similar to first machine I worked on out of school.
The particular one had 27(!) 7-track tape drives (this was before
even drum storage, what more disks...)

http://www.luminquest.com/HOC/PhilcoTransact.htm

I found in brief looking very little of the rest of Philco's product
lines in their heyday...

Philco was into all the major appliances. They also made radios for use in
Ford cars. IIRC, they were bought by Ford in the late 60's or early 70's.
The name is still being used. I've seen Philco TVs in K Mart and I've seen
Philco air conditioners made by Frigidaire in their Edison NJ plant (now
also closed)

I was looking for references to the more industrial products and other
non-consumer goods, specifically. They had a pretty broad range of
industrial control equipment, etc., as well as the consumer products
group.

I saw that reference to the Philco name/K-Mart thing in one of the links
I found--it's a licensed usage from Phillips by an off-shore,
apparently.

The purchase was '62 according to one of the sources...although my
recollection was that it was later than that as I'm fairly sure it
wasn't Ford at the time I went to work in '68 for the Philco 2000 (at
least it seemed like I was working for the machine, not the other way
'round more often than not! )...or at least, the 'puter support group
didn't have Ford name associated w/ them until roughly your time frame
as I recollect. Of course, that's beginning to be just a while ago and
my memories are undoubtedly not what they once were...

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
I wonder if I could get a Chevy to go with my Chevy, good idea Ford
friges park it next to your Ford


This is Turtle.

How about a International Havester Gas furnace to go in your home. We installed
them up till the early 1960's. Also how about a International Havester Cooling
system and condenser unit to go with your gas furnace. You could order all your
hvac equipment at the Internationsal Havester tractor place and get your
refrigerator at the Ford Dealership.

TURTLE

TURTLE wrote:
"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...

...

Yes, They were very popular years back but called Ford Philco but later on
just
known as Philco. Ford Auto owned Philco and just put their name on it.

Philco was around independent far before being bought them...

Philco was the manufacturer of a line of high-end scientific-use
(primarily) computers in the early mainframe days along w/ their many
end-user products...


This is Turtle.

I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making refrigerators. Your
speaking total history which I don't really know about.

TURTLE



Don't need to be too cautious Turtle. I don't
know, and don't care, if Philco was first
independent or first owned by Ford. And maybe the
Philco that made scientific instruments isn't even
related to the Philco that Ford owned. They might
have just bought the name.

Ford-Philco was the common name used for radios in
Fords and those car radios said Philco on them way
back when. Heck, in my garage I've got a lousy am
radio sitting on a shelf in my garage; took it out
of my 1973 F250. It says Philco. I imagine that
Ford either no longer owns Philco or sold the name
because some Ford radios just say Ford and some
have no brand on them.

Matt wrote:
This is Turtle.


I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making

refrigerators. Your

speaking total history which I don't really know about.



Turtle,

This isn't one of those REALLY old models that used the equivalant of
cyanide gas instead of freon, is it? Seems I recall reading somewhere
that there was a point in time when fridges were killing people if the
thing sprunk a leak.

Matt


Where do people come up with this crap. Old
electric refrigerators used ammonia and then they
switched to freon. And what does equivalent of
cyanide gas mean? Either they used cyanide or
they didn't. You really think anyone ever put
cyanide in a home product?

I belive they used ammonia + sulfer dioxide.

Combo sounds pretty toxic and 18 pounds in the closed
space most likely will kill ya. Not good your pasta either.

Brian

thanks for the help guys!

PHILCO FORD has come up with a lot more hits when put in the
browser.

George E. Cawthon wrote:

Where do people come up with this crap. Old
electric refrigerators used ammonia and then they
switched to freon. And what does equivalent of
cyanide gas mean? Either they used cyanide or
they didn't. You really think anyone ever put
cyanide in a home product?

Dr. Kevorkian's DIY Euthanasia Kit...?

R

"m Ransley" wrote in message
I wonder if I could get a Chevy to go with my Chevy, good idea Ford
friges park it next to your Ford

GM used to make refrigerators. They owned the original Frigidaire line
before it was sold and went to crap.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

"m Ransley" wrote in message
I wonder if I could get a Chevy to go with my Chevy, good idea Ford
friges park it next to your Ford

GM used to make refrigerators. They owned the original Frigidaire line
before it was sold and went to crap.

I just threw out one of their double oven ranges last year. It said GM
Frigidaire on it. Close to 40 years old.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
Matt wrote:
This is Turtle.


I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making

refrigerators. Your

speaking total history which I don't really know about.



Turtle,

This isn't one of those REALLY old models that used the equivalant of
cyanide gas instead of freon, is it? Seems I recall reading somewhere
that there was a point in time when fridges were killing people if the
thing sprunk a leak.

Matt


Where do people come up with this crap. Old electric refrigerators used
ammonia and then they switched to freon. And what does equivalent of cyanide
gas mean? Either they used cyanide or they didn't. You really think anyone
ever put cyanide in a home product?

This is Turtle.

i don't know what your tring to say here but G/E Corp. in Refrigerators in the
late 1940's or early 1950's or there abouts made refrigerators with SO4 as the
refrigerant in it. My Father worked on them and I was the Kid helper. I do
remember working on one refrigerator on maginolia street where the SO4 charge
was let loose in the kitchen of a customer by accident . A tubing line broke
off and my father and I run for our live to the out doors. We got to re enter
the house in about 2 hours to finish.

The last SO4 refrigerator i seen was about 12 years ago when a fellow brought it
to you to try to fix it. I done away with the SO4 50 pound drum of gas we had
about 15 years ago. We had stainless steel guages and everything we had to work
on them with was stainless steel material or rubber hoses.

I don't remember anybody getting killed with the SO4 refrigerators but Carl
Harmon spent 3 days in the hospital for breathing a vapor he was hit with he
thought you put a regular tap on it for freon and not SO4 type tap. And No it
was not amonia type refigerator for amonia if spilled out. You walk away and no
problem but SO4 if you don't run your dead.

George they did make SO4 refrigerator to use in your home years ago for I've
worked on them. Now as to what the name is for SO4 for refrigerators is , you be
the judge for we called it SO or SO4 .

TURTLE

Brian wrote:
I belive they used ammonia + sulfer dioxide.

Combo sounds pretty toxic and 18 pounds in the closed
space most likely will kill ya. Not good your pasta either.

Brian


All kinds of stuff was used for refrigeration,
including sulfur dioxide and ammonia. Doubt that
they were used together. Many of the fluids were
toxic and probably one of the reasons for the
switch to freon. Of course ammonia is still used
in absorption refrigerators used in many RV's and
industry. Doesn't seem to worry most people.

Combo sounds pretty toxic and 18 pounds in the closed
space most likely will kill ya.


"Too much Mexican food will fill ya
Too much Honky Tonk will killya "

Song: Too Much
Album: Walk the Plank
Pirates of the Mississippi

TURTLE wrote:
"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...

Matt wrote:

This is Turtle.


I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making

refrigerators. Your


speaking total history which I don't really know about.



Turtle,

This isn't one of those REALLY old models that used the equivalant of
cyanide gas instead of freon, is it? Seems I recall reading somewhere
that there was a point in time when fridges were killing people if the
thing sprunk a leak.

Matt


Where do people come up with this crap. Old electric refrigerators used
ammonia and then they switched to freon. And what does equivalent of cyanide
gas mean? Either they used cyanide or they didn't. You really think anyone
ever put cyanide in a home product?


This is Turtle.

i don't know what your tring to say here but G/E Corp. in Refrigerators in the
late 1940's or early 1950's or there abouts made refrigerators with SO4 as the
refrigerant in it. My Father worked on them and I was the Kid helper. I do
remember working on one refrigerator on maginolia street where the SO4 charge
was let loose in the kitchen of a customer by accident . A tubing line broke
off and my father and I run for our live to the out doors. We got to re enter
the house in about 2 hours to finish.

The last SO4 refrigerator i seen was about 12 years ago when a fellow brought it
to you to try to fix it. I done away with the SO4 50 pound drum of gas we had
about 15 years ago. We had stainless steel guages and everything we had to work
on them with was stainless steel material or rubber hoses.

I don't remember anybody getting killed with the SO4 refrigerators but Carl
Harmon spent 3 days in the hospital for breathing a vapor he was hit with he
thought you put a regular tap on it for freon and not SO4 type tap. And No it
was not amonia type refigerator for amonia if spilled out. You walk away and no
problem but SO4 if you don't run your dead.

George they did make SO4 refrigerator to use in your home years ago for I've
worked on them. Now as to what the name is for SO4 for refrigerators is , you be
the judge for we called it SO or SO4 .

TURTLE



I was disputing the use of cyanide. Maybe what I
said wasn't too clear, so I'll say it a little
more forcefully. I suggest that no manufacture
would produce a refrigeration unit for home use
that uses cyanide. It just isn't conceivable that
the public would accept such a product, but all of
the A/C fluids were toxic or flammable before CFC
were introduced. Nonetheless cyanide is
certainly one of the compounds tried experimentally.

Sulfur dioxide along with ammonia, carbon dioxide
and methylene chloride were the main fluids until
cfc and some of these continued in commercial
applications. I'm surprised that any company was
manufacturing new machines for home use using
sulfur dioxide in the early 50's. Based on my
readings, most home appliance used freon at that
time, having taken over from ammonia refrigerators.

My father worked as a refrigerator repairman for
Sears a while before I was born. As near as I can
remember from his stories, everything that he
worked on was ammonia. We even had an old
refrigerator that he had converted from ammonia to
freon sometime around 1940. After a move, it sat
without running for many years but was used
continuously from around 1975 to 1990.

You were lucky, sulfur dioxide (btw it is SO2) is
nasty stuff.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
TURTLE wrote:
"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...

Matt wrote:

This is Turtle.


I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making

refrigerators. Your


speaking total history which I don't really know about.



Turtle,

This isn't one of those REALLY old models that used the equivalant of
cyanide gas instead of freon, is it? Seems I recall reading somewhere
that there was a point in time when fridges were killing people if the
thing sprunk a leak.

Matt


Where do people come up with this crap. Old electric refrigerators used
ammonia and then they switched to freon. And what does equivalent of cyanide
gas mean? Either they used cyanide or they didn't. You really think anyone
ever put cyanide in a home product?


This is Turtle.

i don't know what your tring to say here but G/E Corp. in Refrigerators in
the late 1940's or early 1950's or there abouts made refrigerators with SO4
as the refrigerant in it. My Father worked on them and I was the Kid helper.
I do remember working on one refrigerator on maginolia street where the SO4
charge was let loose in the kitchen of a customer by accident . A tubing
line broke off and my father and I run for our live to the out doors. We got
to re enter the house in about 2 hours to finish.

The last SO4 refrigerator i seen was about 12 years ago when a fellow brought
it to you to try to fix it. I done away with the SO4 50 pound drum of gas we
had about 15 years ago. We had stainless steel guages and everything we had
to work on them with was stainless steel material or rubber hoses.

I don't remember anybody getting killed with the SO4 refrigerators but Carl
Harmon spent 3 days in the hospital for breathing a vapor he was hit with he
thought you put a regular tap on it for freon and not SO4 type tap. And No it
was not amonia type refigerator for amonia if spilled out. You walk away and
no problem but SO4 if you don't run your dead.

George they did make SO4 refrigerator to use in your home years ago for I've
worked on them. Now as to what the name is for SO4 for refrigerators is , you
be the judge for we called it SO or SO4 .

TURTLE

I was disputing the use of cyanide. Maybe what I said wasn't too clear, so
I'll say it a little more forcefully. I suggest that no manufacture would
produce a refrigeration unit for home use that uses cyanide. It just isn't
conceivable that the public would accept such a product, but all of the A/C
fluids were toxic or flammable before CFC were introduced. Nonetheless
cyanide is certainly one of the compounds tried experimentally.

Sulfur dioxide along with ammonia, carbon dioxide and methylene chloride were
the main fluids until cfc and some of these continued in commercial
applications. I'm surprised that any company was manufacturing new machines
for home use using sulfur dioxide in the early 50's. Based on my readings,
most home appliance used freon at that time, having taken over from ammonia
refrigerators.

My father worked as a refrigerator repairman for Sears a while before I was
born. As near as I can remember from his stories, everything that he worked
on was ammonia. We even had an old refrigerator that he had converted from
ammonia to freon sometime around 1940. After a move, it sat without running
for many years but was used continuously from around 1975 to 1990.

You were lucky, sulfur dioxide (btw it is SO2) is nasty stuff.

This is Turtle.

The Refrigerator and freezers during the 1940's and 1950's had these Types of
refrigeriant in them.

R-12
R-22
ammonia
Alcohol Meth.
SO4

These were the experimenting years and all these types was used to see which was
best. G/E Corp. used all these gases in refrigerators and Freezers and yes SO4
type refrigerators went in the residentiual homes during that time.

TURTLE

"Matt" wrote in message
ups.com...
This is Turtle.

I was only speaking of the Ford Philco when they were making
refrigerators. Your
speaking total history which I don't really know about.


Turtle,

This isn't one of those REALLY old models that used the equivalant of
cyanide gas instead of freon, is it? Seems I recall reading somewhere
that there was a point in time when fridges were killing people if the
thing sprunk a leak.

Matt

Ammonia...for starters..
Sulphur Dioxide...how about methyl chloride?
Its how R12 came about. Frigidare corp, (Thomas Midgley Jr) and DuPont in
the 30s came up with good old dichlorodifluoromethane...R12.

What you DO NOT want is the new refrigerant that is possibly going to be
introduced to replace R134a.
R152a....its safe..till your compressor burns out, or you spring a leak and
get near it with any source of combustion..like plugging in something near
it and you get a little spark, or its been leaking and your door switch for
the light arks...
POOF.
Ward Wells, a senior engineer at DuPont says, that in tests it has produced
"very forceful combustion" when ignited.
Here is the complete article:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n1-samuel.html

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

"m Ransley" wrote in message
I wonder if I could get a Chevy to go with my Chevy, good idea Ford
friges park it next to your Ford

GM used to make refrigerators. They owned the original Frigidaire line
before it was sold and went to crap.



Chrysler made tanks of old gas units...
Still service a few....still running strong...no cracks, no reason to
replace em..

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:
I belive they used ammonia + sulfer dioxide.

Combo sounds pretty toxic and 18 pounds in the closed
space most likely will kill ya. Not good your pasta either.

Brian


All kinds of stuff was used for refrigeration,
including sulfur dioxide and ammonia. Doubt that
they were used together. Many of the fluids were
toxic and probably one of the reasons for the
switch to freon. Of course ammonia is still used
in absorption refrigerators used in many RV's and
industry. Doesn't seem to worry most people.

See the prior post about what was used and a basic history..

Now, Arkel Servel is still making resi units that use ammonia. Real popular
in SoCal, and its a bitch when your gas bill in the summer exceeds the
winter months.
BTW...Freon (used to apply to only R12, now any DuPont refrigerant) is toxic
in the sense that when you fail to follow proper brazing practice, you can
make phosgene gas, and by itself, it will displace oxygen and you can
literally suffocate in the stuff.

134a has its own issues...

Propane is a hell of a refrigerant, and was actually used by many a hack to
recharge older R12 units, particulary in automotive. And boy...thats just
what you want up front under your hood....a couple of pounds of propane
under 200PSI...